Simplifying and Solving the Mid-East Conflict

[Carl in Tampa]

FIRST understand the nature of the conflict.

1. Jews and Arabs descend from a common ancestor, Abraham, in The Bible. The Arabs descend from Ishmael, son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian handmaid of Abraham's wife. The Jews descend from Isaac, Abraham's second son, born to Abraham's wife Sarah. Enmity between the two lines extends back to when Hagar and Ishmael were expelled from the camp at Sarah's insistence.

2. Enmity between the lines was accented when Muhammad wrote down The Koran around 623 AD, which he believed was given to him by Allah. The reason that Islamic fundamentalists (currently characterized as terrorists) are seeking to kill all Jews is because that is their understanding of the instructions given by Allah as seen in the Koran. More moderate Muslims do not take these passages so literally.

3. The situation is exacerbated by an internecine battle within the Islamic faith. When Muhammad died there was dispute among his followers and family regarding who should succeed him as Caliph of the Islamic community. The story is long and convoluted, but it resulted in the establishment of the major lines of Islam that you have probably heard about, the Sunni and the Shiite. Wars between the two factions are still going on today.

4. As mid-East nations face melt-down, with territorial boundaries becoming fluid, particularly in Syria and Iraq with the establishment of the ISIS Caliphate, the U.S. cannot even decide whom to support. In the final analysis, whichever side wins, they will still want to oppose the U.S. later.

THIS IS THE SOLUTION

1. These tensions are centuries old, and some people insist that they cannot be solved. It is true that some of these old animosities cannot be wiped out. However, we have not had such extensive terrorism in the past. Why?

2. The current high level of terrorism is fueled by money. Specifically, it is fueled by the extensive billions of money that has flowed to the Islamic countries by sale of the oil under their sands. That is the fault of the United States.

3. Unleash the fossil fuel producers and processors in the United States and we can strangle the economies of the Islamic countries, forcing them to curtail funding of terrorists. Let the oil companies drill; let the coal mines produce; let the natural gas companies bring up the gas. We are known to have enough fossil fuel to become the greatest energy exporting nation in the world.

4. For too long we have allowed extremist environmentalists to retard our economy. Unleashing our fossil fuel industry would not only bring down financing for terrorists, but also bring us to full employment.

5. An additional result of having us become an oil exporter to Europe would enable Germany and France to embargo Russian oil. Oil exports are a major factor in the Russian economy. This would likely deter them from further land grabs like Crimea and Ukraine.

All this, without firing a shot.

All it takes is the political will. We have the industrial capability.

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[kittygilchrist]

Amen to that, Carl. I missed you on here. You've typed a tome...thanks....
Just frack it and pipe it.

[sharonga]

Thank you Carl. Now I finally understand.

[sunnyatlast]

"The current high level of terrorism is fueled by money."

And while we're at it, how about stopping the flow of money to jihad-style environmentalists who are getting money from "somewhere" to impede the building of our nation's energy independence.

[steamdogman]

Sounds like a political post to me! How about fueling Israel. We have and continue to fund them with both money and arms.

[l2ridehd]

Could not have said it better. One other item that is causing us issues is some of that oil money comes back to the US in the form of support for anti energy independence and support for those who oppose drilling. All you have to do is look at who benefits the most from the US not becoming more energy independent.

Approve the Keystone pipeline now. Canada will sell that oil to China if we don't resolve this issue.

I am for supporting every type of energy out there. Wind, solar, nuclear, gas, oil, tides, any and all. But what you never do is penalize one form to try to force use of another. That is just plain stupid. But, that's what comes from our great leaders today.

[keywest]

Very well said, Carl....and you are not speaking off the top of your head. You have included truths in what you said.

[jbdlfan]

Great Stuff Carl.
I might add.....increase incentives here to becoming less fossil fuel dependent. Wind, solar and thermal sources research should be put on steroids in order to also provide sustainable energy. I know we have an abundance of fossil fuel, but I'm sure we would all like cleaner sources if it is affordable.

