OK lets be honest

[DDoug]

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from the Muslim faith people of the world. Now before you say anything I know its not all the attacks but it sure looks like most of them. This is a question I wish could be answered.

[buckscounty]

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from the Muslim faith people of the world. Now before you say anything I know its not all the attacks but it sure looks like most of them. This is a question I wish could be answered.

Because ALL muslims believe everyone should be muslimand because they are fanatics.

[blueash]

If you look with eyes that only see one point of view, you can be certain of what you will see. What faith is professed by those who shot down Malaysia Air? What faith is professed by those who bomb UN schools and kill children playing soccer on a beach? What faith is professed by the people who slaughter the innocent in Central America? What is the faith of those practicing genocide in Rakhine Burma? The entire war in Kosovo where the "butcher of Belgrade" was praised by what church? This is not to minimize your question but rather to point out that what you are seeing reported on the US media, especially a certain broadcast network is highly selective. Who is a terrorist is highly subjective. If you attack me, you are a terrorist. If I attack you I am a freedom fighter. Who is a Hatfield and who a McCoy? It really is not as simple as you suggest. There is blood on everyone's hands.

[nitakk]

If you look with eyes that only see one point of view, you can be certain of what you will see. What faith is professed by those who shot down Malaysia Air? What faith is professed by those who bomb UN schools and kill children playing soccer on a beach? What faith is professed by the people who slaughter the innocent in Central America? What is the faith of those practicing genocide in Rakhine Burma? The entire war in Kosovo where the "butcher of Belgrade" was praised by what church? This is not to minimize your question but rather to point out that what you are seeing reported on the US media, especially a certain broadcast network is highly selective. Who is a terrorist is highly subjective. If you attack me, you are a terrorist. If I attack you I am a freedom fighter. Who is a Hatfield and who a McCoy? It really is not as simple as you suggest. There is blood on everyone's hands.

How refreshing to see an intelligent post!

[LndLocked]

Let's talk about the Crusades

[Xavier]

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from the Muslim faith people of the world. Now before you say anything I know its not all the attacks but it sure looks like most of them. This is a question I wish could be answered.

Going through life with blinders on must be very confusing and difficult.

Xavier

[RErmer]

If you look with eyes that only see one point of view, you can be certain of what you will see. What faith is professed by those who shot down Malaysia Air? What faith is professed by those who bomb UN schools and kill children playing soccer on a beach? What faith is professed by the people who slaughter the innocent in Central America? What is the faith of those practicing genocide in Rakhine Burma? The entire war in Kosovo where the "butcher of Belgrade" was praised by what church? This is not to minimize your question but rather to point out that what you are seeing reported on the US media, especially a certain broadcast network is highly selective. Who is a terrorist is highly subjective. If you attack me, you are a terrorist. If I attack you I am a freedom fighter. Who is a Hatfield and who a McCoy? It really is not as simple as you suggest. There is blood on everyone's hands.

Great post and sentiments.

[graciegirl]

I am very afraid of Islamic terrorists.

[DDoug]

OK The Jewish faith has been around forever Christians faith around 2000 + years the Muslim faith 621 AD I think the date is right. The Jews have not killed the Christians if they didnt convert so why the Muslims want to kill everyone. Bottom line when you see one particular group in a bad way you tend to believe the entire group are like that. Now I'm talking about today not 1000 or 2000 years ago. The problem in the Middle East is coming here very soon more than what we have seen in the recent past. The United States put together the best long term working government and everyone else wants it and we(not political) are not defending it. That my friend is very sad. Think about it.

[pbkmaine]

One of my work colleagues is a moderate Muslim. His family in Afghanistan fled when the Taliban came in for just the reasons you mentioned. He has no problem with Christians and Jews. To him, and to moderate Muslims, we are all "People of the Book", by which he means we are connected through the Old Testament. He has the greatest respect for people of all faiths. In my experience, it is extremists who are dangerous, no matter what religion they profess. I have much more in common with my colleague than with Christians who tell me I will burn in hell unless I believe exactly what they do.

[rubicon]

Unfortunately we have a certain segment in our society who believe they are taking the high road, the intelligent road with their support of Hamas, et al. Of course not all Muslims are so radicalized that they would resort to beheadings. However, their religion leaves little tolerance for non-believers.

Comparing terrorists in other nations to Muslim terrorist does validate there equal brutality. However, it seems it is only the Muslim extremist that have America on their radar. And more to the point the OP specifically addressed Muslims. so in my view each of this situation needs to be address indvidually because the circumstances, causes, history are different and perhaps trying to make such comparisons is futile

Israel is being criticized for defending themselves even with all the pre-warnings they have extended to Hamas. Hamas wants all Jews dead and most Muslim radicals are killing Christians

[Bonnevie]

I think it can also be tied into the development of the geographic areas. Because of oil, etc. those countries have not evolved in the same way the western world has. They were ruled by other countries or influenced by western culture for years. I think the Muslim religion in those areas are similar to the Crusades the western civilization had and moved past. Our government propped up some really nasty people in the areas. So radical religious views go hand in hand with hatred of us.

[Madelaine Amee]

OK The Jewish faith has been around forever Christians faith around 2000 + years the Muslim faith 621 AD I think the date is right. The Jews have not killed the Christians if they didnt convert so why the Muslims want to kill everyone. Bottom line when you see one particular group in a bad way you tend to believe the entire group are like that. Now I'm talking about today not 1000 or 2000 years ago. The problem in the Middle East is coming here very soon more than what we have seen in the recent past. The United States put together the best long term working government and everyone else wants it and we(not political) are not defending it. That my friend is very sad. Think about it.

I think you have a good handle on this problem. Someone sent me this a short while ago .............

"Happiness"

They're not happy in Gaza ..

They're not happy in Egypt ..

They're not happy in Libya ..

They're not happy in Morocco ...

They're not happy in Iran ..

They're not happy in Iraq ..

They're not happy in Yemen ...

They're not happy in Afghanistan ..

They're not happy in Pakistan ...

