Publix makes deal with TV

[Bubbalarry]

Rumor, BS or what: An employee of PUBLIX claims to have knowledge on the deal with TV.

My wife was informed today that this woman at the Colony Publix was at a meeting with TV to discuss the upcoming trash bags required by all village residents to use for it's recycling program.

She also mentioned that Glad does not make the size type of clear bags that TV requires up till now.

That with these new manufactured bags designed specifically for the villages and it's recycling program will earn TV .07 cents per bag.

I believe it's per box, but with all the deals they have with every business in this community I could be wrong.

One other thing my wife mentioned how people in line waiting to check out where outraged about this new, you must use this particular very expensive trash bag.

[JohnN]

this is the way they did it in the north Atlanta burbs for yard trash (lawn clippings, tree branches, etc) and I thought it was costly but a fair way to cover those truck costs (and you sure learn to mulch fast LOL).

I don't see how they can enforce recycling this way though.

[Muncle]

There is absolutely no way that Clorox would produce a bag specifically designed to TV's specifications. They would likely not produce a special bag if it was used in the entire state of Florida. Likely there are hundreds of millions of trash bags used nationwide each year, a high percentage of them being one of a limited variety of Glad bags. For Clorox to produce a new specification of bag, they would need to expect to sell many many millions of them. Just ain't gonna happen. :chillout:

[drdodge]

This is what a certain group in the village wanted. You have to pay weather you recycle or not. You have no choice.
drd

[golfnut]

Muncle, where was clorox mentioned, did I miss something?

[Muncle]

Muncle, where was clorox mentioned, did I miss something?

Sorry --- that's who makes Glad Bags

[jjdees]

Johnm, The bags in the N. Atlanta burbs were paper and were a big pain in the arse when used for large amounts of leaves. We lived in Dunwoody and filled 120 30 gallon plastic bags one weekend. When the paper bags came into play, it was a bear but understandable.

[jadebox]

I saw Glad recycle clear plastic bags for sale at Walmart on 441 a month ago.

[Golf-Tinker]

Tony:

Doesn't this come under the category of uninstantiated rumor and subject to the overboard rule, as in "dump it?"

[Bubbalarry]

There is absolutely no way that Clorox would produce a bag specifically designed to TV's specifications. They would likely not produce a special bag if it was used in the entire state of Florida. Likely there are hundreds of millions of trash bags used nationwide each year, a high percentage of them being one of a limited variety of Glad bags. For Clorox to produce a new specification of bag, they would need to expect to sell many many millions of them. Just ain't gonna happen. :chillout:


Lets say your argument is true about Clorox and glad trash bags. I have searched the web for these 13 gallon clear bags they supposedly have already manufactured and came up empty.

So if anyone has a link please provide one. Also Tony my wife will point out to you the employee of PUBLIX should you request to ask her to substantiate her statements. I can't see this employee lying as it could cost him/her there job.

In that case why dump it?

Also please note that the UPC code mentioned in TV Sun does not exist. So whats up.

http://www.upcdatabase.com/itemform.asp

[redwitch]

Hopefully, Tony is still asleep. It is only 5:36 in San Diego. I'm sure he will take some sort of appropriate action when he wakes up and sees this.

I don't mean to sound mean, but I truly can't believe anyone would even believe a story like this. As Muncle said, it is not economically responsible for a major company such as Clorox to make a specialty item that would only be used in a very small market.

Now, it might be possible that a deal was made that if The Villages made these specific garbage bags mandatory there would be a kickback of some sort for this. Even so, I really doubt that would occur and it certainly wouldn't be as much as $0.07 per box or per 100 or per whatever. Some things in life just don't make sense.

These bags have been around for quite awhile. They are recyclable although Glad won't take them back because recycling them is cost prohibitive (they are made out of recyclable materials, though). The Villages isn't the only township to require them for recycling.

[pili]

In lBarrington, Illinois (where we live) we used to use paper bags for recycles. They were a pain because if it rained, the bags got wet and broke. We were then given big bins (one for trash and one for recycles) and it is a lot easier. If the proposed bags are paper, they are not good. If they are plastic, they will contribute more plastic and defeat the purpose. Hopefully, you can check into getting bins instead of bags. Bags are expensive too.

