View Full Version : Historic Side Neighborhood revitalization Confirmed
njbchbum
07-02-2014, 08:53 PM
My review of recent property sales shows:
918 Cindy Drive
723 Sharon Drive
1112 Dustin Drive
1717 Myrtle Beach Drive
All properties now owned by Villages of Lake Sumter Inc
dirtbanker
07-02-2014, 09:12 PM
Good job! They were all closed on 6 -11 and sale price averaged 100K...which is just under 3 times the suggested lot value (of 39K by some residents in that neighborhood). Interested to see what happens to the other 13 - 14 for sale over there.
PR1234
07-02-2014, 09:29 PM
LOL, I told you they were;-) I am pretty sure there is one on Royal Palm that was sold to them too. I'm really interested to see what TV puts up, wondering if they will have garages which would be nice:girlneener:
njbchbum
07-02-2014, 09:43 PM
LOL, I told you they were;-) I am pretty sure there is one on Royal Palm that was sold to them too. I'm really interested to see what TV puts up, wondering if they will have garages which would be nice:girlneener:
Found one on Royal Palm that went to a bank.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-02-2014, 09:43 PM
My review of recent property sales shows:
918 Cindy Drive
723 Sharon Drive
112 Dustin Drive
1717 Myrtle Beach Drive
All properties now owned by Villages of Lake Sumter Inc
I assume that you mean 1121 Dustin Drive. That was the house that was sold by absolute auction. If anyone paid anywhere near $100,000 for that house they're out of their minds. It wouldn't have been worth that in excellent shape.
And I think that 729 Sharon had been abandoned. I believe that 723 is occupied and in fine shape.
kansasr
07-02-2014, 09:47 PM
According to the Lake County property appraiser, they've bought 12 this year:
723 SHARON DR
1717 MYRTLE BEACH DR
918 CINDY DR
1015 SHAY BLVD
717 JASON DR
1112 DUSTIN DR
621 JENNIFER DR
440 TARRSON BLVD
1013 PARKER PL
1709 WEST SCHWARTZ BLVD
824 CAMELIA CT
1862 WEST SCHWARTZ BLVD
njbchbum
07-02-2014, 09:56 PM
I assume that you mean 1121 Dustin Drive. That was the house that was sold by absolute auction. If anyone paid anywhere near $100,000 for that house they're out of their minds. It wouldn't have been worth that in excellent shape.
And I think that 729 Sharon had been abandoned. I believe that 723 is occupied and in fine shape.
Assumed wrong. But am sorry for the typo - should be 1112 Dustin Dr.
Sharon Dr house # IS 723 and was not a typo.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-02-2014, 10:12 PM
Assumed wrong. But am sorry for the typo - should be 1112 Dustin Dr.
Sharon Dr house # IS 723 and was not a typo.
Well, those two homes are not old abandoned dilapidated units. They must be buying decent homes that are up for sale.
TVMayor
07-02-2014, 10:24 PM
According to the Lake County property appraiser, they've bought 12 this year:
723 SHARON DR
1717 MYRTLE BEACH DR
918 CINDY DR
1015 SHAY BLVD
717 JASON DR
1112 DUSTIN DR
621 JENNIFER DR
440 TARRSON BLVD
1013 PARKER PL
1709 WEST SCHWARTZ BLVD
824 CAMELIA CT
1862 WEST SCHWARTZ BLVD
Not one of these properties has had a building permit issued to it in the last 12 months.
Allegiance
07-02-2014, 10:46 PM
The rumor I heard was the developer will put them back on the market at an inflated price to drive up sales of new homes in the new sections.
njbchbum
07-02-2014, 10:47 PM
Not one of these properties has had a building permit issued to it in the last 12 months.
It's not expected that the revitalization project will begin until after the villages of fruitland park has been completed.
Halibut
07-02-2014, 10:59 PM
Not one of these properties has had a building permit issued to it in the last 12 months.
Do you know if one would one be required to put in a new manufactured home?
OldManTime
07-03-2014, 06:25 AM
I bet as soon as Fruitland Park is finished, all the crews will be ready to tear down these homes, and build bigger and better homes, and thats great for property values!
dirtbanker
07-03-2014, 06:28 AM
The rumor I heard was the developer will put them back on the market at an inflated price to drive up sales of new homes in the new sections.
I am sure the other people that have homes for sale in that neighborhood would love to see the prices inflated, but those older homes are not comparable to the new homes (style, size, amenities, materials, etc.).
Please elaborate on how inflating the price on these 11 older homes would drive up sales of the 100s of newer homes.
john2
07-03-2014, 06:43 AM
1112 Dustin is a nice home in good condition and was not auction! The villages has been buying up property and from what I understand will be putting up "affordable housing". dont know what that means.
TVMayor
07-03-2014, 06:52 AM
Do you know if one would one be required to put in a new manufactured home?
Yes
CFrance
07-03-2014, 07:02 AM
Yes
Why? Individuals have bought there, torn down manufactured homes, and put up stick-built homes. It was stated last year on the forum that you could put up any kind of house you wanted, and you weren't restricted to using TV's builders. As in the oversized house that doesn't fit the neighborhood.
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 07:03 AM
Well, those two homes are not old abandoned dilapidated units. They must be buying decent homes that are up for sale.
Apparently the criteria to purchase was the price, not condition. By buying these homes that were listed for less than $100k and rebuilding on the lots it will certainly bring good things to the lovely area.
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 07:08 AM
It's not expected that the revitalization project will begin until after the villages of fruitland park has been completed.
But on the plus side, it will keep all of those hardworking and efficient crews working for some time. They do such a terrific job.
CFrance
07-03-2014, 08:02 AM
It just goes to show that many rumors around here have basis in fact.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-03-2014, 08:17 AM
Why? Individuals have bought there, torn down manufactured homes, and put up stick-built homes. It was stated last year on the forum that you could put up any kind of house you wanted, and you weren't restricted to using TV's builders. As in the oversized house that doesn't fit the neighborhood.
What does that have to do with a building permit? A building permit is required to do most work on a house including a total rebuild.
Most of the site built homes here fit the neighborhoods fine. The lots are mostly 60' X 90' so the size of the house is a bit restricted. You might be surprised as you drive around here to find that in some cases it's difficult to the the difference between a site built home and a newer manufactured home.
perrjojo
07-03-2014, 08:32 AM
It just goes to show that many rumors around here have basis in fact.
I too, had heard that "rumor" from someone who had a basis to know. I could barley wait to say. Nah..nah ...told you so. Yes, this is said in a joking fashion. Doubters don't get mad. :a040:
dirtbanker
07-03-2014, 08:38 AM
I too, had heard that "rumor" from someone who had a basis to know. I could barley wait to say. Nah..nah ...told you so. Yes, this is said in a joking fashion. Doubters don't get mad. :a040:
Well, I knew it was going to happen before the developer had even decided to do it! And, my mom can drive better than yours :1rotfl:
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 08:41 AM
Well, I knew it was going to happen before the developer had even decided to do it! And, my mom can drive better than yours :1rotfl:
My mom's combat boots are prettier than your moms.:boxing2:
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
All kidding aside. I think it is very good news. I love watching what happens here all of the time.
Villageshooter
07-03-2014, 09:37 AM
But on the plus side, it will keep all of those hardworking and efficient crews working for some time. They do such a terrific job.
absolute nothing could be farther from the truth! the homes here are built all for show, with zero craftsmanship! i go to open houses the huge glaring shoddy workmanship is glaring if you know what ur looking for. look in showers the separation gap in the panels breeds mold an bacteria, walk around some homes an look at the slab, some are crumbling. (but they sure are pretty inside jammed full of outrageously overpriced poorly made furniture!)
Bogie Shooter
07-03-2014, 09:59 AM
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graciegirl
07-03-2014, 10:01 AM
absolute nothing could be farther from the truth! the homes here are built all for show, with zero craftsmanship! i go to open houses the huge glaring shoddy workmanship is glaring if you know what ur looking for. look in showers the separation gap in the panels breeds mold an bacteria, walk around some homes an look at the slab, some are crumbling. (but they sure are pretty inside jammed full of outrageously overpriced poorly made furniture!)
My mom's combat boots are prettier than your mom's combat boots.;)
perrjojo
07-03-2014, 11:13 AM
My mom's combat boots are prettier than your mom's combat boots.;)
My mom's combat boots are prettier than your moms.:boxing2:
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
All kidding aside. I think it is very good news. I love watching what happens here all of the time.
I love when we can laugh at ourselves!
perrjojo
07-03-2014, 11:15 AM
My mom's combat boots are prettier than your mom's combat boots.;)
Well, I knew it was going to happen before the developer had even decided to do it! And, my mom can drive better than yours :1rotfl:
I love it when we can laugh at ourselves!
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 12:47 PM
The rest of us who enjoy our well built homes will be so happy to see the historic area invigorated with new homes.
It is only going to be nicer.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-03-2014, 01:53 PM
The rest of us who enjoy our well built homes will be so happy to see the historic area invigorated with new homes.
It is only going to be nicer.
I think that the process of newer homes replacing older ones has been in place, naturally, for many years. If the developer is buying some homes and intends to replace them with nicer ones, he's only speeding up the process.
My only question is, If he is paying $100,000 for homes that he intends to tear down and replace, why would he go after the homes that have been abandoned that he can buy for $39,000? If he's paying $100,000 for just the lot how much is the house that he puts on it going to be worth?
I know several people that can afford to live on the other side of 27/441 but like it over here. But I don;t know how many people are going to be willing to spend $250,000-$300,000 to live over here.
golf2140
07-03-2014, 01:57 PM
The last I heard was that the Morse family is buying them for their grand-children !!!!
bkcunningham1
07-03-2014, 02:31 PM
Ohhh, I hate to be wrong. But it happens sometimes. While we are on the subject, I heard a rumor that "The Developer" is buying up these homes to tear them all down and build a new compound for his family. He's going to put up a new wall that surrounds the entire Historic Side and dig a moat and flood the surrounding developments. I heard that he is going to start buying up everything in Wildwood and turn it into a hunting preserve with a lodge and ship in Elk. Or was it Moose? I can't remember. Oh, well. Anybody else hear this? ;~)
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 02:33 PM
Ohhh, I hate to be wrong. But it happens sometimes. While we are on the subject, I heard a rumor that "The Developer" is buying up these homes to tear them all down and build a new compound for his family. He's going to put up a new wall that surrounds the entire Historic Side and dig a moat and flood the surrounding developments. I heard that he is going to start buying up everything in Wildwood and turn it into a hunting preserve with a lodge and ship in Elk. Or was it Moose? I can't remember. Oh, well. Anybody else hear this? ;~)
You been drinkin' some beer, BK??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
TVMayor
07-03-2014, 02:43 PM
The last I heard was that the Morse family is buying them for their grand-children !!!!
If he really loved his grand-children he would buy them Disney World.
TVMayor
07-03-2014, 03:02 PM
On 5/23/2014 VILLAGES OF LAKE-SUMTER INC purchased 440 TARRSON BLVD LADY LAKE FL 32159 for $115,000.
The home that was built in 1985 has been removed and today a bulldozer was working on the property. No building permit has been recorded to build a new home.
quirky3
07-03-2014, 03:09 PM
Maybe they will combine lots and build larger homes
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 03:11 PM
On 5/23/2014 VILLAGES OF LAKE-SUMTER INC purchased 440 TARRSON BLVD LADY LAKE FL 32159 for $115,000.
The home that was built in 1985 has been removed and today a bulldozer was working on the property. No building permit has been recorded to build a new home.
I am told that building permits take MUCH longer in Lake County than they do in Sumter. At what point is it needed? Can they move dirt around without one?
Keep us up on things.
And Quirky...it would seem that the developer would build homes in the same size range as those already there. THIS is guessing. My first thought would be they would be cottages and designers.
bkcunningham1
07-03-2014, 03:15 PM
I am told that building permits take MUCH longer in Lake County than they do in Sumter.
But keep us up on things.
Tarson? Bulldozer? Perhaps the moat has begun. No beer here, Gracie. I'm too full of myself.
Lady L_Commissioner_Ward4
07-03-2014, 03:17 PM
Not rumors, The Villages of Lake-Sumter has bought, and has requested 30 permits from the Town of Lady Lake for demolition.
Some of the parcels are in the County( The Enclaves) and they would get permits from them.
This is good for all home evaluations in LadyLake/The Villages & The Enclaves. Thank you Mr. Morse
bkcunningham1
07-03-2014, 03:19 PM
Not rumors, The Villages of Lake-Sumter has bought, and has requested 30 permits from the Town of Lady Lake for demolition.
Some of the parcels are in the County( The Enclaves) and they would get permits from them.
This is good for all home evaluations in LadyLake/The Villages & The Enclaves. Thank you Mr. Morse
So, what is the plan besides the demolition, Mr. Hannan, sir?
EDIT: And what is the status of our lights for the pools?
Bogie Shooter
07-03-2014, 03:47 PM
POA July Bulletin
AAC Minutes
A resident asked when the pool lighting
installation at Paradise, Hilltop, Chula
Vista and Southside pools would be completed.
Staff advised that the hold up was
due to the review process going on to determine
whether the current lighting could
be grandfathered. The cost for upgrading
is approximately $25,000 for each pool. A
question was raised as to whether it was
necessary to continue lighting these pools
and Janet Tutt advised that it was necessary because by contract with the transfer
from the Developer the District agreed to
do so. (Exhibit Q of each amenity transfer
Agreement states, “…Make available to
Current Residents and Future Residents
the Facilities, and provide recreational services
and activities of approximately the
same quality, frequency, character and duration
as is currently being provided as of
the Closing Date…” Staff agreed to add
the item to Old Business for updates.
JB in TV
07-03-2014, 04:07 PM
So after the developer finishes buying, demolishing and rebuilding everything in the Historic District, then they start on the oldest of the ones west of 27/441. And then continue to move south.......Build out never quite ends, does it? ;)
OldManTime
07-03-2014, 04:29 PM
We can only assume they will build higher priced homes, which is good.
manaboutown
07-03-2014, 05:00 PM
IMHO the developer follows the Japanese management principle of Kaizen, much to the benefit of all. Kaizen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen)
buggyone
07-03-2014, 05:25 PM
I heard from a friend that his cleaning lady's friend of a next door neighbor in the historic section was offered $210,000 for her manufactured house. The offer was wrapped in secrecy and she could not find out who was wanting to buy it.
Sounds like the Morris's are serious about buying up the historic section.
bkcunningham1
07-03-2014, 07:30 PM
We drove around this afternoon and looked at some of these homes. 1626 West Schwartz-on a golf course. Very well maintained manufactured home. 1775 Lauren Lane. Also, on the golf course. Very well maintained manufactured home. 812 Aloha-Nothing special but not in disrepair. Looked to be well maintained too. 530 Tarson was the same. Nothing special. Big lot. Not in disrepair. 535 Bonita is on Silver Lake Golf Course and is also very well maintained. I'm wondering if Citizen's First Wholesale Mortgage holds the mortgage to these homes or if they are reverse mortgages? Things that make you go, "hummm."
njbchbum
07-03-2014, 07:31 PM
Ohhh, I hate to be wrong. But it happens sometimes. While we are on the subject, I heard a rumor that "The Developer" is buying up these homes to tear them all down and build a new compound for his family. He's going to put up a new wall that surrounds the entire Historic Side and dig a moat and flood the surrounding developments. I heard that he is going to start buying up everything in Wildwood and turn it into a hunting preserve with a lodge and ship in Elk. Or was it Moose? I can't remember. Oh, well. Anybody else hear this? ;~)
A moat!!! :MOJE_whot: I do hope they relocate all of the gators that scare folks across the way to our moat!:D
Bogie Shooter
07-03-2014, 09:40 PM
I heard from a friend that his cleaning lady's friend of a next door neighbor in the historic section was offered $210,000 for her manufactured house. The offer was wrapped in secrecy and she could not find out who was wanting to buy it.