They're not happy in Syria ..

They're not happy in Lebanon ...


SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?



They're happy in Australia ..
They're happy in Canada ..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ..
They're happy in Denmark ..

Basically, they're happy in every country that is
NOT MUSLIM and unhappy in every country that is!

There was more to this, but the language got a bit out of hand and I think the Moderator would have had a problem with it. But you get the gist.

[graciegirl]

Our government is very afraid of Islamic terrorists too. Just think of all that back and forth with Russia that we found out after the Boston Marathon bombings. Islamic terrorists are extreme Muslims.

[eweissenbach]

If you look with eyes that only see one point of view, you can be certain of what you will see. What faith is professed by those who shot down Malaysia Air? What faith is professed by those who bomb UN schools and kill children playing soccer on a beach? What faith is professed by the people who slaughter the innocent in Central America? What is the faith of those practicing genocide in Rakhine Burma? The entire war in Kosovo where the "butcher of Belgrade" was praised by what church? This is not to minimize your question but rather to point out that what you are seeing reported on the US media, especially a certain broadcast network is highly selective. Who is a terrorist is highly subjective. If you attack me, you are a terrorist. If I attack you I am a freedom fighter. Who is a Hatfield and who a McCoy? It really is not as simple as you suggest. There is blood on everyone's hands.

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

[graciegirl]

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

But Islamic terrorists are the most terrifying to me and to a lot of other people too. I don't look for radical Christians when I get on a plane.

[bimmertl]

But Islamic terrorists are the most terrifying to me and to a lot of other people too. I don't look for radical Christians when I get on a plane.

So you are saying you "look for" radical Muslims when you get on a plane? Exactly how do they look? That would help us all including the TSA.

[graciegirl]

So you are saying you "look for" radical Muslims when you get on a plane? Exactly how do they look? That would help us all including the TSA.


What do you think?

[eweissenbach]

But Islamic terrorists are the most terrifying to me and to a lot of other people too. I don't look for radical Christians when I get on a plane.

That may be because they look like you. Timothy McVeigh and Jim Jones looked pretty Waspy.

[llaran]

Why did the Christians kill the Jews? what about what is going on in Africa? Many of the wars were religious.

[keywest]

OK The Jewish faith has been around forever Christians faith around 2000 + years the Muslim faith 621 AD I think the date is right. The Jews have not killed the Christians if they didnt convert so why the Muslims want to kill everyone. Bottom line when you see one particular group in a bad way you tend to believe the entire group are like that. Now I'm talking about today not 1000 or 2000 years ago. The problem in the Middle East is coming here very soon more than what we have seen in the recent past. The United States put together the best long term working government and everyone else wants it and we(not political) are not defending it. That my friend is very sad. Think about it.

I agree DDoug....You are not the only one who thinks this.

[graciegirl]

The OP is talking about folks like Al Qaeda....now...at this time in the world. The crusades are over.

[graciegirl]

That may be because they look like you. Timothy McVeigh and Jim Jones looked pretty Waspy.

Can't think of a plane recently blown up by a Christian.

[jbdlfan]

I'm not a fan of this publication but it is nice to have all the facts:10 worst examples of Christian or far-right terrorism - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_te rrorism_partner/)

[DDoug]

One other thing Politically correct has kill a lot of people. You figure it out.

[blueash]

Can't think of a plane recently blown up by a Christian.

Really? On July 17 2014, 12 days ago a plane was blown up by a Christian.

[graciegirl]

Really? On July 17 2014, 12 days ago a plane was blown up by a Christian.

Do not recall any mention of religion being involved as a motive. Perhaps I have missed it. Could you clarify? Are you talking about the pro Russian separatists?

Do you defend Al Qaeda?

[Bonanza]

Because ALL muslims believe everyone should be muslimand because they are fanatics.

Your post is very disturbing and shameful.

To say that all of any religious or ethnic group is bad, fanatical, etc.,
is ridiculous, prejudicial, and simply not true.

[bimmertl]

What do you think?

So you are saying you "look for" radical Muslims when you get on a plane? Exactly how do they look? That would help us all including the TSA.

Answering the question with "What do you think" isn't an answer. So tell us how "radical Muslims" look as you no doubt, according to your post, know what they look like and they are apparently on airplanes, since the TSA let's them get on, and you look for them when you board. Clue us all in.

Can't think of a recent plane bombing done by Christians, but they sure blew up a lot of stuff and killed a lot of people in Northern Ireland.

[graciegirl]

Answering the question with "What do you think" isn't an answer. So tell us how "radical Muslims" look as you no doubt, according to your post, know what they look like and they are apparently on airplanes, since the TSA let's them get on, and you look for them when you board. Clue us all in.

Can't think of a recent plane bombing done by Christians, but they sure blew up a lot of stuff and killed a lot of people in Northern Ireland.

Do you defend extreme Islamic terrorists?

[graciegirl]

Why did the Christians kill the Jews? what about what is going on in Africa? Many of the wars were religious.

Are you afraid of extreme Islamic terrorists?

[Tennisnut]

I am afraid, very afraid of the 58 hate groups in Florida. They are white, black, Muslim, and "Christian" in a warped way. Hate knows no ethnic or religious boundaries. Radicalism isn't confined to any one group.

See http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

[graciegirl]

I am afraid, very afraid of the 58 hate groups in Florida. They are white, black, Muslim, and "Christian" in a warped way. Hate knows no ethnic or religious boundaries. Radicalism isn't confined to any one group.

See http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

Are you more afraid of them than extreme Islamic terrorist groups like Al Qaeda?

[karostay]

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from the Muslim faith people of the world. Now before you say anything I know its not all the attacks but it sure looks like most of them. This is a question I wish could be answered.
Acctualy your post should have read

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from people of religion. It Doesn't matter what faith you are since man has been on this earth I would guess 95% of all wars, terrorist attacks are over one form of religion or another

[graciegirl]

Or perhaps, are you afraid of people who will blow themselves up to kill large groups of people? IN TODAY'S WORLD. RIGHT NOW. Forget about history.