Pili

[mmclover]

Up here in sunny Potland, Maine, we have been using these trash bags for years. The cost is $7.50 for six bags. The idea is to get us to recycle as much as possible to avoid using too many bags. Thus cutting down on the actual trash that is not recycable. You would be surprised as to how much time you spend breaking down boxes for the cardboard, taking reusable bags to the grocery store, etc. We also have bottle redemption, glass, tin, paper and plastic bins to sort each week, and its really great when it rains, they won't take wet paper products, so we have to put in special bag and cannot weigh more than 30#. It really isn't that bad, just the cost of the bags.

[Muncle]

There are obviously some advantages to using separate bins to put out your trash and recyclables as Pili and others have cited as well as disadvantages of bags. I'd like to address some of the disadvantages of bins.

a. Initial cost. Somebody has to pay for one or two bins for each unit in TV, depending on how trash is handled. That would be over 50,000-100,000 tubs (plastic?) that one way or another we, the residents, would pay for. If they are "provided free" by TV or the trash people, we'll still pay for them down the road.

b. Space. Today you have a trash can in your kitchen. Under the bin system, you're going to need to keep another container somewhere. I have ample room in my 2-car and golf cart garage, but a lot of people have the 1 1/2 car garage that is already filled with the car and cart and a ton of detritus.

c. Cleanliness. In the existing system, you put a tied bag on the curb at night. It rains and the wind blows (and it does blow hard here at times) but the sealed plastic bags keep the trash fairly protected. Occasionally a critter will tear open a bag, but not often at all. With bins, critters have a blast and possibly more critters appear. Florida winds come through and your loose trash is distributed evenly among your neighbors' yards.

d. Neighborhood appearance. In today's system, you put out a bag sometime before bed. Look down the street at night and there are bags at every driveway. Next morning, you awaken and all are gone. All is neat and clean. As we are a very mixed community, we've an awful lot of folks who drop in for weekends or short stays and take off for a time. Quite often, the last thing they do as they leave is to put out trash for pickup the next day or even occasionally 2 days later. With bins, they sit there until someone takes them back into the house. I know mine would be there at least until noon --- don't do mornings. For snowflakes and the like, the bins would stay on the curb until their next visit or they were blown away. Not conducive to a neat neighborhood.

There's good points about both systems, but a lot of things need to be considered.

[zcaveman]

I prefer the bags over the bins for the reasons stated above.

I keep my garbage bag in a garbage can in the garage and fill it and then take it outside on Sunday and Wednesday. Now - if I DO decide to recycle I will have two gagage cans in the garage that I will fill. Unfortunately the recycleable one will get fuller since it is once a week and I will now need three garbage cans to take care of the garbage.

Fortunately the recycling is not mandatory so I can still get by with the the one can/bag.

Unfortunately, my monthly garbage cost still goes up $1.47 a month.

Some things just suck.

[The Shadow]

Sounds like re-inventing the wheel.

To me it's all garbage. I put it out and the G�man can sort it, smoke it or turn it into a white picket fence, I give a rip. I get it to the street, job done.

Look at it this way, if you sort garbage you are working for a manufacturing company, for free, providing a raw material for a product that you will have to pay for. Of course you can not have a $130 section of plastic privacy fence in the Villages. That�s just my opinion.
:cus:

[DDoug]

My question is what is really going to be done with the recycled trash.When I lived in the Keys I followed the truck to the transfer station one time and they dumped it right in with the other trash.Granted that was in a different local but if you saw how tight it was down there with trash you may understand.So don't worry about how they are going handle it but what are they going to do with it.Until anything becomes profitable nothing will happen and no improvements will take place. The fight against global warm show them how to profit and it will stop,electric cars, show the gov. how collect road use tax and they will be on the road tommarrow. Economics is the answer to everything in this day and age. Before you answer this ,and don't be to critical, think about it. Has TV said what will be done with the trash and where is the processing plant and what is the profit offset

[jadebox]

http://www.glad.com/trashbags/specialty.php
Googled Glad clear plastic recycle bags

[DickY]

To comment on the original point of the topic, the story in The Daily Sun says:

But the local stores say they�re getting ready and putting the products on the shelves. An array of local merchants, including Ace Hardware stores at both La Plaza Grande and Southern Trace (which have 1,200 boxes each), Wal-Mart locations in The Villages and Summerfield, Publix stores throughout The Villages, Sweetbay in Lake Sumter Landing, Winn-Dixie at La Plaza Grande, Home Depot in Lady Lake, as well as Lowe�s Home Improvement in Lady Lake, have stocked the clear plastic bags that are needed to participate in the curbside-recycling program. Other local businesses may add the product.