[graciegirl]

Great Stuff Carl.
I might add.....increase incentives here to becoming less fossil fuel dependent. Wind, solar and thermal sources research should be put on steroids in order to also provide sustainable energy. I know we have an abundance of fossil fuel, but I'm sure we would all like cleaner sources if it is affordable.


Great post.

[Polar Bear]

...increase incentives here to becoming less fossil fuel dependent. Wind, solar and thermal sources research should be put on steroids in order to also provide sustainable energy...

I'm for pursuing all forms of energy, but not for subsidizing one over another. Let the wind, solar, and other energy industries show that they can be competitive with fossil fuels.

[graciegirl]

I'm for pursuing all forms of energy, but not for subsidizing one over another. Let the wind, solar, and other energy industries show that they can be competitive with fossil fuels.

I agree. No pie in the sky. Let private industry do it.

[PennBF]

What I do object to is calling them "Terrorists". They are organized psychopaths who have no conscience and to say they are anything else gives them some form of justification for what they do. We have seen this throughout history and somehow find ways to smooth over their killing fields. They have many ways to demonstrate their psychopathic methods which include convincing the youth to strap bombs on their bodies and kill themselves. In the book "The Year 2000" written in the 90's the author wrote that we would never fight the Russians or China as they fignt for land. But we could fight the Japanese again etc. as they fight for religion. Well, we are getting deeper and deeper involved in Religious wars. It is not our fault as we are being attacked for our belief and that is the basis for alot of the problems ALONG with the oil and it's effect in funding the crazies who now control some of the most financial rewarding lands in the world. We cannot and should not be cowards but rather hit back with the same force being used against us. I always loved the statement that Patton made to his troops. He said he did not want them to die for their country. He wanted them to make the other guy die for his.:mad:

[Shimpy]

:agree::agree::agree::agree:

[Tennisnut]

I agree. No pie in the sky. Let private industry do it.

Private industry did not develop fracking. It was $100 million government research project and and and has been supported by billions in tax breaks.

[Radioman41]

Great post Carl! The mainstream media is trying to shift the blame to Israel.

[Tennisnut]

Great post Carl! The mainstream media is trying to shift the blame to Israel.

The Israelis are definitely winning! Unfortunately too many innocent people are dying.

[kittygilchrist]

I agree. No pie in the sky. Let private industry do it.

AND.. Oil is being held back by the...well anyway, nobody will LET private industry do it.

[kittygilchrist]

Private industry did not develop fracking. It was $100 million government research project and and and has been supported by billions in tax breaks.

Shooters - A "Fracking" History |American Oil & Gas History (http://aoghs.org/technology/shooters-well-fracking-history/)

https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/fossil-power/fracking-a-look-back

Would you mind providing a link to your research where government invented fracking?

[Polar Bear]

Private industry did not develop fracking. It was $100 million government research project and and and has been supported by billions in tax breaks.


So...do you mean it's a good thing?

[kittygilchrist]

So...do you mean it's a good thing?

Sometimes your polar bear looks quizzical and it tickles me!

[SheilaO]

Thanks Carl, You put it very basic and easy to understand…I didn't know that I didn't know…And, I agree wholeheartedly!!!!

[jbdlfan]

I'm for pursuing all forms of energy, but not for subsidizing one over another. Let the wind, solar, and other energy industries show that they can be competitive with fossil fuels.

OK, let me rephrase that. Offer tax incentive for the research and development of alternative fuels. Why not? Do you realize how self sufficient some geographic areas would become if they had the chance to develop wind and solar power? The job creation alone would pay for the tax incentive. Cut a companies property tax if they build a wind turbine on their property, same with installing solar panels.

[Steve9930]

It will never be solved because of the money and greed.

[nitehawk]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44046&stc=1&d=1406805781
Only allow in the state of Florida

[graciegirl]

It will never be solved because of the money and greed.

And because our economy, our very existence is tied to energy and so many people are uninformed and just keep spouting rhetoric. There will not be effort toward that pipeline. Unless things change.