[kittygilchrist]

What if earth was created by a loving God who wanted to enjoy relationship with man? What if a fallen angel tempted man to have a relationship with him, rather than with God? What if that is the whole story of the earth: good and evil, love and hate, peace and war?

What if there is a final battle coming between God and the fallen angel over the earth acted out through human agents? And what if that battle centers on The holy land, and pits the offspring of Abraham, one conceived in rebellion, who is Ishmael, father of the Arabic nations, against the other son, conceived according to God's promise, who is Isaac, father of the Jewish nation, and by grafting into that root, believers in their Messiah?

[Tennisnut]

Are you more afraid of them than extreme Islamic terrorist groups like Al Qaeda?

Yes, since the TSA can't stop them at the border. They are here already. In fact, I believe our law enforcement is more concerned with a homegrown terrorist than they are about some tribal person running around in Afghanistan. They are more easily concealed and have greater opportunity.

[redwitch]

I can't say I'm afraid of fanatics but I truly loathe them. Fanaticism is a true evil. Extremists have no boundaries, whether Islamics, Christians or of some other bent.

I can't say I blame many that hate America. While the American people are some of the most generous people that exist, the same cannot be said of our government. We've supported some truly evil regimes to protect American businesses and interests. Frequently at the expense of the people who lived there. Think of Vietnam, Nicaragua, Argentina, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, The Philippines and on and on. We haven't always been the good guys.

But, back to subject. Yes, there are Islamic extremists who want to destroy America. There are Nazis and skinheads in this country who see nothing wrong with maiming, torturing and killing those who are different or hold opposing views. There are religious fanatics in America who are more than willing to start modern-day Crusades. There are anti-abortion foes who think killing doctors and blowing up clinics with people inside is perfectly acceptable. So, I'm not afraid of Islamic extremists. I'm afraid of any group or person that is willing to harm others for their point of view. Evil is not limited to one group or one religion or one skin color.

[Tennisnut]

I can't say I'm afraid of fanatics but I truly loathe them. Fanaticism is a true evil. Extremists have no boundaries, whether Islamics, Christians or of some other bent.

I can't say I blame many that hate America. While the American people are some of the most generous people that exist, the same cannot be said of our government. We've supported some truly evil regimes to protect American businesses and interests. Frequently at the expense of the people who lived there. Think of Vietnam, Nicaragua, Argentina, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, The Philippines and on and on. We haven't always been the good guys.

But, back to subject. Yes, there are Islamic extremists who want to destroy America. There are Nazis and skinheads in this country who see nothing wrong with maiming, torturing and killing those who are different or hold opposing views. There are religious fanatics in America who are more than willing to start modern-day Crusades. There are anti-abortion foes who think killing doctors and blowing up clinics with people inside is perfectly acceptable. So, I'm not afraid of Islamic extremists. I'm afraid of any group or person that is willing to harm others for their point of view. Evil is not limited to one group or one religion or one skin color.

Concur!

[tucson]

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from the Muslim faith people of the world. Now before you say anything I know its not all the attacks but it sure looks like most of them. This is a question I wish could be answered.



www.homelandsecurityus.com/special-investigative-reports/muslim-terrorist-camps-in-north-america

[tucson]

There are many muslim terrorist camps in the US. Do a google search.

[bimmertl]

Do you defend extreme Islamic terrorists?

Let's simplify things. Nobody defends any kind of terrorists, whatever their affiliation is. So no need to keep beating that dead horse.

Still waiting for your answer as to how you recognize radical Muslims, which you clearly stated you are capable of in post #16. Give us all insight as to what to look for so we may all gain from your knowledge.

[Tennisnut]

www.homelandsecurityus.com/special-investigative-reports/muslim-terrorist-camps-in-north-america

This is a "private" investigative team of dubious credibility. I wonder if our Public Homeland Security is aware of the results of this investigative reporting.

[graciegirl]

Let's simplify things. Nobody defends any kind of terrorists, whatever their affiliation is. So no need to keep beating that dead horse.

Still waiting for your answer as to how you recognize radical Muslims, which you clearly stated you are capable of in post #16. Give us all insight as to what to look for so we may all gain from your knowledge.

What terrorist group poses the greatest risk to Americans? Your question is a red herring.

To be politically correct, we divert our selves from identifying the people who want to hurt us.

I ask you, if you entered a plane if anyone would cause you by their appearance some apprehension? NO, then..if your daughter were flying, or your grandson? Perhaps you would be wrong...but...I ask you honestly. We are people, and we try to be fair, BUT....sometimes we just are afraid.

The title of this thread is "O.K. Let's be honest."

[bimmertl]

Do you defend extreme Islamic terrorists?

What terrorist group poses the greatest risk to Americans? Your question is a red herring.

To be politically correct, we divert our selves from identifying the people who want to hurt us.

I ask you, if you entered a plane if anyone would cause you by their appearance some apprehension? NO..if your daughter were flying, or your grandson? Perhaps you would be wrong...but...I ask you honestly.

As expected, another non answer to a simple question. Oh well.

[Tennisnut]

What terrorist group poses the greatest risk to Americans? Your question is a red herring.

To be politically correct, we divert our selves from identifying the people who want to hurt us.

I ask you, if you entered a plane if anyone would cause you by their appearance some apprehension? NO, then..if your daughter were flying, or your grandson? Perhaps you would be wrong...but...I ask you honestly. We are people, and we try to be fair, BUT....sometimes we just are afraid.

The title of this thread is "O.K. Let's be honest."


If he is dark skinned and has a turban, " Scream and run". However, he may be a Sikh who has little history of terrorism.

[tucson]

This is a "private" investigative team of dubious credibility. I wonder if our Public Homeland Security is aware of the results of this investigative reporting.

Here's a better and more up to date one.
www.allenwestrepublic.com/2014/02/21/allen-west-indeed-there-are-islamic-terrorist-training-camps-in-america

[graciegirl]

As expected, another non answer to a simple question. Oh well.


