Running stop sign arrest

[ROCKETMAN]

In the ************* today article about 35 year old arrested for stop sign violation on baily trail near buena vista Only stop signs are are golf cart path. I suspect time of night they suspected dui which it was. During the day everyone rolls through that stop sign by lake miona.

[Mickedamouse24]

:shrug:;)Not only that "stop sign!" but a number of others throughout The Villages! Additionally, is it ok to roll stop signs because everyone does? Apparently, there is a need for the signs other than decorations!!!

[Russ_Boston]

There is a stop sign at the Baily / BV gate house. Lately the gate has been up pending repair. You are supposed to STOP. But most people do roll.


I would have to correct the OP: The person was stopped for the stop sign violation but arrested for DUI presumably.

[tanbcu]

There is a stop sign at the Baily / BV gate house. Lately the gate has been up pending repair. You are supposed to STOP. But most people do roll.


I would have to correct the OP: The person was stopped for the stop sign violation but arrested for DUI presumably.

get rid of all gates and put up stop signs then they will mean something ???

[jim1941]

Why not change all of the Stop signs for golf carts to Yield signs,,,just a thought.

[wholman66]

Another thought would be, why not just stop for all stop signs and red lights, whatever one may be driving or riding!!! I do believe it's the law in most states, including Florida!!!!!

[blueeagle65]

No mercy. STOP means STOP!

[DonH57]

I can't count the number of roll thrus I witness every day I'm in the cart. Not only rolling thru the sign but not even looking to the opposite direction to which they are turning.

[redwitch]

I hate to admit it, but I've run through more than one stop sign here -- something I would never have dreamed of doing previously. Reality is that there are too many stop signs here. Yield signs would be much more appropriate in many instances.

And, yes, I know stop means stop but if I'm on a side street and there is no traffic, slow down makes sense. Stop doesn't.

[sailor47]

Stop signs are only a suggestion...don't ya think!!

[Taltarzac725]

Driving in Rio de Janeiro (http://www.rioholiday.com/Driving-in-Rio-de-Janeiro.htm)


This is quite an amazing description of trying to drive in Rio.

I cannot say that I always stop here in the Villages. For instance, there are numerous stop signs in the parking lots for the banks on CR466. But, if you are there on a Sunday and there are no other vehicles, why stop? If there were a cop watching and I knew it I would stop just because with my luck it might be the only cop who does not use common sense when deciding which traffic laws to enforce.

If there is a lot of traffic or I cannot see what is around the corner, of course, I stop.

[buggyone]

When coming up to a STOP sign in your golf cart - look around carefully.

If you see a police car nearby - by all means, STOP!

[Gator Fan]

Another thought would be, why not just stop for all stop signs and red lights, whatever one may be driving or riding!!! I do believe it's the law in most states, including Florida!!!!!

Exactly. Well said.

[duffysmom]

I think she was arrested for a DUI and ticketed for a vehicle violation as she should be.

[tommy steam]

Very funny how people will interpret the law.

[blueash]

I would have to correct the OP: The person was stopped for the stop sign violation but arrested for DUI presumably.

According to the prohibited village news online site, she was cited both for DUI and failure to yield (which includes running a stop sign)

[rubicon]

Some things, people and rules can and should be disregarded. However following the rules of the road is not one of them.

Stop means all four wheels have come to a complete rest for three seconds. When people disregard stop signs and stop lights they place other people in danger. I was very close to an intersection at 466 when a woman intentionally ran a stop light. The person being discussed on this thread has no regard for other people. and the pain and suffering that can be inflicted on others and their families because of their selfish attitude

This also goes for those individuals who travel the multi-modal path above the 19.9 mph speed limit.

I have faced families who suffered the consequences of bad/intoxicated and selfish drivers and it is not a pretty sight and often brought tears to my eyes

There is virtually no protection on golf carts and so it doesn't take much to cause serious injury or death

[buggyone]

None of us know if the young lady who rolled through the stop sign at midnight sped through without slowing or if she slowed to an almost stop. I doubt that being on the Buena Vista Trail at midnight, there would be traffic to contend with.

She was stopped for the incomplete stop by the officer. He determined she was impaired by alcohol and he arrested her. This was a good arrest and she deserves the penalty.

Hopefully, the officer would have just warned her IF she had not been drinking and had slowed to an almost stop at midnight and she posed no danger to anyone. Speeding through the stop sign would be a different story.

Common sense has to come into play.

[Jim 9922]

Stop signs are only a suggestion...don't ya think!!

Same with turn signals, don't ya think??! But that's another thread.:pepper2:

[TheVillageChicken]

:22yikes:It's an epidemic (http://alturl.com/y7dqh)

[karostay]

Where are all the birds when you need someone to blame

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Running a stop sing or red light is a bit different than what is referred to as a rolling stop.
I see nothing wrong in most case with rolling stops. At most stop sigs here in The Villages, I can see up to a half of a mile in either direction. I going about 4-5 mph. It's really quite ridiculous to come to a complete stop with zero rotation of the wheels for three seconds in most of those cases. In fact the police will not stop or ticket people for doing because they know that they are not causing any danger. Do we really want our police wasting their time stopping and harassing people for not adhering to the letter of the law. They don't want to be wasting their time.
I agree, if people are just flying through stop signs without slowing down and there is other traffic, pedestrians, or cyclists approaching it is a huge problem. But I think that reasonable people can see the difference in two different situations.