Does that mean that they will get the 7 cents per bag from these merchants too? This makes the original assertion from the employee ridiculous, to use a kind word.

[captain1202]

The way I read the paper it said "a clear trash bag" and then went on to talk about the Glad bags. It was not "clear" to me that the Glad bag was a requirement. In NH where recycling is done you must buy the special bag at an inflated price but part if the purchase price goes to pay for the recycling. If we are going to be paying (1.47) for the recycling, we should be able to use ANY suitable clear bag available. It would be interesting to try and see if they leave your bag if it doesn't say Glad on it.

[jerseygirl008]

It would really tick me off if I went to all the trouble of getting things ready for the recycling (washing, ripping off labels, carrying separately to curb,etc.) and found out they just dumped the stuff next to the other garbage. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Cheers

[Frangyomory]

I thought recycling was voluntary. So I have to pay whether I recycle or not???? I am in Sumter county, South of 466. What if I don't care to recycle and just let the prisoners sort through my garbage?????? Why should I pay for something I don't use????

[Bubbalarry]

http://www.glad.com/trashbags/specialty.php
Googled Glad clear plastic recycle bags


I also saw this page when I searched. It shows a white bag not a clear bag. Besides the UPC Code provided by TV Sun is not a real UPC.

[Bubbalarry]

To comment on the original point of the topic, the story in The Daily Sun says:

But the local stores say they�re getting ready and putting the products on the shelves. An array of local merchants, including Ace Hardware stores at both La Plaza Grande and Southern Trace (which have 1,200 boxes each), Wal-Mart locations in The Villages and Summerfield, Publix stores throughout The Villages, Sweetbay in Lake Sumter Landing, Winn-Dixie at La Plaza Grande, Home Depot in Lady Lake, as well as Lowe�s Home Improvement in Lady Lake, have stocked the clear plastic bags that are needed to participate in the curbside-recycling program. Other local businesses may add the product.

Does that mean that they will get the 7 cents per bag from these merchants too? This makes the original assertion from the employee ridiculous, to use a kind word.



The comment from the employee referenced only PUBLIX as I posted. Who knows perhaps TV has separate deals with them as well. Perhaps not but anything is possible right ?

What I can't understand and have asked TV Sun is why the UPC Code doesn't show up. They claim it's the correct code.

[jadebox]

I also saw this page when I searched. It shows a white bag not a clear bag. Besides the UPC Code provided by TV Sun is not a real UPC.

I saw the clear Glad Bags at Walmart a month ago. Did not buy any because I am not sure if I will use them. Anyway waiting for a sale.

[jtdraig]

The GLAD bags are a standard clear bag used for recycling...no special deal with The Villages just a lack of communication....the old "hurry up and wait" deal. You can't even find these bags on the internet (as of yesterday)..all the suppliers are sold out but that would only be temporary....you'll be shelling out $2.50 for 12 bags again real soon!

[Ooper]

I agree with The Shadow... I'll go to the hassle of seperating my cans into a different bag... but that's as far as I'll go. I'll get it to the curb and I'll have them in a bag where they can tell they are cans... let them take it from there and they can do whatever they want with them.

[Bubbalarry]

The GLAD bags are a standard clear bag used for recycling...no special deal with The Villages just a lack of communication....the old "hurry up and wait" deal. You can't even find these bags on the internet (as of yesterday)..all the suppliers are sold out but that would only be temporary....you'll be shelling out $2.50 for 12 bags again real soon!


Please show me the link that has the clear bags as part of the manufacturers website. There is none yet as I have claimed. Yes they have 13 gallon white bags, but as for the products there site claims to have shows none (0) FOR CLEAR 13 GALLON BAGS.

Many of you have said you've seen these bags already at other stores, however they DO NOT show as part of CLOROX OR GLAD and I have yet to find a link to these exact bags anywhere. I have seen links to white but not CLEAR.