Sounds like the Morris's are serious about buying up the historic section.
The developer's name is Morse, you know like the blvd.
Bonanza
07-03-2014, 09:55 PM
Ohhh, I hate to be wrong. But it happens sometimes. While we are on the subject, I heard a rumor that "The Developer" is buying up these homes to tear them all down and build a new compound for his family. He's going to put up a new wall that surrounds the entire Historic Side and dig a moat and flood the surrounding developments. I heard that he is going to start buying up everything in Wildwood and turn it into a hunting preserve with a lodge and ship in Elk. Or was it Moose? I can't remember. Oh, well. Anybody else hear this? ;~)
I heard this from a very reliable source.
Some time ago Mr. Morse purchased a large parcel of land east of Ocala, which he plans on turning into a "canned hunt."
In the event readers don't know what a "canned Hunt" is, according to Wikipedia, it is:
"A canned hunt is a trophy hunt in which an animal is kept in a confined area, such as in a fenced-in area, increasing the likelihood of the hunter obtaining a kill ."
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 10:05 PM
The rumor I heard was the developer will put them back on the market at an inflated price to drive up sales of new homes in the new sections.
I wouldn't think the sale prices would be inflated, perhaps the finished product will be worth more than the home it replaced.The Morses are pretty good at feeling the pulse of the market, although once I remember they were off, when they put the Cottages up for sale on Lake Sumter. They asked too much and dropped the prices later.
Bonanza
07-03-2014, 10:07 PM
Ohhh, I hate to be wrong. But it happens sometimes. While we are on the subject, I heard a rumor that "The Developer" is buying up these homes to tear them all down and build a new compound for his family. He's going to put up a new wall that surrounds the entire Historic Side and dig a moat and flood the surrounding developments. I heard that he is going to start buying up everything in Wildwood and turn it into a hunting preserve with a lodge and ship in Elk. Or was it Moose? I can't remember. Oh, well. Anybody else hear this? ;~)
I am told that building permits take MUCH longer in Lake County than they do in Sumter. At what point is it needed? Can they move dirt around without one?
Keep us up on things.
And Quirky...it would seem that the developer would build homes in the same size range as those already there. THIS is guessing. My first thought would be they would be cottages and designers.
Gracie . . . You always need a permit to demolish a structure and that is pretty easy.
I have a feeling, based on how quickly building permits are issued here,
that Mr. Morse can get his permit(s) lickety split -- in no time.
He has clout in all three counties!
If in the demo, the "pad" is left, meaning the concrete foundation,
a similar structure will be built on that spot.
If the pad is gone, it is definite that a new floor plan (larger?)
will be built on the same lot.
It will be interesting to see what happens..
graciegirl
07-03-2014, 10:20 PM
Gracie . . . You always need a permit to demolish a structure and that is pretty easy.
I have a feeling, based on how quickly building permits are issued here,
that Mr. Morse can get his permit(s) lickety split -- in no time.
He has clout in all three counties!
If in the demo, the "pad" is left, meaning the concrete foundation,
a similar structure will be built on that spot.
If the pad is gone, it is definite that a new floor plan (larger?)
will be built on the same lot.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
.
The rumor I have heard is that Lake County was not as eager to have The Villages as Sumter was and hasn't been as "cooperative. One of the posters who is always correct in their researched information; (Villages Kahuna or Indy Dealmaker) said a friend of theirs purchased a home a while back in Fruitland Park to flip and had to wait months for a permit. That was supposedly one of the reasons that The Villages Inc. had previously NOT built again in Lake County.
Bonanza
07-03-2014, 10:44 PM
The rumor I have heard is that Lake County was not as eager to have The Villages as Sumter was and hasn't been as "cooperative. One of the posters who is always correct in their researched information; (Villages Kahuna or Indy Dealmaker) said a friend of theirs purchased a home a while back in Fruitland Park to flip and had to wait months for a permit. That was supposedly one of the reasons that The Villages Inc. had previously NOT built again in Lake County.
Now that's interesting.
I surmised (surmised = my opinion) because I am in Sumter County
and know how quickly our house was built
and all the spec houses, as well,
that the same would hold true for Marion and Lake Counties.
I know -- I should never "surmise" and guess that isn't true.
But seriously . . . don't you think Mr. Morse will have a better chance
of getting things more quickly because of "who" he is
as opposed to an individual nobody knows, as in
"it isn't what you know, but who?"
njbchbum
07-03-2014, 11:01 PM
Now that's interesting.
I surmised (surmised = my opinion) because I am in Sumter County
and know how quickly our house was built
and all the spec houses, as well,
that the same would hold true for Marion and Lake Counties.
I know -- I should never "surmise" and guess that isn't true.
But seriously . . . don't you think Mr. Morse will have a better chance
of getting things more quickly because of "who" he is
as opposed to an individual nobody knows, as in
"it isn't what you know, but who?"
Bonanza - I think one can best evaluate the relationship between Mr. Morse and Lady Lake by reviewing the episode of "The Wall"...it went up and it came down! A compromise was the final result. He does not always get his way and he is wise enough to know when to negotiate and compromise.
chuckinca
07-04-2014, 12:37 AM
The current Lady Lake Town Council is made up of 3 Villages residents of the 5 members. I doubt it was like that when the Lady Lake Council voted to remove the gate 15 or 20 years ago because it blocked access to public roads.
The developer had no choice but to remove the illegal wall when Villagers where on Orlando TV demanding it be torn down.
The addition of the TV resident only gate allowed the appearance to Fruitland Park and Wildwood that cart access to TV was under TV control.
If Villagers want to shop at Lowe's, Beall's, Aldi, Walmart, etc they can use their cars - put the wall back up.
.
Bonanza
07-04-2014, 03:36 AM
Bonanza - I think one can best evaluate the relationship between Mr. Morse and Lady Lake by reviewing the episode of "The Wall"...it went up and it came down! A compromise was the final result. He does not always get his way and he is wise enough to know when to negotiate and compromise.
You have a good point there!
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-04-2014, 06:23 AM
Gracie . . . You always need a permit to demolish a structure and that is pretty easy.
I have a feeling, based on how quickly building permits are issued here,
that Mr. Morse can get his permit(s) lickety split -- in no time.
He has clout in all three counties!
If in the demo, the "pad" is left, meaning the concrete foundation,
a similar structure will be built on that spot.
If the pad is gone, it is definite that a new floor plan (larger?)
will be built on the same lot.
It will be interesting to see what happens..
Manufactured homes do not sit on pads. They sit on stacks of concrete blocks. That is the primary difference between them and modular homes.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-04-2014, 06:28 AM
The current Lady Lake Town Council is made up of 3 Villages residents of the 5 members. I doubt it was like that when the Lady Lake Council voted to remove the gate 15 or 20 years ago because it blocked access to public roads.
The developer had no choice but to remove the illegal wall when Villagers where on Orlando TV demanding it be torn down.
The addition of the TV resident only gate allowed the appearance to Fruitland Park and Wildwood that cart access to TV was under TV control.
If Villagers want to shop at Lowe's, Beall's, Aldi, Walmart, etc they can use their cars - put the wall back up.
.
The wall was illegal? How so? Why can't a person who owns a piece of property erect a wall on it? Unless there is some sort of deed restriction against the building of walls on property I don't see where there is anything "illegal" about building a wall on your own property.
mulligan
07-04-2014, 07:07 AM
The wall was illegal? How so? Why can't a person who owns a piece of property erect a wall on it? Unless there is some sort of deed restriction against the building of walls on property I don't see where there is anything "illegal" about building a wall on your own property.
It was a matter of what was previously permitted for that piece of property.
dirtbanker
07-04-2014, 09:01 AM
Manufactured homes do not sit on pads. They sit on stacks of concrete blocks. That is the primary difference between them and modular homes.
Well that sure sounds like a trailer home to me...:loco:
dirtbanker
07-04-2014, 09:08 AM
You always need a permit to demolish a structure and that is pretty easy.
I have a feeling, based on how quickly building permits are issued here,
that Mr. Morse can get his permit(s) lickety split -- in no time.
It appears as though he is not concerned about getting the permit (they already started the work). I guess that is one of the perks in doing that volume of business in the communities.
It will be interesting to see what type of homes will be built on these parcels...I am betting they will be stick built and have a garage...anyone want to bet against me?:eclipsee_gold_cup:
Bogie Shooter
07-04-2014, 10:01 AM
Well that sure sounds like a trailer home to me...:loco:
Not a necessary post.:sad:
njbchbum
07-04-2014, 10:12 AM
Well that sure sounds like a trailer home to me...:loco:
That makes me think that you don't know that a moblile home rests on wheels; whereas a manufactured or modular homes sits on a foundation.
Ask a Villages sales rep what a site built home on the historic side is and see if they don't explain that it is a modular home delivered to a concrete pad thru which utility connections have been prepared to accept the modular unit.
44Ruger
07-04-2014, 10:14 AM
Not a necessary post.:sad:
I agree. There are people living over on that side that are no less human than those of us in premier homes. This thread is embarrassing to the owners in the historic side.
cquick
07-04-2014, 10:19 AM
It appears as though he is not concerned about getting the permit (they already started the work). I guess that is one of the perks in doing that volume of business in the communities.
It will be interesting to see what type of homes will be built on these parcels...I am betting they will be stick built and have a garage...anyone want to bet against me?:eclipsee_gold_cup:
I don't mind a stick built house with a garage.....that's what many patio homes are, too.
njbchbum
07-04-2014, 10:21 AM
I agree. There are people living over on that side that are no less human than those of us in premier homes. This thread is embarrassing to the owners in the historic side.
I live on the historic side and I find your response equally out of place!
I think I can speak for many that this thread is not embarassing to those of us who live on the historic side...because we know who we are and we do not feel in the least that we have to be someone that someone else thinks we should be! We live with a comfort and confidence that some Villagers only wish they could possess.
44Ruger
07-04-2014, 10:28 AM
I live on the historic side and I find your response equally out of place!
I think I can speak for many that this thread is not embarassing to those of us who live on the historic side...because we know who we are and we do not feel in the least that we have to be someone that someone else thinks we should be! We live with a comfort and confidence that some Villagers only wish they could possess.
Sorry. I meant no disrespect.
Dave
dirtbanker
07-04-2014, 12:27 PM
That makes me think that you don't know that a moblile home rests on wheels; whereas a manufactured or modular homes sits on a foundation.
Ask a Villages sales rep what a site built home on the historic side is and see if they don't explain that it is a modular home delivered to a concrete pad thru which utility connections have been prepared to accept the modular unit.
And possibly Dr. Winston does not know either...
I did not intend to offend anyone, I read my post and understand how it could come across that way and maybe I should have worded it better, sorry for that.
The intent of my post was to point out that there was some discrepancy in what type of homes are over there. I had mentioned in the previous thread that some of the homes looked to be from the era of trailer homes (I posted a picture of one), Dr. Winston chimed back that there was no trailer homes over there, and then he comes back yesterday and states some of the homes over there are set on stacked up blocks. That sounds like a trailer home and the picture I posted looked like a trailer home.
Not sure if some on here think it is wrong of me to believe some of those homes look to be trailer homes, or do they think it is it just wrong of me to share that opinion...
perrjojo
07-04-2014, 12:32 PM
And possibly Dr. Winston does not know either...
I did not intend to offend anyone, I read my post and understand how it could come across that way and maybe I should have worded it better, sorry for that.
The intent of my post was to point out that there was some discrepancy in what type of homes are over there. I had mentioned in the previous thread that some of the homes looked to be from the era of trailer homes (I posted a picture of one), Dr. Winston chimed back that there was no trailer homes over there, and then he comes back yesterday and states some of the homes over there are set on stacked up blocks. That sounds like a trailer home and the picture I posted looked like a trailer home.
Not sure if some on here think it is wrong of me to believe some of those homes look to be trailer homes, or do they think it is it just wrong of me to share that opinion...
You did the right thing and apologized. IMHO, you owe no further explanation.
njbchbum
07-04-2014, 12:44 PM
And possibly Dr. Winston does not know either...
I did not intend to offend anyone, I read my post and understand how it could come across that way and maybe I should have worded it better, sorry for that.
The intent of my post was to point out that there was some discrepancy in what type of homes are over there. I had mentioned in the previous thread that some of the homes looked to be from the era of trailer homes (I posted a picture of one), Dr. Winston chimed back that there was no trailer homes over there, and then he comes back yesterday and states some of the homes over there are set on stacked up blocks. That sounds like a trailer home and the picture I posted looked like a trailer home.
Not sure if some on here think it is wrong of me to believe some of those homes look to be trailer homes, or do they think it is it just wrong of me to share that opinion...
In my view it is wrong of anyone to share an opinion or other comment that can be taken as an insult or offensive to someone who could be a party to the opinion/comment. Especially on social media such as TOTV, we pretty much have no idea of the readership. Some folks should reread their posts before hitting the 'submit' button and consider it in light of walking in the shoes of the readers. For those who forget to do that there is always the apology - thanks for yours.
Halibut
07-04-2014, 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by graciegirl
The rest of us who enjoy our well built homes will be so happy to see the historic area invigorated with new homes.
Is the inference that manufactured homes are not well-built? They do have to meet building codes. (http://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1501-20490-7051/fema_p85_ch2.txt) Excerpt from FEMA: Modular, panelized, and pre-cut homes must comply with the same State and local building codes as “site stick built” codes. Manufactured homes must meet HUD regulations.
Manufactured homes (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/housing/ramh/mhs/faq) are constructed according to a code administered by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD Code). The HUD Code, unlike conventional building codes, requires manufactured homes to be constructed on a permanent chassis.
Most manufactured homes are on piers with poured concrete footings. As other have said, there are no slabs.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-04-2014, 02:35 PM
And possibly Dr. Winston does not know either...
I did not intend to offend anyone, I read my post and understand how it could come across that way and maybe I should have worded it better, sorry for that.
The intent of my post was to point out that there was some discrepancy in what type of homes are over there. I had mentioned in the previous thread that some of the homes looked to be from the era of trailer homes (I posted a picture of one), Dr. Winston chimed back that there was no trailer homes over there, and then he comes back yesterday and states some of the homes over there are set on stacked up blocks. That sounds like a trailer home and the picture I posted looked like a trailer home.
Not sure if some on here think it is wrong of me to believe some of those homes look to be trailer homes, or do they think it is it just wrong of me to share that opinion...