[Topspinmo]

Funny thing about STOP signs, your not in line till you STOP. :eclipsee_gold_cup:This especially confusing at FOUR WAY STOPS.:gc: Some Di####D# rolls through and give you dirty look when you are stops which means I AM IN LINE! THEN there are the one's that DON"T use Their Turning signal lights:gc:.. SO now I have to GUESS They are going STRAIGHT, BUT NO wait THEY ARE turning and look at you like you did something wrong......:shrug: Far as I am concerned COPS need to camp out at STOP signs. They would make millions in month for the county and city. From all the D#$sI^^^ running stop signs.:pepper2: AND of course you know you suppose to stop BEHIND the STOP sign not half way out in the street. Now once you STOP for the STOP sign Then that's when you can roll forward in case a bush or tree, or H2o is blocking your view.

[wholman66]

Stop means stop...... Otherwise the sign would say slow roll!! Hey, it's the law, I didn't create it. It's a matter of integrity and honesty and safety....

[perrjojo]

Stop means stop...... Otherwise the sign would say slow roll!! Hey, it's the law, I didn't create it. It's a matter of integrity and honesty and safety....
I like that. Your true integrity is something only you will know and I can't fool myself.

[njbchbum]

Running a stop sing or red light is a bit different than what is referred to as a rolling stop.
I see nothing wrong in most case with rolling stops. At most stop sigs here in The Villages, I can see up to a half of a mile in either direction. I going about 4-5 mph. It's really quite ridiculous to come to a complete stop with zero rotation of the wheels for three seconds in most of those cases. In fact the police will not stop or ticket people for doing because they know that they are not causing any danger. Do we really want our police wasting their time stopping and harassing people for not adhering to the letter of the law. They don't want to be wasting their time.
I agree, if people are just flying through stop signs without slowing down and there is other traffic, pedestrians, or cyclists approaching it is a huge problem. But I think that reasonable people can see the difference in two different situations.

Doc - What you see as not being wrong seems to be in conflict with Florida statutes...I hope you never have to get into that discussion with a guy who has a ticket book in his hand and is asking you for your license, registration and insurance card!

The 2013 Florida Statutes
316.003 Definitions
(51) STOP.�When required, complete cessation from movement.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.003.html)

316.123 Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection.�
(1) The right-of-way at an intersection may be indicated by stop signs or yield signs as authorized in s. 316.006.
(2)(a) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another highway or which is approaching so closely on said highway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=stop+sign&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.123.html)

[Miles42]

Rolling stops are a plague every where. Pretty pathetic when you don't have time to come to a complete stop at a STOP sign.

[Matzy]

I am really happy that I still can identify STOP signs, it doesn't matter how many, I will and I do stop! The same counts for me regarding speed limits. When people passing me or do not stop at the signs I always smile because I feel so sorry for them.
I know that not everybody would like it what I am saying but I know also that there is always a reason that signs posted around us; at least these signs are helping us and everybody to drive/stay safe. How much time could/will I save at the end when driving faster or do not stop?

[Chi-Town]

Not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign used to be called hollywooding. Now Los Angeles has stop sign cameras. Maybe a sign of things to come.

[MikeV]

I was a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Rider Coach. One day I was ticketed while riding my motorcycle for not stopping at a stop sign even though I did what is called a Pause and Go. The cop said he never saw me put my foot down which meant I had not stopped. I went to court and showed my Coaches Manual about what is called a Pause and Go. It is a maneuver on a motorcycle where you stop both wheels for just a fraction of a second without putting your foot down and then go. The ticket was removed from my license. So make sure all your wheels are stopped even for a fraction of second.

[Bay Kid]

Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

[TheVillageChicken]

While stopping when directed to is the smart and safe thing to do, those white posts with the word "STOP" on them are not legal stop signs. Only the red octagonal stop signs are legal for traffic control according to FDOT.

[getdul981]

We live on a corner and there are 2 stop signs. Every day I see people running the stop signs. Most slow down, but some don't. I have even seen people on bicycles just whizzing on through like the sign is not even there.

[DonH57]

Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

I've had a few tailgate me and start yelling because I stopped or I'm not going fast enough on the cart path and they can't pass. I find turning up the radio to drown them out throws them off their game.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Doc - What you see as not being wrong seems to be in conflict with Florida statutes...I hope you never have to get into that discussion with a guy who has a ticket book in his hand and is asking you for your license, registration and insurance card!

The 2013 Florida Statutes
316.003 Definitions
(51) STOP.—When required, complete cessation from movement.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.003.html)

316.123 Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection.—
(1) The right-of-way at an intersection may be indicated by stop signs or yield signs as authorized in s. 316.006.
(2)(a) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another highway or which is approaching so closely on said highway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=stop+sign&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.123.html)

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

Are you saying that people in carts have actually, physically pushed you though a stop sign?

[Lauren Sweeny]

Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

I don't disagree with that.

[graciegirl]

Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

I so agree.

There is nothing on this earth better than a good kindergarten teacher. I am NOT teasing.

Think before you act. Follow the rules. You aren't the ONLY person in this world. For NOW, color in the lines. Learn these things and then create your own values.

[DonH57]

I so agree.

There is nothing on this earth better than a good kindergarten teacher. I am NOT teasing.

Think before you act. Follow the rules. You aren't the ONLY person in this world. For NOW, color in the lines. Learn we rthese things and then create your own values.

I believe some never got the memo. A few minutes ago I observed a lady in a cart pass a mobility scooter that was almost at the crest of the cart bridge going up. No thought what so ever of what may be coming up the other side. I'm willing to bet her car driving is no better.

[njbchbum]

I'm not arguing the letter of the law.
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I get that, Doc. You are simply agruing the necessity to follow it and to enforce it. To each his own. I'll be the one stopped at all red lights and stop signs.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I believe some never got the memo. A few minutes ago I observed a lady in a cart pass a mobility scooter that was almost at the crest of the cart bridge going up. No thought what so ever of what may be coming up the other side. I'm willing to bet her car driving is no better.