Regardless of this thread and those who don't believe this employee something just doesn't seem right. I don't deny those who claim to have seen clear bags, I just can't understand why the code and the site doesn't show them as some of you claim to have seen them.

Here's a link of what I found for recycling:http:
www.glad.com/avail_sizes.php?product=specialty

[saratogaman]

Home Depot has the 13-gallon clear bags.

[Bubbalarry]

Home Depot has the 13-gallon clear bags.


OK, I can't find them so how about showing link to them or a SKU from Home Depot?

[Bubbalarry]

Hey all the new bags are in at Publix on 466A. They are under the sign that says "New recycling bags just for the villages."

If someone buys any can you please post the UPC Code.

[sparky]

Since I didn't get to vote on this, so called, recyclying I guess I will just keep taking my papers to St. Timothy's and my aluminum to the post office for the Lions club. At least I won't have pay for some special bag. If the .07 cent rumor is true I also can keep the developer from a little more profit. ;D

[Autoshow]

I will continue to put my trash out as I always do,and pay my 1.47.
consider it one of the many cost to living in TV.
I doubt very much that TV and publix have a deal going,
These are good forums here on TOTV ,
but also a place for ugly rumors to start.

[The Shadow]

My question is what is really going to be done with the recycled trash.When I lived in the Keys I followed the truck to the transfer station one time and they dumped it right in with the other trash.Granted that was in a different local but if you saw how tight it was down there with trash you may understand.So don't worry about how they are going handle it but what are they going to do with it.Until anything becomes profitable nothing will happen and no improvements will take place. The fight against global warm show them how to profit and it will stop,electric cars, show the gov. how collect road use tax and they will be on the road tommarrow. Economics is the answer to everything in this day and age. Before you answer this ,and don't be to critical, think about it. Has TV said what will be done with the trash and where is the processing plant and what is the profit offset

I found this interesting artical in the Dayton paper this morn.

Flagler residents complain recyclables going into trash

By KARI COBHAM
Staff Writer

PALM COAST -- Every Friday morning, the Waste Pro garbage truck comes rumbling down Rybar Lane.

Ty and Sue Heidelberger ordinarily don't think much of it. Their carefully separated recyclables were out near the curb as required, as was the usual trash, they said.

But one recent Friday morning, the Palm Coast couple said they were aghast to see garbage collectors dumping their neighborhood's plastics, glass and aluminum cans with the rest of the refuse. Snip............

[Muncle]

I nominate the Village Greens, one of the organizations that's been bitching the most about getting a recycling program imposed on everyone, to ride along with the trash pickup crews every morning to insure that refuse is handled properly. If they don't do this, the temperatures will rise .974 degrees, the oceans will rise, polar bears and seals will become extinct, we'll have sand storms on Cape Cod and hurricanes in Dubuque, and the children will suffer.

Demand Change for Hope and Hope for Change!!!

[zcaveman]

Hey all the new bags are in at Publix on 466A. They are under the sign that says "New recycling bags just for the villages."

If someone buys any can you please post the UPC Code.


The UPC code is 0 12587 70038 9

They are called Glad Tall Kitchen Recycling 13 Gallon Handle-Tie Bags. There are 12 bags to a box and they cost $2.79 plus tax at the Publix on rt 42. That is about $.25 a bag.

[The Shadow]

Muncle
I love your sense of humor, it go�s with the picture. :clap2:

[Bubbalarry]

I think I proved my point and we can believe the worker who told my wife about the villages collecting on this product. That this is more than a rumor in this thread when I saw the sign at the Publix for GLAD recycling bags today.

Glad has confirmed by correspondence that these bags are new to the market being just made for the public. What I would like to find out is if someone outside the villages area, like NY, MI, PA, or someplace north would tell us if they see these same bags, 13 gallon clear recycling bags. BY GLAD ONLY.

If you look real hard this rumor looks believable as the shelf with Glad trash bags, along with the identifying card made by PUBLIX, points to the bags made for recycling for TV.

Now to the unbelievers I am sorry that you all voted NO but accept your responses. However I read somewhere on this site that TV management owes by a lawsuit $40 million back to the community and tried to only pay back 33+.

If you figure these bags and other things TV have done or are doing to make up the difference this rumor might be more than just a rumor but a fact.

