Younger Villagers

[N44125]

Is it just me? It seems that on the online newspaper there are a lot of younger Village 'residents' getting arrested. 20, 30, etc. year olds. What gives?

[Bizdoc]

Boomerang kids.

[Bryan]

To be a 55+ Retirement community, current rules require that one person on 80% of the deeds in the community be over age 55. TV meets that requirement, I think - and I am sure someone is monitoring it. All the other people in the home can be almost any age EXCEPT under 19. As Bizdoc pointed out, you thought you were an empty-Nester and got rid of those problem kids but they couldn't cut it on their own and they "boomeranged" back into your fold - now in TV.

Of course that is a generalization - not true in 100% of the cases - but you get the idea of how it happens and exactly why the high percentage of 'youngsters' making the daily arrest reports - they were losers before they left mom or dads nest, couldn't make it in the big, bad world on their own, and now that they've returned, they are supported (by mom or dad or grandparents) or subsidized (by us taxpayers) losers, still causing all the trouble they have always caused.

My suggestion is that we remove the warning labels from ALL products and let nature take it's course. That should drain the shallow end of the gene pool.

[In awe of TV]

To be a 55+ Retirement community, current rules require that one person on 80% of the deeds in the community be over age 55. TV meets that requirement, I think - and I am sure someone is monitoring it. All the other people in the home can be almost any age EXCEPT under 19. As Bizdoc pointed out, you thought you were an empty-Nester and got rid of those problem kids but they couldn't cut it on their own and they "boomeranged" back into your fold - now in TV.

Of course that is a generalization - not true in 100% of the cases - but you get the idea of how it happens and exactly why the high percentage of 'youngsters' making the daily arrest reports - they were losers before they left mom or dads nest, couldn't make it in the big, bad world on their own, and now that they've returned, they are supported (by mom or dad or grandparents) or subsidized (by us taxpayers) losers, still causing all the trouble they have always caused.

My suggestion is that we remove the warning labels from ALL products and let nature take it's course. That should drain the shallow end of the gene pool.


However, I agree. Some parents are total enablers, they don't know how to say no. Makes me crazy. I know there are situations when a little help is needed, economically it's a tough time. I'm happy that I could help my kids every now and then but as far as them mooching off of me, that will never happen. There doesn't seem to be any consequences for bad actions now. I struggled with being a single mom, but I made it work. I don't know if I've had the blessing of dumb luck, but it can be done. Oh dear, I'm rambling all over the place, sorry.

I guess I am just blessed with having productive kids that want to make something of themselves. I spent my life raising my kids and now it's time for me, me, me. Boom!

[Cobh521]

The other situation is that your youngest cf 5 is in college and you wanted to move to The Villages because you were ready to leave the cold weather up North and your child needs a permanent residence. Our daughter is a junior at Ave Maria University in Naples, however, she left for the summer and is working in North Wildwood, NJ. She will be returning in a week and will be traveling to England for two weeks, prior to returning to school at the end of August. She is not a boomerang child nor is she enabled. She is a bright intelligent woman who needs a place to call home, which at this time is TV.

[mulligan]

The ages of buyers and residents of new home are easily tracked, and, I imagine, regulated, but how about resales? How would resales be regulated ? I find it hard to believe that some authority could tell me that I could not sell my home to a 35 year old couple.

[Bizdoc]

The ages of buyers and residents of new home are easily tracked, and, I imagine, regulated, but how about resales? How would resales be regulated ? I find it hard to believe that some authority could tell me that I could not sell my home to a 35 year old couple.

EZ. All you have to do is track the green ID cards. As for telling you who to sell to, keep in mind the "under 19 rule". Everyone who tried to challenge it in court with a reason why they should be the exception has lost.

Why does the 55+ rule exist? Simple, there is a federal law which exempts 55+ communities from having to provide services for children (like schools, playgrounds, etc). It also makes it legal to discriminate based on age (you have to have a person on the deed over 55), but allows some flexibility in recognition that some folks retire early.

If you think it is a bad idea, you need to read up on some of the early "over 55" communities which didn't enforce the rule and lost their status. Not pretty.

[gomoho]

Judge not until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes.

[mulligan]

Judge not until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes.

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[duffysmom]

However, I agree. Some parents are total enablers, they don't know how to say no. Makes me crazy. I know there are situations when a little help is needed, economically it's a tough time. I'm happy that I could help my kids every now and then but as far as them mooching off of me, that will never happen. There doesn't seem to be any consequences for bad actions now. I struggled with being a single mom, but I made it work. I don't know if I've had the blessing of dumb luck, but it can be done. Oh dear, I'm rambling all over the place, sorry.