My point is that behavior like that is extremely dangerous as opposed to slowly rolling through a stop sing and almost coming to a stop and proceeding when it is clear that there are no cars coming from any direction.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I get that, Doc. You are simply agruing the necessity to follow it and to enforce it. To each his own. I'll be the one stopped at all red lights and stop signs.

And I have no problem with that. Just please don't be telling me that when I slowly roll through a stop sign after I've looked and all four directions and can clearly see that there is no other traffic, that I'm doing something dangerous.

[njbchbum]

And I have no problem with that. Just please don't be telling me that when I slowly roll through a stop sign after I've looked and all four directions and can clearly see that there is no other traffic, that I'm doing something dangerous.

LOL...just in violation of the statute! ;)

[karostay]

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer

[graciegirl]

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer


AND I was only going over the speed limit because my wife has diarrhea.:wave::024: ;)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

LOL...just in violation of the statute! ;)

Yes, technically in violation of the statute. Yes, I violate the letter of the law. But as I said, it would be impossible and unreasonable for LE to enforce every single law to the absolute letter of the law. What they do and what they should do is deal with situations that endanger the lives and safety of the public.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer

Please give me real life examples where people that you know have ben pulled over for exceeding the speed limit by one or two mph or for rolling through a stop sign when there is no other traffic within miles.

If you can name some, I would bet that the people who were pulled over have either been driving erratically or they are "well known to local authorities" and LE was simply looking for an excuse to pull them over. The police don't want to be wasting their time on silly little "technical" violations.

It's the same as a broken tail light or driving with your lights off at night. I've never heard of anyone getting ticketed for it. Police will usually pull you over and tell you to get it fixed, unless they know that you have been a problem in the past and they are looking for an excuse to pull you over and search your car.

[Rags123]

Yes, technically in violation of the statute. Yes, I violate the letter of the law. But as I said, it would be impossible and unreasonable for LE to enforce every single law to the absolute letter of the law. What they do and what they should do is deal with situations that endanger the lives and safety of the public.

Not trying to stir the pot, but as I read this, I am reminded of the few posts I have read on this very board alluding to other laws other than stopping at stop signs criticizing law enforcement for not enforcing the law and being selective in doing so.

I suppose it has to do with the law that WE want to violate or think is anal.

[Rags123]

Please give me real life examples where people that you know have ben pulled over for exceeding the speed limit by one or two mph or for rolling through a stop sign when there is no other traffic within miles.

If you can name some, I would bet that the people who were pulled over have either been driving erratically or they are "well known to local authorities" and LE was simply looking for an excuse to pull them over. The police don't want to be wasting their time on silly little "technical" violations.

Had a roommate once who was pulled over at about 2 AM a number of years ao for running a red light Seems he stopped at the light, saw no other cars anywhere and proceeded. Not driving erratic....just broke the law and he paid for it because he did not see the patrol car.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Not trying to stir the pot, but as I read this, I am reminded of the few posts I have read on this very board alluding to other laws other than stopping at stop signs criticizing law enforcement for not enforcing the law and being selective in doing so.

I suppose it has to do with the law that WE want to violate or think is anal.

I don't know many reasonable people that think that it's prudent or reasonable for police to enforce every single minor violation. Like I said, I think that the line is if you do something that creates a danger or threatens the safety of the general public. The other cases are when police are given orders by a city or town to start clamping down either because there have been some incidents at a certain location or the municipality decides they need to raise some funds.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

[Gator Fan]

I don't know many reasonable people that think that it's prudent or reasonable for police to enforce every single minor violation. Like I said, I think that the line is if you do something that creates a danger or threatens the safety of the general public. The other cases are when police are given orders by a city or town to start clamping down either because there have been some incidents at a certain location or the municipality decides they need to raise some funds.

Wow!

[rubicon]

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Doc: forgive me for intervening but I spent my entire career in insurance and can tell you that just the people who claimed" I rolled through because there was no one around for miles" in the same breath also say he came out of nowhere". Ergo the reason for stop signs and stop lights.

[CFrance]

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

Borrow them from Wildwood. They have 32 police cars. Would only take a month.

[njbchbum]

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

Why hire more police when any law enforcement community can simply run 'target campaigns' such as the 'click it or ticket' campaigns or the DUI checkpoints that are run every weekend/holiday here in NJ?

Some folks actually get the message! Seat belt usage in NJ has been increasing annnually with more than 90% of drivers here being belted in! Those who don't get the message and get stopped get what they deserve.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Doc: forgive me for intervening but I spent my entire career in insurance and can tell you that just the people who claimed" I rolled through because there was no one around for miles" in the same breath also say he came out of nowhere". Ergo the reason for stop signs and stop lights.

First of all, I don't think that we should be lumping stop signs and stop lights together.

Secondly, someone who has been in an accident and did not follow the rules is #1 going to lie about it and #2 deserves what they get. If someone claims to have rolled through a stop sign at a reasonable and collided with another car, they are lying.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why hire more police when any law enforcement community can simply run 'target campaigns' such as the 'click it or ticket' campaigns or the DUI checkpoints that are run every weekend/holiday here in NJ?

Some folks actually get the message! Seat belt usage in NJ has been increasing annnually with more than 90% of drivers here being belted in! Those who don't get the message and get stopped get what they deserve.

Because we're talking about slowly rolling through stop signs and some people think that every violation no matter how minor should be stopped and ticketed. The only way to do this is to have police stationed at every intersection. Otherwise, some people will get away with breaking the law and some won't. Why should some people just be unlucky? That just doesn't seem fair.

