Immigrants to be Housed in 'Suites' Near San Antonio

[TexaninVA]

Apparently, we are now not only the most generous country in world history, but also clearly the dumbest to do something like this for people who enter here illegally.

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Immigrants to be Housed in 'Suites' Near San Antonio

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Updated: Jul 31, 2014 12:32 PM

KARNES CITY - Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Friday will open a refurbished detention center three hours north of the Rio Grande Valley.

The Karnes City center will house women and children who entered the country illegally through the Valley.

The 532-bed facility underwent a massive renovation to house women and children. The center housed only adult immigrants in the past.

Immigrants will be at the facility for an average of 23 days.

The feds said the immigrants will be referred to as "residents" and the rooms as "suites." The suites are furnished with flat-screen television sets and landline telephones. The center has a soccer field covered with artificial turf, ping pong tables and a weight room.

A charter school nearby will provide schooling and access to a library for the immigrant children.

[perrjojo]

Apparently, we are now not only the most generous country in world history, but also clearly the dumbest to do something like this for people who enter here illegally.

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Immigrants to be Housed in 'Suites' Near San Antonio

Immigrants to be Housed in 'Suites' Near San Antonio | KRGV.com | CHANNEL 5 NEWS | Breaking News Breaking Stories (http://www.krgv.com/news/immigrants-to-be-housed-in-suites-near-san-antonio/)



Updated: Jul 31, 2014 12:

KARNES CITY - Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Friday will open a refurbished detention center three hours north of the Rio Grande Valley.

The Karnes City center will house women and children who entered the country illegally through the Valley.

The 532-bed facility underwent a massive renovation to house women and children. The center housed only adult immigrants in the past.

Immigrants will be at the facility for an average of 23 days.

The feds said the immigrants will be referred to as "residents" and the rooms as "suites." The suites are furnished with flat-screen television sets and landline telephones. The center has a soccer field covered with artificial turf, ping pong tables and a weight room.

A charter school nearby will provide schooling and access to a library for the immigrant children.

Yup! I can believe it even though it should be unbelievable.

[njbchbum]

Am waiting to see how many more of these folks NJ will get once the 3 Atlantic City casinos close at the end of the summer! I bet there will be some of our initial allotment of 1,500 will be disappointed they had family to receive them!

You can bet if I were a homeless Vet in the San Antonio area I'd get my butt over there and make a fuss about getting one of those suites - and make a bigger fuss if I didn't get one! I'd be a media feature story!

[VT2TV]

I read in some newspaper that immigrants were brought to Apopka. Wonder what they are doing there??

[billethkid]

the silent majority is getting what it deserves.

Illegals being allowed into our country being benefitted by lawless politicians giving billions of tax dollars of freebies away while America's homeless, poor, less fortunate, disabled vets and other overlooked Americans get nothing close in benefits.

Where is the outrage? Only those directly affected in the border towns or towns where these illegals are being dumped. The rest of us who are not affected (yet!!!) go merrily on our way. But we will ALL be affected in the not too distant future. Our future generations will pay the price in many ways we would not stand for.

The silent majority!!!

[KeepingItReal]

I read in some newspaper that immigrants were brought to Apopka. Wonder what they are doing there??

Does not include the 2014 flood....

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/02/map_illegal_immigrant_population_by_state.html

Unaccompanied Immigrant Minors to Be Placed in Florida Foster Homes (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/16/Unaccompanied-Immigrant-Minors-To-Be-Placed-In-Florida-Foster-Homes)

http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/5000-legal-students-florida-lose-tuition-illegals/

[TexaninVA]

the silent majority is getting what it deserves.

Illegals being allowed into our country being benefitted by lawless politicians giving billions of tax dollars of freebies away while America's homeless, poor, less fortunate, disabled vets and other overlooked Americans get nothing close in benefits.

Where is the outrage? Only those directly affected in the border towns or towns where these illegals are being dumped. The rest of us who are not affected (yet!!!) go merrily on our way. But we will ALL be affected in the not too distant future. Our future generations will pay the price in many ways we would not stand for.

The silent majority!!!

Yes where is the outrage ... exactly!! This policy is so insane, so stupid and so unbelievable--not to mention discriminatory and unfair to current LEGAL citizens -- it's like you have to wonder if the Federal Gov't has literally lost its mind??? It's time for a "peaceful revolution" whereby we the people constrain the powers of the government to prevent them from doing idiotic things like this.

[senior citizen]

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[njbchbum]

Yes where is the outrage ... exactly!! This policy is so insane, so stupid and so unbelievable--not to mention discriminatory and unfair to current LEGAL citizens -- it's like you have to wonder if the Federal Gov't has literally lost its mind??? It's time for a "peaceful revolution" whereby we the people constrain the powers of the government to prevent them from doing idiotic things like this.

I thought that was called voting! ;)

[sunnyatlast]

"Apparently, we are now not only the most generous country in world history, but also clearly the dumbest to do something like this for people who enter here illegally."

"Laughingstock" is a better word for what "our" elected politicians are knowingly committing and accepting "on our behalf".

And the people coming here, just as we would if in their awful circumstances, are called illegal "aliens". Look it up in the U.S. Code (statutory law). "Alien" comes up with 1,234 occurrences.

Political correctness is erasing the true concepts of what is taking this country down, mocking the laws made to protect our nation's integrity.

[janmcn]

"Apparently, we are now not only the most generous country in world history, but also clearly the dumbest to do something like this for people who enter here illegally."

"Laughingstock" is a better word for what "our" elected politicians are knowingly committing and accepting "on our behalf".

And the people coming here, just as we would if in their awful circumstances, are called illegal "aliens". Look it up in the U.S. Code (statutory law). "Alien" comes up with 1,234 occurrences.

Political correctness is erasing the true concepts of what is taking this country down, mocking the laws made to protect our nation's integrity.



The situation today is so similar to what happened in Miami in the 1960's when the Cubans started to arrive. Fidel Castro emptied his prisons and leper colonies, and look at the mess we have today.

[buggyone]

The situation today is so similar to what happened in Miami in the 1960's when the Cubans started to arrive. Fidel Castro emptied his prisons and leper colonies, and look at the mess we have today.

...and as we all know, "a leper can't change his spots".

[buggyone]

Apparently, we are now not only the most generous country in world history, but also clearly the dumbest to do something like this for people who enter here illegally.

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Immigrants to be Housed in 'Suites' Near San Antonio

KARNES CITY - Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Friday will open a refurbished detention center three hours north of the Rio Grande Valley.

The Karnes City center will house women and children who entered the country illegally through the Valley.

The 532-bed facility underwent a massive renovation to house women and children. The center housed only adult immigrants in the past.


Immigrants will be at the facility for an average of 23 days.

The feds said the immigrants will be referred to as "residents" and the rooms as "suites." The suites are furnished with flat-screen television sets and landline telephones. The center has a soccer field covered with artificial turf, ping pong tables and a weight room.

A charter school nearby will provide schooling and access to a library for the immigrant children.

The facility is a refurbished detention facility. The rooms are CALLED suites.

Would it be better to have the women and children housed in 8x12 jail cells with a single hanging light bulb?

I doubt if any of the people on this forum would choose to stay in a refurbished detention center for 23 days.

[rubicon]

In my view, instead of spending money on housing, food, medical care and drivers licenses, the moment illegals are discovered they should be returned immediately and directly to their source of origin and on the way back home they can fed them and help with their heath care needs.

given the state of our economy, this upside down immigration policy Washington scandals and our inept foreign policy blunders Congress should never have been allowed vacation. Politicians are no longer farmers who need to go home and tend to their crops.

This country is going to hell in a hand basket and these jokers all want to get some golf in and lay in the sun.:rant-rave:

[karostay]

Were all immigrants

[buggyone]

Whatever happened to the Texan idea of calling out the Texas National Guard for the "Bayonets On The Border" plan? Was it scrapped or what?

[Trish Crocker]

I don't have an answer or solution, all I know is that I thank God that I don't have to send my child to another country in order to keep them alive. Of course it's not a good situation and as a country we are forced to determine the right thing to do, not only to keep our 'real' citizens happy but to also be humane. I am appalled at the actions of many people, people who profess to be Christians. I have never, ever seen hatred like this. You try living in one of these 'suites'...picture your child there, alone, afraid. Heaven forbid they should be able to play ping pong. Let's punish them. Let's see, what would make you happy...dirt floors, gruel, rocks to play with. Is it the 'flat screen' tvs that bother you? Would it be ok if they had old tube type tvs? Maybe they shouldn't be entertained at all....they don't deserve it...they aren't American. Let them wallow in filth and stare at the ceiling until we can toss them back over the border. Yep, that's what Jesus would do.