BTW, I have contacted many of our Friends from around USA where we have previously lived and nobody has found this trash bag yet where they shop. They have seen white and larger bags for recycling but nothing like we have for TV.

At .05 cents a bag with 12 per box times approximately 40,000 full-time homes comes close to $ 250K per year and thats just if the residents buy one box per year. If those use 1 bag a week/4 boxes a year where talking 1 million plus. It all adds up members, so why wouldn't TV try to make money at our expense????

Does it sound more believable now?

I am not a lawyer however but couldn't a lawyer bring a class action suit against TV by forcing us residents to pay for a special type of bag thats only used for TV and investigate this rumor of GLAD, PUBLIX and TV collecting fees from it.

Many others have sued for less.

Please add your thoughts?

[Muncle]

Thought it absurd then. Think it absurd now. Will likely think it absurd in the future. However, if you'd like to go ahead with your class action lawsuit, you'll likely find some assistance at http://poa4us.org/

[ldj1938]

My daughter is a manager at Publix and she said this is so dumb it doesn't deserve a comment. They order a pallet of these bags and they are gone in one day. They are sometimes available at other stores in The Villages. The reason the bags are so hard to find is that no other town/village in the U.S. would recycle with clear plastic bags. They use recycle bins! Sorted or not, but a bin, not a plastic bag. They have been doing this in Lady Lake for a LONG time. Yes, with bins. Little green bins. I'll start recycling when the bins arrive! I'm not buying their stupid plastic bags. This makes about as much sense as the paper bags you have to use for yard clippings! ;D

[Bubbalarry]

Thought it absurd then. Think it absurd now. Will likely think it absurd in the future. However, if you'd like to go ahead with your class action lawsuit, you'll likely find some assistance at http://poa4us.org/


If you think it's absurd why post any comment at all. Your first post wanted this thread pulled anyway. However look how many views it's received.

BTW, I did not say I would sue so I don't need your link, but thanks just them same.

[Muncle]

If you think it's absurd why post any comment at all. Your first post wanted this thread pulled anyway. However look how many views it's received.

BTW, I did not say I would sue so I don't need your link, but thanks just them same.

I will quote you, or at least someone pretending to be you:

"I am not a lawyer however but couldn't a lawyer bring a class action suit against TV by forcing us residents to pay for a special type of bag thats only used for TV and investigate this rumor of GLAD, PUBLIX and TV collecting fees from it.

"Many others have sued for less.

"Please add your thoughts?"

Are we to interpret that as add your thoughts if you agree? I thought it absurd and added my thoughts.

I've never expressed any view that the thread be pulled. I viewed it as an unfounded rumor and nothing more. I attempted to demonstrate the unlikelyhood of it being true. As to pulling the thread, I'd be adamantly against such action. Regardless of the speciousness of a position, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it's often fun to discuss them. Evidently a lot of people agree.

No, you did not say that you planned to sue, but your did broach the subject, stating that such a suit was viable. The link was to the most recent or most publicized successful suers in case you or someone else decided to do so. If not, you're free to ignore it.

[Bubbalarry]

I will quote you, or at least someone pretending to be you:

"I am not a lawyer however but couldn't a lawyer bring a class action suit against TV by forcing us residents to pay for a special type of bag thats only used for TV and investigate this rumor of GLAD, PUBLIX and TV collecting fees from it.

"Many others have sued for less.

"Please add your thoughts?"

Are we to interpret that as add your thoughts if you agree? I thought it absurd and added my thoughts.

I've never expressed any view that the thread be pulled. I viewed it as an unfounded rumor and nothing more. I attempted to demonstrate the unlikelyhood of it being true. As to pulling the thread, I'd be adamantly against such action. Regardless of the speciousness of a position, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it's often fun to discuss them. Evidently a lot of people agree.

No, you did not say that you planned to sue, but your did broach the subject, stating that such a suit was viable. The link was to the most recent or most publicized successful suers in case you or someone else decided to do so. If not, you're free to ignore it.





I stand corrected it was not you but someone else who wished this thread pulled.

[Lil Dancer]

In the Villages Daily Sun article http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2008/02/28/villages/villages02.txt
it was stated that clear plastic bags must be used, and that when full, they need to weigh less than 30 lbs. There was no mention of any particular brand, size, etc. I went to SweetBay and asked customer service there, and they gave me their brand of clear bags.