Another Single Disadvantage

[Muncle]

As fa as I'm concerned, backyard privacy--or rather closeness to neighbors behind you--is the single disadvantage to TV.


When I saw your subject line, I did not notice the thread. I thought someone was finally going to hit a topic that really burns my :edit:. And if that someone was the Kahuna, what more credibility would be needed.

The Single Disadvantage --- why the heck am I, a single person, paying the same Executive Trail fees as a household of 2 or even 4 people? The total is $141.24 regardless of the number of individuals covered. Nor does it matter if I have one cart and they have 4 of them, all on the road at the same time. :yikes: It's bad enough that the Priority Membership prices grossly favor couples over singles, but at least they do recognize some inequity and charge a token amount for a spouse. But not the Execute Trail folks. To them, we singles are still pond scum, unworthy to be admitted to the polite society of couples. Once again, a culture ruled by and catering to "the couple" sticks it to anyone who dares to be different, to rebel from societal norms. :yikes: Does the single person want special treatment? NO!!! They just want equal treatment and if it takes revolution to achieve this, so be it. Anybody got the number of the POA?

Well, got that off my chest. I return the thread back to its original topic. Gonna go play golf now. Never mind.

[samhass]

Hey Muncle, Maybe you and Red could become a couple...barring her other upcoming nuptuals.






When I saw your subject line, I did not notice the thread. I thought someone was finally going to hit a topic that really burns my :edit:. And if that someone was the Kahuna, what more credibility would be needed.

The Single Disadvantage --- why the heck am I, a single person, paying the same Executive Trail fees as a household of 2 or even 4 people? The total is $141.24 regardless of the number of individuals covered. Nor does it matter if I have one cart and they have 4 of them, all on the road at the same time. :yikes: It's bad enough that the Priority Membership prices grossly favor couples over singles, but at least they do recognize some inequity and charge a token amount for a spouse. But not the Execute Trail folks. To them, we singles are still pond scum, unworthy to be admitted to the polite society of couples. Once again, a culture ruled by and catering to "the couple" sticks it to anyone who dares to be different, to rebel from societal norms. :yikes: Does the single person want special treatment? NO!!! They just want equal treatment and if it takes revolution to achieve this, so be it. Anybody got the number of the POA?

Well, got that off my chest. I return the thread back to its original topic. Gonna go play golf now. Never mind.

[Muncle]

Hey Muncle, Maybe you and Red could become a couple...barring her other upcoming nuptuals.







It's not that much of a discount!!

just kidding, Red.

[redwitch]

That's okay, Muncle, I was making horrid gasping noises when I read Sam's post. Glad we're in agreement on THAT idea.

[Muncle]

That's okay, Muncle, I was making horrid gasping noises when I read Sam's post. Glad we're in agreement on THAT idea.


Hey, we weren't talking sex here!!!!! :yikes:

[octcr]

I have been away from this site for awhile...reading this this evening makes me wonder what is wrong with everyone...we are all in that next stage of our lives...the lucky ones have their mates with them...then there are those for what ever reason that are single as the phrase goes...single...because their mate has past away...single because of divorce...you all need to thank your lucky stars...we one day will be in that boat whether you like it or not...single...yes...it just depends on who goes first whether it is classified as death or divorce...you must all remember and respect that...YOU WILL BE IN THAT SITUATION REAGARDLESS IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...we must all be their for each other...what is that saying...you cannot judge unless you walk in that man's shoes. Think people. We all need each other.

[Barefoot]

I have been away from this site for awhile...reading this this evening makes me wonder what is wrong with everyone...we are all in that next stage of our lives...the lucky ones have their mates with them...then there are those for what ever reason that are single as the phrase goes...single...because their mate has past away...single because of divorce...you all need to thank your lucky stars...we one day will be in that boat whether you like it or not...single...yes...it just depends on who goes first whether it is classified as death or divorce...you must all remember and respect that...YOU WILL BE IN THAT SITUATION REAGARDLESS IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...we must all be their for each other...what is that saying...you cannot judge unless you walk in that man's shoes. Think people. We all need each other.