What does a terrorist look like? Tough question, but the answers are tougher. Especially to people who have been taught to be kind and fair. You didn't answer my question, HONESTLY. Would YOU be a little apprehensive???

What Does a Terrorist Look Like? - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-a-terrorist-look-like/)

[kittygilchrist]

Acctualy your post should have read

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from people of religion. It Doesn't matter what faith you are since man has been on this earth I would guess 95% of all wars, terrorist attacks are over one form of religion or another

What does a terrorist look like? Tough question, but the answers are tougher. Especially to people who have been taught to be kind and fair. You didn't answer my question, HONESTLY. Would YOU be a little apprehensive???

What Does a Terrorist Look Like? - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-a-terrorist-look-like/)

When I was in Israel, I felt most safe when I could see an armed soldier in Israel's army nearby.

[kittygilchrist]

Acctualy your post should have read

I will probably get beat up for this and the post will surely be taken down,but why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from people of religion. It Doesn't matter what faith you are since man has been on this earth I would guess 95% of all wars, terrorist attacks are over one form of religion or another

What if earth was created by a loving God who wanted to enjoy relationship with man? What if a fallen angel tempted man to have a relationship with him, rather than with God? What if that is the whole story of the earth: good and evil, love and hate, peace and war?

What if there is a final battle coming between God and the fallen angel over the earth acted out through human agents? And what if that battle centers on The holy land, and pits the offspring of Abraham, one conceived in rebellion, who is Ishmael, father of the Arabic nations, against the other son, conceived according to God's promise, who is Isaac, father of the Jewish nation, and by grafting into that root, believers in their Messiah?


Any comments on this?

[Taltarzac725]

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

Good post. I did a little Googling and was surprised at which group had done the most terrorist acts in the past 20 years or so. Try it. Of course, these are often skewed by how the writers of the articles define "terrorism" "religion" and the like.

Most of these people though seem to be working against the most basic tenets of the religions they seem to support. It is more about one of the seven deadly sins when they carry out these acts rather than the Golden Rule.

[quirky3]

All extremists are scary. Some posts remind me of this favorite from "South Pacific":
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

[graciegirl]

All extremists are scary. Some posts remind me of this favorite from "South Pacific":
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!


I love that song too, Quirky and it is right.

That is the reason this subject is so fraught with anxiety for most of us.

We have to have common sense too, and some advocates of political correctness take it WAY too far.

Stay moderate in your thinking. That's my advice and keep an open mind even if what you used to think is in question. Define the problem and gather ALL facts. And don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Do NOT preach the rhetoric of any faction. Think for yourself.

And that is why I am afraid of all extreme Islamic terrorists, more afraid than I am of any other group.

My parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles, didn't know any Islamic people at all, so that song doesn't fit this situation.

The topic of this thread is Let's be honest. Are you afraid of extreme Islamic terrorists, Quirky?

[Taltarzac725]

All extremists are scary. Some posts remind me of this favorite from "South Pacific":
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

That seems to be so true. My gentle friend Mahmood from Iraq was a fellow MA student at the University of Denver in Librarianship visiting from the University of Mosul. When I knew him in 1983-1984 he was open to new ideas and experiences. As soon as he got back to Iraq in 1984, he became radicalized against the West. I tried reasoning with him in some letters but the indoctrination of hatred just took over. His country was deep into the Iran-Iraq War and his brother was high up in the army of Saddam Hussein. It is hard to reason when you face the prospect of a death on the battlefield. I will bet that Mahmood was one of the University of Mosul Library employees who took their library's books home to save some of them from plunderers.

[Tennisnut]

I love that song too, Quirky and it is right.

That is the reason this subject is so fraught with anxiety for most of us.

We have to have common sense too, and some advocates of political correctness take it WAY too far.

Stay moderate in your thinking. That's my advice and keep an open mind even if what you used to think is in question. Define the problem and gather ALL facts. And don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Do NOT preach the rhetoric of any faction. Think for yourself.

And that is why I am afraid of all extreme Islamic terrorists, more afraid than I am of any other group.




My parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles, didn't know any Islamic people at all, so that song doesn't fit this situation.

The topic of this thread is Let's be honest. Are you afraid of extreme Islamic terrorists, Quirky?

Sorry you live in such fear. There are so many other things to fear as well. Some are afraid to fly but will drive a car which has higher probability of death. Some are afraid to live near a Nuclear power plant but readily live near a coal power plant which is much more detrimental to one's health. Fear is often times not rational. I flew to Turkey on Turkish airlines out of JFK one month after 9/11. Should I have been afraid?

[quirky3]

As I said in my earlier posts, "All extremists are scary."
One of my friends grew up in an internment camp in California in WWII and for those years, people were afraid of her family and other internees. It is important to maintain balance and perspective.

[onslowe]

Let's simplify things. Nobody defends any kind of terrorists, whatever their affiliation is. So no need to keep beating that dead horse.

Still waiting for your answer as to how you recognize radical Muslims, which you clearly stated you are capable of in post #16. Give us all insight as to what to look for so we may all gain from your knowledge.

One problem with the 'question' posed is its seeming simplicity when, in fact, it avoids the real problem of the clear and present danger that radical Islamists pose to those of us who are not of their religion. After the fact identification is almost worthless. It certainly does no good to the victims or their families. But studying these creatures' history can yield information which may help us to stave off future World Trade Centers or massacres at Christian churches.

How do doctors 'recognize' a person with pre-diagnosed cancer? Its all too often invisible to the untrained or unequipped eye. What does the doctor do? Seeks its location and and aggressively attack the cancer at its source and destroy it if possible before it kills the patient. That is sensible. That is plain self preservation which is a basic human necessity and quality.

I believe the analogy is on point when talking about that percentage of Muslims who are radicalized and bent on primitive ways of violence towards us.

How do I 'recognize' a radical Muslim? Neither I nor Gracie nor any of us can do so physically, and to ask us how seems to be intentionally coy and without valid purpose.