[Bosoxfan]

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.
Wow someone with common sense about this situation. Thanks Doc couldn't have said it better!

[wholman66]

I was always taught to obey the law,,, period.. Have I ever broken a traffic law, absolutely, but the total disregard for stop signs and right turns at red lights, is out of control. Probably will never be corrected, gone on way too long. The issue for me is that it puts my life in danger. I walk early in the mornings and have had to dodge cars, golf carts and bikes in broad day light... They don't pay attention to crosswalks either!!!

[DonH57]

I have to admit today I got out of my cart several times and rolled across the stop sign and then got back in and went about my business. Didn't get caught once. Tomorrow may be different!

[CFrance]

I have to admit today I got out of my cart several times and rolled across the stop sign and then got back in and went about my business. Didn't get caught once. Tomorrow may be different!
You may not have gotten caught, but tomorrow you may get run over!:p

[njbchbum]

Because we're talking about slowly rolling through stop signs and some people think that every violation no matter how minor should be stopped and ticketed. The only way to do this is to have police stationed at every intersection. Otherwise, some people will get away with breaking the law and some won't. Why should some people just be unlucky? That just doesn't seem fair.

And just what in life was promised to you to be fair? Some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you - goes for police, too!

[perrjojo]

I was always taught to obey the law,,, period.. Have I ever broken a traffic law, absolutely, but the total disregard for stop signs and right turns at red lights, is out of control. Probably will never be corrected, gone on way too long. The issue for me is that it puts my life in danger. I walk early in the mornings and have had to dodge cars, golf carts and bikes in broad day light... They don't pay attention to crosswalks either!!!

My dear friend was taking her 10 year old son to school. Someone "rolled thru a stop sign" and hit her on the passenger side. Her son was seat belted but by some freak occurrence he hit his head on the side panel of the door. He finally survived after weeks in ICU but still has the mentatilty of a 5 year old ... 25 years later. Probably doesn't happen often but if it happens to you, it is one time too many. STOP means STOP... not if you feel like it...not if you think it is necessary. The stop sign is there for a reason. We don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My dear friend was taking her 10 year old son to school. Someone "rolled thru a stop sign" and hit her on the passenger side. Her son was seat belted but by some freak occurrence he hit his head on the side panel of the door. He finally survived after weeks in ICU but still has the mentatilty of a 5 year old ... 25 years later. Probably doesn't happen often but if it happens to you, it is one time too many. STOP means STOP... not if you feel like it...not if you think it is necessary. The stop sign is there for a reason. We don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

I'm sorry for your friend's experience. But do you honestly think a person "rolled through" a stop sign at 3-4 mph and caused this kind of damage? It sounds more like someone that just ran the stop sign without slowing down. Again what I'm talking about is slowing down almost to a stop at intersections where I can clearly see in all directions in low traffic areas.

[wholman66]

My friends, there in lies the problem!!!! I rest my case..

[Miles42]

Although correct we all drive a little over the speed limit, fail to come to a complete stop etc occasionally. The point being we should not whine complain etc about being picked on when called on it and given a ticket.

[helen lovely]

Nothing wrong with the stop signs. It's the people that run them that need to be fixed, adjusted, removed or whatever.

[zonerboy]

I have seen persons who come to a complete stop at a stop sign, the drive directly into the path of a vehicle entering the intersection at right angles which did not have a stop sign.
Accidents are mainly caused by people who are not paying attention, whether or not they are following the letter of the law.

[buggyone]

I have seen persons who come to a complete stop at a stop sign, the drive directly into the path of a vehicle entering the intersection at right angles which did not have a stop sign.
Accidents are mainly caused by people who are not paying attention, whether or not they are following the letter of the law.


You sure got that right!

[CFrance]

I have seen persons who come to a complete stop at a stop sign, the drive directly into the path of a vehicle entering the intersection at right angles which did not have a stop sign.
Accidents are mainly caused by people who are not paying attention, whether or not they are following the letter of the law.
If they hadn't stopped first, it would have been worse.

[karostay]

The law is the law period bend it twist it's the law

[Barefoot]

The only way to do this is to have police stationed at every intersection. Otherwise, some people will get away with breaking the law and some won't. Why should some people just be unlucky? That just doesn't seem fair.

I don't understand your logic.
We don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey based on whether we personally think the law is fair.

[DonH57]

Most of the stories I've read starting out with a cart operator and a initial traffic offense turning into a DUI is a basic failure of thinking. Driving a golf cart around TV is hard enough to do defensively.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't understand your logic.
We don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey based on whether we personally think the law is fair.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek or ironic.

[Barefoot]

I was being a bit tongue in cheek or ironic.

Fair enough.
Was it also irony when you stated that you violate the letter of the law? :confused:

[DonH57]

I believe we have all had many times where we wished, " Where is a police officer to see what this jackass just did"? Sure enough if by the slightest by chance there will be day the officer happens to look up from his computer monitor among other distracting factors in his cruiser when you stopped within seconds ago and think " He didn't stop for that sign". You cannot tell me that can't happen.

[VT2TV]

Look at all the different opinions on here on just this 1 subject. Everyone has different opinions. I personally stop at stop signs, and I think you are wrong if you don't. But what you think, or what I think doesn't really matter. Right now, it is the law, and the reason we have laws is to protect us. If you don't like the law, then work to change it legally--not just interept it anyway you chose. Until the law is changed, you are wrong if you do not stop at the stop signs--you, me or whoever. You can try to rationalize it , but it doesn't make you right. Change the law or obey it, or at the very least-don't try to justify it when you don't obey it

[karostay]

I don't understand your logic.
We don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey based on whether we personally think the law is fair.