[buggyone]

I don't have an answer or solution, all I know is that I thank God that I don't have to send my child to another country in order to keep them alive. Of course it's not a good situation and as a country we are forced to determine the right thing to do, not only to keep our 'real' citizens happy but to also be humane. I am appalled at the actions of many people, people who profess to be Christians. I have never, ever seen hatred like this. You try living in one of these 'suites'...picture your child there, alone, afraid. Heaven forbid they should be able to play ping pong. Let's punish them. Let's see, what would make you happy...dirt floors, gruel, rocks to play with. Is it the 'flat screen' tvs that bother you? Would it be ok if they had old tube type tvs? Maybe they shouldn't be entertained at all....they don't deserve it...they aren't American. Let them wallow in filth and stare at the ceiling until we can toss them back over the border. Yep, that's what Jesus would do.

Excellent post!:wave:

[rubicon]

Were all immigrants

Hi karostay: Actually those families whose children were born in America after they emigrated are Americans (first generation Americans, second ,etc). Also those immigrants who came to America via the front door and studied to become Americans are American once they take the oath. However illegal aliens by any other name is still an illegal alien

What we are witnessing right now is mass hysteria and hyperbole created by politicians. The illegals coming over the border are placing themselves in harms way making this journey.

I understand the reasoning behind your comment but I respectively disagree.

Illegals need to be sent home immediately and then if they still want to come to America, then come through the front door

[mikeandnancy1112]

Well said, Trish!

[jbdlfan]

Ok, I'm going to ask a question I asked before but nobody gave a direct answer. Many of these folks are children that came here with other children. In some cases, the oldest was 10-12 while looking out for brothers and sisters as young as 4. NO ADULTS, where do you propose we send them. They are children for goodness sakes.(adults are a different argument) Wouldn't it make more sense to take these children in and SHOW them why America is excellent? Take them an educate them so they could become thriving contributors to our society. Teach them to love this country as much as you or I do. Or.........send them back and to a country that doesn't want them, won't cloth or feed them, has no standard of living and will eventually teach them that we are evil?

[Trish Crocker]

Ok, I'm going to ask a question I asked before but nobody gave a direct answer. Many of these folks are children that came here with other children. In some cases, the oldest was 10-12 while looking out for brothers and sisters as young as 4. NO ADULTS, where do you propose we send them. They are children for goodness sakes.(adults are a different argument) Wouldn't it make more sense to take these children in and SHOW them why America is excellent? Take them an educate them so they could become thriving contributors to our society. Teach them to love this country as much as you or I do. Or.........send them back and to a country that doesn't want them, won't cloth or feed them, has no standard of living and will eventually teach them that we are evil?

Great (and true) post. How about the politician that stood on the street to yell at the busses?
...geeez

[graciegirl]

Ok, I'm going to ask a question I asked before but nobody gave a direct answer. Many of these folks are children that came here with other children. In some cases, the oldest was 10-12 while looking out for brothers and sisters as young as 4. NO ADULTS, where do you propose we send them. They are children for goodness sakes.(adults are a different argument) Wouldn't it make more sense to take these children in and SHOW them why America is excellent? Take them an educate them so they could become thriving contributors to our society. Teach them to love this country as much as you or I do. Or.........send them back and to a country that doesn't want them, won't cloth or feed them, has no standard of living and will eventually teach them that we are evil?

They need their moms far more than they need a new experience in a new place no matter what an opportunity it presents. I think they should be treated kindly and returned to their parents.. Some say you don't know what you would do if your child lived in awful conditions. I know that no one would ever separate me from my dependent child. EVER. It isn't right and it isn't what mothers do. I feel their parents are using them. If they want to be here, then come and leave the little ones back there with their grandparents. Don't use them as pawns.

I am not alone. Over half of the U.S. population on both sides of the political aisle feel as I do.

[jbdlfan]

You're right Gracie. In a perfect world they should be with their mommies. But, as you have asked, what kind of mother sends her child away like that. I see this as a golden opportunity for us as a nation.
As far as over half the population agreeing with you, I would really reconsider whether that is a good thing or not. (Remember our elections every four years) ;0

[steamdogman]

What I would post would probable get me banned for life on Talkofthevillages.com. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Trish Crocker]

Try living with your children in an area filled with drug cartels and poverty...you know that no matter what you do your children will end up either in drugs, victims of sex crimes or dead. Do you really, by ANY stretch of imagination, think that because these people are impoverished their feelings for their children is less that what you feel? I'm sure that most of these mothers feel that their hearts were being ripped out when they had to say goodbye. Historically, people all over the world had to watch their children leave to find a better life. There was no agenda, just sacrificial love on the part of our ancestors so we could enjoy the life we have here. The monies spent on these children is mere fraction of the tax money the politicians are squandering. The arrogance and entitlement of some Americans makes me sick.

[karostay]

Hi karostay: Actually those families whose children were born in America after they emigrated are Americans (first generation Americans, second ,etc). Also those immigrants who came to America via the front door and studied to become Americans are American once they take the oath. However illegal aliens by any other name is still an illegal alien

What we are witnessing right now is mass hysteria and hyperbole created by politicians. The illegals coming over the border are placing themselves in harms way making this journey.

I understand the reasoning behind your comment but I respectively disagree.

Illegals need to be sent home immediately and then if they still want to come to America, then come through the front door
What oath did we take when as took the land from the American Indians.
Like I said were all Immigrants just new rules we tend to change them as needed

[njbchbum]

Try living with your children in an area filled with drug cartels and poverty...you know that no matter what you do your children will end up either in drugs, victims of sex crimes or dead.
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Trish - That sounds just like Detroit, Chicago, downtown Orlando, etc. Two streets away from my house there is one of several local 'projects' in my community. The picture you paint is exactly what goes on there. The killings in our town are all related to a variety of drug gangs fighting over territory and killing for unpaid drug accounts. My family participates with and funds resources for the kids there thru Big Brothers and Sisters. Beyond our federal taxes we spend our social assistance funds locally...we have no more $$ to fund illegal immigration.

Let the illegals be returned to their homes or to the families who are supposed to be here to receive them; and let the rest of us try to better the lives of the less fortunate who already live among us.

[coalminer]

Im with you Trish. Im amazed of how many self righteous supposedly God loving people are out there with these easy answers to very complex issues. We have heard them spout off before, "let em starve", " bomb them to hell", " if they dont like it send em back to where they come from". I remember a guy named Hitler who had a easy "solution" to what he considered a complex issue.

[rubicon]

What oath did we take when as took the land from the American Indians.
Like I said were all Immigrants just new rules we tend to change them as needed

Hi karostay: I did get your point but its a straw man argument. Let me ask when the American Indians traveled here to North America do you suppose these American Indians" took an oath before taking the land from the then natives? You don't believe that from the Pilgrims to the mass exit of people from Europe THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR of American these so called immigrants and their offspring haven't earned their place here.

I am afraid you paint with too much of a wide brush an immigrant by any other name is not always an immigrant. sometimes they are called illegal aliens and they need to be properly processed through the front door as have millions upon millions of people before them.

And finally just think that but for those legal immigrants this world would have never known the greatest and most generous nation on his earth since the beginning of time

God Bless you and America

[graciegirl]

What oath did we take when as took the land from the American Indians.
Like I said were all Immigrants just new rules we tend to change them as needed


WE didn't do it. WE didn't bring the slaves here. WE didn't harm the Native Americans. WE didn't keep slaves, WE didn't fight in the Crusades. THIS IS NOW AND THE ISSUE IS NOW.

My immigrant grandparents had to have a sponsor. My grandfather was indentured. People who entered this country legally in our lifetime had to be able to take care of themselves.

We aren't able to run our country in the black as it is. We cannot take in every soul who is not doing well in the rest of this entire world. WE cannot afford it. WE may feel very bad, but we can't fix all of the woes of the world. I do not like to hear that those who are against the present mess are painted as unkind and unfeeling.

We have more than we can deal with right now in this country. We need to focus on the people who live here first.

http://americanfreepress.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Poverty2-300x231.jpg


AND I would listen to the people who live in Texas where this is happening. Not someone like me from Ohio. Ohio and Michigan and Indiana and Kentucky have very few immigrants from the south compared to Texas and the border states.

