ISIS making history

[BarryRX]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Christians have lived in Mosul, Iraq for at least over 2,000 years, according to historical documents. That has all changed with the threats that any Christian who stayed would be slaughtered.

ISIS have officially forced the last living Christian in Mosul to leave the city, ending 2 millennia of Christian existence, which began with St. Peter’s scriptural reference to the church in Babylon.

Assyrian International News Agency reports:

The last Christian reportedly left Iraq’s second largest city of Mosul at 12:00pm on Saturday, ending over 6,000 years of Assyrian history in the city. Assyrians have lived in Mosul for over 6,000 years, converting to Christianity over 2,000 years ago. This all came to an end on Saturday, when the last Assyrian Christian left the city. On Thursday, July 17th, the Islamic State (IS)– formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS)– released a statement demanding the Christians in Mosul either to convert to Islam, paying the jizya (tax on non-Muslims), leave the city, or be killed. The threat was to be implemented on Saturday. It is being reported locally that by noon yesterday, every Christian had chosen to leave.

Here in Erbil, about an hour an half [sic] away from Mosul by car, I have spoken with families who were forced to flee. They describe how ISIS invaded their homes, taking whatever they wanted, and threatening to kill them. The estimates are that over 500,000 refugees have fled Mosul after Islamists took control on June 10th, and the few remaining Christians left yesterday.

ISIS made citizens first believe they were there to protect them, but soon began forcefully implementing oppressive Sharia law, with which even Muslim citizens were forced to comply.

The notice of eviction from Mosul came with Muslims marking Christians’ homes to identify where they were living. Christians ultimately decided they could not hide from the Islamic authorities, packing up what they could and leaving within hours of ISIS warning.

[BarryRX]

Bump.....posted very late at night.

[graciegirl]

If not stopped they will come here. They are recruiting here.

They scare the hell out of me.

[nitehawk]

Sounds just like what the Americans Christians did to the American Indians ----- also the European Christians explores did to the heathens in South America and elsewhere

[graciegirl]

Sounds just like what the Americans Christians did to the American Indians ----- also the European Christians explores did to the heathens in South America and elsewhere


Your argument is valid, but that was then and this is now. I don't personally know any Christians or Jews who would do things like that, DO YOU???

I also do not know in the span of my life ANYONE who would enslave people.

We have got to stop bringing up history and deal with reality. The radical Muslims are out to kill YOU and even if you aren't a Christian or a Jew, you are an American and they don't give a ........care.

[leftyf]

I have sent emails to every politician I know to get a law passed to show the families of all ISIS members in the US be posted on a website the same way we post sexual offenders. If I have ISIS members or their families living nearby, I want to know. Maybe if more people were to contact their politicians, this would happen. They are coming and we need to know when and where. We don't need this information kept from us.

[kittygilchrist]

Thank you Barry, the USA is in a stupor. I hope we wake up soon.
Here's revelation 20 on the souls of beheaded martyrs.
(This is yet to be fulfilled, and persecution will increase.
Pray that our nation stand against it...)



4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

[Taltarzac725]

If not stopped they will come here. They are recruiting here.

They scare the hell out of me.

BBC News - Syria Iraq: The Islamic State militant group (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24179084)

They are a terrifying group.

[Boudicca]

Thank you, for your comments, Kitty and Gracie. I grew up amid survivors of the Holocaust, their tattoo's testimony to the unimaginable nightmare they survived. Little did I know I would live long enough to see history repeat itself in the displays of despicable cruelty and depravity perpetrated by ISIS. "WAKE UP" America. As Gracie posted, this is "NOW". Its bad enough to worry about our grandchildrens' futures, but the lightning speed with which ISIS is over-running other nations, their Jihad will be enacted world wide..... imminently.