When I hear the word trailer, I think of something that has wheels on the bottom and can be simply hooked up to a vehicle and moved. That is not the case with any of the homes over here. The term "mobile home" has been thrown around a lot and gives me the same impression, that the home is easily mobile. That is also not true. It takes a huge truck and a lot of effort to move these homes whether they are single wides, (which I think is what you are referring to when you say "trailer home") or double wides which is what most of the homes are over here. I believe you also inferred that some of these homes simply had their hitch cut off. None of these homes ever had a hitch. They are in no way trailers. Yes, they are set on blocks, but they are also secured with a set of tie downs. A permit is needed to tear one down and a permit is needed to put one up. True they are not site built and they are not modular homes. I prefer the term manufactured home, but they are in no way, trailers.
Apology accepted. Don't worry about it, I am not all that offended.
graciegirl
07-04-2014, 02:51 PM
Here is what I think will happen. The properties will have new homes built on them that will be sold to people who will enjoy them and join the other people who now live there who are enjoying life. Most of us treasure our home and the size and style or price are not relevant to the comfort being home means. I hope that the neighbors get along with the new folks and enjoy this wonderful time in their lives. I will be glad that the crews who will build these homes have work and they can help support their lifestyles and their children. I am so glad to know that it never was a danger in a strong wind and that all that are there are safe. I know three wonderful people personally who live there and they are leaders and shakers and remarkable in every way. I hope that Orange Blossom Restaurant reopens soon so I have reason to visit that part of this lovely villages world frequently again.
It is a good thing that is happening and I am glad for it.:pepper2:
NoMoSno
07-04-2014, 03:35 PM
When I hear the word trailer, I think of something that has wheels on the bottom and can be simply hooked up to a vehicle and moved. That is not the case with any of the homes over here. The term "mobile home" has been thrown around a lot and gives me the same impression, that the home is easily mobile. That is also not true. It takes a huge truck and a lot of effort to move these homes whether they are single wides, (which I think is what you are referring to when you say "trailer home") or double wides which is what most of the homes are over here. I believe you also inferred that some of these homes simply had their hitch cut off. None of these homes ever had a hitch. They are in no way trailers. Yes, they are set on blocks, but they are also secured with a set of tie downs. A permit is needed to tear one down and a permit is needed to put one up. True they are not site built and they are not modular homes. I prefer the term manufactured home, but they are in no way, trailers.
Apology accepted. Don't worry about it, I am not all that offended.
The mobile homes from the 70s were called "trailers" in the day.
They did have a "tongue" (hitch) and a set of wheels.
The hitch and wheels were only there for its trip from the factory to the site. They removed the hitch and wheels after it was set on blocks.
(sometimes also on a pad, as it was easier crawling under with a pad.)
Skirting was added, carports, sheds etc. It was not intended to be moved again.
There are still some of these there.
If kept dry and maintained they will out last our grandchildren.
The 80s brought in the "modulars", (manufactured) single, double wides.
There are also "Pre-Fabs" there. Several sections are assembled to form the house.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-04-2014, 04:36 PM
The mobile homes from the 70s were called "trailers" in the day.
They did have a "tongue" (hitch) and a set of wheels.
The hitch and wheels were only there for its trip from the factory to the site. They removed the hitch and wheels after it was set on blocks.
(sometimes also on a pad, as it was easier crawling under with a pad.)
Skirting was added, carports, sheds etc. It was not intended to be moved again.
There are still some of these there.
If kept dry and maintained they will out last our grandchildren.
The 80s brought in the "modulars", (manufactured) single, double wides.
There are also "Pre-Fabs" there. Several sections are assembled to form the house.
That is absolutely correct. But, there are not just some of these here. This is describes the vast majority of these homes. They are not intended to ever be moved again which is why the terms trailer and mobile home seem a bit absurd these days.
The other thing is that most of the homes on this side are double wides. They are brought in in two pieces and joined together after they have been set on the site. I've seen this happen several tiles where people have torn down their old home and put up a new manufactured home on the site. It;s actually a fascinating process to behold.
Halibut
07-04-2014, 06:30 PM
I'm not a member of the architectural committee (although I should be!), but a new manufactured model like this would, I think, be in keeping with the cosy feel of the historic neighborhoods. Not that Morse has any incentive to deviate from his established construction process, but I like looking at floor plans. It's a quirk.
dalecrenshaw
07-04-2014, 06:35 PM
The mobile homes from the 70s were called "trailers" in the day.
They did have a "tongue" (hitch) and a set of wheels.
The hitch and wheels were only there for its trip from the factory to the site. They removed the hitch and wheels after it was set on blocks.
(sometimes also on a pad, as it was easier crawling under with a pad.)
Skirting was added, carports, sheds etc. It was not intended to be moved again.
There are still some of these there.
If kept dry and maintained they will out last our grandchildren.
The 80s brought in the "modulars", (manufactured) single, double wides.
There are also "Pre-Fabs" there. Several sections are assembled to form the house.
My folks retired to the Villages and bought a manufactured house in what was the Historic side of the Villages (and that was the "only area" in what is the Villages at the time.) The other side didn't exist. The founder of the Villages, Harold Shwartz" was a neighbor and lived in the historic area in a manufactured home. My parents were among the first 500 homes...and that was in 1984. So, I don't think there could be very many, or any, "trailers" from the 70's. A slight exaggeration.
CFrance
07-04-2014, 06:46 PM
I'm not a member of the architectural committee (although I should be!), but a new manufactured model like this would, I think, be in keeping with the cosy feel of the historic neighborhoods. Not that Morse has any incentive to deviate from his established construction process, but I like looking at floor plans. It's a quirk.
Love that!:pepper2::pepper2:
NoMoSno
07-04-2014, 06:48 PM
My folks retired to the Villages and bought a manufactured house in what was the Historic side of the Villages (and that was the "only area" in what is the Villages at the time.) The other side didn't exist. The founder of the Villages, Harold Shwartz" was a neighbor and lived in the historic area in a manufactured home. My parents were among the first 500 homes...and that was in 1984. So, I don't think there could be very many, or any, "trailers" from the 70's. A slight exaggeration.
Orange Blossom was built beginning in the early 70s
History
Harold Schwartz, a Michigan businessman, began selling land tracts via mail order in The Villages area in the 1960s. He and his business partner Al Tarrson were put out of business by a 1968 Federal law that banned mail order sales of real estate.[8]
Stuck with considerable portions of Florida land, in the early 1970s Schwartz and Tarrson began development of a mobile home park, Orange Blossom Gardens, in the northwestern corner of Lake County. By the early 1980s, the community had sold only 400 units. Trying to improve the business, Schwartz decided to buy out Tarrson's interest and bring his son, H. Gary Morse, on board in 1983.
Morse noted that the successful retirement communities (such as Del Webb's Sun City developments) offered numerous well-maintained amenities to the residents. They also had diverse and nearby commercial development. Morse began to significantly upgrade the development. Their sales improved in the mid-1980s. Schwartz began to buy large tracts of land in nearby Sumter and Marion counties for future expansion. In 1992 Morse officially changed the overall development name to The Villages. The development is still controlled in all major aspects by descendants of Schwartz and Morse.
The Villages, Florida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida)
Your parents may have been pioneers, but it started 10 yrs. before they got there.
Halibut
07-04-2014, 06:53 PM
It's very difficult to get insurance for manufactured homes built before 1976 when stricter HUD standards were put in place. That's the first thing the insurance companies asked us. Additional standards were instituted in 1994, when new wind zone design standards were mandated.
The name was officially changed from "mobile home" to "manufactured home" in 1980, but who pays attention to that? Plenty of "mobile estate" communities in Florida. :)
Source: Probably more (http://www.acegroup.com/bm-en/assets/acetempestrenewsletterjune09.pdf) than you wanted to know.
njbchbum
07-04-2014, 11:08 PM
It's very difficult to get insurance for manufactured homes built before 1976 when stricter HUD standards were put in place. That's the first thing the insurance companies asked us. Additional standards were instituted in 1994, when new wind zone design standards were mandated.
The name was officially changed from "mobile home" to "manufactured home" in 1980, but who pays attention to that? Plenty of "mobile estate" communities in Florida. :)
Source: Probably more (http://www.acegroup.com/bm-en/assets/acetempestrenewsletterjune09.pdf) than you wanted to know.
Since most of our homes in the historic neighborhoods were established after 1976, most of us have had no problem securing insurance as long as the tie-down system is up to date with current requirements.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-05-2014, 07:40 AM
Orange Blossom was built beginning in the early 70s
History
Harold Schwartz, a Michigan businessman, began selling land tracts via mail order in The Villages area in the 1960s. He and his business partner Al Tarrson were put out of business by a 1968 Federal law that banned mail order sales of real estate.[8]
Stuck with considerable portions of Florida land, in the early 1970s Schwartz and Tarrson began development of a mobile home park, Orange Blossom Gardens, in the northwestern corner of Lake County. By the early 1980s, the community had sold only 400 units. Trying to improve the business, Schwartz decided to buy out Tarrson's interest and bring his son, H. Gary Morse, on board in 1983.
Morse noted that the successful retirement communities (such as Del Webb's Sun City developments) offered numerous well-maintained amenities to the residents. They also had diverse and nearby commercial development. Morse began to significantly upgrade the development. Their sales improved in the mid-1980s. Schwartz began to buy large tracts of land in nearby Sumter and Marion counties for future expansion. In 1992 Morse officially changed the overall development name to The Villages. The development is still controlled in all major aspects by descendants of Schwartz and Morse.
The Villages, Florida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida)
Your parents may have been pioneers, but it started 10 yrs. before they got there.
So between 1970 and 1980 400 manufactured homes were sold. If I recall correctly, there are about 7,000 homes over here. Assuming that some of those original 400 were sold after 1974 maybe 200 are pre 1974. Who knows how many of those have been torn down and replaced.
Lady L_Commissioner_Ward4
07-05-2014, 09:23 AM
So between 1970 and 1980 400 manufactured homes were sold. If I recall correctly, there are about 7,000 homes over here. Assuming that some of those original 400 were sold after 1974 maybe 200 are pre 1974. Who knows how many of those have been torn down and replaced.
NoMoSno, great History, allow me to add some known facts;
When Mr. Schwartz was building in what we now called "The Enclaves" it was taking him forever to get permits from Lake County, as all the Enclaves are in the County. He then approached The Town of lady Lake Building department and asked if he were to annex his future parcels, and offer to existing homeowners to come into the Town of Lady Lake also, how long would it take to get a permit, the reply was 48 hours! At that point, all his homes In Lake county, and now in the Town of Lady Lake,
Today there approximately 750 homes in the Enclaves. (Lake County)
justjim
07-05-2014, 12:03 PM
I was told by a sales person who had been selling for over 30 years that there were 4,000 manufacture homes in TV on the Historical side of The Villages. It's great what is now taking place there. Most residents really have taken care of their property and many have already upgraded their homes.
TVMayor
07-05-2014, 12:04 PM
Not rumors, The Villages of Lake-Sumter has bought, and has requested 30 permits from the Town of Lady Lake for demolition.
Some of the parcels are in the County( The Enclaves) and they would get permits from them.
This is good for all home evaluations in LadyLake/The Villages & The Enclaves. Thank you Mr. Morse
I can not find the answer so I will repeat the question already asked, “So, what is the plan besides the demolition, Mr. Hannan, sir”?
njbchbum
07-05-2014, 12:36 PM
NoMoSno, great History, allow me to add some known facts;
When Mr. Schwartz was building in what we now called "The Enclaves" it was taking him forever to get permits from Lake County, as all the Enclaves are in the County. He then approached The Town of lady Lake Building department and asked if he were to annex his future parcels, and offer to existing homeowners to come into the Town of Lady Lake also, how long would it take to get a permit, the reply was 48 hours! At that point, all his homes In Lake county, and now in the Town of Lady Lake,
Today there approximately 750 homes in the Enclaves. (Lake County)
What are the 'boundaries' of the area referred to as 'The Enclaves'?
Schaumburger
07-05-2014, 11:32 PM
I was told by a sales person who had been selling for over 30 years that there were 4,000 manufacture homes in TV on the Historical side of The Villages. It's great what is now taking place there. Most residents really have taken care of their property and many have already upgraded their homes.
I am currently renting a home in the Village of Silver Lake. It is adorable; it has been totally updated. I would buy this home in a heartbeat. Today I went to an open house in Country Club Hills which was for a very attractive home that has been updated. And I love the mature landscaping in this part of The Villages.
mrfixit
07-05-2014, 11:49 PM
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2BNTV
07-05-2014, 11:50 PM
I am currently renting a home in the Village of Silver Lake. It is adorable; it has been totally updated. I would buy this home in a heartbeat. Today I went to an open house in Country Club Hills which was for a very attractive home that has been updated. And I love the mature landscaping in this part of The Villages.
Did you bring your checkbook? :D
Schaumburger
07-06-2014, 12:00 AM
Did you bring your checkbook? :D
Just before I left for the airport a few days ago, I told Molly my cat that I was going to The Villages. She demanded that I turn my checkbook over to her for "safekeeping" along with a bag of Purina Friskies Party Mix cat treats. She has me trained well -- LOL.
2BNTV
07-06-2014, 12:10 AM
Just before I left for the airport a few days ago, I told Molly my cat that I was going to The Villages. She demanded that I turn my checkbook over to her for "safekeeping" along with a bag of Purina Friskies Party Mix cat treats. She has me trained well -- LOL.
Is Molly buying you a house? :D
Villages Kahuna
07-06-2014, 07:42 AM
The rumor I heard was the developer will put them back on the market at an inflated price to drive up sales of new homes in the new sections....must be that the Developer must control the law of supply and demand here in The Villages.
Buy houses for what appears to already be inflated prices, then wait a few months and put them back up for sale at even higher prices? It'll be interesting to see if that works.
dirtbanker
07-06-2014, 08:10 AM
The rumor I heard was the developer will put them back on the market at an inflated price to drive up sales of new homes in the new sections.I am sure the other people that have homes for sale in that neighborhood would love to see the prices inflated, but those older homes are not comparable to the new homes (style, size, amenities, materials, etc.).
Please elaborate on how inflating the price on these 11 older homes would drive up sales of the 100s of newer homes.
...must be that the Developer must control the law of supply and demand here in The Villages.
Buy houses for what appears to already be inflated prices, then wait a few months and put them back up for sale at even higher prices? It'll be interesting to see if that works.
NOT!
LOL, I already asked Allegiance to explain that theory 7 pages ago, no response yet.:crap2:
CFrance
07-06-2014, 08:12 AM
Just before I left for the airport a few days ago, I told Molly my cat that I was going to The Villages. She demanded that I turn my checkbook over to her for "safekeeping" along with a bag of Purina Friskies Party Mix cat treats. She has me trained well -- LOL.
I see Molly's come out from under the bed!:clap2::clap2:
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 08:16 AM
...must be that the Developer must control the law of supply and demand here in The Villages.
Buy houses for what appears to already be inflated prices, then wait a few months and put them back up for sale at even higher prices? It'll be interesting to see if that works.
I think that the developer can only control the supply. It seems to me that he's just trying to keep up with the demand.