AND I blame President Bush for first allowing the laws to be ignored

[perrjojo]

Im with you Trish. Im amazed of how many self righteous supposedly God loving people are out there with these easy answers to very complex issues. We have heard them spout off before, "let em starve", " bomb them to hell", " if they dont like it send em back to where they come from". I remember a guy named Hitler who had a easy "solution" to what he considered a complex issue.

I understand your feelings but it I just don't think any of this bodes well for these children. Where will they stay? In a barracks in a converted military base or prison? Who will feed them, wash their clothes and kiss their boo boos. A Government contracted group is doing that now. I know first hand that the Texas Baptist Men were helping in Brownwood, TX , but were sent home by FEMA who is now contracting out that work. Where will they work when we still have high unemployment? WE will all be paying for these children through our taxes. I don't see any humane solution here. It is tragic but PLEASE....what are we doing in our own country? We have 6000 homeless children in our area. We have thousands living in the Ocala woods. We will just creat another mass of homeless, unemployed people. When we find homes for the 6000 homeless here in our tricounty area and those living in the Ocala Woods I will be in favor of bringing them here. Until then, they must be returned.

[karostay]

WE didn't do it. WE didn't bring the slaves here. WE didn't harm the Native Americans. WE didn't keep slaves, WE didn't fight in the Crusades. THIS IS NOW AND THE ISSUE IS NOW.

My immigrant grandparents had to have a sponsor. My grandfather was indentured. People who entered this country legally in our lifetime had to be able to take care of themselves.

We aren't able to run our country in the black as it is. We cannot take in every soul who is not doing well in the rest of this entire world. WE cannot afford it. WE may feel very bad, but we can't fix all of the woes of the world. I do not like to hear that those who are against the present mess are painted as unkind and unfeeling.


We have more than we can deal with right now in this country. We need to focus on the people who live here first.

The point is we forget the road our nation has taken to get here and we are concerned only with our selfish life style we claim to be caring and giving.
Truth is we don't want to others to infringe on what we have taken . The answer to all the above except crusades is yes we did

[Topspinmo]

Got what the majority voted for! You think will will get worse with all the new voters?

[Shimpy]

Imagine you're a 3- to 8-year-old child. You're totally on your own without adults.

You are asked to walk from Houston, Texas to Minneapolis, Minnesota on your own with no food or belongs to sustain you.

Then you're asked to walk an addition 100 miles past Minnesota.
Could you do it?

· How long would it take you as a 6 year old? (That's the minimum distance these poor, helpless little ones have supposedly walked from Central America to the border of Texas)... again, on their own. They didn't get lost.
· And they survived the journey without help (unless you buy in to the notion that a destitute out-of-work family run out of their homes by gangs and living in squalor somehow came up with $8,000 to $10,000 for EACH child to pay a coyote to take them to the border).


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· How many days would it take for a 6 year old to walk 1220 miles without help, directions, food, sun protection, etc.?
Once again the US Federal Government is LYING to us.
Someone created and implemented this problem, and the media should be figuring out who it is.

[perrjojo]

As I have said before, I am a very compassionate person but there are some things that just aren't being thought through. I was born and raised in Texas My daughter in law is a third generation American. She is also the first person in her large family to speak English. She is the mother of 3 of my grandchildren. I love her and my grandchildren. I am NOT racist. I would love her extended family too except I can't speak to them and get to know them. The wedding was stressful for all due to the language barrier. She was born in a small border town in Texas that today is still 92% Hispanic. Most living there are below the poverty level. These people have not assimilated to the US way of life even now. It makes any type of success far more difficult.

I posted earlier about the Orphan train that came to being because of an over abundance of immigrants in the Northeast. People could not get work because there were too many competing for the jobs. Parents sent the children (over 200,000) out to the Midwest on trains (called Orphan Trains)'because they could not feed them. Many very young were adopted by childless families and lived happily ever after. Most were no more than indentured servants. Many were physically and sexually abused. I see history repeating it's self. It is BECAUSE I have compassion for these children that I feel this situation must be stopped".

[sunnyatlast]

"The immigrants will get medical screenings. Children will receive physicals within 24 hours of arriving at the center and women within a week.

"There is a dentist on site," Lucero said."

Our veterans and their widows and orphans would love to have received such prompt evaluations and treatment!

(CNN) -- Roughly half the schedulers at multiple Veterans Affairs hospitals said they received instructions from supervisors to falsify data and hide the true time it took patients to be seen by a doctor after making an appointment, new details from an internal VA audit show.

Schedulers said supervisors directed them to manipulate information so their centers could meet performance goals, which would help top officials get bonuses, according to documents obtained by CNN.

More VA employees said they were told to falsify data - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/29/politics/va-audit/index.html?iid=article_sidebar)

[TexaninVA]

The facility is a refurbished detention facility. The rooms are CALLED suites.

Would it be better to have the women and children housed in 8x12 jail cells with a single hanging light bulb?

I doubt if any of the people on this forum would choose to stay in a refurbished detention center for 23 days.

To answer your question, it would be better if we had sane polices whereby the illegal alien women and children do not end up in our country in the first place.

This is really a simple problem to solve, but the easy pitch to compassion and “they’re children for pete’s sake” trumps it on the emotional level.
If you agree the best thing is to prevent the problem, here’s what the USG should do.

1. Apply political and, if necessary military, pressure on the Mexican Gov’t to stop the transit on their southern border.

2. Post our National Guard on our border and physically prevent any and all illegals from entering our country, in concern with the Border Patrol and state agencies.

3. For those illegals that get across, a logical step is to then put them on a boat, cross the river going south, and then put them on Mexican soil. Why has no one done that?

4. For those illegals that have to stay in the US until they can be deported, put them up in tent cities in southern Texas and do not fly them all over the country to put them up in facilities that, in some cases, include tennis courts, flat screen TVs, hair salon etc. This is idiotic beyond description, especially when our country is broke but that’s another topic.

As far as no one wanting to stay in the detention center, I think you’re wrong. There are all kinds of American citizens who would indeed choose to stay there because they’re broke. As one example, I would much rather fly a bunch of poverty stricken minority kids from war-torn Chicago and let them stay in a faculty like this, than illegal aliens (which is the correct legal term by the way)

This whole topic has descended into never-never land. The obvious reality is … it’s national suicide to have open borders, and we need to stop this craziness.

[perrjojo]

To answer your question, it would be better if we had sane polices whereby the illegal alien women and children do not end up in our country in the first place.

This is really a simple problem to solve, but the easy pitch to compassion and “they’re children for pete’s sake” trumps it on the emotional level.
If you agree the best thing is to prevent the problem, here’s what the USG should do.

1. Apply political and, if necessary military, pressure on the Mexican Gov’t to stop the transit on their southern border.

2. Post our National Guard on our border and physically prevent any and all illegals from entering our country, in concern with the Border Patrol and state agencies.

3. For those illegals that get across, a logical step is to then put them on a boat, cross the river going south, and then put them on Mexican soil. Why has no one done that?

4. For those illegals that have to stay in the US until they can be deported, put them up in tent cities in southern Texas and do not fly them all over the country to put them up in facilities that, in some cases, include tennis courts, flat screen TVs, hair salon etc. This is idiotic beyond description, especially when our country is broke but that’s another topic.

As far as no one wanting to stay in the detention center, I think you’re wrong. There are all kinds of American citizens who would indeed choose to stay there because they’re broke. As one example, I would much rather fly a bunch of poverty stricken minority kids from war-torn Chicago and let them stay in a faculty like this, than illegal aliens (which is the correct legal term by the way)

This whole topic has descended into never-never land. The obvious reality is … it’s national suicide to have open borders, and we need to stop this craziness.

I agree. Compassion is good but some are forgetting a basic law of physics. Newton's Third Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I am afraid the opposite reaction will not be good for us or these children.

[Rags123]

Just to be clear......I am not unsympathetic, nor a racist, nor whatever the term that applies here. I say that because it seems that nowdays no matter the issue, there is some label to describe all of your "badness".

The thread is about the use of certain facilitities...I get that...the counties have to do what they have to do.

Someone mentioned about the medical attention they will get...GOOD....trust me, disease is crossing the border.

Actually, there are a few hundered dead bodies that have been discovered in Texas of folks who did not make it.