:bigbow::bigbow:

[graciegirl]

I have told this before. I still can't get over it.

I was stopped waiting to cross the street in my golf cart when someone in a golf cart came up behind me and went around me. When I mentioned before that I noticed he was a Yankee fan by an emblem on his golf cart someone took offense. No offense meant.:)

[TraceyMooreRN]

Last night about 730 pm there was a deputy sitting near the maintenance entrance to Turtle Mound, watching golf cart trail stop sign area near putting range. I think it is great. If you break the law and you get caught--your own fault. Not lucky or unlucky. IMHO

[perrjojo]

I don't understand your logic.
We don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey based on whether we personally think the law is fair.

I agree. Maybe we should design new stop signs that say:
STOP
IF YOU WANT TO. :a20:

[CFrance]

First of all, I don't think that we should be lumping stop signs and stop lights together.

Secondly, someone who has been in an accident and did not follow the rules is #1 going to lie about it and #2 deserves what they get. If someone claims to have rolled through a stop sign at a reasonable and collided with another car, they are lying.
And you can prove this?
I think the jury is against your rolling through stop signs.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Last night about 730 pm there was a deputy sitting near the maintenance entrance to Turtle Mound, watching golf cart trail stop sign area near putting range. I think it is great. If you break the law and you get caught--your own fault. Not lucky or unlucky. IMHO

So if someone does a slow roll through as stop sign and there are no police in the area are they not lucky?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

And you can prove this?
I think the jury is against your rolling through stop signs.

No, I can't prove it and we are not in a court of law.

Yes, juries might be against a rolling stop in a specific case. I would think that that might depend on the jury's own driving habits.

But, we keep going back and forth on this thread between what is safe and what is the law. I agree 100% that the letter of the law says that we must come to a complete stop at every stop sign. I don't agree that there is anything dangerous about a very slow rolling stop in many cases. There are situations, by the way, where I do come to a full stop. If I don't have a clear view as I am approaching the intersection or if I'm in a busy traffic area I will come to a complete stop.
I live in a neighborhood where there is very, very little traffic, 20 mph speed limits, houses that are set well back from the intersections, with little or in most cases, nothing to obstruct your view, and a lot of stop signs. By the time I'm approaching the intersection, I have slowed down to under 10 mph. In most cases, I can see 1/4 to 1/2 mile up and down the street that I am about to cross or turn on to. I don't have to come to a complete stop to see that it is perfectly safe. I honestly believe that I'm not doing anything dangerous and I think that if any of you were in the cart, golf cart or bicycle with me you'd agree.
But I can see that we different opinions on this and we're never going to agree so this thread should really come to an end.

[CFrance]

I wasn't trying to be a smarta** By "jury," I meant the general opinion of the forum on this topic. I agree with you, there will be no consensus.

[Keysers]

I have almost been hit a couple of times both driving and walking at the corner by City Fire at Lake Sumter Landing. I am shocked at how many car and cart drivers barely even slow down, mush less stop, at the flashing red light whether it is their turn to proceed or not.

[karostay]

Last night about 730 pm there was a deputy sitting near the maintenance entrance to Turtle Mound, watching golf cart trail stop sign area near putting range. I think it is great. If you break the law and you get caught--your own fault. Not lucky or unlucky. IMHO
I may be wrong.I recall it happening one other time:)
The sheriff's dept can't enforce any violations there it's private property not county, municipal or state property

[Barefoot]

.... I agree 100% that the letter of the law says that we must come to a complete stop at every stop sign. I don't agree that there is anything dangerous about a very slow rolling stop in many cases. ...But I can see that we different opinions on this and we're never going to agree.

Yup, I think you're right.
There are people who follow the law.
And there are people who break laws according to personal preference.
And never the twain shall meet.

[BobnBev]

Perhaps someone should map out the stop signs where there is an unobstructed view, and petition the appropriate authority to change the stop signs to "YIELD" signs. Before you suggest that I do it----I'm not in TV right now.:ho:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Yup, I think you're right.
There are people who follow the law.
And there are people who break laws according to personal preference.
And never the twain shall meet.

I don't think that I'd like to live in a world that's as black and white as that.

[CFrance]

One has to pick one's blacks and whites. Hopefully they're all legal.

[perrjojo]

I don't think that I'd like to live in a world that's as black and white as that.
Wow! Things can become VERY complicated when the law becomes subjective.

[perrjojo]

Look at all the different opinions on here on just this 1 subject. Everyone has different opinions. I personally stop at stop signs, and I think you are wrong if you don't. But what you think, or what I think doesn't really matter. Right now, it is the law, and the reason we have laws is to protect us. If you don't like the law, then work to change it legally--not just interept it anyway you chose. Until the law is changed, you are wrong if you do not stop at the stop signs--you, me or whoever. You can try to rationalize it , but it doesn't make you right. Change the law or obey it, or at the very least-don't try to justify it when you don't obey it:

::bigbow:: I think we all sometimes do rolling stops , exceed the speed limit, etc..... but here is the point... When we do these things ( no matter our logic or reasoning) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law. A police officer is not there to judge whether what you did might have worked out ok due to circumstances. The officer can only judge if what you did was within or without the perimeters of the law. It is not really a subjective call for that officer.

[Average Guy]

:

::bigbow:: I think we all sometimes do rolling stops , exceed the speed limit, etc..... but here is the point... When we do these things ( no matter our logic or reasoning) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law. A police officer is not there to judge whether what you did might have worked out ok due to circumstances. The officer can only judge if what you did was within or without the perimeters of the law. It is not really a subjective call for that officer.