We rely on those who do have the intelligence gathering capabilities and analytical wherewithal to "identify" those who teach hate and spread the hate and act in manners consistent with evil motives. If some person openly advocates killing 'infidels', well yes I can identify him or her as a terrorist. But they don't do that, do they?

This is a crisis unfortunately and in a crisis a democracy may be compelled to do things out of the ordinary. Lincoln abandoned habeas corpus and FDR countenanced the odious internment of our Japanese fellow Americans.

I'd rather intelligence based 'profiling' with some mistakes than trying to occupy some fantasy land 'moral high ground' which is neither really moral nor based in reality.

And for those who parrot the Rosie O'Donnell "Oh yeah? How about the Crusades?" sound bytes - please, actually read the history and see how silly and embarrassing that stance is.

[Suzi]

As a young white woman traveling London many years ago, I was "profiled" as looking suspicious and taken to the police station and searched. This was during the "Irish" problem in the mid-70's. I never considered it a problem - people were being bombed and they were protecting themselves, besides, they drove me home after that and they were very courteous.

I am for profiling. I want to feel and be safe. When I go on a plane....ALWAYS......I look at all the people who will be boarding with me. If I see some one who has been obviously drinking or someone who has a bad cold (coughing, sneezing) I will ask to have my seat moved if I am close to them. I am protecting my own safety and health. I am looking out for myself as much as I can. If I see someone with darker skin, I will observe them very closely. Are they alone? Do they have hand luggage? How is their behavior? Are they traveling with family? Children?
You might ask....what would you do if you felt something was "off". Well, several years ago I changed my flight in Africa because it was during the "bird flu" breakout and someone who was obviously ill was being allowed on my flight.

What bothers me the most is that the "peaceful" muslims here in US and around the world are doing and saying little to condemn the fanatic Islamic terrorists. Where is their distain? I want to see groups of peaceful muslims all over the world put an end to people of their faith doing such horrible things. Yes that is what we need. Yes, that is what I want.

[DDoug]

I know of no other religion in modern day (key word modern)that tells the masses of a specific area to convert to our faith or move or die. Now I'm sorry but this is fact. So what do you want people to see. Stereo typing is bad, I totally agree, but come on now.

[Tennisnut]

As a young white woman traveling London many years ago, I was "profiled" as looking suspicious and taken to the police station and searched. This was during the "Irish" problem in the mid-70's. I never considered it a problem - people were being bombed and they were protecting themselves, besides, they drove me home after that and they were very courteous.

I am for profiling. I want to feel and be safe. When I go on a plane....ALWAYS......I look at all the people who will be boarding with me. If I see some one who has been obviously drinking or someone who has a bad cold (coughing, sneezing) I will ask to have my seat moved if I am close to them. I am protecting my own safety and health. I am looking out for myself as much as I can. If I see someone with darker skin, I will observe them very closely. Are they alone? Do they have hand luggage? How is their behavior? Are they traveling with family? Children?
You might ask....what would you do if you felt something was "off". Well, several years ago I changed my flight in Africa because it was during the "bird flu" breakout and someone who was obviously ill was being allowed on my flight.

What bothers me the most is that the "peaceful" muslims here in US and around the world are doing and saying little to condemn the fanatic Islamic terrorists. Where is their distain? I want to see groups of peaceful muslims all over the world put an end to people of their faith doing such horrible things. Yes that is what we need. Yes, that is what I want.

Although this is fairly left wing site. it does identify the myth of a lack of condemnation of terrorism by Muslims. I am sure you can find several other examples. It is probably due to the fairly common practice of the silent majority.


Ali Eteraz: The Myth of Muslim Condemnation of Terror (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-eteraz/the-myth-of-muslim-condem_b_67904.html)

[keywest]

That has been my question all along too, Suzi, about the silent majority of the rest of the Muslims across the world and in this country. If they do not want to be thought of as "okaying" the actions of the extremists , then speak up against against that faction of their religion that are carrying out their terrorist acts.

[rubicon]

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

Hi Coach: Dead is dead and i agree. Terrorism is terroism and I agree. Evil is evil and I agree. Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hilter Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot Benito Mussollini did not do their evil based on religion but on domination and conquests. Jim Jones perhaps could be said did but was his really a religion.

Indeed the outcome was the same and a tragic one at that but lumping them all together in my view is wrong because of the the manner in which one goes about ridding themselves of vermin such as this.

Beside which we always fall back on two wrongs don't make a right. that is why I do not like to compare Presidents because each faced similar but different issues in their time

and once again the OP's question had to do with Muslims. I had always said women understand politics better than men in that if you ask them a question in an attempt to explain themselves you are going to get a question in reply....and that is what is happening on this thread.

Radical Muslims want to kill Jews, Christians and Buddhist, Hindu's other Muslims and their mantra is quite clear convert or go under the sword

Iran, Syria Afghanistan Yemen, etc believe theirs is a holy war

[Tennisnut]

That has been my question all along too, Suzi, about the silent majority of the rest of the Muslims across the world and in this country. If they do not want to be thought of as "okaying" the actions of the extremists , then speak up against against that faction of their religion that are carrying out their terrorist acts.

Excerpt:

heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.

[graciegirl]

Excerpt:

heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.


We are talking about extreme Islamic terrorists.

[graciegirl]

Hi Coach: Dead is dead and i agree. Terrorism is terroism and I agree. Evil is evil and I agree. Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hilter Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot Benito Mussollini did not do their evil based on religion but on domination and conquests. Jim Jones perhaps could be said did but was his really a religion.

Indeed the outcome was the same and a tragic one at that but lumping them all together in my view is wrong because of the the manner in which one goes about ridding themselves of vermin such as this.

Beside which we always fall back on two wrongs don't make a right. that is why I do not like to compare Presidents because each faced similar but different issues in their time

and once again the OP's question had to do with Muslims. I had always said women understand politics better than men in that if you ask them a question in an attempt to explain themselves you are going to get a question in reply....and that is what is happening on this thread.