What I want to know......SINCE EVERYONE KNEW THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, HOW DID IT GET TO THIS POINT ?

Not accusatory....I just do not understand how it got to this point. Can someone speak to that please !!!

[TexaninVA]

Were all immigrants

“We are all immigrants” … that’s a nice truism. That’s really inspirational. Let’s see if we can follow the logic this seems to imply:

1. We are all immigrants, therefore

2. We must welcome all immigrants, even if they break our laws to get here. No big deal.

3. In fact, we welcome anyone and everyone from around the world … that’s billions of people … ya’ll come on in! We are the most generous people on earth and have unlimited funds to help you do this … heck, money is no object.

4. In fact, why even bother to have borders or a country at some point? After all, we are guilty of land theft ourselves and therefore must absolve our sins by destroying our country.

5. And, by the way, if you illegal aliens can get here, we’ll put you up in some really nice facilities on the taxpayer dime while millions of our existing taxpaying citizens (who are suckers apparetnly) pay for it even though they need help.

6. Come to think of it, how about if we fly our commercial airliners to Honduras, interview you guys there, save you the trip and we’ll fly you to your resort suite in the US until we can legalize you. Yes, that’s another great idea.

7. By the way, all you illegal aliens … don’t forget to vote (which is really what this whole thing is all about anyway)

[TexaninVA]

The point is we forget the road our nation has taken to get here and we are concerned only with our selfish life style we claim to be caring and giving.
Truth is we don't want to others to infringe on what we have taken . The answer to all the above except crusades is yes we did

The level of guilt exhibited is quite amazing and insightful.

When you use the word "we" are you also saying you, your family and your kids all did it as well? ie I'm asking you to please clarify that just so it's clear.

[buggyone]

To answer your question, it would be better if we had sane polices whereby the illegal alien women and children do not end up in our country in the first place.

This is really a simple problem to solve, but the easy pitch to compassion and “they’re children for pete’s sake” trumps it on the emotional level.
If you agree the best thing is to prevent the problem, here’s what the USG should do.

1. Apply political and, if necessary military, pressure on the Mexican Gov’t to stop the transit on their southern border.

2. Post our National Guard on our border and physically prevent any and all illegals from entering our country, in concern with the Border Patrol and state agencies.

3. For those illegals that get across, a logical step is to then put them on a boat, cross the river going south, and then put them on Mexican soil. Why has no one done that?

4. For those illegals that have to stay in the US until they can be deported, put them up in tent cities in southern Texas and do not fly them all over the country to put them up in facilities that, in some cases, include tennis courts, flat screen TVs, hair salon etc. This is idiotic beyond description, especially when our country is broke but that’s another topic.

As far as no one wanting to stay in the detention center, I think you’re wrong. There are all kinds of American citizens who would indeed choose to stay there because they’re broke. As one example, I would much rather fly a bunch of poverty stricken minority kids from war-torn Chicago and let them stay in a faculty like this, than illegal aliens (which is the correct legal term by the way)

This whole topic has descended into never-never land. The obvious reality is … it’s national suicide to have open borders, and we need to stop this craziness.

My question was NOT answered by this post. I asked if it was better to have the women and children stay in a refurbished detention center in rooms or in cells with bars on the doors and windows. The answer was that they should stay in unairconditoned tents in Texas instead of modern facilities. Wow, real compassion in the Christian mode!

Next it was said that armed soldiers be used to turn back immigrants and possibly use military force to go into Mexico to force their government to turn back immigrants. More Christian compassion here!

I stated that probably no reader of this forum would like to stay in a refurbished detention center (that is called a resort suite in a later post) for 23 days. The reply was to fly MINORITY kids from Chicago into Texas to stay at these detention centers. What? A refurbished detention center room is now a "resort suite"? Minority kids from Chicago being transported to Texas to stay in detention centers? What is next?

[karostay]

The only true natives are Indians
We stole everything they had..The rest is history
WERE ALL IMMIGRANTS like it or not

[TexaninVA]

The only true natives are Indians
We stole everything they had..The rest is history
WERE ALL IMMIGRANTS like it or not

Actually the Indians fought each other like crazy ... the ethic of conquest goes back for eons. The real natives were Aleuts but let's not digress.

instead of shouting, I invite you to reply to my various points about your logical chain. You are advocating open borders, but I'm not sure if you realize that or not.

[VT2TV]

We all need to realize that this country is slowly running out of resources, especially when it comes to any kind of public assistance programs-we are stretched very thin. Healthcare is becoming stretched very thin. I could go on. While I have no doubt that every single person on here would love to help, including me, everything has a limit. An example: If you have 1 meal a day , and 20 people to feed, what would you do? Feed 1 or 2 people who will probably be at least able to survive for a while, or try to share it between the 20 people, and no one would survive. We cannot afford to feed, clothe, educate, and care for the millions of children who live in the same situation the immigrants live in. I agree with whoever said that you could find children living in filth, very little food and clothes, fearing every day of their lives because of guns and drugs and killers living in their neighborhoods or even buildings. Current American children/ citizens living in EQUALLY horrific situations as those that these children came from. This has been going on for years and years in this United States. We have not been able to help these kids. If we cannot fix the horrific situations that are currently here, why would anyone suppose we are accomplishing anything by bringing any more children here. We may be changing their location, but not their problems. We are just bringing their problems here. we are only taking away resources from current American citizens. If these kids stay here, they will either be in the same or worse situations------or, they will be placed on all sorts of public assistance, and live much better than millions of current American citizens/children-not to mention better than our military families, many of whom are living below the poverty level now. As much as we all would love to be everything to everybody, and to cure all ills----we can't. We can't feed our own children, we can't pay our own debts, we are a country so divided. We have got to fix ourselves before we try to fix everyone, or we will not be helping anyone.

[Trish Crocker]

Since one solution is to have an immigrant be sponsored how about allowing some of the unfortunate families that want children but for whatever reason cannot have their own be allowed to sponsor a child?

[wendyquat]

For all the bleeding hearts I wonder how benevolent you'll be feeling when your social security checks go into providing for illegals?

You know I've been very curious about one thing in particular and I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. We are told that these "coyotes" charge thousands of dollars to smuggle these poor children into the US! WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF MONEY COME FROM? Wouldn't you think if the parents had that kind of money surely they could manage to migrate to safer havens to take their children to and keep their families together!

[sunnyatlast]

For all the bleeding hearts I wonder how benevolent you'll be feeling when your social security checks go into providing for illegals?

You know I've been very curious about one thing in particular and I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. We are told that these "coyotes" charge thousands of dollars to smuggle these poor children into the US! WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF MONEY COME FROM? Wouldn't you think if the parents had that kind of money surely they could manage to migrate to safer havens to take their children to and keep their families together!

The money comes from parents and relatives ALREADY HERE, working for cash or for payroll checks with phony social security numbers and green cards they bought. Many parents sneak in to work in the USA, leaving the kids with grandma in Mexico or Guatemala, to work and send the money back there to bring them later.

Meanwhile, the parents working here illegally make sure to have a couple of automatic US citizen anchor babies born in the USA, to cement their rights to stay here together for the anchor babies' birthright to be fully used. And our veterans, active military, and elderly citizens live on peanuts.

[wendyquat]

[quote=sunnyatlast;917208]The money comes from parents and relatives ALREADY HERE, working for cash or for payroll checks with phony social security numbers and green cards they bought. Many parents sneak in to work in the USA, leaving the kids with grandma in Mexico or Guatemala, to work and send the money back there to bring them later.

Meanwhile, the parents working here illegally make sure to have a couple of automatic US citizen anchor babies born in the USA, to cement their rights to stay here together for the anchor babies' birthright to be fully used. And our veterans, active military, and elderly citizens live on peanuts.[/quote

Sad, all the way around!

[senior citizen]

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[buggyone]

What was your source for the "historical" information?

[jbdlfan]

For all the bleeding hearts I wonder how benevolent you'll be feeling when your social security checks go into providing for illegals?

You know I've been very curious about one thing in particular and I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. We are told that these "coyotes" charge thousands of dollars to smuggle these poor children into the US! WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF MONEY COME FROM? Wouldn't you think if the parents had that kind of money surely they could manage to migrate to safer havens to take their children to and keep their families together!