But I do agree. I doubt if his plan is to buy these homes and resell them a few months down the road at a higher price. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 08:27 AM
NoMoSno, great History, allow me to add some known facts;
When Mr. Schwartz was building in what we now called "The Enclaves" it was taking him forever to get permits from Lake County, as all the Enclaves are in the County. He then approached The Town of lady Lake Building department and asked if he were to annex his future parcels, and offer to existing homeowners to come into the Town of Lady Lake also, how long would it take to get a permit, the reply was 48 hours! At that point, all his homes In Lake county, and now in the Town of Lady Lake,
Today there approximately 750 homes in the Enclaves. (Lake County)
If I'm not mistaken, all of the historic district including, Silver Lake, Orange Blossom Gardens and Country Club Hills is in Lake County and in the town of Lady Lake.
I saw that someone had posted that there are 400 homes over here. Someone else posted 750 and still another post says 4,000. I had heard that there are 7,000. All you have to do is take a short drive around here and you can see that there are far more then 750 homes.
I'm not sure what encompassed "The Enclaves" but as I understand it, The first development was Orange Blossom Gardens. It was then spread southeastward to what is now called Silver Lake. Finally, the area to the northwest, now called Country Club Hills was developed.
On another note, there are several manufactured homes across 27/441 int he older Villages of Del Mar, Mira Mesa and some of the others surrounding Spanish Springs Town Square.
kstew43
07-06-2014, 08:32 AM
the village salesman we were working with told me the villages purchased 30 manufacted, he said they are going to turn them into patio or Court yards.
I questioned why the builder didn't want the one i was interested in, on teakwood, and he said they have such a high amount backloged at this point and didn't want to take on any more.....hummmm.. We decided to take a wait and see approach.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 09:54 AM
Here is the Historic District, in all it's glory. If someone wants to bother you can count the number of homes here.
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii564/Winston1027/HistoricDistrict2_zps4b7f496f.jpg (http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Winston1027/media/HistoricDistrict2_zps4b7f496f.jpg.html)
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 09:58 AM
the village salesman we were working with told me the villages purchased 30 manufacted, he said they are going to turn them into patio or Court yards.
I questioned why the builder didn't want the one i was interested in, on teakwood, and he said they have such a high amount backloged at this point and didn't want to take on any more.....hummmm.. We decided to take a wait and see approach.
Courtyard Villas are placed right next to each other sharing driveway space. An owner walks through his neighbors driveway to get to the entrance of his back yard. Patio Villas might make more sense, but then these are usually in there own little enclave as well. I would think that if he were going to do some kind of villas, he would try to buy 30 homes that are adjacent to one another.
The question is why would they be buying up god homes at high prices when there are plenty here that they can buy at foreclosure rates. It would make sense to me for the developer to approach the banks that hold these properties and make an offer for all of them as opposed to buying up homes for $100,000+ and then putting villas on them that will sell from $150,00 to $250,000.
graciegirl
07-06-2014, 10:04 AM
I am pretty sure that the homes that I saw "disappear" from the listing site were the ones in the seventy to eighty range.
I do know this. That nice ole guy, Gary Morse, knows his way around real estate.
If you missed it, anyone, I am a HUGE fan.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 10:12 AM
I am pretty sure that the homes that I saw "disappear" from the listing site were the ones in the seventy to eighty range.
I do know this. That nice ole guy, Gary Morse, knows his way around real estate.
If you missed it, anyone, I am a HUGE fan.
I agree. There's no question that Mr Morse knows how to sell real estate, make a lot of money and keep people happy. I'm just trying to figure what he's trying to do. Like I said, it will be interesting and I'm sure it will be good.
The other thought that I had is that this might only be the start of a long term plan to keep The Villages as updated as possible. The Historic District has been here for about thirty years now. (Yes, few homes have been here longer but for the most part, the Villages started around thirty years ago).
If he starts over here and takes ten years or so to change it over to site built homes, he might then move across the street to the Spanish Springs areas, (where there are several manufactured homes by the way) and start doing the same thing over there. It's possible that 50-100 years from now, all of the homes in The Villages from the Historic District to Fruitland Park ay be replaced. Successful people ten to have long term plans.
Cisco Kid
07-06-2014, 10:29 AM
I am pretty sure that the homes that I saw "disappear" from the listing site were the ones in the seventy to eighty range.
I do know this. That nice ole guy, Gary Morse, knows his way around real estate.
If you missed it, anyone, I am a HUGE fan.
Really ? :loco:
denise adams
07-06-2014, 10:41 AM
Personally I loved the explanation by someone of "trailers" vs "manufactured" homes. While in MIchigan (23 years) I lived near a factory that built two piece homes, delivered them, set them up and wham bam you have a home. They were called "manufactured" homes. Near there was another plant that built "metal siding" homes called "trailers". Same thing, built, delivered, set up.
Most "trailers" or whatever we choose to call them seem to have vertically placed metal siding whereas manufactured homes had aluminum or vinyl siding placed horizontally. To me, the manufactured homes were very well built due in fact to being built/assembled inside rather than outside where quality is sometimes sacrificed due to -20 degree whether. My husband placed a lot of telephone wiring in site built homes and apartments and was often told to "hurry up so we can hide the defects in the studs/walls, etc.
Remember rock throwers, this is my opinion only and opinions can't be wrong
denise adams
07-06-2014, 10:42 AM
sorry for the typo..............weather not whether
Halibut
07-06-2014, 10:53 AM
There's no question that Mr Morse knows how to sell real estate, make a lot of money and keep people happy. I'm just trying to figure what he's trying to do. Like I said, it will be interesting and I'm sure it will be good.
I'm not so convinced about "good," but then, I tend not to like the stick-built houses (eg., the stucco ones by the Boone gate and at the top of the hill before the roundabout) because I think they look all sorts of out of place.
Why not a shiny, rah-rah article in The Sun talking about the great plans for revitalizing? I'm neutral about the Morse family in general -- don't know them -- but confess I don't understand their desire for secrecy or why they prefer to operate like the Wizard behind the curtain.
CFrance
07-06-2014, 10:55 AM
I'm not so convinced about "good," but then, I tend not to like the stick-built houses (eg., the stucco ones by the Boone gate and at the top of the hill before the roundabout) because I think they look all sorts of out of place.
Why not a shiny, rah-rah article in The Sun talking about the great plans for revitalizing? I'm neutral about the Morse family in general -- don't know them -- but confess I don't understand their desire for secrecy or why they prefer to operate like the Wizard behind the curtain.
Hear, hear.
perrjojo
07-06-2014, 11:59 AM
Why the secrecy? Cuz they don't want anyone throwing up road blocks before they accomplish their goal. Makes sense to me. I mean the Coke formula is locked in a safe with multiple combinations. No successful business divulges their plan a head of time.
CFrance
07-06-2014, 12:05 PM
So even the realtors knew what was going on. We have a ve$ted interest in TV. I think they could do us the courtesy of not having us be the last ones to know what's in the works.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 12:46 PM
I'm not so convinced about "good," but then, I tend not to like the stick-built houses (eg., the stucco ones by the Boone gate and at the top of the hill before the roundabout) because I think they look all sorts of out of place.
Why not a shiny, rah-rah article in The Sun talking about the great plans for revitalizing? I'm neutral about the Morse family in general -- don't know them -- but confess I don't understand their desire for secrecy or why they prefer to operate like the Wizard behind the curtain.
I think the site built homes look great and they fit right in to most neighborhoods. if you look around you'll see some newer manufactured homes that look every bit as good as some of the site built homes. Do you not like those either?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 12:49 PM
Personally I loved the explanation by someone of "trailers" vs "manufactured" homes. While in MIchigan (23 years) I lived near a factory that built two piece homes, delivered them, set them up and wham bam you have a home. They were called "manufactured" homes. Near there was another plant that built "metal siding" homes called "trailers". Same thing, built, delivered, set up.
Most "trailers" or whatever we choose to call them seem to have vertically placed metal siding whereas manufactured homes had aluminum or vinyl siding placed horizontally. To me, the manufactured homes were very well built due in fact to being built/assembled inside rather than outside where quality is sometimes sacrificed due to -20 degree whether. My husband placed a lot of telephone wiring in site built homes and apartments and was often told to "hurry up so we can hide the defects in the studs/walls, etc.
Remember rock throwers, this is my opinion only and opinions can't be wrong
I don't think that they were ever actually called trailers. mobile home was the correct term and that has been updated (correctly in my opinion) to manufactured home. A trailer is something that you pull behind your car when you go camping.
True some of the early developments were referred to as "trailer parks" but I think that was somewhat of a derogatory term. They should have been called mobile home parks or mobile home communities.
njbchbum
07-06-2014, 01:32 PM
I don't think that they were ever actually called trailers. mobile home was the correct term and that has been updated (correctly in my opinion) to manufactured home. A trailer is something that you pull behind your car when you go camping.
True some of the early developments were referred to as "trailer parks" but I think that was somewhat of a derogatory term. They should have been called mobile home parks or mobile home communities.
Doc - I do believe that back in the 60s the structures WERE trailers. I can recall riding to FL many times as a child and saw with my own eyes the homes that sat on wheels in many a trailer park community on the back roads where we drove thru the Carolina pines where workers collected sap n buckets from the trees and along RT 301 in FL. Those structures did have vertical siding as was described; and those who had more $$ than others chose to skirt their homes rather than leave the undercarriage exposed as some did.
Your opinions are always appreciated, but not when they attempt to distort or contradict what others have actually experienced. Up until 10/15 years ago we could still find trailer parks out in the woodlands of PA! They were placed there for tourists and have now pretty much been replaced by the big bucks rolling motor homes of subsequent generations of tourists!
bkcunningham1
07-06-2014, 01:45 PM
Way off topic, but: What is the difference between a trailer, mobile home and manufactured home? (http://www.seniormobiles.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-trailer-mobile-ho-va-2.html)
Often people use the terms trailer, mobile home and manufactured home interchangeably, but there are huge differences between them.
The terms "trailer home" and trailer park are generally wording from the forties and fifties in the US. There was a perception that the residents were poor and undereducated, however, some of the original trailers were actually summer homes in resort areas.
The term"mobile home" came into popularity during the late 1950’s and 1960’s, but continues to this day. Although they were manufactured with wheels, which offered a means of transport, these homes became more of a permanent fixture once they were set on a lot. They were either single wide or doublewide mobile homes and became popular with retirees, who often used them as second homes. Large mobile home communities were developed in warm weather states like Arizona and Florida as seniors flocked there. Mobile homes became better built, larger and more efficient as time went on. They were also an affordable type of housing for many families. By 1970, these homes were built to voluntary industry standards that were eventually enforced by 45 of the 48 contiguous states. But, there was a call in the early 1970’s for better, more uniform standards, and in 1974 the HUD code went into effect.
By an act of Congress in 1974, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) was designated as the government agency to oversee the Federal Manufactured Housing Program. There is an actual department in HUD to oversee the program and that department is called the Office of Regulatory Affairs and Manufactured Housing. Most states also have an agency within the state that administers the HUD program. From that time forward the term mobile home changed to "manufactured home", because the dwellings are now manufactured to HUD standards. They are usually transported to the end location in one or more sections on a permanent chassis. Although the term mobile home still persists, the manufacturers are trying very hard to change the term and to make consumers aware of the differences between a mobile home and a manufactured home. The differences include such things as safety, quality standards and luxury.
Also, HUD- Manufactured Housing and Standards (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/housing/ramh/mhs/faq)
What is a manufactured home?
A manufactured home (formerly known as a mobile home) is built to the Manufactured Home Construction and Safety Standards (HUD Code) and displays a red certification label on the exterior of each transportable section. Manufactured homes are built in the controlled environment of a manufacturing plant and are transported in one or more sections on a permanent chassis.
What is the difference between manufactured and modular homes?Manufactured homes are constructed according to a code administered by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD Code). The HUD Code, unlike conventional building codes, requires manufactured homes to be constructed on a permanent chassis. Modular homes are constructed to the same state, local or regional building codes as site-built homes. Other types of systems-built homes include panelized wall systems, log homes, structural insulated panels, and insulating concrete forms.
perrjojo
07-06-2014, 01:57 PM
Trailer home, manufactured home, modular home. They all share one thing in common. THEY ARE A HOME.
kstew43
07-06-2014, 04:00 PM
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159 home plus 20 Acres
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Looked at a home on west schwartz 3 months ago for $77, when I did that I noticed this acreage directly behind w schwartz....
Closed but not recorded on Lake County site as of yet so can't tell who bought it...but....
I can only imagine who might have bought that and what they will do with the land.... only speculating, but if I were the villages I would of jumped on the 20 acres...
You just never know....
graciegirl
07-06-2014, 04:02 PM
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159 home plus 20 Acres
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Looked at a home on west schwartz 3 months ago for $77, when I did that I noticed this acreage directly behind w schwartz....
Closed but not recorded on Lake County site as of yet so can't tell who bought it...but....
I can only imagine who might have bought that and what they will do with the land.... only speculating, but if I were the villages I would of jumped on the 20 acres...
You just never know....:a040::a040::a040::a040::a040:
bkcunningham1
07-06-2014, 04:10 PM
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159 home plus 20 Acres
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Looked at a home on west schwartz 3 months ago for $77, when I did that I noticed this acreage directly behind w schwartz....
Closed but not recorded on Lake County site as of yet so can't tell who bought it...but....
I can only imagine who might have bought that and what they will do with the land.... only speculating, but if I were the villages I would of jumped on the 20 acres...
You just never know....
I think that might be Mr. Ron Brown's property. The feud may be over.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 04:16 PM
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159 home plus 20 Acres
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Looked at a home on west schwartz 3 months ago for $77, when I did that I noticed this acreage directly behind w schwartz....
Closed but not recorded on Lake County site as of yet so can't tell who bought it...but....
I can only imagine who might have bought that and what they will do with the land.... only speculating, but if I were the villages I would of jumped on the 20 acres...
You just never know....
There's something wrong with this listing. There is a lot of acreage behind West Schwartz, but Bowersox is for lack of a better term, landlocked. It runs from West Schwartz to West Schwartz. There is no open land behind it.
Jayhawk
07-06-2014, 04:17 PM
Sold for 2.3 times the estimated value (Zillow.com)
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159
4 beds, 3 baths, 5,719 sqft
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Zestimate®: $1,239,844
bkcunningham1
07-06-2014, 04:18 PM
There's something wrong with this listing. There is a lot of acreage behind West Schwartz, but Bowersox is for lack of a better term, landlocked. It runs from West Schwartz to West Schwartz. There is no open land behind it.
That address is the open lot at the end of the one end of Bowersox that goes to Mr. Brown's property. It is a Bowersox address since Bowersox, on a map, would come straight across Schwartz there. If you know the area, you will know exactly where I'm talking about.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 04:19 PM
There's something wrong with this listing. There is a lot of acreage behind West Schwartz, but Bowersox is for lack of a better term, landlocked. It runs from West Schwartz to West Schwartz. There is no open land behind it.