:agree: :agree: :agree:

[samhass]

We all know we will most likely be alone at some point. I was telling Barefoot and Beady how I felt about this subject earlier this evening. It's as if you heard me and posted my thoughts.
I was confused, however, because you sounded angry. I was teasing Muncle.
I hope you are not suffering through the sickness of a spouse. It's incredibly frightening and hard.







I have been away from this site for awhile...reading this this evening makes me wonder what is wrong with everyone...we are all in that next stage of our lives...the lucky ones have their mates with them...then there are those for what ever reason that are single as the phrase goes...single...because their mate has past away...single because of divorce...you all need to thank your lucky stars...we one day will be in that boat whether you like it or not...single...yes...it just depends on who goes first whether it is classified as death or divorce...you must all remember and respect that...YOU WILL BE IN THAT SITUATION REAGARDLESS IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...we must all be their for each other...what is that saying...you cannot judge unless you walk in that man's shoes. Think people. We all need each other.

[RCT]

I have been away from this site for awhile...reading this this evening makes me wonder what is wrong with everyone...we are all in that next stage of our lives...the lucky ones have their mates with them...then there are those for what ever reason that are single as the phrase goes...single...because their mate has past away...single because of divorce...you all need to thank your lucky stars...we one day will be in that boat whether you like it or not...single...yes...it just depends on who goes first whether it is classified as death or divorce...you must all remember and respect that...YOU WILL BE IN THAT SITUATION REAGARDLESS IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...we must all be their for each other...what is that saying...you cannot judge unless you walk in that man's shoes. Think people. We all need each other.
Beautifully said.

[redwitch]

Well, I know Muncle was kidding in his post and I know I was kidding back. And we both knew Sam was kidding when she suggested we get together. (I think our differences in politics would have us trying to kill each other at least every four years. rofl)

Being single actually has some advantages. Yes, you miss the companionship, the friendship, the love but you have a certain independence that is missing when you're in a relationship. I was lucky that I chose my singledom. Marriage truly was not my cup of tea. At the same time, I've had two wonderful men in my life and I've loved both dearly and passionately. Fortunately, they're both still friends and we wish nothing but the best for each other.

However, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the original post. No question that TV does favor couples in almost everything when it comes to fees. And it isn't fair to singles. We don't take up as much space, we don't use the facilities as much as couples yet we are charged the same fees. Oh, well, it could be worse -- we could be married (those of us who want to be single).

[jerseygirl008]

I like to say . . . Life isn't fair. Sometimes we don't get to pick our circumstances.

I have enjoyed the comedy of Muncle, the tenderness of the poster who has "been away from the site for a while", and the compassion of Redwitch and Sam. I do believe the proverbial nail was hit on the head when it was said that we will all be SINGLE at some point, by choice or not, so lets all support each other. That's cool. I get the strong feeling that singles are supported in TV. That is what attracted me the most as I did not miss the obvious ~IT'S A COUPLES PLACE ~

I'm hoping, and banking on the hope, that when I move to TV (single by divorce), I will be just as important in the scheme of things, as all of you couples. Yippee to that !!!

[Muncle]

Boy, all of a sudden we've gotten serious. I can do that, too.

Yes, it is a couples world. From the days of job hunting to retirement, the business world leans to married people. And as a lifelong single, I can say that this is a logical policy in most cases. Obviously there are exceptions, but for the most part, the married person is more stable and reliable than the single and from the employers' view, a much safer employee. A single person is far more apt to leave a position they dislike without a safety net. I know that throughout my career, I always felt that not having anyone dependent upon my earnings gave me a freedom my coworkers didn't have. And to be honest, I took less BS from bosses. Yes, there are exceptions!!

Re the work hassles of the single, this is an employer shortcoming. In a day to day workplace, the single is expected to do things because they don't have a family at home. Work late. Take that last minute trip to Detroit in January. Maybe move to the new office on the other side of town or even out of the area. In all these things, it's assumed that it is easier for the single to be inconvenienced. And when that promotion comes down to you and another, well, Jim has a wife and 6 kids. He needs the money more than you do. Yes, there are exceptions!!