First of all, yes my heart bleeds.
Next, to answer your inquiry, one of the theories surrounding this influx is that the "coyotes" are accepting partial payments with the "travelers" promising to make it up. The coyotes are "employed" by the drug cartels. Well.....how do you think these children and families are going to repay the drug cartel?
Now, this is just a theory for all I know but it does make sense.

[DaleMN]

Mans inhumanity to man is so evident here. I can't even bring myself to read all the mean spirited posts. :doh:

[senior citizen]

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[sunnyatlast]

Mans inhumanity to man is so evident here. I can't even bring myself to read all the mean spirited posts. :doh:

Such piety.....

[Shimpy]

Were all immigrants

BS.....I was born here and so were my parents.

[blueash]

Some posts here are filled with compassion others not so much. And of course factual errors. There were no quotas, none, zero zip for the wave of European immigrants in the late 1800's into the early 1920's. We did set quotas limiting Asian immigration beginning in 1875. The first limits on Europeans was enacted in 1921 as per Wikipedia

"In 1921, the Congress passed the Emergency Quota Act, followed by the Immigration Act of 1924. The 1924 Act was aimed at further restricting the Southern and Eastern Europeans, especially Jews, Italians, and Slavs, who had begun to enter the country in large numbers beginning in the 1890s. Most of the European refugees fleeing the Nazis and World War II were barred from coming to the United States"

So stop spouting lies to support your "send them back and make them wait just like my grandpappy had to" opinion. You are wrong, both factually and IMO morally. These are children escaping the worst social environments imaginable. If we have enough emergency money to send billions to the middle east we can certainly find the money and the compassion for a few tens of thousands of children.

[Barefoot]

[I don't have an answer or solution, all I know is that I thank God that I don't have to send my child to another country in order to keep them alive. Of course it's not a good situation and as a country we are forced to determine the right thing to do, not only to keep our 'real' citizens happy but to also be humane. I am appalled at the actions of many people, people who profess to be Christians. I have never, ever seen hatred like this. You try living in one of these 'suites'...picture your child there, alone, afraid. Heaven forbid they should be able to play ping pong. Let's punish them. Let's see, what would make you happy...dirt floors, gruel, rocks to play with. Is it the 'flat screen' tvs that bother you? Would it be ok if they had old tube type tvs? Maybe they shouldn't be entertained at all....they don't deserve it...they aren't American. Let them wallow in filth and stare at the ceiling until we can toss them back over the border. Yep, that's what Jesus would do.

Good post.

[TexaninVA]

My question was NOT answered by this post. I asked if it was better to have the women and children stay in a refurbished detention center in rooms or in cells with bars on the doors and windows. The answer was that they should stay in unairconditoned tents in Texas instead of modern facilities. Wow, real compassion in the Christian mode!

Next it was said that armed soldiers be used to turn back immigrants and possibly use military force to go into Mexico to force their government to turn back immigrants. More Christian compassion here!

I stated that probably no reader of this forum would like to stay in a refurbished detention center (that is called a resort suite in a later post) for 23 days. The reply was to fly MINORITY kids from Chicago into Texas to stay at these detention centers. What? A refurbished detention center room is now a "resort suite"? Minority kids from Chicago being transported to Texas to stay in detention centers? What is next?

Actually, your question was in fact answered quite clearly.. .you just didn’t like the content. In the meantime, you have not yet identified in any of your posts that I’ve seen a solution to stop the influx of illegal immigration.

So, to be fair, it’s my turn now. I have some questions for you.

1. I noticed you made two comments about (lack of) Christian compassion. I’m guessing you’re not a Christian yourself but rather more secular in your tastes hence your particular turn of phrase. Am I correct?

2. Why do you think it’s compassionate to put illegals in suites at $140 per day while leaving minority kids in bullet ridden neighborhoods where the governance model and family structure has clearly broken down after 50 plus years of misguided social policy … all done ironically enough in the name of compassion? That seems pretty logical as well as compassionate to me. The kids in Chicago and other urban areas live in hellholes every bit as bad as some of the places the illegal kids come from. What about homeless vets, poor people of other backgrounds etc? Why would charity not start at home?

3. More importantly, what would you actually do to STOP the flow? In other words, after you vent about compassion and let us know how much you care etc, along with some other posters, what are you going to actually do to SOLVE the problem?

4. Alternatively, do you even want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants?

Just be honest in your answers is all I’m asking, and don’t mask your intentions and preferences on this important topic.

[buggyone]

Actually, your question was in fact answered quite clearly.. .you just didn’t like the content. In the meantime, you have not yet identified in any of your posts that I’ve seen a solution to stop the influx of illegal immigration.

So, to be fair, it’s my turn now. I have some questions for you.

1. I noticed you made two comments about (lack of) Christian compassion. I’m guessing you’re not a Christian yourself but rather more secular in your tastes hence your particular turn of phrase. Am I correct?

2. Why do you think it’s compassionate to put illegals in suites at $140 per day while leaving minority kids in bullet ridden neighborhoods where the governance model and family structure has clearly broken down after 50 plus years of misguided social policy … all done ironically enough in the name of compassion? That seems pretty logical as well as compassionate to me. The kids in Chicago and other urban areas live in hellholes every bit as bad as some of the places the illegal kids come from. What about homeless vets, poor people of other backgrounds etc? Why would charity not start at home?

3. More importantly, what would you actually do to STOP the flow? In other words, after you vent about compassion and let us know how much you care etc, along with some other posters, what are you going to actually do to SOLVE the problem?

4. Alternatively, do you even want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants?

Just be honest in your answers is all I’m asking, and don’t mask your intentions and preferences on this important topic.

1. No, you are wrong.

2. Ask those minority kids in Chicago if they want to go to a detention center in Texas and see what answer you get.

3. Let them come to the USA.

4. No.

[TexaninVA]

I don't have an answer or solution, all I know is that I thank God that I don't have to send my child to another country in order to keep them alive. Of course it's not a good situation and as a country we are forced to determine the right thing to do, not only to keep our 'real' citizens happy but to also be humane. I am appalled at the actions of many people, people who profess to be Christians. I have never, ever seen hatred like this. You try living in one of these 'suites'...picture your child there, alone, afraid. Heaven forbid they should be able to play ping pong. Let's punish them. Let's see, what would make you happy...dirt floors, gruel, rocks to play with. Is it the 'flat screen' tvs that bother you? Would it be ok if they had old tube type tvs? Maybe they shouldn't be entertained at all....they don't deserve it...they aren't American. Let them wallow in filth and stare at the ceiling until we can toss them back over the border. Yep, that's what Jesus would do.

Well, given what’s going on I don’t think it’s sufficient for you to simply say you don’t know what to do. You need to help figure this out, as well as all of us do, so please think about it some more and see if you can offer some solutions. I invite you to post them here.

Also, it’s very presumptuous IMHO to impugn or categorize practical solutions to stem the flow as ‘hatred.” I think that’s misinformed, and more importantly, too easy of an exit for you. We could all take the easy way out and say … oh yes, we can’t do enough for these poor kids!! Like you and others. I could say what the heck, money is no object. But guess what, this is a HUGE problem and we need to solve it. It’s not hatred to point out the obvious that this cannot go on with totally transforming this Country (which is why some are trying to do just that … but it’s a separate topic)

There are BILLIONS of poor people in the world. We can NOT take everyone on board adults, kids or whoever. That is reality so we all need to deal with it including you.

As far as tossing them back across the border as you put it, would you like for all of them to stay here? Really?? Would you like to maybe invite a few million more to come in? 20 million? 100 million? What’s your limit? Would you like to take a few onboard to live with you and your husband? How about putting some up with your kids and grandkids? Maybe convert all Villages Rec Centers into refugee centers. I’m just curious to know where your definition of compassion ends.? Please enlighten us.

But in the meantime, putting illegal aliens into "suites" while we have plenty of people here who could use the help is not very compassionate at all. Think about the guys from Wildwood or Fruitland Park that cut your yard for crying out loud. It's almost like you have a bias against American citizens who are poor but have a special soft spot if they come across the border illegally.

[buggyone]

Some on this thread are hung up on the word " suite". The facility is a refurbished detention center. There are rooms. Do they have private showers or toilets? I doubt it. I would bet the shower room and bathroom is down the hall and serves several rooms. The average stay is supposed to be 23 days. It is for women and children. Yes, there is supposed to be a telephone and television. No big deal on that. What else are they supposed to do for 23 days?

This is not a Marriott timeshare on Palm Beach but a detention center in Texas.