OK, I see it now. Bowersox ends at West Schwartz but there is a paper street that extends past West Schwartz. This is part of the property that was used as a cart path enroute from the infamous wall/gate to Lowe's. There's a vacant lot on West Schwartz and I've often wondered why there was no house built on it. That lot was one of the alternate routes suggested when the wall was put up. I believe that it was owned by the same guy that owned the property where the new assisted living facility was built. This looks like it might be all of the land surrounding the new assisted living facility.
kstew43
07-06-2014, 04:20 PM
There's something wrong with this listing. There is a lot of acreage behind West Schwartz, but Bowersox is for lack of a better term, landlocked. It runs from West Schwartz to West Schwartz. There is no open land behind it.
but what if you were to buy a few manufactured homes, done already on schwartz, and make there land into a road/entrance, and build a few millions worth of homes on that 20 acres.
You just never know.....the future will tell
NoMoSno
07-06-2014, 04:30 PM
Sold for 2.3 times the estimated value (Zillow.com)
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159
4 beds, 3 baths, 5,719 sqft
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Zestimate®: $1,239,844
Yes, that looks like the Browns property.
Wonder who owns current the trail to Lowes ?
njbchbum
07-06-2014, 04:39 PM
I think that might be Mr. Ron Brown's property. The feud may be over.
Am I correct to GUESS that a new neighborhood there could put an end to the "Ho Chi Minh Trail"?
A whole new thread to be born!!!! ;)
bkcunningham1
07-06-2014, 04:42 PM
900 Bowersox Dr, Lady Lake, FL 32159 home plus 20 Acres
Sold: $2,850,000
Sold on 05/09/14
Looked at a home on west schwartz 3 months ago for $77, when I did that I noticed this acreage directly behind w schwartz....
Closed but not recorded on Lake County site as of yet so can't tell who bought it...but....
I can only imagine who might have bought that and what they will do with the land.... only speculating, but if I were the villages I would of jumped on the 20 acres...
You just never know....
I'm curious where you got this tidbit of information. If it is online, could you share the link, please?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 04:58 PM
Looking at Google Earth, there are a couple of houses back there. One looks like it's a mansion that could be worth two or three million. The other looks like a possibly a guest house. Are those the Brown residences? The thing is that there is no road going in there. I'm thinking one of those homes is 900 Bowersox.
njbchbum
07-06-2014, 04:59 PM
I'm curious where you got this tidbit of information. If it is online, could you share the link, please.
Lady Lake Florida Homes For Sale & Lady Lake Real Estate - Zillow (http://www.zillow.com/homes/900-bowersox-dr,-lady-lake-fl_rb/)
bkcunningham1
07-06-2014, 05:01 PM
Lady Lake Florida Homes For Sale & Lady Lake Real Estate - Zillow (http://www.zillow.com/homes/900-bowersox-dr,-lady-lake-fl_rb/)
Thanks, Sista.
bkcunningham1
07-06-2014, 05:02 PM
Looking at Google Earth, there are a couple of houses back there. One looks like it's a mansion that could be worth two or three million. The other looks like a possibly a guest house. Are those the Brown residences? The thing is that there is no road going in there. I'm thinking one of those homes is 900 Bowersox.
There are roads. There are dirt roads going in to the homes.
njbchbum
07-06-2014, 05:09 PM
Looking at Google Earth, there are a couple of houses back there. One looks like it's a mansion that could be worth two or three million. The other looks like a possibly a guest house. Are those the Brown residences? The thing is that there is no road going in there. I'm thinking one of those homes is 900 Bowersox.
Maybe they use the golf cart path? :22yikes: :lipsrsealed:
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 05:35 PM
Here you can see the area we're discussing. Like I said, Bowersox loops around and begins and ends on West Schwartz. Across from Bowersox on West Schwartz is the vacant lot and then the area of 20 acres that was just sold.
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii564/Winston1027/900Bowersox_zps22b94af5.jpg (http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Winston1027/media/900Bowersox_zps22b94af5.jpg.html)
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 05:37 PM
Here's a closeup of the two homes.
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii564/Winston1027/900BowersoxZoom_zpsd35a3523.jpg (http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/Winston1027/media/900BowersoxZoom_zpsd35a3523.jpg.html)
Halibut
07-06-2014, 05:37 PM
I think the site built homes look great and they fit right in to most neighborhoods. if you look around you'll see some newer manufactured homes that look every bit as good as some of the site built homes. Do you not like those either?
If an existing home has to be demolished, I'd prefer it to be replaced with a new manufactured home.
Or maybe it's mostly the stucco houses I object to. At any rate, it's a mild preference. What type of houses are built actually rates pretty low on my life's excitement-o-meter. :)
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 05:46 PM
Am I correct to GUESS that a new neighborhood there could put an end to the "Ho Chi Minh Trail"?
A whole new thread to be born!!!! ;)
The Ho Chi Minh Trail was gone once the new assisted living facility opened. I think it's still there, but it's no longer used.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 05:48 PM
There are roads. There are dirt roads going in to the homes.
Yes, there is a dirt road that runs out of the side of the assisted living facility. It looks like it connects to their parking lot and runs down the south side of the building.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 05:50 PM
Yes, that looks like the Browns property.
Wonder who owns current the trail to Lowes ?
The only road to Lowes now is a 180 yard stretch that passes by a water retention pond. The rest of the way you travel though the medical facility and the assisted living facility parking lots.
dirtbanker
07-06-2014, 06:04 PM
Wow! Hard to fathom the foresight of The Villages if they purchased the 20 acres and a good number of the older homes surrounding it. Brilliant Business people at work there!
A few of the posts on this thread left me believing there are a couple people with a big elephant hidden under a tablecloth in their living room...
NoMoSno
07-06-2014, 06:38 PM
The only road to Lowes now is a 180 yard stretch that passes by a water retention pond.
Yes.
Just wondering who owns that road/trail.
Was that area also sold to the assisted living, or does Brown still own that?
Looks like a future spot for more commercial development.
Just hoping that trail is kept open, and maybe paved one day...
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 06:41 PM
Yes.
Just wondering who owns that road/trail.
Was that area also sold to the assisted living, or does Brown still own that?
Looks like a future spot for more commercial development.
Just hoping that trail is kept open, and maybe paved one day...
I'm fairly certain the the assisted living facility owns it. It was built when the assisted living facility was being built.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-06-2014, 06:42 PM
Here's something interesting. I have no idea if there's any kind of connection, but it's not to far of a stretch to think this is what's going on.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/cottage-homes-119934/
kstew43
07-06-2014, 08:22 PM
I'm curious where you got this tidbit of information. If it is online, could you share the link, please?
zillow or trulia, you can choose which one you would like.....
then you can check Lake county tax appraiser and find out who bought it, from whom and how much they paid...... all public information.....no guessing involved...
TVMayor
07-06-2014, 10:34 PM
Mr Brown’s property adjacent to the Historical District in Sumter County & Lake County.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/MrBrown_zps3960fad4.jpg
Schaumburger
07-07-2014, 06:49 AM
If the developer did buy this property with the intention of putting in a section of cottages, how many cottages could be put on 20 acres?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-07-2014, 08:14 AM
Mr Brown’s property adjacent to the Historical District in Sumter County & Lake County.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/MrBrown_zps3960fad4.jpg
The rectangle in the upper part of your photo that is in Lake County is about 20 acres.
If you look just below the bottom of that rectangle you can count about 22 manufactured homes. It appears to me that he might be able to fit two streets in there. So that would be 44 homes per street for a total of 88. I would think that courtyard villas might work better in there, but what do I know.
But...and this is a big but..... Brown's residence sits in the left hand third of that piece of property. Would the developer tear down a million dollar house in order to put up 88 homes?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-07-2014, 08:33 AM
Actually, after doing a little measuring on Google Earth. It looks to me that they could fit three streets of patio villas in there. That would be about 132 homes if he tears down the Brown residence.
Do we even know for sure if it is the developer that bought this property?
kstew43
07-07-2014, 08:45 AM
Actually, after doing a little measuring on Google Earth. It looks to me that they could fit three streets of patio villas in there. That would be about 132 homes if he tears down the Brown residence.
Do we even know for sure if it is the developer that bought this property?
it hasn't been filed in the Lake county tax appraiser as of yesterday. Sometimes takes a few weeks to catch up to the sales. Give it time, we will soon know....:thumbup: I'll be watching.....
graciegirl
07-07-2014, 09:01 AM
it hasn't been filed in the Lake county tax appraiser as of yesterday. Sometimes takes a few weeks to catch up to the sales. Give it time, we will soon know....:thumbup: I'll be watching.....
So...you think..that the Morses bought the Brown property?
Everyone,,,,we are talking about a yet unconfirmed thing here.
njbchbum
07-07-2014, 09:23 AM
So...you think..that the Morses bought the Brown property?
Everyone,,,,we are talking about a yet unconfirmed thing here.
graciegirl - One pot has been taken off the stove so TOTV needs another pot to stir! ;)
Without any access other than dirt roads into this area, is it likely that anyone else but the developer bought a landlocked piece of property? Would those 20 acres not need access from the highway too be viable for some purpose other than a new villages neighborhood?
Bonny
07-07-2014, 09:29 AM
It amazes me how some threads take on a life of their own.
Does anyone really know what the Morse family plans to do here if anything ?
Whatever they do, I'm sure it will be wonderful.
Majestic1
07-07-2014, 10:48 AM
It’s not so much as revitalizing the historical side, as there is no more affordable housing. There are more people that want seasonal homes at a reasonable price, than the inflated prices in the new areas. The historical side offers everything The Villages has. So why wouldn’t they buy the old, and make them new. Its all about sales.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-07-2014, 11:08 AM
I just went by that lot at the end of Bowersox and there are surveyor's flag up.
bkcunningham1
07-07-2014, 11:20 AM
I just went by that lot at the end of Bowersox and there are surveyor's flag up.
They are taking out trees on the property today. Trees right along the property of TV.
CFrance
07-07-2014, 11:55 AM
The plot thickens.
TVMayor
07-07-2014, 12:27 PM
I just went by that lot at the end of Bowersox and there are surveyor's flag up.
I was told by a real-estate person several years ago, if you buy property on the historical side it is best to not have a survey because if a big old tree was in the way of proper house placement Mr. Schwartz would instruct the installers to just move the house over. I guess that could result in a shift of the next house.
I will be watching for surveyors yelling “what the #@$%”.
kstew43
07-07-2014, 12:56 PM
So...you think..that the Morses bought the Brown property?
Everyone,,,,we are talking about a yet unconfirmed thing here.
if you really stop and think about it, who else would pay 1 million more than the property is worth ..... on a land locked plat....
my bet is the villages.....
just think about the guy who only paid 70k for the land in 1998.......Brown?......or whomever......he's sitting on $2,850 million..... now thats profit..... lucky guy.....
TVMayor
07-07-2014, 01:43 PM
So...you think..that the Morses bought the Brown property?
Everyone,,,,we are talking about a yet unconfirmed thing here.
I say no way 50,000 kids can walk across the Mexican/U.S. border and no way Mr. Brown sold his property to TV. Nobody is right 100% of the time. 50%?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-07-2014, 01:49 PM
I was told by a real-estate person several years ago, if you buy property on the historical side it is best to not have a survey because if a big old tree was in the way of proper house placement Mr. Schwartz would instruct the installers to just move the house over. I guess that could result in a shift of the next house.
I will be watching for surveyors yelling “what the #@$%”.
It seems that a lot of people have been told a lot of things by real estate agents. who knows which of them, if any, are true.
graciegirl
07-07-2014, 01:51 PM
if you really stop and think about it, who else would pay 1 million more than the property is worth ..... on a land locked plat....
my bet is the villages.....
just think about the guy who only paid 70k for the land in 1998.......Brown?......or whomever......he's sitting on $2,850 million..... now thats profit..... lucky guy.....
I have too much faith in Mr. Gary Morse to think he would EVER pay a million MORE than a property is worth. He didn't get where he is making dumb decisions. I have to think the property is worth what he paid for it IF he bought it...
but you all know I think he is a very smart man and he employs a herd of people around here and keeps the economy going. Keeping people employed keeps folks off welfare and gives them dignity and pride.
TVMayor
07-07-2014, 01:51 PM
They are taking out trees on the property today. Trees right along the property of TV.
If you go right up to Mr. Brown’s property line and look into his big, big, big back yard you will see he raises trees for landscaping and all of the trees have micro irrigation and that includes the trees and bushes along the property line. My guess is the trees being taken out were to be transplanted at a job site.
COCOMO
07-07-2014, 09:03 PM
It’s not so much as revitalizing the historical side, as there is no more affordable housing. There are more people that want seasonal homes at a reasonable price, than the inflated prices in the new areas. The historical side offers everything The Villages has. So why wouldn’t they buy the old, and make them new. Its all about sales.
Okay, I am looking for some honest opinions here...
Although we have never lived in a mobile/trailer/modular before, my husband and I were considering purchasing in the "historic" section. Although, I must admit it does makes me giggle every time I think of a 80's era mobile/trailer/modular as "historic" :1rotfl:
Our reasoning was that we could upgrade the unit to our taste and have, what seems to me, a nicer lot with the opportunity for a water or golf course view. Even after the rehab, we will be spending considerably less than the "newer" sections. many of which also need some updating.
It is not that we cannot afford a new(er) home, it is just value for the dollar. I would like us to be able to retire sooner than later as some health problems have popped up...
I would appreciate some honest opinions from others on the forum if there is a flaw in our thought process. Some comments on this forum made this section seem, well, less than desirable. I believed myself to be comfortable with the thought of living on the historic side, but, now I will be honest, I do not want to find ourselves a social pariah because of our neighborhood choice.
COCOMO
CFrance
07-07-2014, 09:14 PM
Okay, I am looking for some honest opinions here...
Although we have never lived in a mobile/trailer/modular before, my husband and I were considering purchasing in the "historic" section. Although, I must admit it does makes me giggle every time I think of a 80's era mobile/trailer/modular as "historic" :1rotfl:
Our reasoning was that we could upgrade the unit to our taste and have, what seems to me, a nicer lot with the opportunity for a water or golf course view. Even after the rehab, we will be spending considerably less than the "newer" sections. many of which also need some updating.
It is not that we cannot afford a new(er) home, it is just value for the dollar. I would like us to be able to retire sooner than later as some health problems have popped up...
I would appreciate some honest opinions from others on the forum if there is a flaw in our thought process. Some comments on this forum made this section seem, well, less than desirable. I believed myself to be comfortable with the thought of living on the historic side, but, now I will be honest, I do not want to find ourselves a social pariah because of our neighborhood choice.
COCOMO
Have you been down to look at the historic side? That would be the best way to decide. I believe many people have done what you're thinking of doing.
dbanks50
07-07-2014, 09:16 PM
We bought in the historic side this past December, and we have absolutely no regrets. We could afford more, but we didn't want to be a slave to our home. We already have one that consumes too much of our time and money. When it sells, our little "home" will be all we need. No matter what happens down the road, I'm sure our investment was a good one.
champion6
07-07-2014, 09:20 PM
zillow or trulia, you can choose which one you would like..... then you can check Lake county tax appraiser and find out who bought it, from whom and how much they paid...... all public information.....no guessing involved...
it hasn't been filed in the Lake county tax appraiser as of yesterday. Sometimes takes a few weeks to catch up to the sales. Give it time, we will soon know....:thumbup: I'll be watching.....So I'm wondering ... since Zillow and Trulia simply aggregate public real estate records, why isn't the information shown on Zillow found anywhere on Lake County's website? What is the source that Zillow is pulling from and why can't we access it?