Sometimes you have to prioritize things if you want to continue to exist.
Environmentalism is good if it doesn't get to be a religion.

[nitehawk]

If you want a pipeline --- do not export the product and have me pay high price for the oil or gas --- I do not want big oil and gas make large profits at my expense --- I know i will never see lower gas or oil prices as long a big business and the govt are in bed together --- big business is the govt.

[graciegirl]

If you want a pipeline --- do not export the product and have me pay high price for the oil or gas --- I do not want big oil and gas make large profits at my expense --- I know i will never see lower gas or oil prices as long a big business and the govt are in bed together --- big business is the govt.

Big business keeps the economy alive. Kept many people employed. Still does. Big business was fair to us for over fifty years and still gives us good insurance. Big business builds the car you drive, brings you the food you eat, saves you money by buying in bulk at the grocery store. If the government was run in the black, THEN it would be like big business.

BOY HOWDY

[redwitch]

I would love to see the U.S. become energy independent but I don't trust private industry to do it safely. I don't want strip mining. I don't want another oil spill. Another Three-Mile Island is not acceptable.

However, I do believe that America has the wherewithal to mine, drill, build safely -- both environmentally safe and industrially safe. We can't take shortcuts. We also need to work on all methods of energy -- wind, solar, atomic, water. They'll all need subsidizing to do this in a safe and sane manner, at least to really get going, but the returns should be worth the cost.

[festusrules]

Just need a coin flip. Winner gets Gaza. Loser moves to land donated by their supporters.



:wave:

[kittygilchrist]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aI2ZlI7pLoc

Coin toss?
Brilliant.
Why not just do that for deciding US elections?
Naah,nobody would agree to be tails.

The video has nothing to do with the thread except it's a piano piece called "i give up."
It 's my new invisilink. Click in the space and tell me if it works.
Bear w/ me----new ipad user.

[Polar Bear]

Big business keeps the economy alive. Kept many people employed. Still does. Big business was fair to us for over fifty years and still gives us good insurance. Big business builds the car you drive, brings you the food you eat, saves you money by buying in bulk at the grocery store. If the government was run in the black, THEN it would be like big business...

What gracie said.

[Villages PL]

Carl, :agree: and I :pray: your plan will work.

[Carl in Tampa]

Just need a coin flip. Winner gets Gaza. Loser moves to land donated by their supporters.
:wave:

The battle in Gaza is not for possession of the land.

The Gaza Strip was taken over from Egypt by Israel in 1967 when Israel won the Six Day War. Thereafter it was populated by Palestinians and Jews, who did not live in harmony.

Then, in 2005, Israel arranged for the complete withdrawal of Jews from the Gaza Strip, leaving it to Palestinians to govern. Israel gave away the land in exchange for expected peace. However, peace did not result.

Gaza became a launching point for terrorist bombings on Israel, particularly suicide bombers who strapped on bombs and detonated them on Israeli buses. To prevent the bombings Israel built a wall around the Gaza Strip. Movement from Gaza into Israel is tightly controlled.

Israel learned that Hamas, governing Gaza, was digging tunnels under the wall, reinforced with concrete that was given to Gaza for building schools, and was using the tunnels to access Israel for terrorism activities. Also, rockets and other military equipment was being brought in by sea. Accordingly Israel instituted a blockade to try to prevent importation of these rockets.

Hamas is a political organization with a charter. One element of this charter is the destruction of Israel. To this end they fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Israel protects themselves with a moderately successful anti-missile system, and fires rockets in return, targeted at the source of the Hamas rockets. Before firing, they drop leaflets on the civilian population telling them to leave before the bombardment. Hamas tells the civilians not to leave, raising the civilian death count.

The present heightened effort of Israel is in support of the effort to find and destroy the tunnels under their walls and finding and destroying the rockets that Hamas holds. The hope is that the population of Gaza will get rid of the Hamas followers in their midst, as the Palestinians on the West Bank have done.

SO, you see the battle is not about possession of Gaza, which the Israelis turned over to the Palestinians years ago.

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