Radical Muslims want to kill Jews, Christians and Buddhist, Hindu's other Muslims and their mantra is quite clear convert or go under the sword

Iran, Syria Afghanistan Yemen, etc believe theirs is a holy war

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[kittygilchrist]

jihad. (http://www.jihadwatch.org)

Jihadwatch.org what are they saying?

"Our doctrine is to exterminate the Jews."

[bluedog103]

So you are saying you "look for" radical Muslims when you get on a plane? Exactly how do they look? That would help us all including the TSA.
I'm pretty sure the TSA has a really good idea how to identify a likely radical Muslim the same as you do but their hands are tied. To not to appear to be profiling they must equally search 90 year old women and 3 year old children with the chance of snagging a terrorist pure luck. Ridiculous

[Steve9930]

The truth is you can never negotiate with evil fanatics. If you want peace you must kill every one of them. If you try to ignore them you will ignore them at your own peril. Many innocent people have died in the name of religion. Society decides what is acceptable behavior based on some foundation of values. What we decide as a nation is whether we will be part of the world and enforce the rules of acceptable behavior. The current labelled terrorists take a perverted view of Islam. They look at it an take a literal interpretation. They believe in what they are doing and they also believe it is the will of God. There is no negotiations that will work with this group of people. They also do not speak for all Muslims of the world.

[Villages PL]

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

I think you have to analyze each one separately. Timothy McVeigh was not making a religious statement: He wasn't bombing a federal building on behalf of Christianity. So it was a one time event that would not likely be repeated by other Christians. He wasn't marshaling other Christians to his cause. Other Christians were appalled and shocked by the bombing. He had no following among Christians.

Was Adolph Hitler a practicing Christian? What faith did he practice? He was an evil dictator who tried to establish a master race. We knew what he was about and we defeated him. His soldiers wore uniforms so we could identify them. Muslim extremists don't wear uniforms and can pop up anywhere. That makes them scary and hard to defeat.

What were the religions of the other dictators you mentioned? Are dictators usually religious? They're evil but they are usually kept in their box.

The Jim Jones incident was terribly unfortunate and devastating to the families of those who died but he wasn't trying to take over the world. No one is worried about a repeat of that happening again. Jim Jones didn't send his followers, wearing suicide vests, to bomb innocent people. Therefore, we no longer worry about them, it's history.

[MikeV]

Or perhaps, are you afraid of people who will blow themselves up to kill large groups of people? IN TODAY'S WORLD. RIGHT NOW. Forget about history.

Very nice Gracie. I don't understand why people bring up the past to deal with the present. Yes, there have been terrible things done by many groups be they religious or political but we should be concerned with the here and now. I understand that past experience may shape how one acts but maybe if we just let go of some things that happened a very long time ago maybe the world could be a little more pleasant.

[rdhdleo]

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

Excellent, VERY intelligent response and well said!

[rdhdleo]

Your post is very disturbing and shameful.

To say that all of any religious or ethnic group is bad, fanatical, etc.,
is ridiculous, prejudicial, and simply not true.


:agree:

[rdhdleo]

I can't say I'm afraid of fanatics but I truly loathe them. Fanaticism is a true evil. Extremists have no boundaries, whether Islamics, Christians or of some other bent.

I can't say I blame many that hate America. While the American people are some of the most generous people that exist, the same cannot be said of our government. We've supported some truly evil regimes to protect American businesses and interests. Frequently at the expense of the people who lived there. Think of Vietnam, Nicaragua, Argentina, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, The Philippines and on and on. We haven't always been the good guys.

But, back to subject. Yes, there are Islamic extremists who want to destroy America. There are Nazis and skinheads in this country who see nothing wrong with maiming, torturing and killing those who are different or hold opposing views. There are religious fanatics in America who are more than willing to start modern-day Crusades. There are anti-abortion foes who think killing doctors and blowing up clinics with people inside is perfectly acceptable. So, I'm not afraid of Islamic extremists. I'm afraid of any group or person that is willing to harm others for their point of view. Evil is not limited to one group or one religion or one skin color.

Well said again a logical, intelligent approach to the issue.

[Villages PL]

Excellent, VERY intelligent response and well said!

Really? How much thought was put into it with no context for any of the examples? Those dictators were either contained or defeated.

Muslim extremists have not been contained or defeated.

[rdhdleo]

Really? How much thought was put into it with no context for any of the examples? Those dictators were either contained or defeated.

Muslim extremists have not been contained or defeated.

Yes Really! The hope is one day the current extremists will also be defeated and or contained. Without hope of this the future would look bleak. I prefer to have hope. I still agree with that posters response. We all have our own opinions. If you're at peace with yours then all is good but I will not let fear rule my life.

[graciegirl]

Excellent, VERY intelligent response and well said!

Are you more afraid of Radical Islamics than you are of the other's mentioned?

If a bridge blew up today, or a city had their water supply poisoned, what group would you suspect first?

[graciegirl]

Yes Really! The hope is one day the current extremists will also be defeated and or contained. Without hope of this the future would look bleak. I prefer to have hope. I still agree with that posters response. We all have our own opinions. If you're at peace with yours then all is good but I will not let fear rule my life.

I am certainly not at peace with my views. The subject of this thread is to be honest.

[Villages PL]

..... why does the majority of the terrorists and the attacks on the world stem from the Muslim faith people of the world. Now before you say anything I know its not all the attacks but it sure looks like most of them. This is a question I wish could be answered.

You got it right but, evidently, there are a lot of people who can't take hearing the simple truth. You pointed out that you didn't mean ALL of the attacks but that makes no difference to those who are in denial.

Has anyone even tried to answer your question? Why is most of the terrorism [currently] coming from the Muslim faith?

We are talking about organized terrorism, not some nut who takes it upon himself to kill an abortion doctor or blow up a federal building.

[graciegirl]

I can't say I'm afraid of fanatics but I truly loathe them. Fanaticism is a true evil. Extremists have no boundaries, whether Islamics, Christians or of some other bent.