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-07-2014, 09:20 PM
Okay, I am looking for some honest opinions here...
Although we have never lived in a mobile/trailer/modular before, my husband and I were considering purchasing in the "historic" section. Although, I must admit it does makes me giggle every time I think of a 80's era mobile/trailer/modular as "historic" :1rotfl:
Our reasoning was that we could upgrade the unit to our taste and have, what seems to me, a nicer lot with the opportunity for a water or golf course view. Even after the rehab, we will be spending considerably less than the "newer" sections. many of which also need some updating.
It is not that we cannot afford a new(er) home, it is just value for the dollar. I would like us to be able to retire sooner than later as some health problems have popped up...
I would appreciate some honest opinions from others on the forum if there is a flaw in our thought process. Some comments on this forum made this section seem, well, less than desirable. I believed myself to be comfortable with the thought of living on the historic side, but, now I will be honest, I do not want to find ourselves a social pariah because of our neighborhood choice.
COCOMO
There are tons of rental opportunities over here. You might consider coming down and renting a place for some time and the decide for yourself.
COCOMO
07-07-2014, 09:22 PM
CFrance - Thank you for your response. Yes, we will be in TV for a lifestyle visit in early October.
dBanks50 - It is nice to hear a similar story. Yes, we also have a too big home, which takes too much of our time and energy!
COCOMO
07-07-2014, 09:25 PM
There are tons of rental opportunities over here. You might consider coming down and renting a place for some time and the decide for yourself.
Thank you, Dr WOB, jr., that is a good idea. It is also nice to see that there are Beatlemaniacs in TV!
DigitalGranny
07-07-2014, 09:29 PM
COCOMO, we went through the exact same reasoning process as you are now several months ago. ( your post sounded like you were talking with us!). We did buy on the "historic" side, on a golf course, and we absolutely love it! There were already three additional structures on our home, and though it's a bit dated in decor, it's spacious and comfortable and in excellent condition! I love having mature landscaping, and neighbors on both sides who are original owners and live here full time. Everyone is so friendly, it's so easy to meet nice people here. We love every part of TV that we have seen, but this part just felt comfortable and homey to us. There are some really nice places up for sale right now. Good luck to you, and hope to see you here soon!
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-07-2014, 09:46 PM
Thank you, Dr WOB, jr., that is a good idea. It is also nice to see that there are Beatlemaniacs in TV!
Make sure to get to one of our meetings when you come down.
njbchbum
07-08-2014, 09:23 AM
So I'm wondering ... since Zillow and Trulia simply aggregate public real estate records, why isn't the information shown on Zillow found anywhere on Lake County's website? What is the source that Zillow is pulling from and why can't we access it?
Maybe because Zillow does not record property deeds nor even send the paperwork for filing to the County? That is done by the folks who conduct the property closing. And it is then up to the County office to "record" the sale and update their records.
I dont know wher Zillow pulls from - but - my guess would be from when/where the realtor who held the property for sale pulls it from the Multiple Listing Service where it was advertised; so as to make room for a new property to be listed for sale.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-08-2014, 11:25 AM
Maybe because Zillow does not record property deeds nor even send the paperwork for filing to the County? That is done by the folks who conduct the property closing. And it is then up to the County office to "record" the sale and update their records.
I dont know wher Zillow pulls from - but - my guess would be from when/where the realtor who held the property for sale pulls it from the Multiple Listing Service where it was advertised; so as to make room for a new property to be listed for sale.
Properties of The Villages doesn't belong to MLS. Even if they did, I don't know that MLS has the exact selling price.
njbchbum
07-08-2014, 11:34 AM
Properties of The Villages doesn't belong to MLS. Even if they did, I don't know that MLS has the exact selling price.
I don't believe the 20 land parcel was offered thru the villages sales group.
Do you have another idea that answers the questions "...why isn't the information shown on Zillow found anywhere on Lake County's website? What is the source that Zillow is pulling from and why can't we access it??
kstew43
07-08-2014, 11:46 AM
Properties of The Villages doesn't belong to MLS. Even if they did, I don't know that MLS has the exact selling price.
The villages realtor website "properties of the Villages" does not belong to any Board of Realtors which operate the MLS. Thus homes on there site would show only in there concept VLS that as far as my knowledge is not public. .
The MLS "Multiple Listing Service" will show any "paid member of there particular countys "board of realtors" all the information as soon as the listing agent enters the information into the MLS. How soon that information becomes public knowledge, I'm not exactly sure.
Zillow and Trulia must have some sort of agreement with the Boards to access there information..
graciegirl
07-08-2014, 11:51 AM
BUT.....did "it" really sell? Did "it" sell to TheVillages,inc???? Who cares WHO sold it? Who bought it, IF "it" was sold????? Who owned it before it was sold IF it was sold.
kstew43
07-08-2014, 11:54 AM
I don't believe the 20 land parcel was offered thru the villages sales group.
Do you have another idea that answers the questions "...why isn't the information shown on Zillow found anywhere on Lake County's website? What is the source that Zillow is pulling from and why can't we access it??
When I close a house, All the paper work, and if you have any been a buyer you know how much there is gets brought to my office for the office staff to handle.
The county gets the owner information in a timely manor, BUT not faster than I can go into the MLS and change the statis of my listing.
kstew43
07-08-2014, 11:58 AM
Alternate Key: 1237882 Parcel: 06-18-24-000200000500
Owner Name: BROWN RONALD D Millage: F001 (Unincorporated) : 14.5583
Owner Address: 900 BOWERSOX DR
LADY LAKE, FL 32159 Property Location: 900 BOWERSOX DR
LADY LAKE FL 32159
official county tax records......as of today.....
TVMayor
07-08-2014, 12:09 PM
440 Tarrson is in the city of Lady Lake so the building permit will be issued by the City of Lady Lake not Lake County. Permits for Lady Lake can not be viewed on the internet. The city has issued a permit to remove the existing structure but no permit has been issued for a new structure as of 7/8//14.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-08-2014, 12:23 PM
440 Tarrson is in the city of Lady Lake so the building permit will be issued by the City of Lady Lake not Lake County. Permits for Lady Lake can not be viewed on the internet. The city has issued a permit to remove the existing structure but no permit has been issued for a new structure as of 7/8//14.
I live not far from 440 Tarrson and I ride by there quite often on my bicycle. Yesterday that home was pretty much completely gone and they were just finishing up the debris removal.
If you can't see building permits online for Lady Lake, how did you know a permit had been issued to tear it down?
TVMayor
07-08-2014, 12:26 PM
I live not far from 440 Tarrson and I ride by there quite often on my bicycle. Yesterday that home was pretty much completely gone and they were just finishing up the debris removal.
If you can't see building permits online for Lady Lake, how did you know a permit had been issued to tear it down?
By phone.
TVMayor
07-08-2014, 12:29 PM
Alternate Key: 1237882 Parcel: 06-18-24-000200000500
Owner Name: BROWN RONALD D Millage: F001 (Unincorporated) : 14.5583
Owner Address: 900 BOWERSOX DR
LADY LAKE, FL 32159 Property Location: 900 BOWERSOX DR
LADY LAKE FL 32159
official county tax records......as of today.....
And then I realized the road Bowersox is in the Historical section of TV.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/900Bowersox_zpse184d12f.jpg
Schaumburger
07-08-2014, 02:25 PM
Okay, I am looking for some honest opinions here...
Although we have never lived in a mobile/trailer/modular before, my husband and I were considering purchasing in the "historic" section. Although, I must admit it does makes me giggle every time I think of a 80's era mobile/trailer/modular as "historic" :1rotfl:
Our reasoning was that we could upgrade the unit to our taste and have, what seems to me, a nicer lot with the opportunity for a water or golf course view. Even after the rehab, we will be spending considerably less than the "newer" sections. many of which also need some updating.
It is not that we cannot afford a new(er) home, it is just value for the dollar. I would like us to be able to retire sooner than later as some health problems have popped up...
I would appreciate some honest opinions from others on the forum if there is a flaw in our thought process. Some comments on this forum made this section seem, well, less than desirable. I believed myself to be comfortable with the thought of living on the historic side, but, now I will be honest, I do not want to find ourselves a social pariah because of our neighborhood choice.
COCOMO
COCOMO, I am only a TV wannabee (hopefully someday a TV resident). I have been renting a manufactured home in the Village of Silver Lake since Saturday. The house has been fully upgraded, and it is adorable. I would buy this house in a minute. In fact the reason I rented on the Historical Side this time was to see how I liked living in this area, and I really like living here, especially the mature landscaping. This is my sixth time renting in The Villages, and I have liked all areas I have rented in The Villages. Just my two cents.
kstew43
07-08-2014, 03:14 PM
And then I realized the road Bowersox is in the Historical section of TV.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/900Bowersox_zpse184d12f.jpg
a little search can tell a lot..... and actually according to zillow and trulia, something may also be up manufactured homes on Bowersox...... can't figure out what the hollow circles mean on zillow.
can't tell as of yet whats doing......
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-08-2014, 07:42 PM
a little search can tell a lot..... and actually according to zillow and trulia, something may also be up manufactured homes on Bowersox...... can't figure out what the hollow circles mean on zillow.
can't tell as of yet whats doing......
There are two post and chain across the opening in the trees at the end of that dirt path.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-08-2014, 07:47 PM
And then I realized the road Bowersox is in the Historical section of TV.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/900Bowersox_zpse184d12f.jpg
There are two post and chain across the opening in the trees at the end of that dirt path. This path was brought up as a possible alternative to the Paradise gate when the great wall went up,
bkcunningham1
07-08-2014, 08:08 PM
Winston, did you happen to notice the doublewide they are removing from the corner of Schwartz and Lauren Lane? They aren't razing the home. They are moving the home so it has obviously been sold. It will be interesting to see what replaces that nice manufactured home. I don't think it has anything to do with the properties Mr. Morse has bought. I just thought I'd throw it out there and ask if you'd noticed while you were driving around the hood.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-08-2014, 09:30 PM
Winston, did you happen to notice the doublewide they are removing from the corner of Schwartz and Lauren Lane? They aren't razing the home. They are moving the home so it has obviously been sold. It will be interesting to see what replaces that nice manufactured home. I don't think it has anything to do with the properties Mr. Morse has bought. I just thought I'd throw it out there and ask if you'd noticed while you were driving around the hood.
I usually go by that corner on my bike ride, but I didn't notice it yesterday.
TVMayor
07-08-2014, 09:50 PM
There are two post and chain across the opening in the trees at the end of that dirt path.
More accurately it is not a chain it is a cable. The cable has a loop at one end that goes over a hook in a wooded post. The cable can be dropped to the ground for access. This cable setup is outside of The Village boundary.
dotti105
07-09-2014, 12:16 AM
I am fascinated by this thread!
You guys could make a fantastic detective team!! It certainly looks like that landlocked property will be subdivided in the near future.
With the renovation of Orange Blossom club and pool and TV purchasing some of the lesser maintained properties, it looks to me as if the Morse family has made a commitment to keep the historic section's values up and keep the residents happy.
That in itself is amazing commitment on the part of any developer. Most make their $$ and off they go. Never to be seen again.
The a Villages is different in so many ways. Much having to do with the developer 's commitment to quality, long after it would be expected !
I think that's called integrity.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-09-2014, 08:57 AM
I am fascinated by this thread!
You guys could make a fantastic detective team!! It certainly looks like that landlocked property will be subdivided in the near future.
With the renovation of Orange Blossom club and pool and TV purchasing some of the lesser maintained properties, it looks to me as if the Morse family has made a commitment to keep the historic section's values up and keep the residents happy.
That in itself is amazing commitment on the part of any developer. Most make their $$ and off they go. Never to be seen again.
The a Villages is different in so many ways. Much having to do with the developer 's commitment to quality, long after it would be expected !
I think that's called integrity.
The thing that is puzzling is that he's not buying up some of the lesser maintained properties. he's buying and razing perfectly good homes. There are plenty of poorly maintained properties over here, many of which have been abandoned. I supposed he has to wait for the courts to clear them for sale but I would think that with all his clout he could get some of those cases expedited and buy up some of these abandoned properties.
I was told by a realtor a while back (and I think that this is nothing but speculation on his part) that The Historical District will be almost all site built homes in about 20 years or so. That's going to be difficult because many people are replacing older manufactured homes with newer manufactured homes. I don't see them getting sold to be torn down in twenty years.
On the other hand, my neighbor was considering tearing down his house and replacing it was a new much larger manufactured home, but is now considering a site built home.
Patty55
07-09-2014, 09:05 AM
I am fascinated by this thread!
You guys could make a fantastic detective team!! It certainly looks like that landlocked property will be subdivided in the near future.
With the renovation of Orange Blossom club and pool and TV purchasing some of the lesser maintained properties, it looks to me as if the Morse family has made a commitment to keep the historic section's values up and keep the residents happy.
That in itself is amazing commitment on the part of any developer. Most make their $$ and off they go. Never to be seen again.
The a Villages is different in so many ways. Much having to do with the developer 's commitment to quality, long after it would be expected !
I think that's called integrity.
Are the residents happy? Don't seem too happy to me.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-09-2014, 09:08 AM
Are the residents happy? Don't seem too happy to me.
I don't know why you say that. I'm very happy with him doing this. Hopefully it will drive our home values up.
DigitalGranny
07-09-2014, 09:31 AM
Actually, the developers' continued interest in the historic side (renovation of the country club, pool, and golf course) was part of our recent decision to buy there. It's going to be kept nice, and that makes our investment more secure! Happy to hear!
graciegirl
07-09-2014, 09:44 AM
We drove some new friends through the historic side last night and it's beauty and tall trees and large lots...and smaller lots with cozy homes and newer homes too... never cease to amaze me. From the oldest part to the very newest part, each home in The Villages is someone's beloved home. Their shelter from the storms of life and their launching pad for all kinds of fun activities and places for friends tp visit.
We are all older citizens living here in a very wonderful part of our lives. The size and age of our homes are different, just as we all are different but so similar in many ways.
Marion
07-09-2014, 09:44 AM
Are the residents happy? Don't seem too happy to me.
We're happy too. Grateful everyday to be here in The Villages and on the historic side which we think is so beautiful and peaceful.
Patty55
07-09-2014, 09:46 AM
I don't know why you say that. I'm very happy with him doing this. Hopefully it will drive our home values up.
I guess my interpretation of this thread was way off. I thought people were concerned in a negative way.
Yes, replacing the rundown properties would be a good thing but not if it eliminates the eclectic atmosphere and turns the area into another invasion of the clones.
At any rate, I have no dog in this fight and enjoy reading the results of everyone's research-you guys are good.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-09-2014, 10:00 AM
We drove some new friends through the historic side last night and it's beauty and tall trees and large lots...and smaller lots with cozy homes and newer homes too... never cease to amaze me. From the oldest part to the very newest part, each home in The Villages is someone's beloved home. Their shelter from the storms of life and their launching pad for all kinds of fun activities and places for friends tp visit.