[Topspinmo]

1. No, you are wrong.

2. Ask those minority kids in Chicago if they want to go to a detention center in Texas and see what answer you get.

3. Let them come to the USA.4. No.

Being you get to direct questions I will direct some. NO you are wrong and don't really have clue. That's the problem Load them up and take them back. THEY ARE ILLEGALLY in this COUntry AND stealing benifits from poor legal citzens that deserve it while it lasts.

[Bay Kid]

No reward for illegal activities, no matter the age.

[Topspinmo]

"that's what Jesus would do? " Really! GOD has nothing to do with it. If he did he would of done something already all over the world. I like how we use trigger words. Like God, undocumented, Climate change, ect. The Fact is they are illegal NOT UNDOCUMENTED and the Gov. that got voted in doing nothing but making it worse. But, that's the future Freeloader's with voting power's spending someone else's money till it runs out. IMO till this country OUT OF red like 18 trillion and climbing, No foreign aid to any country.

Amazing here illegally you get lawyer? for what it's proven fact you are breaking the law. But, lawyer's have to eat and buy basic needs like luxury cars, summer homes, condo, mistresses, and that's IMO what's it about Lawyers making the law so they get paid regardless! O I forgot the vote also.

[buggyone]

"that's what Jesus would do? " Really! GOD has nothing to do with it. If he did he would of done something already all over the world. I like how we use trigger words. Like God, undocumented, Climate change, ect. The Fact is they are illegal NOT UNDOCUMENTED and the Gov. that got voted in doing nothing but making it worse. But, that's the future Freeloader's with voting power's spending someone else's money till it runs out. IMO till this country OUT OF red like 18 trillion and climbing, No foreign aid to any country.

Amazing here illegally you get lawyer? for what it's proven fact you are breaking the law. But, lawyer's have to eat and buy basic needs like luxury cars, summer homes, condo, mistresses, and that's IMO what's it about Lawyers making the law so they get paid regardless! O I forgot the vote also.
:rant-rave::rant-rave::loco::loco::a20:

[janmcn]

rhttp://publicreligion.org/research/2014/07/july-2014-unaccompanied-minors/


Nearly seven in ten Americans say these children should be treated as refugees, according to this poll by the public religion research institute.

Members of congress need to take a trip to Honduras, Guatemala, and I can't remember the third country, before voting again to send them back.


http://publicreligion.org/research/2014/07/july-2014-unaccompanied-minors/

[jblum315]

We can't house our own impoverished families but we can house immigrants?

[TexaninVA]

1. No, you are wrong.

2. Ask those minority kids in Chicago if they want to go to a detention center in Texas and see what answer you get.

3. Let them come to the USA.

4. No.

Buggy, first of all, I genuinely appreciate your honesty. Seems like most people on this board who have (what I would term) extreme Leftist positions often try to mask them or not make it too obvious lest it upset the majority who are often not paying attention. I’ll give you credit -- you have come out directly for Open Borders, loud and clear, so thanks for letting us all know where you truly stand.

I think you are wrong about the minority kids etc. Young males might balk at it I agree, but what would happen if you offered Southside Chicago Moms and their familites a chance to leave, even if only for 23 days, to live in these very nice residential facilities? These Moms worry about their children, including infants and young toddlers, and have to dodge bullets and drug dealers pretty much every day. Don’t fool yourself … a LOT of folks would jump at the chance to get out, even if only for a brief respite. I just cite Chicago as one of many examples.

But, let's get to the main topic ...

Just so people know, and for those who may not have read the earlier posts, I asked you what you would do to actually STOP the flow and you said “Let them come to the USA.” I take that to mean no limits. If that’s not true, please correct me.

When I further asked if you even want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants, you simply said “no.” I think this position is not only morally wrong, but incredibly damaging to our country. The reasons are obvious to most. Suffice it to say it boils down to a math problem. The number of impoverished people who would love to come to the USA, is INFINITE for all practical purposes. We simply cannot do it and it will not work.

If someone wants to literally destroy America over time, Open Borders is about the best way to do it short of some type of military event. Once people understand what is at stake, most will resist and fight back to prevent it. The current challenge in responding is, given that “children” are involved, many Americans are immobilized from doing anything. Then the arguments about “hate” and “lack of compassion” emerge … with none of the “compassionate” ever telling us how they would actually solve the problem of unrestricted illegal immigration.

[TexaninVA]

Some on this thread are hung up on the word " suite". The facility is a refurbished detention center. There are rooms. Do they have private showers or toilets? I doubt it. I would bet the shower room and bathroom is down the hall and serves several rooms. The average stay is supposed to be 23 days. It is for women and children. Yes, there is supposed to be a telephone and television. No big deal on that. What else are they supposed to do for 23 days?

This is not a Marriott timeshare on Palm Beach but a detention center in Texas.

Actually, you need to provide a full picture of what “we the taxpayers” are now providing to illegal aliens who break our laws to come here. It is much more than being “hung up” on the word “suite.”

• First of all, it is no longer referred to as a detention center but rather as a “resident center.”
• The illegal aliens, instead of being referred to as detainees, are referred to as “residents”
• Illegals will be given a free health examination upon arrival
• Illegals also get six sets of free clothing
• Doctors attention will be available at all times … free of course (which always means the taxpayer pasy)
• “Residents” will have free access to a dentist
• Other amenities include recreational fields, a library, internet access, and a cafeteria which will serve three all-you-can-eat meals a day. “Free” of course.
• Recreation activities include exercise equipment, a soccer field, basketball court, and volleyball court.
• Certified teachers will also be on site to provide year-round education .Free!
• Small jobs will also be available paying $3 a day for four hours of work.
• Free immigration attorney services … the purpose of which in all practicality is to find a way to enable the illegals to stay in the US
• Families will be able to move throughout the center freely from 6am to 10pm.
• Visitors will be allowed from 8am to 8pm.
• Cable television is available in each 8-person suite.
• A computer lab allows some internet access and email services but restricts social media.

Now, while I know you have no problem with giving illegals all this “free stuff” and in fact seemingly dismiss it as no big deal, I think most people find this to be a big deal indeed. Let’s see if I can pick the correct term .. outrageous? Idiotic? Unbelievable? Incredible? I could go on, and I’m sure others could add to my list of words.

Some people on this board also think that to say this is “mean” or “hateful”. I disagree. While they may think they are being compassionate, I say they are disconnected from reality and common sense. Sure, everyone feels sorry for the little kids but guess what, we can NOT fix the world, and the time has come to draw a line.

Do you think that when “residents” telephone home to Central America that they say “stay away, this place is horrible?” No, of course not, it’s “get on the first death train you can find … these crazy Americans are giving away all kinds of stuff away. You won’t believe it!!” I still don’t believe it. It results in even more illegals, including children, making the trek to get to the US.

How do you think the local guys who cut your grass here in The Villages, and who live on the financial edge, many of whom can’t afford a doctor, and most of whom have never even seen a dentist feel about putting illegal aliens in “suites”? These guys all WORK their butts off, and pay taxes, even if not much, but don’t get any of this “free” stuff. Is that really enlightened? What about the hundreds of homeless who live in the Ocala Forest? You get the picture. It goes way beyond the word “suite.”

Most Americans, once they really understand what is going on, will have one common reaction … fury. When they realize that many of those who support the “suites” actually support Open Borders, they will feel duped and their level of anger will justifiably increase further.

[buggyone]

The guys who cut our grass are all citizens of the US? Do you really think that? Anyhow, if they cannot afford a doctor, that is the purpose of the Affordable Care Act. It is provided to those who cannot pay. They are eligible for food stamps and various types of social welfare - which is only right.

As for those living in the Ocala forest, most are mentally ill and do not work or want to live elsewhere. Many still receive their VA disability checks even though they are homeless.

As for the services provided to the immigrants at the detention center - it sounds perfectly right to me.

I have never called your posts mean or hateful. It is your opinion and the free exchange of opinions is what this forum is about. I respect that just as you do.

[perrjojo]

I'm not very good at math once it gets into the billions but I think 2.7 billion divided by 90,000 possible illegal immigrant children equals $30,000 per child. What about the 6,000 homeless children here in our Tri county area? What are we doing for them? Would 2.7 billion be better spent to solve problems in the Va? Where does it all stop? When do we quit printing money that we don't actually have? 90,000 illegal immigrant children this year, how many will come next year?