I guess I am just blessed with having productive kids that want to make something of themselves. I spent my life raising my kids and now it's time for me, me, me. Boom!

:clap2:

[downeaster]

The ages of buyers and residents of new home are easily tracked, and, I imagine, regulated, but how about resales? How would resales be regulated ? I find it hard to believe that some authority could tell me that I could not sell my home to a 35 year old couple.

There is nothing in the regs that say you can not sell your house to a 35 year old buyer. It does say who can occupy an occupied unit. The following is copied from the regs.

"3. Verification of Age of Occupants – Verify age of occupants at time of
occupancy and update verification every two years.
a. Policies must require compliance with age verification procedures.
The best documentation of age is government-issued identification,
such as drivers license, passport. Alternative methods are available
if such documentation cannot be provided. 24 C.F.R. 100.307(7)(f).
b. The biennial age survey must show 80% occupancy by someone age
55 or older.
c. You may use the same proof of age originally provided by the tenant
if you verify the same tenant is in the home/unit.
d. The biennial survey must be maintained and available for public
inspection upon request. The documentation of individual residents,
however, is not open to public inspection."

For a complete copy: http://www.floridahousinglaw.com/pdfs/housing_older_persons.pdf

[OldManTime]

Momie and Daddie moved to the Villages to get away from them, never figured they would follow.

[manaboutown]

How many "problem" adult children are there living with their parents in The Villages?

With whom are they associating?

I can't seem to get the Sheila Miller episode out of my memory.

When I was in my 20's, 30's and 40's the LAST place I would have wanted to live would be back with my parents, especially if they resided in a retirement community.

[advp007]

Sorry to be insensitive but if you are in your twenties and want to live with mommy and daddy in a retirement community you are a loser

[dewilson58]

Sorry to be insensitive but if you are in your twenties and want to live with mommy and daddy in a retirement community you are a loser

Really?!?!

There are many special needs children/adults who live with senior parents WHO ARE NOT LOSERS.

[graciegirl]

The ages of buyers and residents of new home are easily tracked, and, I imagine, regulated, but how about resales? How would resales be regulated ? I find it hard to believe that some authority could tell me that I could not sell my home to a 35 year old couple.


It is a DEED restriction.

[advp007]

Of course you are correct. These are not the folks being referenced here. The disabled do not live here by choice but of necessity. The ones on the police blotter are absolutely losers.

[Cobh521]

Sorry to be insensitive but if you are in your twenties and want to live with mommy and daddy in a retirement community you are a loser

I am going to take offense to this statement. If you do not know a situation, you should not make a blanket statement like that. I agree there are some young people who have chosen to take a different path than we may have taken, however, there are older residents who have also chosen to take the wrong path. It appears that troublemakers may be less than 10% but they make the news. There are a large majority of TV population, young and old, who make great contributions to our community. It is such a shame that we do not hear about them.

[VT2TV]

I personally think it is almost impossible to keep track of people under 55, if you are staying with Mom, Dad, or whoever. It would depend on your use of the facilities. If the person you are staying with owns a pool, and you do not golf or use any of the Rec. centers, you have no need to sign up for a Resident ID. On the rare times you might want to use the courses, or whatever--they could just get you a visitors pass.
I very much agree that there are way too many people in the 19-55 age group. I think if there was any real way to keep track, it would indicate that.

[rubicon]

EZ. All you have to do is track the green ID cards. As for telling you who to sell to, keep in mind the "under 19 rule". Everyone who tried to challenge it in court with a reason why they should be the exception has lost.

Why does the 55+ rule exist? Simple, there is a federal law which exempts 55+ communities from having to provide services for children (like schools, playgrounds, etc). It also makes it legal to discriminate based on age (you have to have a person on the deed over 55), but allows some flexibility in recognition that some folks retire early.

If you think it is a bad idea, you need to read up on some of the early "over 55" communities which didn't enforce the rule and lost their status. Not pretty.



Bizdoc, then why do Sumter County village residents pay taxes on The Villages Chartered Schools?

A 19 year old can own a home in The Villages he/she just can't live in it

[DougB]

EZ. All you have to do is track the green ID cards. As for telling you who to sell to, keep in mind the "under 19 rule". Everyone who tried to challenge it in court with a reason why they should be the exception has lost.

Why does the 55+ rule exist? Simple, there is a federal law which exempts 55+ communities from having to provide services for children (like schools, playgrounds, etc). It also makes it legal to discriminate based on age (you have to have a person on the deed over 55), but allows some flexibility in recognition that some folks retire early.

If you think it is a bad idea, you need to read up on some of the early "over 55" communities which didn't enforce the rule and lost their status. Not pretty.

Would you please tell me the statute, I would like to read it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It appears that troublemakers may be less than 10% but they make the news.