I can't say I blame many that hate America. While the American people are some of the most generous people that exist, the same cannot be said of our government. We've supported some truly evil regimes to protect American businesses and interests. Frequently at the expense of the people who lived there. Think of Vietnam, Nicaragua, Argentina, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, The Philippines and on and on. We haven't always been the good guys.

But, back to subject. Yes, there are Islamic extremists who want to destroy America. There are Nazis and skinheads in this country who see nothing wrong with maiming, torturing and killing those who are different or hold opposing views. There are religious fanatics in America who are more than willing to start modern-day Crusades. There are anti-abortion foes who think killing doctors and blowing up clinics with people inside is perfectly acceptable. So, I'm not afraid of Islamic extremists. I'm afraid of any group or person that is willing to harm others for their point of view. Evil is not limited to one group or one religion or one skin color.


Most people I know agree with that. However. Wouldn't you say that Islamic terrorists pose the greatest risk at this time, in the world today to US......????

[Villages PL]

It has been said that, "A so-called Muslim who kills innocent people is not a real Muslim. Does it help to know that when they do claim to be Muslims?

[eweissenbach]

www.homelandsecurityus.com/special-investigative-reports/muslim-terrorist-camps-in-north-america

Most people I know agree with that. However. Wouldn't you say that Islamic terrorists pose the greatest risk at this time, in the world today to US......????

I feel NO personal fear from Islamic terrorists. I have more concern about my safety driving on the public highways almost daily. If I were a Jew in America I would have more fear of white supremacist groups. If I were black in America, I would fear neighborhood and drug related crime, not to mention white supremacists. If I were to go into Mexico, Central, or South America, I would fear the drug cartel would be the greatest risk. If I were South Korean I would think that North Korea was the greatest risk. If I were Palestinian I would fear Isreal was the greatest risk. Islamic terrorists are a threat to many people and are a perversion of their faith, but there are many risks that are more imminent for many people.

[Rags123]

Interesting.....

"An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
"Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate):

Latino 42 %
Left Wing extremists 24%
Others 16%
Jewish extremists 7%
Islamic extremists 6%
Communists 5 %"

Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html)

There are some footnotes from the author worth noting...


" According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels “Extreme Left Wing Groups” and “Communists”, but not “Extreme Right Wing Groups” or “Fascists”. It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum. In addition, “Latinos” is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like. However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)"

Bottom line is the terrorist we fear the most is the one that has threatened us. I am threatened by Black Muslims because I am white....I am threatened by Islamic extremists because they publicy state they want to kill me because of my country.

Fact is right now, the extremist in Islam are the ones making the noise (in every way) and thus are going to be the most feared. AND frankly with just cause. They have been successful and efficient at killing.

I also believe the moderate Islam totally understands why this feeling...I am not saying they agree nor do they like it...but they do know why.

Anyone who harbors ammunition.....announces hate and warning to harm....has a current track record and is currently very active will get my attention at least. They could be any body of people who wish harm to me or my family, and I will fear them. You may feel it is some kind of "nice" thing to do, but you will not convince me nor lower my level of fear.

[jbdlfan]

In reading this.....It is kind of silly to be worried about Islamic Extremists when you look at how many of us have been killed in other ways. Interesting read.... Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html)

Please read this if you want to truly be informed statistically.

[graciegirl]

In reading this.....It is kind of silly to be worried about Islamic Extremists when you look at how many of us have been killed in other ways. Interesting read.... Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html)

Please read this if you want to truly be informed statistically.

What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.

[CFrance]

What group do you think about when you travel by plane?
I think about the group that's in front of me and whether or not they're going to recline their seats right away.:cryin2:

[jbdlfan]

What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.

Not saying your feelings are silly. Just saying the foundation of these feelings are misplaced. Of course I'm not defending ANY terrorists, but for goodness, no, I don't worry about Islamic extremists when I fly. I worry if my pilot is drunk, if my luggage will be lost or if I will have a car waiting at the counter.
Now I do worry when I drive in Orlando at night, idiot drivers on I4 and the Turnpike and whether or not some people might actually stop at stop signs.
"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims." This is almost statistically insignificant. Not my numbers....
"Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing."

[graciegirl]

Not saying your feelings are silly. Just saying the foundation of these feelings are misplaced. Of course I'm not defending ANY terrorists, but for goodness, no, I don't worry about Islamic extremists when I fly. I worry if my pilot is drunk, if my luggage will be lost or if I will have a car waiting at the counter.
Now I do worry when I drive in Orlando at night, idiot drivers on I4 and the Turnpike and whether or not some people might actually stop at stop signs.
"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims." This is almost statistically insignificant. Not my numbers....
"Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing."

Uh huh. We are talkin' NOW. And we are not talking Muslims, we are talking Islamic terrorists. Are you afraid of Islamic terrorists? If someone blew up a bridge or poisoned a big city water supply or sent Anthrax to the Office of the President of the United States, who would you think of first? We are not talking about all of the bad folks. We are talking about being honest about who is out to get us.

[jbdlfan]

Sure, I might have thought that if I hadn't actually did a bit of research and realized how small a chance it is that they would be the guilty party. I mean seriously, how can you ignore the facts and statistics? I can't.
If we are talking American soil, odds are that it will be someone other than an Islamic Extremist.

[DDoug]

The only way,and military men will agree, to maintain peace is to have a large army. Say what you will but that is a fact. Do you have insurance on your car ,why, you don't need it till you need it but then it's to late if you don't have it. Yes this is a little off the original subject.

[redwitch]

Most people I know agree with that. However. Wouldn't you say that Islamic terrorists pose the greatest risk at this time, in the world today to US......????

No, Gracie, I don't. I think our greatest risk comes from within. We've become so afraid of being hurt that we're willing to give up our basic freedoms. That, to me, is far more dangerous than anything that can be done by any terrorist.

Is there a chance that there will be another terrorist attack on American soil? I'd say more than likely. Would I prefer it not happen? You're darn toot in'! Am I willing to give up my right to search and seizure? Freedom of speech? Right to assembly? No way on earth!