We are all older citizens living here in a very wonderful part of our lives. The size and age of our homes are different, just as we all are different but so similar in many ways.
Actually I think that the vast majority of the lots are the same size, 60' X 90'. I think that some people get the impression that the lots are larger over here because the homes are so much smaller. When some of the older manufactured homes get replaced with either newer larger manufactured homes or site built homes the lots tend to look much smaller.
Halibut
07-09-2014, 10:18 AM
I guess my interpretation of this thread was way off. I thought people were concerned in a negative way.
Yes, replacing the rundown properties would be a good thing but not if it eliminates the eclectic atmosphere and turns the area into another invasion of the clones.
Patty, I agree with you about the clones but am guardedly optimistic about any (alleged) changes. Nobody can force residents to sell and I'd guess most of us are very happy right where we are.
My overall concern is the continued availability of affordable housing options in TV. Also, as others have said, I don't see how it makes good financial sense to spend $100K to buy a property and another $100K (guesstimate) to build a new home that would need to be sold for $250K. Don't buyers who want new homes also want to be in new neighborhoods? There's a lot of talk here about those being younger and more welcoming.
I just don't understand the economics of it. I also don't believe the Morse family would deliberately set out to lose money "revitalizing" the historic section out of sense of nostalgia.
graciegirl
07-09-2014, 10:35 AM
Patty, I agree with you about the clones but am guardedly optimistic about any (alleged) changes. Nobody can force residents to sell and I'd guess most of us are very happy right where we are.
My overall concern is the continued availability of affordable housing options in TV. Also, as others have said, I don't see how it makes good financial sense to spend $100K to buy a property and another $100K (guesstimate) to build a new home that would need to be sold for $250K. Don't buyers who want new homes also want to be in new neighborhoods? There's a lot of talk here about those being younger and more welcoming.
I just don't understand the economics of it. I also don't believe the Morse family would deliberately set out to lose money "revitalizing" the historic section out of sense of nostalgia.
This is my opinion and my opinion only. I don't think there is ANY plan but to buy up some less expensive properties and to build on them. Resell them, do the magic they know how to do. Good builders, new landscaping, new everything.Keep all of their building teams employed and sell at a profit. As for affordable housing options? All of these issues are market driven. It is a privilege, rather than a right to live here. Something that not every person who wants to live here can afford to do. Just as retiring is not going to be a right if things keep up the way they are going. People will have to do what we did and plan for this time of their lives or they will have to continue to work.
Up until now there were options to buy here ranging from about 60k to over a million. Now the entry level is more expensive. That is just what happens and it is happening everywhere. It is adding value to the homes of the people who had the foresight to buy here.
njbchbum
07-09-2014, 12:09 PM
Patty, I agree with you about the clones but am guardedly optimistic about any (alleged) changes. Nobody can force residents to sell and I'd guess most of us are very happy right where we are.
My overall concern is the continued availability of affordable housing options in TV. Also, as others have said, I don't see how it makes good financial sense to spend $100K to buy a property and another $100K (guesstimate) to build a new home that would need to be sold for $250K. Don't buyers who want new homes also want to be in new neighborhoods? There's a lot of talk here about those being younger and more welcoming.
I just don't understand the economics of it. I also don't believe the Morse family would deliberately set out to lose money "revitalizing" the historic section out of sense of nostalgia.
Yes, Halibut, many posting here do indicate a desire to be in the recently developed villages. My guess is that there is more comaraderie among newbies all in the same boat of establishing themselves as opposed to venturing into an area that already has accomplished those hurdles.
Perhaps they fear the task of becoming integrated or they feel the established residents will see them as interlopers. I offer that explanation as those were feelings my sister expressed when she recently took ownership of her home in a S.C. reitrement community.
Fact is, our historic side is rapidly becoming more like 'the legacy side'. Longer term residents are passing away, moving back to be near children who will care for them, or moving to assisted living facilities. Their homes are being transferred to their children/relatives who are younger in age and/or are being purchased for the reasons posted in this thread by recent new arrivals.
The historic/legacy side has but one future other villages do not necessarily have - our residents will be getting younger rather than older.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-09-2014, 09:18 PM
Yes, Halibut, many posting here do indicate a desire to be in the recently developed villages. My guess is that there is more comaraderie among newbies all in the same boat of establishing themselves as opposed to venturing into an area that already has accomplished those hurdles.
Perhaps they fear the task of becoming integrated or they feel the established residents will see them as interlopers. I offer that explanation as those were feelings my sister expressed when she recently took ownership of her home in a S.C. reitrement community.
Fact is, our historic side is rapidly becoming more like 'the legacy side'. Longer term residents are passing away, moving back to be near children who will care for them, or moving to assisted living facilities. Their homes are being transferred to their children/relatives who are younger in age and/or are being purchased for the reasons posted in this thread by recent new arrivals.
The historic/legacy side has but one future other villages do not necessarily have - our residents will be getting younger rather than older.
Excellent point!
Stitcher girl
07-10-2014, 08:46 AM
surely something to watch and keep an eye on.......the historic side has a lot of character and it is a shame that some of the homes have fallen into disrepair.....kudos to the developer to buy and renew in the area....it will help property values and that is a good thing for all the current residents.
stroglass
07-10-2014, 01:25 PM
We bought our home on the historic side in November an d are working to upgrade it ,We love this side and would not consider any other place even thought we could afford a newer home this is what fits our life now .The historical side has such character .As an owner on this side I wel
come updates but don't want to loses what we have here by putting in homes that are over sided and look out of place. Any up grades to the area will only enhance my homes value.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-10-2014, 06:41 PM
Winston, did you happen to notice the doublewide they are removing from the corner of Schwartz and Lauren Lane? They aren't razing the home. They are moving the home so it has obviously been sold. It will be interesting to see what replaces that nice manufactured home. I don't think it has anything to do with the properties Mr. Morse has bought. I just thought I'd throw it out there and ask if you'd noticed while you were driving around the hood.
That home will be destroyed and replaced with a home by Bay Manufactured Homes.
Bay Manufactured Homes of Tampa, FL (http://www.baymanufacturedhomes.com/images.html)
Eastwind53
07-10-2014, 06:52 PM
You are all wrong , The developer is in the process buying between 30 and 70 homes on the east side. The homes are going to different locations in Florida. They are being replaced by stick build houses. Confirmed by Lady Lake building department and those who are removing them.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-10-2014, 06:54 PM
Personally I loved the explanation by someone of "trailers" vs "manufactured" homes. While in MIchigan (23 years) I lived near a factory that built two piece homes, delivered them, set them up and wham bam you have a home. They were called "manufactured" homes. Near there was another plant that built "metal siding" homes called "trailers". Same thing, built, delivered, set up.
Most "trailers" or whatever we choose to call them seem to have vertically placed metal siding whereas manufactured homes had aluminum or vinyl siding placed horizontally. To me, the manufactured homes were very well built due in fact to being built/assembled inside rather than outside where quality is sometimes sacrificed due to -20 degree whether. My husband placed a lot of telephone wiring in site built homes and apartments and was often told to "hurry up so we can hide the defects in the studs/walls, etc.
Remember rock throwers, this is my opinion only and opinions can't be wrong
The siding has nothing to do with whether a home is a trailer, manufactured home, modular home or site built. There are a several older homes that have that vertical siding. Most, like mine have been resided with horizontal aluminum siding and some with vinyl. I see houses that are identical to mine except for the fact that they still have their original siding.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-10-2014, 07:04 PM
Doc - I do believe that back in the 60s the structures WERE trailers. I can recall riding to FL many times as a child and saw with my own eyes the homes that sat on wheels in many a trailer park community on the back roads where we drove thru the Carolina pines where workers collected sap n buckets from the trees and along RT 301 in FL. Those structures did have vertical siding as was described; and those who had more $$ than others chose to skirt their homes rather than leave the undercarriage exposed as some did.
Your opinions are always appreciated, but not when they attempt to distort or contradict what others have actually experienced. Up until 10/15 years ago we could still find trailer parks out in the woodlands of PA! They were placed there for tourists and have now pretty much been replaced by the big bucks rolling motor homes of subsequent generations of tourists!
There is no doubt that many poor people, especially in the south lived in trailers. We have all seen them with kids playing out front and a clothesline attached. Those are indeed trailers and they are very different from a manufactured home. I think this is why some people feel a bit insulted when you refer to their home as a trailer.
A trailer is a camper. Some people chose, or were forced to live in them. You can still buy them and see them everywhere around here. They are a completely different animal than a manufactured home.
janmcn
07-10-2014, 07:15 PM
The Villages on-line news is currently reporting that 30 manufactured homes will be replaced with site-built homes which will sell "at a much higher price". Read all about it on their website, complete with photos.
njbchbum
07-10-2014, 07:42 PM
The Villages on-line news is currently reporting that 30 manufactured homes will be replaced with site-built homes which will sell "at a much higher price". Read all about it on their website, complete with photos.
Thanx for that up-date!
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-10-2014, 09:17 PM
The Villages on-line news is currently reporting that 30 manufactured homes will be replaced with site-built homes which will sell "at a much higher price". Read all about it on their website, complete with photos.
Wow!! I am shocked. That home that they show on the ************** at 530 Tarrson was just bought and rehabbed. when it was sold for $39,000 I though that it would be torn down and replaced. Instead a guy moved in and began working on it. He evidently put a lot of money into it because about six months later he flipped it for $86,000.
I'm not sure that one is being replaced. I rode by it today and it looked like they were adding some shrubs. But, I could be wrong.
bkcunningham1
07-11-2014, 05:25 AM
If someone owns a manufactured home in the middle of stickbuilt homes, will the value of the manufactured home go up? Or vice versa. If someone owns a stick built home in the middle of manufactured homes, what does it do to the value of the stick built home?
graciegirl
07-11-2014, 05:32 AM
If someone owns a manufactured home in the middle of stickbuilt homes, will the value of the manufactured home go up? Or vice versa. If someone owns a stick built home in the middle of manufactured homes, what does it do to the value of the stick built home?
A rising tide lifts all boats.
bkcunningham1
07-11-2014, 05:36 AM
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Thank you, Gracie. That was sugar in my morning coffee.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-11-2014, 06:27 AM
You are all wrong , The developer is in the process buying between 30 and 70 homes on the east side. The homes are going to different locations in Florida. They are being replaced by stick build houses. Confirmed by Lady Lake building department and those who are removing them.
Well, the home at 440 Tarrson isn't going to be relocated anywhere. It was flattened. I watched it happen. It does appear that the Parker Place house was being moved.
There is a lot of activity over here and some of it might just be coincidental. 440 Tarrson was demolished and the house on the corner of Lauren and Schwartz is being replace with a new manufactured home. These might not have anything to do with the developer. It could be the owners themselves upgrading.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-11-2014, 06:35 AM
If someone owns a manufactured home in the middle of stickbuilt homes, will the value of the manufactured home go up? Or vice versa. If someone owns a stick built home in the middle of manufactured homes, what does it do to the value of the stick built home?
Both will happen. Conventional wisdom has always been that, from a strictly financial perspective, you are much better off owning the least expensive house on you street than the most expensive. The value of the most expensive will be brought down a bit because of the surrounding homes and the opposite will be true for the least expensive.
It also depends on how many homes of differing values there are in a area. If you built a million dollar home in the middle of the historic district, it would not be worth as much as the same home in the most expensive neighborhoods. However if you put twenty of those homes on a small street they would begin to make the area more desirable and the surrounding homes more valuable.
The opposite would also be true. If you put a $100,000 manufactured homes in the middle of a neighborhood of million dollar homes, the value of those more expensive home would begin to come down.
graciegirl
07-11-2014, 07:19 AM
Here is what I think will happen, and I don't have a crystal ball. I am guessing that they will build ranches with some lovely landscaping and sell them for $150k up. They are very good at assessing what is the best fit and what the market will handle. They have had a few mistakes; they overpriced the cottages on Lake Sumter initially. Sometimes what people will pay for things is surprising, but the grown up people who are the potential buyers, this isn't their first rodeo. Most of us have bought and sold several homes on our way here.
But I think it is a win-win situation. It is one of the things I like about living here, watching it all work out far better than anyone could think.
I know. I know. Shoot me.
TVMayor
07-11-2014, 07:40 AM
Here is what I think will happen, and I don't have a crystal ball. I am guessing that they will build ranches with some lovely landscaping and sell them for $150k up. They are very good at assessing what is the best fit and what the market will handle. They have had a few mistakes; they overpriced the cottages on Lake Sumter initially. Sometimes what people will pay for things is surprising, but the grown up people who are the potential buyers, this isn't their first rodeo. Most of us have bought and sold several homes on our way here.
But I think it is a win-win situation. It is one of the things I like about living here, watching it all work out far better than anyone could think.
I know. I know. Shoot me.
He pays $100,000 for a house, removes house, builds new house and sells it for $150K.
That would be $50,000 for house, landscaping, profit and commission to TV sales office.
It just does not add up for me. I look forward to the day when it is finished and I can say, I get it, good idea. That day will come.
graciegirl
07-11-2014, 07:58 AM
He pays $100,000 for a house, removes house, builds new house and sells it for $150K.
That would be $50,000 for house, landscaping, profit and commission to TV sales office.
It just does not add up for me. I look forward to the day when it is finished and I can say, I get it, good idea. That day will come.
He didn't pay $100k for ALL of them. Some were in the $60- $70k range, correct me if I am wrong. The developer has his business plan and his margins. We will wait and see. I don't expect him to build homes there and try to market them for over 300K. At least right now. It may come. That wouldn't be bad. Just sad for those who waited too long.
BUT, now that I think about it, Patio Villa's are selling for right around $185K, they have gone up from around $140K in the last year. So the starting price for homes in the historic section that the developer is building may be more.
Marion
07-11-2014, 08:45 AM
There are already homes here in the historic section selling for 180K plus this year. Didn't seem to be that way last year, but they are selling and selling quite fast. They seem to be primarily golf course or waterfront homes.
njbchbum
07-11-2014, 09:11 AM
There is no doubt that many poor people, especially in the south lived in trailers. We have all seen them with kids playing out front and a clothesline attached. Those are indeed trailers and they are very different from a manufactured home. I think this is why some people feel a bit insulted when you refer to their home as a trailer.
A trailer is a camper. Some people chose, or were forced to live in them. You can still buy them and see them everywhere around here. They are a completely different animal than a manufactured home.
Doc - Why do you stereotype the folks as POOR? My husband's family and their friends ALL had trailers in a Florida trailer park in Riviera Beach for their SECOND HOME! They drove back and forth to Florida in their cadillacs and brought home those nasty plastic pink flamingos [which I think were wood back then] and put them in their front yard as an indication that they had "arrived" as far as their status in life was concerned! Those collecting sap might have been a good degree poorer - but they had jobs and were very proud of that!
Sheesh!
justjim
07-11-2014, 09:33 AM
When you have more money than you really need----to me you are rich. I would argue most of us fall into that category.
A couple of years ago I met a man in TV who told me he owned 2O rentals---most of which he said was on the historical side of TV. I bet he is happy (assuming he still owns them) and I'm happy to see what the Developer is doing on the Historical side of TV.
memason
07-11-2014, 09:49 AM
The Developer has many revenue streams, of which, real estate is only one. It's not always important that every stream be profitable at all times. There are strategic reasons to actually loose profitability on a stream at one point or another.