And the social world is not different -- well, it is different in that there are two separate social worlds. The married's social life revolves around the family, be it the neighborhood, the school and church programs, or the club. Once you limit the situation to adults, it's no better. Dinners, parties, everything is done in twos. Initially the single is invited, hoping they will bring a "significant other." If those "others" start changing too often, the invites begin to wane. Understandable, in that you have a new person who has to break in each time, but an unfortunate situation. Yes, there are exceptions!!

But just because it is a couples world doesn't mean that's a bad thing. Like so many others, I've chosen to be single. One of the main reasons is that I really enjoy my life. If I'd had a family, I wouldn't have done near the things I've done over the last 30+ years. Hopefully, I'd have not wanted to. My lack of responsibility for others has allowed me to move when and where I wanted. I was able to take advantage of opportunities I might not have under different circumstances. Often over the years, married coworkers would comment about my lifestyle, sometimes hinting or even stating that they'd love to trade places. I always felt that somewhat absurd. When I was hanging around the clubs in KC, St. Louis, DC, or Germany and a married guy would join the group, you were pretty sure that in a short time, he'd be gone or single. Same with the women.

For so many in TV, they are or will be entering a strange new world. As I've said (and said), I've been single forever and am happy with my life. However, a lot of Villagers and wannabes will be single for the first time in their adult lives. Women seem to adapt to this situation much better than men, but it's tough for both. In my opinion, TV is probably one of the easiest places around to be single. Yeah, I commented a bit about some pricing situations --- hey, most of it was a joke :joke: --- but most stuff here is pretty fair. And there are a plethora of opportunities for the single person, whether it be an unmarried or a member of a couple who chooses to do something without their spouse. Sometimes it's difficult for a single person to break the ice in a new group, sometimes you want to hide at a table in the corner behind a post, but in TV there always seems to be someone who's been there, who'll lead you into the group. Yes, there are exceptions!!

Can I go back to being a smart-ass sarcastic :edit: now?

[redwitch]

I dunno Muncle, I rather like this side of you. The funny, sarcastic side is okay, but it's nice to see this side, too. Hmmmmmm, maybe Sam's idea isn't that bad, after all. ;)

[Village Kid 2]

Red, can I still be a bridesmaid? I had the dress all picked out. VK

[redwitch]

roflao ... Sure (and I hope we're talking about Kathie's dad).

[jerseygirl008]

Muncle: you are really a deep guy. very well said. And, I do enjoy the sarcastic and funny side of you. Pls. keep the humor coming. Good one Red/Sam.

[Barefoot]

The Single Disadvantage --- why the heck am I, a single person, paying the same Executive Trail fees as a household of 2 or even 4 people?

Muncle: If they tried to "tweak" the system to take everyone's personal situation into consideration, it would be chaos. It's just the price we pay for living in paradise. ;D I'm happy to pay amenities, garbage collection, taxes, etc. for twelve months, even tho I live in TV only six months a year.

I find myself single a lot of the time as Fireboy hasn't retired and is back in Canada working. I can honestly say I've never been bored or lonely. It isn't like high school where everyone has to be part of a couple or sit home alone. Sadly, as SamHass pointed out, we all know we most likely will be alone at some point; or perhaps our spouses will be. Whatever, I can't imagine there is a better place to spend our golden years.

Jersey Girl, and any other singles, you'll love living in TV! :bigthumbsup:

[JohnnyM]

Let's all take a step back.....

Wake up in the morning = Ahead of the game.
Two arms, two legs, feel, taste, touch, breathe = Ahead of the game.
Speak, hear, smell, walk, sit = Ahead of the game.

Married = Just in the game
Single = Just in the game

I would rather be ahead of the game, married or single.
Come on folks, lets think of the important stuff. Without our health and physical capabilities all the other stuff is meaningless. :bigthumbsup:

[nONIE]

JohnnyM,

You got that right. Excellent post. Living in a state of gratitude is priceless!

[Russ_Boston]

The Single Disadvantage --- why the heck am I, a single person, paying the same Executive Trail fees as a household of 2 or even 4 people? The total is $141.24 regardless of the number of individuals covered.

Back to the question asked - I don't see why the fee shouldn't be per individual. How do you prove that you have a trail fee paid? Is it registered to the cart or the person? If it is the cart then i can see how it is one fee otherwise it doesn't make sense. Never mind single people, even married folks sometimes have only one golfer. Two or more golfers in the family should pay more than a single. I can see giving a break for the second or third in a family but it should be something more.