Police officers make subjective calls when it comes to speeding.

Would you still have the attitude you stated in your post "IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law" if you got a ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Visa Blvd?

Or how about if you went 21 mph in a roundabout?

What about if you got that ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Vista while other cars were passing you and they did not get stopped by the police? After all, you did break the law.

If your auto insurance premium goes up as a result of that speeding ticket, would you be OK with that also since, after all, you did commit a crime?

[perrjojo]

Police officers make subjective calls when it comes to speeding.

Would you still have the attitude you stated in your post "IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law" if you got a ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Visa Blvd?

Or how about if you went 21 mph in a roundabout?

What about if you got that ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Vista while other cars were passing you and they did not get stopped by the police? After all, you did break the law.

If your auto insurance premium goes up as a result of that speeding ticket, would you be OK with that also since, after all, you did commit a crime?
Yes, if I got caught doing those things I would pay without complaint because it was wrong. Have I done all of the above..of course. As your mother told you, just because Johnny jumped off the roof, would you? I am constantly passed on 466 while doing 50 mph. Yes, I know the speed limit is 45 but if I get stopped, I am guilty of exceeding the speed limit.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

:

::bigbow:: I think we all sometimes do rolling stops , exceed the speed limit, etc..... but here is the point... When we do these things ( no matter our logic or reasoning) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law. A police officer is not there to judge whether what you did might have worked out ok due to circumstances. The officer can only judge if what you did was within or without the perimeters of the law. It is not really a subjective call for that officer.

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

[DonH57]

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

Being polite to an officer and not having priors pretty much always pays off. I spent many years in Massachusetts and drove a company owned truck. Only contact I had with the troopers were usually pleasant and sometimes funny.

[karostay]

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.
Humm You seem to have a history of being pulled over

[perrjojo]

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

So if you get stopped but don't get a ticket, that officer is using good judgement? If you get a ticket it was NOT a reasonable judgement call? I'm not saying officers do not or should not make judgement calls. I am saying that when you get the ticket, you should not question their judgement because you did break the law.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Humm You seem to have a history of being pulled over

I'm 63 years old. I've been driving since I was 16 and have been pulled over about 6 or 7 times in my life.
Yea, that's quite a history.

[karostay]

I'm 63 years old. I've been driving since I was 16 and have been pulled over about 6 or 7 times in my life.
Yea, that's quite a history.
Shouldn't have you learned after the first time

[Taltarzac725]

I'm 63 years old. I've been driving since I was 16 and have been pulled over about 6 or 7 times in my life.
Yea, that's quite a history.

I seem to remember 2 speeding tickets for me. Much of Nevada did not have speed limits when I was doing a lot of driving in that state. Lots of other places I have been I did not drive all that much preferring to use mass transit like with the SF Bay area and the Twin Cities.

[CFrance]

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.


From Mass. Law Updates, May 23, 2011 Massachusetts Law Updates: Can the second and third cars in line proceed through a stop sign? (http://masslawlib.blogspot.com/2011/05/can-second-and-third-cars-in-line.html)

This is one of the most common questions we get. People who learned to drive in Massachusetts some years ago were taught that it was OK, and don't quite believe that the law (MGL c.89, s.9) says otherwise. Happily, the Boston Globe printed a column this weekend, Some old habits aren�t right, or safe, anymore, that spells it out and quotes the experts. So, although it may have been the law "in the 1960s and early 1970s," now every car must stop when they are "at the point nearest the intersecting roadway."

[Taltarzac725]

From Mass. Law Updates, May 23, 2011 Massachusetts Law Updates: Can the second and third cars in line proceed through a stop sign? (http://masslawlib.blogspot.com/2011/05/can-second-and-third-cars-in-line.html)

This is one of the most common questions we get. People who learned to drive in Massachusetts some years ago were taught that it was OK, and don't quite believe that the law (MGL c.89, s.9) says otherwise. Happily, the Boston Globe printed a column this weekend, Some old habits aren’t right, or safe, anymore, that spells it out and quotes the experts. So, although it may have been the law "in the 1960s and early 1970s," now every car must stop when they are "at the point nearest the intersecting roadway."

Near the Belvedere Library quite recently as I was going towards CR466 I counted 4 golf carts that either stopped very fast or did not stop at all as I was moving slowly toward them. Three just pedaled right on through without stopping. Cars do these frequently coming off of Churchill Downs towards the Library usually forcing me to brake for them.

[graciegirl]

From Mass. Law Updates, May 23, 2011 Massachusetts Law Updates: Can the second and third cars in line proceed through a stop sign? (http://masslawlib.blogspot.com/2011/05/can-second-and-third-cars-in-line.html)

This is one of the most common questions we get. People who learned to drive in Massachusetts some years ago were taught that it was OK, and don't quite believe that the law (MGL c.89, s.9) says otherwise. Happily, the Boston Globe printed a column this weekend, Some old habits aren’t right, or safe, anymore, that spells it out and quotes the experts. So, although it may have been the law "in the 1960s and early 1970s," now every car must stop when they are "at the point nearest the intersecting roadway."


Ah HAH. This explains a lot. In Ohio there is NO fudging but I recall getting into sort of a heated discussion with RussBoston on this forum years ago, the only disagreement I ever had with him and it was about Stop Signs.

Jim..Dr. Boogie is to me the epitome of a law follower. Letter of the law follower, so I kept reading this somewhat puzzled. Thank you CFrance. How very interesting. How did you know to look???

In Ohio, stopping for less than three seconds is called a "curtsy".

[CFrance]

Vindicated! Note it says it was legal back in the '60s and early '70s, but not since then.