[jbdlfan]

• First of all, it is no longer referred to as a detention center but rather as a “resident center.” Who cares
• The illegal aliens, instead of being referred to as detainees, are referred to as “residents” Don't care
• Illegals will be given a free health examination upon arrival Hope so
• Illegals also get six sets of free clothing Um...six pair of underwear and such, probably about $20
• Doctors attention will be available at all times … free of course (which always means the taxpayer pasy) 21 days of healthcare....
• “Residents” will have free access to a dentist 21 days....
• Other amenities include recreational fields, a library, internet access, and a cafeteria which will serve three all-you-can-eat meals a day. “Free” of course. Ouch... bet that is expensive....open field.... um.... wifi is actually pretty cheap
• Recreation activities include exercise equipment, a soccer field, basketball court, and volleyball court. see above
• Certified teachers will also be on site to provide year-round education .Free! Good, I'm all for employing more teachers. Maybe some of the boomerang kids here in The Villages could get a job
• Small jobs will also be available paying $3 a day for four hours of work. I would think you would like this.
• Free immigration attorney services … the purpose of which in all practicality is to find a way to enable the illegals to stay in the US Isn't that the point-legal immigration
• Families will be able to move throughout the center freely from 6am to 10pm. Crazy
• Visitors will be allowed from 8am to 8pm.
• Cable television is available in each 8-person suite. Only 8 people in a "suite"? I'm sure we could get 20 or 30 in there.
• A computer lab allows some internet access and email services but restricts social media.

[VT2TV]

I know this post will probably anger some people, but that truly is not my intent. No matter which side you are on , stop to think about some of the other potential problems with taking in as many illegal immigrants as wants to come here. Most of these kids are not infants or toddlers. They are school aged and above. I don't honestly know if they are problem makers or not, but according to a couple of articles I read, a lot of them were problem makers which is why they were sent here. No, I don't know if that is true any more than anyone knows if it isn't. But suppose it is not true---at the very least, all of these kids as well as all the others that will follow will need to be educated. Our schools are over-flowing now, and as much as the teachers may try, they can only be stretched so thin. You try to add 3,4,5,100 times as many kids and teachers will quit just like doctors and nurses did when the ACA started. You may have the most dedicated perople at their job, but there are limits to what they can stand. Not to mention that the only way many teachers now can teach is to provide so many of the needed supplies themselves out of their own money. They certainly would not be able to afford to teach with so many extra kids. Classrooms-so crowded that in some places, kids are having to sit on the floor in the classrooms now-and yes, I read that in our local paper about 4 years ago, I won't even talk about the cost, but I hope everyone saved a lot of money when they were working, or are willing to go back to work. And this is a very small part of the problems. You may as well forget about anything except the bare basics in school-no money for any arts programs, or fitness. No money for the sports programs which often help underpriviledged kids have a chance to go to college, etc, etc. I could name so much more. And that is the good part--if these are problem kids, it could happen that bullies and gangs will make it so that not only the kids will be afraid to go to school, but the teachers as well. When you take problem people and change their location, you also take the problems with them. And yes, kids can be just as mean and violent as some adults. Public schools could actually cease to be because kids and teachers might be afraid to go to school. One last thing to think about is your grandchildren, or your great grandchildren. If you let all the illegals come into this country that want to , and right now the majority of them seem to be Hispanic, (and I have nothing against Hispanics), then you can bet that your grandkids or great grand kids will be speaking Spanish. The whole concept of school as we knew it would be gone. Think your grandkids will thank you?

[BargeMan]

"Laughingstock" is a more appropriate word for everyone in America as we all sit on the sideline and watch this happen to our Country. We do absolutely nothing to hold our elected officials responsible while the rest of the world watches our sheepish response to situations like this, Bengazi, the IRS, etc. It is as though we have lost our will to even uphold common sense laws and values that WERE the foundation of his great nation. It's no wonder we now seeing Putin expanding relationships with Cuba and other central American countries. He (and the terriorist) now know that America will do absolutely nothing to defend itself or it's people from any aggressors. So we will most likely go to the poles this fall and the majority of voters will re-elect the same idiots that are there in DC today. Wake up America!!

[TexaninVA]

• First of all, it is no longer referred to as a detention center but rather as a “resident center.” Who cares
• The illegal aliens, instead of being referred to as detainees, are referred to as “residents” Don't care
• Illegals will be given a free health examination upon arrival Hope so
• Illegals also get six sets of free clothing Um...six pair of underwear and such, probably about $20
• Doctors attention will be available at all times … free of course (which always means the taxpayer pasy) 21 days of healthcare....
• “Residents” will have free access to a dentist 21 days....
• Other amenities include recreational fields, a library, internet access, and a cafeteria which will serve three all-you-can-eat meals a day. “Free” of course. Ouch... bet that is expensive....open field.... um.... wifi is actually pretty cheap
• Recreation activities include exercise equipment, a soccer field, basketball court, and volleyball court. see above
• Certified teachers will also be on site to provide year-round education .Free! Good, I'm all for employing more teachers. Maybe some of the boomerang kids here in The Villages could get a job
• Small jobs will also be available paying $3 a day for four hours of work. I would think you would like this.
• Free immigration attorney services … the purpose of which in all practicality is to find a way to enable the illegals to stay in the US Isn't that the point-legal immigration
• Families will be able to move throughout the center freely from 6am to 10pm. Crazy
• Visitors will be allowed from 8am to 8pm.
• Cable television is available in each 8-person suite. Only 8 people in a "suite"? I'm sure we could get 20 or 30 in there.
• A computer lab allows some internet access and email services but restricts social media.

The whole point of listing the various services “residents” who enter the country illegally but then receive at the “resident center” is that they are getting some very nice stuff for “free.” People who were born in America don’t get that. Legal immigrants don’t either, and for that matter wait in line and then pay to become citizens. These discrepancies don’t seem to bother you at all.

People who are not bothered in the least by illegal immigration make various arguments to support their position, some of which I paraphrase briefly below(I’m not saying you necessarily believe any or all of what follows btw):

-America stole the land from Mexico… it’s only right we give some of it back!

- We are all immigrants … the Indians were here first and we did a job on them … America is rotten and now it’s our turn to suffer

- It’s compassionate … these immigrants have lousy lives and we have to help. Beside, they’re “children” after all!!

- What’s the big deal with a border anyway?

You however, have made a unique argument and first I’ve ever heard it … it will help employ more teachers. (!!!) This board never ceases to amaze …

Since you’re a teacher, let me ask you some questions please.

1. Do you favor ANY limits on illegal immigration at all? If so, what?

2. Do you support Open Borders? If so, why?

[TexaninVA]

The guys who cut our grass are all citizens of the US? Do you really think that? Anyhow, if they cannot afford a doctor, that is the purpose of the Affordable Care Act. It is provided to those who cannot pay. They are eligible for food stamps and various types of social welfare - which is only right.

As for those living in the Ocala forest, most are mentally ill and do not work or want to live elsewhere. Many still receive their VA disability checks even though they are homeless.

As for the services provided to the immigrants at the detention center - it sounds perfectly right to me.

I have never called your posts mean or hateful. It is your opinion and the free exchange of opinions is what this forum is about. I respect that just as you do.

The crews that cut the grass in our neighborhood are largely Anglo, along with a black crew. The Hispanics seem to work more with the landscaping. But you’re splitting hairs IHMO with the question about citizenship. My point is there is obvious poverty all around The Villages (Wildwood, Oxford etc) and I think it’s wrong to reward illegal aliens, who break the law by definition, with free stuff. It’s the principle of the thing as much as anything else. My objection is amplified when US citizens are in need, food stamps and the promise of free medical care etc notwithstanding.

On your last point, if you go back and read my post again you’ll see I did not say that you (ie Buggy) have called my posts mean or hateful etc. I appreciate that. But, others on this board have said things along those lines during this thread and that’s what I was referring to. No big deal to me, because it’s actually instructive. Some people (again, not you), when they can’t argue their position for unrestricted immigration including illegal immigration, revert to name calling, playing the “compassion” card, or the “children” card etc.

I appreciate and respect the opportunity to have an exchange of views with you and others on this board, and as you note. While I will never understand how you come to some of your views, much less agree with them (and vice versa no doubt), nonetheless these types of exchanges are what makes TOTV so valuable.
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[jbdlfan]

You however, have made a unique argument and first I’ve ever heard it … it will help employ more teachers. (!!!) This board never ceases to amaze …That was tongue in cheek.