I would guess that it's a lot less than 10%. We are a community o f 110,000 people.Ten percent would mean that eleven thousand are trouble makers.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I personally think it is almost impossible to keep track of people under 55, if you are staying with Mom, Dad, or whoever. It would depend on your use of the facilities. If the person you are staying with owns a pool, and you do not golf or use any of the Rec. centers, you have no need to sign up for a Resident ID. On the rare times you might want to use the courses, or whatever--they could just get you a visitors pass.
I very much agree that there are way too many people in the 19-55 age group. I think if there was any real way to keep track, it would indicate that.

I believe that they do track the people under 55. But, the rule is that 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. A 55 year old can live in a house with his 45 year old wife and their four children between the ages of 19 and 25.

Theoretically if you had 60,000 homes with four people living in each home, out of a total of 240,000 people, only 48,000 would have to be over 55. There could be 192,000 nineteen year olds.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Would you please tell me the statute, I would like to read it.

It's in here.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/library/hopa_final.pdf

Some up post also posted a link to the Florida law.

[DougB]

I don't see anything there about bring exempt from taxes that go to schools and parks?

[Stdole]

I know for a fact in a not to far 55+ Community South of The Villages... a neighbor of mine sold to a much younger couple than required... when the
final paperwork went through some type of Lein or Hold was placed on the
property by the Developer.. (Not good position to be in) The Developer is
the Authority to have ( X) percentage of the population under 55 not the
individual home owners. Seller and Buyer beware or forewarned !
You may just become one of the Developers/Governments test cases.

[sunnyatlast]

The number of "young whippersnappers" here who are "all getting arrested" is blown out of proportion here. And besides....who wants to be surrounded with 100% old wrinklies? (See how stereotyping feels?)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't see anything there about bring exempt from taxes that go to schools and parks?

I don't know anything about the tax exemptions. The only thing that I'd ever heard was that in order to advertise and call yourself an "Over 55" or "Retirement" community a minimum of 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person over the age of 55 and no one under the age of 19 is allowed to live there. I always though that it more to do with the anti age discrimination laws.

[jbdlfan]

First of all, you can be under 55 and own a home here. I bought at the age of 48. There are more folks under 55 here than you would think.
Next, why would a twenty-one year want to live here? Are you crazy? Why wouldn't they? There are after hour parties almost every night. They can get to work on a golf cart. They are an hours drive to the beach, Orlando or Gainesville. They can golf for free, go to a pool for free and go to movies on a discount. Geesh......I wish my parents would have bought here and let me live with them.
Finally, how do you know that in some cases, the children aren't the ones helping out the parents. Health or financial reasons may bring the kid home.
Some of your sanctimonious positions just amaze me.

[asianthree]

So if your child suddenly becomes ill with say heart issues and needs care, would you really kick them to the curb and not take them in? Just because I live in TV does not mean I stop loving or caring for my children. They would not be losers or boomerang kids, just the child you chose to birth. I was raised that you love and help your children till you die, and in some cases god forbid they die first. We know many people who have young adults that live here who are productive and help their parents.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Really?!?!

There are many special needs children/adults who live with senior parents WHO ARE NOT LOSERS.

Here, Here well said and oh so true

[dewilson58]

So if your child suddenly becomes ill with say heart issues and needs care, would you really kick them to the curb and not take them in? Just because I live in TV does not mean I stop loving or caring for my children. They would not be losers or boomerang kids, just the child you chose to birth. I was raised that you love and help your children till you die, and in some cases god forbid they die first. We know many people who have young adults that live here who are productive and help their parents.

AGREE!!!!

For 007, I think it's all about me.

[downeaster]

So if your child suddenly becomes ill with say heart issues and needs care, would you really kick them to the curb and not take them in? Just because I live in TV does not mean I stop loving or caring for my children. They would not be losers or boomerang kids, just the child you chose to birth. I was raised that you love and help your children till you die, and in some cases god forbid they die first. We know many people who have young adults that live here who are productive and help their parents.

If that child is 19 or older there is no problem.

[HDriders]

First of all, you can be under 55 and own a home here. I bought at the age of 48. There are more folks under 55 here than you would think.
Next, why would a twenty-one year want to live here? Are you crazy? Why wouldn't they? There are after hour parties almost every night. They can get to work on a golf cart. They are an hours drive to the beach, Orlando or Gainesville. They can golf for free, go to a pool for free and go to movies on a discount. Geesh......I wish my parents would have bought here and let me live with them.
Finally, how do you know that in some cases, the children aren't the ones helping out the parents. Health or financial reasons may bring the kid home.
Some of your sanctimonious positions just amaze me.


GREAT post ~ great response ~ very true!