[redwitch]

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

[Rags123]

Over 100 posts discussing with one person whether he/she should obey the law as written. Says a lot about this country, in my opinion.

I do not think, even in the age of all these "rights", that we have the "right" to pick and choose what laws we think we should obey.

[graciegirl]

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?


I HONESTLY and with great respect and affection to YOU, try very hard not too and don't think I do. I am a first born and I am for the rules. They protect the folks without good common sense. Don't have a high horse or a low horse. Don't feel superior, just puzzled that people don't stop at stop signs. (and I swear at them under my breath)

[Rags123]

I HONESTLY and with great respect and affection to YOU, can't think of any. I used to drive a few miles above the speed limit. Now Sweetie drives on major trips and I don't check. He is a very good driver. I am a first born and I am for the rules. They protect the folks without good common sense. Don't have a high horse or a low horse. Don't feel superior, just puzzled that people don't stop at stop signs. (and I swear at them under my breath)

I can honestly say in my 75 years, I know of nobody who only follows laws that THEY feel are warranted. THAT is quite scary. I dislike a lot of laws, but we are a country of LAWS and NOT MEN.

[CFrance]

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?
I disagree about yield signs replacing stop signs. Look at how many people disregard yield signs at the roundabouts. the people who roll through stop signs would be bounding through yield signs. Me First/I Can Beat You Out kind of attitude.

[perrjojo]

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

I don't think anyone has said they do not ever break laws or rules. I know what my point is and that is....yes, we all occasionally break laws. However, if we get a ticket we can't complain because you knew that risk was involved when you did it.

[DonH57]

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

Nobody's perfect. LOL It's been my experience in life dealing with most other people and I never thought of it before but as a fictional television character says, "Everybody lies". It took me a few years to realize this.:laugh:

[Rags123]

Nobody's perfect. LOL It's been my experience in life dealing with most other people and I never thought of it before but as a fictional television character says, "Everybody lies". It took me a few years to realize this.:laugh:

From my perspective, I saw no one on this thread claiming perfection or sainthood.

I saw a lot of posts trying to justify continually violating laws that they do not happen to agree with.

A BIG BIG difference between the two in my opinion. Of course we all err, but we do not all proclaim to know better than whatever law being discussed.

Saying you do not stop, because YOU do not think it necessary...or to say YOU speed because in YOUR opinion that is fine is a lot different from making a mistake.

[Barefoot]

From my perspective, I saw no one on this thread claiming perfection or sainthood. I saw a lot of posts trying to justify continually violating laws that they do not happen to agree with. A BIG BIG difference between the two in my opinion. Of course we all err, but we do not all proclaim to know better than whatever law being discussed.

Saying you do not stop, because YOU do not think it necessary...or to say YOU speed because in YOUR opinion that is fine is a lot different from making a mistake.

I do not think, even in the age of all these "rights", that we have the "right" to pick and choose what laws we think we should obey.

Good post Rags. :agree:

[memason]

I would have to assume these "letter of the law" followers are the same folks with their cruise control set at the exact speed limit and cruising in the left lane on the turnpike... taking 20 miles to pass a truck. After all, we'd all be breaking a law to pass them, right?

We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with rolling through stop signs in a neighborhood, where there is almost no traffic. In my neighborhood, less than 10% of the people "completely" stop for the stop sign, when there is no traffic.

Boogie....I'm with you; no harm, no foul

[Rags123]

I would have to assume these "letter of the law" followers are the same folks with their cruise control set at the exact speed limit and cruising in the left lane on the turnpike... taking 20 miles to pass a truck. After all, we'd all be breaking a law to pass them, right?

We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with rolling through stop signs in a neighborhood, where there is almost no traffic. In my neighborhood, less than 10% of the people "completely" stop for the stop sign, when there is no traffic.

Boogie....I'm with you; no harm, no foul

"We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions."

This, to me, is the reason for just about ALL laws !!!

And " no harm, no foul" UNTIL something happens and that "foul" if serious enough will generate all the "why dont they enforce the law" talk.

Why we cannot accept that laws are there FOR us.......and if everyone felt they should make the decision what law to follow, we got problems.

[red tail]

I would have to assume these "letter of the law" followers are the same folks with their cruise control set at the exact speed limit and cruising in the left lane on the turnpike... taking 20 miles to pass a truck. After all, we'd all be breaking a law to pass them, right?

We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with rolling through stop signs in a neighborhood, where there is almost no traffic. In my neighborhood, less than 10% of the people "completely" stop for the stop sign, when there is no traffic.

Boogie....I'm with you; no harm, no foul

at last a poster that makes sense !!!!! im with you memason !!

[DonH57]

Sainthood not so much but I read of post of those who believe police officers never make mistakes or randomly select from a pack of cars for a speeding ticket on a busy interstate. They do it time to time because they are humans too. They make mistakes too. Believing this is a fair and balanced world is like believing in the Easter bunny. I've been pulled over a time or two so I guess that makes me a bad person. I can live with that. It doesn 't bother my conscience. Ego maybe.

[ROCKETMAN]

My real n tis post was not so much about rolling through stop signs but when you have a regular red stop ign on the cart path, can you get a ticket for going through it. My friend always goes through the one when you get across the bridge going on to morris across 466. One time cop was right next to him and rolled down window and ask him why he didn't stop. He replied no cars coming and i don't have to. cop just shook his head. In the article i thought it stated woman was in golkf cart stopped for going through stop sign on baily near buena vista. Onlt red stop sign is cart path acroos from lake miona rec. center

[DonH57]

My real n tis post was not so much about rolling through stop signs buot when you have a regular red stop ign on the cart path, can you get a ticket for going through it. My friend always goes through the one when you get across the bridge going on to morris across 466. One time cop was right next to him and rolled down window and ask him why he didn't stop. He replied no cars coming and i don't have to. cop just shook his head. In the article i thought it stated woman was in golkf cart stopped for going through stop sign on baily near buena vista. Onlt red stop sign is cart path acroos from lake miona rec. center

My guess is the woman's driving behavior just before running the stop sign may have made the officer suspect she may be intoxicated therefore stopping her. That's my best guess.