[chuckster]

I think the trail fee is noted via villages ID number on t-time reservation. The system shows whether the golfer has or hasn't paid the trail fee. If that's the case then you wouldn't pay if riding in some one elses cart since the ID # is on the t-time reservation and is not golf cart registration info.

WOW is that a jumble or what........ :) :)

[DickY]

As I look at the trail fees there is a Priority Member Annual Trail Fee for a single resident.

[griff]

Hey Red,

You stated "At the same time, I've had two wonderful men in my life and I've loved both dearly and passionately". Does that mean "simultaneously"?

Oh Boy!!

[redwitch]

Nah, Griff, not that kinda girl but who knows, I may change when I marry Kathie's dad and get involved with the soulful Muncle. One was my ex-husband (12 years--14 if you count pre-marriage). One was my soulmate (6 years).

[griff]

Red,

I didn't mean imply that you are that kinda girl. I was just quoting what you had said. Actually, I thought it was pretty funny.

Griff

[redwitch]

I finally read the quote carefully. duh That's what I get for posting after midnight.

Hey, Muncle, do you think we've hijacked your thread enough?

[KathieI]

I may change when I marry Kathie's dad and get involved with the soulful Muncle.

Red, are you stating for all to see, that you have intentions of "cheating" on my Dad before you even get married to him??? May be we should rethink this?

Your 'never-to-happen' daughter-in-law,
Kathie

[redwitch]

Um, that is a MAYBE, Kathie! A very, very, very huge maybe at that. Remember, I haven't met either of these charmers yet, but if your dad is anything like you, I can't imagine doing more than some innocent flirting with others.

[JohnN]

JohnnyM - I'm an easier grader than you.

6 feet above the ground = ahead of the game!

[JohnnyM]

Thanks JohnN, are we the only two, other than Nonie, that think this way. I say "for the grace of God go I" a hundred times a day!!!

[KathieI]

Thanks JohnN, are we the only two, other than Nonie, that think this way. I say "for the grace of God go I" a hundred times a day!!!

Hell no, guys, after my scare in '06, every morning when I open my eyes, I say "Thank You Jesus"!!! You really learn to appreciate the small things. That's why I've decided to start a whole new life for myself, move to TV to be closer to family and friends, and enjoy what time is left.

"There but for the grace of God, go I"!!!! Kathie

[Barefoot]

Thanks JohnN, are we the only two, other than Nonie, that think this way.

Unfortunately, I think it sometimes takes a life-threatening illness, cancer diagnosis or other serious medical scare to make us truly appreciate how short and sweet life is. I consider my own "wake up call" to be a blessing, as I now appreciate every single day and am grateful to just be alive. And I consider myself to be especially blessed to live in TV. lovehorse

I think this post has been severely hijacked! Sorry Topicop. :cop:

[Ooper]

Getting back to the question of the Executive Trail Fees... If I am not misstaken, every resident, by virtue of being a resident, still plays golf for free for the rest of their life on Executive courses. The Trail Fee is for CARTS... not the golfer. If you don't need to ride a cart, don't pay the fee, you can still play for nothing. And as far as having one cart or four in a family, you are only using one to play the round with. The other 3 are back in the garage. The fee is for that cart that you are using. My wife and I stopped paying the fee a couple of years ago when we found we weren't playing the execs enough to make it worth it. We still play the execs, but either walk (for free), or pay the buck to rent one of their push carts, or $7 to actually use our cart for that round.

[golfnut]

why would anyone pay a cart fee on an executive course other than to have a soft seat to sit on while waiting to tee off at the next hole??? I always walk, check back with me in 20 years and I may have changed my tune,

[renielarson]

hmmm....only a golf nut would walk....

duh me...look at your nic!

[golfnut]

bright, what is my nic?

[JohnnyM]

Well I kind of think we have three threads going here. One for golf and trail fees, one for single vs couples and one for can't we all just get along and be happy we are alive. :dontknow: I think that just waking up in the morning trumps who pays more for amenities; singles or couples or what trail fee's cost. Just my thoughts......