I can think of several strategic reasons the Developer might decide to update the historic villages, even at a seemingly loss of profitability.
It's quiet common for large corporation to loose money on certain products for strategic reasons.
I'll be interested to see what transpires in the coming months/years...
Jayhawk
07-11-2014, 10:43 AM
The Developer has many revenue streams, of which, real estate is only one. It's not always important that every stream be profitable at all times. There are strategic reasons to actually loose profitability on a stream at one point or another.
I can think of several strategic reasons the Developer might decide to update the historic villages, even at a seemingly loss of profitability.
It's quiet common for large corporation to loose money on certain products for strategic reasons.
I'll be interested to see what transpires in the coming months/years...
Excellent, and accurate, points.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-11-2014, 12:22 PM
Doc - Why do you stereotype the folks as POOR? My husband's family and their friends ALL had trailers in a Florida trailer park in Riviera Beach for their SECOND HOME! They drove back and forth to Florida in their cadillacs and brought home those nasty plastic pink flamingos [which I think were wood back then] and put them in their front yard as an indication that they had "arrived" as far as their status in life was concerned! Those collecting sap might have been a good degree poorer - but they had jobs and were very proud of that!
Sheesh!
Really? This is what you want to pick on from that post? I have no doubt that there might have been some people that had trailers that they may have left in trailer parks year round to use a second home, but I think that the majority of people who were living in trailers were poor.
I don't know why anyone would do what you say, but if you say your relatives did it, I believe you. Instead of pulling their trailer down here and renting space in a trailer park for three or four months, they left their trailers here and paid the park rent year round.
The purpose of my post was to explain the difference between a trailer and a manufactured home but some people do not want to let go of their preconceived notions.
I'll say it again. A trailer is something that is meant to be pulled behind a car or pickup truck. They are designed to be easily moved for for travel. Although they may have been used as permanent housing by some people or even as winter homes by some people, that is not the purpose for which they are built.
A manufactured home is delivered to a site on wheels. The wheels are removed and the house is more or less permanently set up on a piece of property. They are usually set on stacks of concrete blocks and have an extensive tie down system. It is usually not practical to move a manufactured home. They are not trailers.
Some people live in their car. That does not mean that cars are houses.
There are plenty of trailer parks around. Some are called campgrounds. some of these parks have both permanently placed manufactured homes and trailers on the same site.
graciegirl
07-11-2014, 12:37 PM
Is the inference that manufactured homes are not well-built? They do have to meet building codes. (http://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1501-20490-7051/fema_p85_ch2.txt) Excerpt from FEMA: Modular, panelized, and pre-cut homes must comply with the same State and local building codes as “site stick built” codes. Manufactured homes must meet HUD regulations.
Manufactured homes (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/housing/ramh/mhs/faq) are constructed according to a code administered by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD Code). The HUD Code, unlike conventional building codes, requires manufactured homes to be constructed on a permanent chassis.
Most manufactured homes are on piers with poured concrete footings. As other have said, there are no slabs.
I didn't mean it that way. I had always thought that manufactured homes were a danger during strong winds, but Jim, Dr. Boogie, pointed out to me that was not so, they are securely strapped down. My point was that renovating and refurbishing and building new homes in a community usually brings up property values and that is a plus to the people who live ANYWHERE.
graciegirl
07-11-2014, 12:55 PM
The Developer has many revenue streams, of which, real estate is only one. It's not always important that every stream be profitable at all times. There are strategic reasons to actually loose profitability on a stream at one point or another.
I can think of several strategic reasons the Developer might decide to update the historic villages, even at a seemingly loss of profitability.
It's quiet common for large corporation to loose money on certain products for strategic reasons.
I'll be interested to see what transpires in the coming months/years...
Good thinking.
manaboutown
07-11-2014, 03:04 PM
In my experience trailers and mobile homes are classified as vehicles and require license plates mounted on them when they are transported down a public road. Although they come with axles and wheels these are usually removed and the trailer/mobile home supported on concrete blocks or by other means. At one time in one state with which I am familiar as long as the owner of the trailer/mobile home kept the license plate on the trailer/mobile home he did not have to pay real property taxes on it although he of course had to on the lot.
About 30 years ago a real estate broker friend of mine had a nice looking office on a major commercial street in the largest city in that state. One day he told me it was a trailer/mobile home and showed me the license tag on it. I never would have guessed that to be the case. He told me it was cheaper to keep it licensed as a trailer/mobile home than to pay real property taxes on it as an improvement.
I imagine a manufactured home would not be built with an axle and wheels. It would be transported on a flat bed trailer which carries a license plate. The manufactured home would never itself be licensed as a vehicle as would a trailer or mobile home. When it is positioned on a lot it would be designated as an improvement on its lot and taxed as such.
NoMoSno
07-11-2014, 03:28 PM
Where I'm from,
Camping trailers went to campgrounds.
House trailers went to trailer parks.
1970s TRAILER PARK WITH ROWS OF MOBILE HOMES ON EITHER SIDE OF GRAVEL ROAD - Stock Photos (http://www.masterfile.com/stock-photography/image/846-02795646/1970s-TRAILER-PARK-WITH-ROWS-OF-MOBILE-HOMES-ON-EITHER-SIDE-OF-GRAVEL-ROAD)
However, I don't consider the Historic area, a trailer park...
CFrance
07-11-2014, 04:19 PM
Really? This is what you want to pick on from that post? I have no doubt that there might have been some people that had trailers that they may have left in trailer parks year round to use a second home, but I think that the majority of people who were living in trailers were poor.
I don't know why anyone would do what you say, but if you say your relatives did it, I believe you. Instead of pulling their trailer down here and renting space in a trailer park for three or four months, they left their trailers here and paid the park rent year round.
The purpose of my post was to explain the difference between a trailer and a manufactured home but some people do not want to let go of their preconceived notions.
I'll say it again. A trailer is something that is meant to be pulled behind a car or pickup truck. They are designed to be easily moved for for travel. Although they may have been used as permanent housing by some people or even as winter homes by some people, that is not the purpose for which they are built.
A manufactured home is delivered to a site on wheels. The wheels are removed and the house is more or less permanently set up on a piece of property. They are usually set on stacks of concrete blocks and have an extensive tie down system. It is usually not practical to move a manufactured home. They are not trailers.
Some people live in their car. That does not mean that cars are houses.
There are plenty of trailer parks around. Some are called campgrounds. some of these parks have both permanently placed manufactured homes and trailers on the same site.
Lots of people do it, and have done it for decades. The RV parks have sites for trailers to be parked permanently. The owners stay there every winter, and in the summer when they go home, the electricity and water is shut off and they are charged a very nominal "storage" fee. This makes money for the RV park during a time when very little people are traveling, and the park is nearly empty.
Our friends from Michigan have had their trailer permanently stationed at an RV park in Peace River for years. They pay $900/mo rent in the winter and $600 total for the summer months.
We've known people whose parents did this even back in the '80s.
bkcunningham1
07-11-2014, 05:05 PM
My thinking is that he may already own these homes in the form of a mortgage. Plus, not every home that is being sold over here is being bought by Mr. Morse. None of us know. We are all speculating. This thread is full of half-truths and guesses. It is a fun thread. It is like reading the National Enquirer. I keep waiting on someone to tell about seeing Babe the Blue Ox pulling a trailer out of the historic section.
dirtbanker
07-11-2014, 09:49 PM
A manufactured home is delivered to a site on wheels.
The wheels are removed and the house is more or less permanently set up on a piece of property..... They are not trailers.
No, at that point they are trailers with the wheels pulled off.
Dude, get over it....or buy a bigger table cloth!
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-12-2014, 08:17 AM
Lots of people do it, and have done it for decades. The RV parks have sites for trailers to be parked permanently. The owners stay there every winter, and in the summer when they go home, the electricity and water is shut off and they are charged a very nominal "storage" fee. This makes money for the RV park during a time when very little people are traveling, and the park is nearly empty.
Our friends from Michigan have had their trailer permanently stationed at an RV park in Peace River for years. They pay $900/mo rent in the winter and $600 total for the summer months.
We've known people whose parents did this even back in the '80s.
I wasn't aware of that, but I have no doubt that it's true. It must be either less expensive or more convenient to leave the trailers there.
As far as I'm concerned, this whole discussion is getting a bit absurd. People are taking offense at things that are not intended to be offensive. I am only trying to establish that there is a difference between a trailer, which is designed to be easily moved and pulled behind a car or pickup truck and a manufactured home which is designed to be place relatively permanently on a lot.
Manufactured homes used to be called mobile homes. In fact some people wrongly referred to them as trailers.
Manufactured homes (mobile homes) are not trailers. That is the only point I'm trying to make.
Just because someone parks a trailer more or less permanently in a trailer park or campground does not make it the same as a manufactured home.
I want to apologize to anyone who is offended by anything that I have said but I think that the difference between trailers and manufactured homes that I have described is correct.
I don't think that that's really the point of any of this thread.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-12-2014, 08:20 AM
No, at that point they are trailers with the wheels pulled off.
Dude, get over it....or buy a bigger table cloth!
Why do you have this need to insult those of us who live in manufactured homes?
Articles have been posted here describing the difference. An article has been posted explaining that at one time they were called mobile homes but the correct term currently used is manufactured home.
CFrance
07-12-2014, 08:23 AM
I wasn't aware of that, but I have no doubt that it's true. It must be either less expensive or more convenient to leave the trailers there.
As far as I'm concerned, this whole discussion is getting a bit absurd. People are taking offense at things that are not intended to be offensive. I am only trying to establish that there is a difference between a trailer, which is designed to be easily moved and pulled behind a car or pickup truck and a manufactured home which is designed to be place relatively permanently on a lot.
Manufactured homes used to be called mobile homes. In fact some people wrongly referred to them as trailers.
Manufactured homes (mobile homes) are not trailers. That is the only point I'm trying to make.
Just because someone parks a trailer more or less permanently in a trailer park or campground does not make it the same as a manufactured home.
I want to apologize to anyone who is offended by anything that I have said but I think that the difference between trailers and manufactured homes that I have described is correct.
I don't think that that's really the point of any of this thread.
Yep. Time to get back to the original intent of the thread, which as someone pointed out (BK?) has been fun to read.
rksimp
07-12-2014, 10:06 AM
I talked to a person on one of those sites…. he said he worked for the developer and they have 30 properties bought. The will replace all the manufactured homes with site built homes. They have started removing them about a week ago…
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME….
Marion
07-12-2014, 10:49 AM
For those who still seem to consider manufactured homes as "trailers" I suggest that you go to this site:
The Villages - Search for New, Pre-owned Homes and Villas in The Villages, Florida (http://www.thevillages.com/HomeFinder/Results/detail/S697.8)
It might give you a slightly different perspective since it is selling for over 700K.:smiley:
Jayhawk
07-29-2014, 06:38 AM
Anything new to report on this from the folks who live in the area? The historic area is really a nice part of The Villages and it's great to hear about the on-going actions to keep it that way.
graciegirl
07-29-2014, 07:24 AM
Anything new to report on this from the folks who live in the area? The historic area is really a nice part of The Villages and it's great to hear about the on-going actions to keep it that way.
I was longing for some news too.
TVMayor
07-29-2014, 08:00 AM
Progress report, the property that is on Tarrson and backs up to Griffin (2) have had homes removed and one of the properties has had an out door toilet placed at the front of the property. Another house has been removed on Parker a couple of doors away from the toilet. Other properties in question are not in my traffic pattern.
2BNTV
07-29-2014, 09:12 AM
Anything new to report on this from the folks who live in the area? The historic area is really a nice part of The Villages and it's great to hear about the on-going actions to keep it that way.
A person I met at the MVP gym informed me that she has moved into the historic section and said that 50 homes were purchased by the developer, for upgrading to newer homes.
I can't substantiate her claim, but why would she need to spread any rumors. I heard previously from a VLS agent it was 40 homes.
I think it will improve the neighborhood. IMHO
janmcn
07-29-2014, 10:29 AM
There are plenty of manufactured homes for sale ranging in price from $90,000 to $155,000 plus, for anyone who wants to buy one.
dbanks50
07-29-2014, 10:37 AM
An agent told me 70 have been bought. He understood that new manufactured homes would go in. As far as property values, he said the land value would increase, but a 30 year old home is still a 30 year old home. We bought late last year and were going to gut ours and remodel it. Rethinking that now. We will enjoy what we have until we sell our out of state home. We will either have them put a newer home on our lot or sell and buy something new(er).
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-29-2014, 11:30 AM
Progress report, the property that is on Tarrson and backs up to Griffin (2) have had homes removed and one of the properties has had an out door toilet placed at the front of the property. Another house has been removed on Parker a couple of doors away from the toilet. Other properties in question are not in my traffic pattern.
I looked at the permit for that house and it's only a permit for demolition and removal. There was not building permit in the dropbox as of last week. I'll take another look next time I go by.
The one on the corner of Lauren and West Schwartz has a building permit for a manufactured home.
Chi-Town
07-29-2014, 11:31 AM
The new POA bulletin said that 40 properties were purchased, and the reason is that they would be unisurable at resale.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-29-2014, 11:34 AM
I was told by a neighbor that the developer is buying up homes of people who have mortgages and want to get out. No word on what they will be replacing them with.
I also heard that they are supposedly taking the manufactured homes that they bought and moving them, furniture and all to a new site outside of The Villages. It's hard for me to believe that they can split these double wides and move them to a new site with the furniture still inside them.
dirtbanker
07-29-2014, 05:07 PM
there is a difference between a trailer, which is designed to be easily moved and pulled behind a car or pickup truck and a manufactured home which is designed to be place relatively permanently on a lot.
It's hard for me to believe that they can split these double wides and move them to a new site with the furniture still inside them.
Pull the skirting off and throw the wheels back on???
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-31-2014, 11:29 AM
The house permit at 440 Tarrson still is only for demolition. No building permit as of yet.
They are beginning to tear down another house at 1016 Matthew Ave.
Another one has been taken down at Parker Rd. No building permit yet, just a demolition permit.
njbchbum
07-31-2014, 01:04 PM
They are beginning to tear down another house at 1016 Matthew Ave.
Is that the house next door to the one that was relplaced after the fire?
graciegirl
07-31-2014, 01:17 PM
The new POA bulletin said that 40 properties were purchased, and the reason is that they would be unisurable at resale.
I wouldn't expect them to say anything positive about the developer, but I think he is renovating them to keep his crews working and to sell them for a profit. In so doing he will improve the area and increase property values for the residents there.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-31-2014, 01:39 PM
Is that the house next door to the one that was relplaced after the fire?
Yes. The woman who owned it left to be with her ailing mother up in Connecticutt.
She had it on the market for several months at $120,000. Then she suddenly left.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-31-2014, 01:41 PM
Pull the skirting off and throw the wheels back on???
I can't imagine what it must be like to live with so much anger and pain that one would have to feel the need to insult people in order to feel better about themself.
It's really very sad.
dbanks50
08-01-2014, 03:02 PM
Poured footers at the Tarrson lot. Just rode by.
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