[CFrance]

My real n tis post was not so much about rolling through stop signs but when you have a regular red stop ign on the cart path, can you get a ticket for going through it. My friend always goes through the one when you get across the bridge going on to morris across 466. One time cop was right next to him and rolled down window and ask him why he didn't stop. He replied no cars coming and i don't have to. cop just shook his head. In the article i thought it stated woman was in golkf cart stopped for going through stop sign on baily near buena vista. Onlt red stop sign is cart path acroos from lake miona rec. center

And right in front of a cop. The arrogance of some of these old f*** drivers is beyond belief.

[rhood]

I don't understand why this topic warrants 13 pages of posts. Just a total waste of bandwidth.

[TheVillageChicken]

I don't understand why this topic warrants 13 pages of posts. Just a total waste of bandwidth.

And yet, you breath new life into it.

[Russ_Boston]

I don't understand why this topic warrants 13 pages of posts. Just a total waste of bandwidth.



That's why I set my posts per page to 40 Only 3 pages for me.


BTW (to all that pertain): It's MORSE not Morris. That goes for spelling and pronunciation:)

[CFrance]

That's why I set my posts per page to 40 Only 3 pages for me.


BTW (to all that pertain): It's MORSE not Morris. That goes for spelling and pronunciation:)
I do believe that misspelling was intentional--subtle humor.

[tommy steam]

I guess one time or other we have all rolled thru a stop sign or went over the posted speed limit. We know what we are doing, so if a cop catches you ,take your ticket and don't cry about it.

[perrjojo]

I guess one time or other we have all rolled thru a stop sign or went over the posted speed limit. We know what we are doing, so if a cop catches you ,take your ticket and don't cry about it.
Thank you...someone finally gets it. :pepper2:

[VT2TV]

The opinions expressed on this thread is the very reason we need laws in this country, no one can agree on what is right. Maybe I had a sheltered up-bringing, but when I was growing up, I was taught that you respected and obeyed the laws, and you respected the police. I am not saying anyone here has disrespected the police. The police are given the right to make judgement calls when the situation requires it --because everything is not "black and white". And I am sure that many people on here, including me, have gone a few miles over the speed limit. But that doesn't mean that it is up to every individual to determine what is right and wrong. If you break the law, it is wrong, and if caught then you may have to pay the piper. WE cannot even agree on here whether it's ok to roll through a stop sign--that is why we have laws. That is my whole point on here---if you break the law, you are wrong. Period. You cannot justify it, and you cannot change it by doing whatever you want. You can try to change the laws in the court system, or you can just keep breaking the law.

[karostay]

That's why I set my posts per page to 40 Only 3 pages for me.


BTW (to all that pertain): It's MORSE not Morris. That goes for spelling and pronunciation:) perhaps it was a case of Re-Morse :icon_bored:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The opinions expressed on this thread is the very reason we need laws in this country, no one can agree on what is right. Maybe I had a sheltered up-bringing, but when I was growing up, I was taught that you respected and obeyed the laws, and you respected the police. I am not saying anyone here has disrespected the police. The police are given the right to make judgement calls when the situation requires it --because everything is not "black and white". And I am sure that many people on here, including me, have gone a few miles over the speed limit. But that doesn't mean that it is up to every individual to determine what is right and wrong. If you break the law, it is wrong, and if caught then you may have to pay the piper. WE cannot even agree on here whether it's ok to roll through a stop sign--that is why we have laws. That is my whole point on here---if you break the law, you are wrong. Period. You cannot justify it, and you cannot change it by doing whatever you want. You can try to change the laws in the court system, or you can just keep breaking the law.

I agree with this.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My guess is the woman's driving behavior just before running the stop sign may have made the officer suspect she may be intoxicated therefore stopping her. That's my best guess.

Sure, unless she totally just blew through the stop sign in an unsafe manner, he probably wouldn't have bothered. We weren't there so we really don;t know what happened.

[DonH57]

Sure, unless she totally just blew through the stop sign in an unsafe manner, he probably wouldn't have bothered. We weren't there so we really don;t know what happened.


True. Hard to tell.

[graciegirl]

True. Hard to tell.

I say it was her age. She is a KID. The trouble here is that we used to think people should act responsibly and independently at about 18. We,as a society, stopped feeding them and sheltering them (but not loving them) at about that age in the old days.

[e-flyer]

The sheriff's dept can't enforce any violations where it's private property not county, municipal or state property.

I'm not sure this is true. I read in the newspaper that they ticketed a person that had an accident in a store parking lot. Even DUI's being given in parking lots. Evidently, they do have the authority to do so in Florida.

[The Mountaineer]

No mercy. STOP means STOP!

I grew up in Monongah, near Fairmont. We live in Tallmadge, Ohio and are coming down January-March 2015 (rental on Rainbow Drive). Would like to meet an talk with fellow Mountaineers, maybe play golf. Interested?

[DonH57]

Not to long ago there was a accident involving two golf carts on the turtle mound cart path. One driver was cited for DUI by sumter county. It's my understanding if you are on a cart path and a deputy observes erratic operation of a cart he may investigate in the interest of public safety. Not good wording on my part as I'm not that good trying to explain legal stuff.