I do believe in profiling but real profiling, not stopping someone because they are the wrong skin color, have a hooked nose or wear non-Western clothing. Get the Israelis here and have them teach TSA workers how to profile, what behavior to look for ... Not this search everyone and, should you LOOK Muslim, be prepared for major harassment (and it amazes how many can't tell a Sikh from a Muslim in this nation).

[graciegirl]

No, Gracie, I don't. I think our greatest risk comes from within. We've become so afraid of being hurt that we're willing to give up our basic freedoms. That, to me, is far more dangerous than anything that can be done by any terrorist.

Is there a chance that there will be another terrorist attack on American soil? I'd say more than likely. Would I prefer it not happen? You're darn toot in'! Am I willing to give up my right to search and seizure? Freedom of speech? Right to assembly? No way on earth!

I do believe in profiling but real profiling, not stopping someone because they are the wrong skin color, have a hooked nose or wear non-Western clothing. Get the Israelis here and have them teach TSA workers how to profile, what behavior to look for ... Not this search everyone and, should you LOOK Muslim, be prepared for major harassment (and it amazes how many can't tell a Sikh from a Muslim in this nation).


Interesting and what I expected. I do know that turbans aren't scary. And Janes are kind and good and very peaceful. But I think you think just like everyone else and just like me. It just isn't what folks want to say or hear in plain speech if they are of a certain persuasion.

The real danger is there. I'm not afraid either Ed. I am 74 and don't have all that much time. But I fear for my children and grandchildren. I am much more afraid of Islamic terrorists than I am the escalating tension with Russia.

[kittygilchrist]

That is right Gracie, and sweet Miss Kitty is fine whenever the band of angels come, but thinking of how to hoard guns and beans in an underground nuclear shelter for her son.

[eweissenbach]

Interesting and what I expected. I do know that turbans aren't scary. And Janes are kind and good and very peaceful. But I think you think just like everyone else and just like me. It just isn't what folks want to say or hear in plain speech if they are of a certain persuasion.

The real danger is there. I'm not afraid either Ed. I am 74 and don't have all that much time. But I fear for my children and grandchildren. I am much more afraid of Islamic terrorists than I am the escalating tension with Russia.

Your feelings and fears are yours, and as such, they are valid. I just don't think it is a legitimate fear, FOR ME. You seem convinced that everyone shares your fear and simply don't want to express it because of political correctness, but that simply is not true for ME, and I can speak for no one but myself. When I said I had more concern (I think fear is too strong) in driving on the highways, I was being totally honest. More people in this country are killed EVERY YEAR as the result of drunk driving than were killed in all the 9/11 incidents. I detest militant extremist Islamists, as I detest all militant extremists, and yes they pose a real threat, but I think nothing about them when boarding an airplane. If I see an obvious Muslim come out of a bar and weave his way unsteadily to his car, that would frighten the hell out of me.

[graciegirl]

Your feelings and fears are yours, and as such, they are valid. I just don't think it is a legitimate fear, FOR ME. You seem convinced that everyone shares your fear and simply don't want to express it because of political correctness, but that simply is not true for ME, and I can speak for no one but myself. When I said I had more concern (I think fear is too strong) in driving on the highways, I was being totally honest. More people in this country are killed EVERY YEAR as the result of drunk driving than were killed in all the 9/11 incidents. I detest militant extremist Islamists, as I detest all militant extremists, and yes they pose a real threat, but I think nothing about them when boarding an airplane. If I see an obvious Muslim come out of a bar and weave his way unsteadily to his car, that would frighten the hell out of me.


A Muslim does not drink. People are killed in accidents and that is accidental. The folks that drove those airplanes into those buildings were aiming to kill. You don't have to think much about radical Islamic people when you board a plane because our government is worrying about them.

I'm done. On this thread. I pray we aren't all done eventually by extreme Islam.

[Steve9930]

This group of Islamic extremist, ISIS, is going to eventually take control of the Middle East if we do nothing further to stop them. Today they shout and burn the American Flag. They kill innocent people, Christians, woman, and those that do not convert. They force Sharia Law on those under their rule. They are no different then the tyrants of the past like Hitler. They will eventually obtain Nuclear capability. Iran will be the first Islamic Nation to have a Nuclear Weapon. Once this happens the rules will change and we as a nation will be in trouble. These fanatics will not hesitate to use a Nuclear Weapon on a US City once they have the capability. They are not rational people, they are barbaric.

[eweissenbach]

A Muslim does not drink. People are killed in accidents and that is accidental. The folks that drove those airplanes into those buildings were aiming to kill. You don't have to think much about radical Islamic people when you board a plane because our government is worrying about them.

I'm done. On this thread. I pray we aren't all done eventually by extreme Islam.

Accidents are one thing - drinking to excess and subsequently driving an automobile is an intentional act of aggression.

[Villages PL]

What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.

That's a good point. Why all the added airport security? Is it to deter militant Christians? Skin heads? Jews? Buddhists? None of the above.

All the airport security is an effort to deter Muslim extremists.

[Tennisnut]

We are talking about extreme Islamic terrorists.

No, you are only talking about extreme Islamic terrorist. Others on this post are also talking about the fact we also fear other terrorist of a non-Islamic faith while also noting that extreme Islamaist do not have a monopoly on hate.

[Suzi]

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heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.

Excuse me, but I think there ARE many religious, ethnic and idealogical groups who speak out against egregious acts. It happens and is in the news every day. So yes, I think every Muslim (for sure in this country where their lives are not in daily danger) should be in a position to defend their religion as a peaceful religious organization. They should speak out and condemn Islamic terrorist activity. They should form groups, organizations, think-tanks etc, etc. to deal with the Islamic terror that is being FORCED on the world. They should be part of the solution since they are part of America and have been given the freedom to practice their religion without fear of death. The rest of the world is not so lucky. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

[Indydealmaker]

Regardless of religion or affiliation, a Terrorist is anyone or any entity that intentionally attacks non-military targets, or uses civilians as shields.