Since you’re a teacher, let me ask you some questions please.

1. Do you favor ANY limits on illegal immigration at all? If so, what?

Absolutely I believe in limits to illegal immigration. But until you secure the border, it will not be enforced. But..... these children are here and in many cases, should be granted refugee status. I see this latest influx as a unique situation. These are not Mexican children, these children are mostly form Central and South America. If, and I say if......we can educate these children and turn them into productive, contributing members of our society, we all win. These kids WANT to be here. Look what they have gone through to get here. I'll take a highly motivated kid like that any day. As a teacher, I have had these students in my class. I had a young lady three years ago that could not speak one word of English when she walked into my class. She is now an Honors student in high school. She believes this country is an opportunity for her. Most of these kids feel that way. Why not engage that motivation?????

2. Do you support Open Borders? If so, why?[/QUOTE]

No

[TexaninVA]

Since you’re a teacher, let me ask you some questions please.

1. Do you favor ANY limits on illegal immigration at all? If so, what?

Absolutely I believe in limits to illegal immigration. But until you secure the border, it will not be enforced. But..... these children are here and in many cases, should be granted refugee status. I see this latest influx as a unique situation. These are not Mexican children, these children are mostly form Central and South America. If, and I say if......we can educate these children and turn them into productive, contributing members of our society, we all win. These kids WANT to be here. Look what they have gone through to get here. I'll take a highly motivated kid like that any day. As a teacher, I have had these students in my class. I had a young lady three years ago that could not speak one word of English when she walked into my class. She is now an Honors student in high school. She believes this country is an opportunity for her. Most of these kids feel that way. Why not engage that motivation?????

2. Do you support Open Borders? If so, why?
No

Ok, this is progress. At least you’re not an open borders advocate. :)
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Your comment about helping highly motivated kids is appealing … no problem with that. However, do you think the one student you knew is the exception or the rule? Is she 1 out a 100, or 1 out of 10 or what? How many of the kids who are here illegally are in the lower portion of the bell and will not turn out so well … ie drugs, crime, drain on the system etc? It sounds like you have experience to talk to that so please do.

But, more importantly since this is key as you say, what do you recommend be done to secure the borders?? I totally agree with that, and I think most here do as well. Please share your thoughts on what actions you think should be taken? Much appreciated.

[jbdlfan]

As for the motivation of the students I have had, the Puerto Rican, Colombian, Mexican, Dominican or Haitian have been across the board a more motivated student academically. There are cultural issues regarding boys vs girls that I have realized that do affect the situation. The reason they are low is generally a result of language. I have always pressed my district to test my students in their native language first to determine deficiencies, but hey, it seems folks at the top have education are smarter than the people in the classrooms. (argument for another day)
It will take significant resources and willingness to secure the border. I really don't have a problem with the fence but I will leave that up to the people that live and work there. They know best. As has been mentioned, unless something is done regarding the drug cartels, not much will change. Just my two cents, won't get you much.

[BargeMan]

The American people need to wake up and realize that this whole illegal alien "Southern border" issue is about the politicians buying votes with U.S. citizen tax dollars. The liberal politicians see this as adding to their future voter base and the conservative politicians, who would really like to secure the border, are afraid to stop it because they know that by doing so they will lose more of the Hispanic voting population both now and in the future. The vast majority of the politicians are much more concerned about maintaining or gaining control in Washington, DC than they are about the welfare of the illegals! This is strictly a political battle over the Hispanic votes and nothing more.

[janmcn]

The American people need to wake up and realize that this whole illegal alien "Southern border" issue is about the politicians buying votes with U.S. citizen tax dollars. The liberal politicians see this as adding to their future voter base and the conservative politicians, who would really like to secure the border, are afraid to stop it because they know that by doing so they will lose more of the Hispanic voting population both now and in the future. The vast majority of the politicians are much more concerned about maintaining or gaining control in Washington, DC than they are about the welfare of the illegals! This is strictly a political battle over the Hispanic votes and nothing more.



If what you say is true, how come there was a bi-partisan immigration reform bill passed overwhelmingly by the senate over a year ago? This bill, among other things, would have led to a pathway to citizenship for the eleven million already living here.

[Barefoot]

If what you say is true, how come there was a bi-partisan immigration reform bill passed overwhelmingly by the senate over a year ago? This bill, among other things, would have led to a pathway to citizenship for the eleven million already living here.

That same Immigration bill would have allowed resident aliens from Canada to stay in the USA for eight months in a calendar year. Currently Canadians are only allowed to stay six months in the US in a calendar year, even if they own a home there. As I understand it, that Bill has been stalled in the House for over a year.

This has nothing to do with the topic. However I just wanted to say that every Canadian resident alien I know purchases Emergency Travel Healthcare coverage in Canada before traveling to the US.

[BargeMan]

Both parties are jockeying for the Hispanic vote - while some politician have a conscience and worry about losing votes from those who want the border sealed (both Democrat & Republican voters), bottom line is they are all after the votes.

[franjoe]

Wow I don't know where to start. My Daughter has worked for a detention center for over 10 years. Four years ago they were going to shut it down instead revamped a new building they opened last year. Now they are doubling the newly revamped rooms. In the 10 years my daughter divorced and had 2 children to raise with off and on child support. My daughter was a college graduate when she started working there and now has a Masters degree. Because of the economy and being a single Mom she hasn't been able to leave this job to better her situation. No one to fall back on. I asked her if they received any of the new immigrants and was told they are not allowed to talk to anyone about it. Why I'm writing is that over the last 8 years she has taken the children on many day trips to fairs, museums, parks, amusement parks all on the tax payers money. But she couldn't afford to take her own children because she has to pay all her bills and keep a roof over their heads. Also she has told me that some of the illegal immigrants stay for almost 2 years. And after living this way for so long they learn all the ins and out of the welfare system.

[Bay Kid]

Wow I don't know where to start. My Daughter has worked for a detention center for over 10 years. Four years ago they were going to shut it down instead revamped a new building they opened last year. Now they are doubling the newly revamped rooms. In the 10 years my daughter divorced and had 2 children to raise with off and on child support. My daughter was a college graduate when she started working there and now has a Masters degree. Because of the economy and being a single Mom she hasn't been able to leave this job to better her situation. No one to fall back on. I asked her if they received any of the new immigrants and was told they are not allowed to talk to anyone about it. Why I'm writing is that over the last 8 years she has taken the children on many day trips to fairs, museums, parks, amusement parks all on the tax payers money. But she couldn't afford to take her own children because she has to pay all her bills and keep a roof over their heads. Also she has told me that some of the illegal immigrants stay for almost 2 years. And after living this way for so long they learn all the ins and out of the welfare system.

This just isn't right....

[Topspinmo]

Hispanic vote historiclly vote at least 90% democrat. So who has been pandering for the votes for at least the last 50 years? The senate bill loud illegal immigrants free ride to citzenship. What does that do to the legal immigrants that's has to wait years to get in line to immigrate. NO free get out of jail for illegally entering the country. No reward for law breakers.
The problem district's won't vote the career lier's out that made millions from there dirty deals. So this is what we get Dirty lieing senator's and congressmen form both parties.
The Career statemen have special interest in mind staying in office including voting for their own pay and benifits which IMO should be put to vote. They are NOT in it for the best interest of it citzens, but to line their own pockets and the lobbists the feed them. Wake up people The fall of great nation is at stake and crumbling faster now that ever before IMO. It will effect ALL of US.

[janmcn]

Wow I don't know where to start. My Daughter has worked for a detention center for over 10 years. Four years ago they were going to shut it down instead revamped a new building they opened last year. Now they are doubling the newly revamped rooms. In the 10 years my daughter divorced and had 2 children to raise with off and on child support. My daughter was a college graduate when she started working there and now has a Masters degree. Because of the economy and being a single Mom she hasn't been able to leave this job to better her situation. No one to fall back on. I asked her if they received any of the new immigrants and was told they are not allowed to talk to anyone about it. Why I'm writing is that over the last 8 years she has taken the children on many day trips to fairs, museums, parks, amusement parks all on the tax payers money. But she couldn't afford to take her own children because she has to pay all her bills and keep a roof over their heads. Also she has told me that some of the illegal immigrants stay for almost 2 years. And after living this way for so long they learn all the ins and out of the welfare system.

Is this detention center a state-run or federal facility? If state-run, what state is it located in. In order to take action, we have to know the details.