[Abby10]

Thank you, Barry, for posting this information. And Gracie, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Too many Americans would rather keep their heads in the sand or play the "blame game" than face reality. Our reality is NOW. We can't do anything about the past, except possibly learn from it, but by dwelling on it instead of being proactive could quite possibly get us all killed in the end. I for one am more concerned about the possible downfall of this great nation and the demise of us all than what happened hundreds of years ago. Playing the blame game does nothing but cause destruction in and of itself. One current example (albeit on a different level than this discussion) is what has happened over the past couple of decades where many parents would rather blame everyone else for their child's behavior problems than to deal with it themselves. This type of strategy does nothing but take the focus off of the real problem. IMHO, I don't think we can afford to do that.

[perrjojo]

Sounds just like what the Americans Christians did to the American Indians ----- also the European Christians explores did to the heathens in South America and elsewhere

As my Mama always said, "two wrongs don't make a right".

[KeepingItReal]

Thank you, Barry, for posting this information. And Gracie, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Too many Americans would rather keep their heads in the sand or play the "blame game" than face reality. Our reality is NOW. We can't do anything about the past, except possibly learn from it, but by dwelling on it instead of being proactive could quite possibly get us all killed in the end. I for one am more concerned about the possible downfall of this great nation and the demise of us all than what happened hundreds of years ago. Playing the blame game does nothing but cause destruction in and of itself. One current example (albeit on a different level than this discussion) is what has happened over the past couple of decades where many parents would rather blame everyone else for their child's behavior problems than to deal with it themselves. This type of strategy does nothing but take the focus off of the real problem. IMHO, I don't think we can afford to do that.

:BigApplause:

[buggyone]

I saw a news piece last night on NBC Evening News that said much ISIS recruiting is being done in MINNEAPOLIS. There is a very large Somalia population there.

Who would have ever thought that a city associated with Swedes and Norwegians would now have a very large population of Somalians and a part of the city called "Little Mogadishu"?

[buggyone]

There have been several posts on this topic and really no suggestions as to what anyone thinks is a solution except for posting addresses of their family members. Any other ideas? American soldiers back on the ground in Iraq and in Syria to defeat a guerrilla force? Cluster bombing of Iraqi and Syrian known ISIS towns? Continue arming Iraqi troops and doing airstrikes?

[billethkid]

there is no defense to be made about ANYTHING these cowardly killers do.

We the people are once again in a blind stupor comforted by the "it's not here in my back yard" attitude.

There will be an attack on American soil. And as the ISIS or ISIL or whatever name the cowards go by have said...they intend to do something more spectacular than 9/11.

Where is the outrage from the American people? At some point this will be in somebody's back yard. And then there will be the cum-by-yah coming together.....too late.

I have a fear that at some point there will be a major attraction or sporting event shopping center or attaraction that could some day be targeted.

GOD forbid that ever happens. But we must do something to assure it does not. WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT the ISIS/ISIL forward momentum.

The other fear is in the event of a 9/11 like attack here at home, the governments knee jerk reaction to it all could be martial law......TO PROTECT US!

This is an unconventional threat. Conventional thinking just has to be set aside. Politics as usual must also be set aside. When those we must fear start to look like us it will become increasingly more difficult to sort out the bad folks.

Doing nothing AS WE ARE NOW, here and abroad is totally and completely unacceptable. They have no fear and with our recent statement that "we are not at war with ISIS/ISIL" only emboldens their forward progress.

Our way of life is under threat of attack.

[kittygilchrist]

Sounds just like what the Americans Christians did to the American Indians ----- also the European Christians explores did to the heathens in South America and elsewhere

I trust this post is meant as a reminder that bearing the name of Christian doesn't make you one, and not as a justification for beheading Christians for their belief in Jesus.

[sunnyatlast]

I saw a news piece last night on NBC Evening News that said much ISIS recruiting is being done in MINNEAPOLIS. There is a very large Somalia population there.

Who would have ever thought that a city associated with Swedes and Norwegians would now have a very large population of Somalians and a part of the city called "Little Mogadishu"?

1. We who grew up with Swedes and Norwegians know they don't sit around talking and emoting about problems and blaming somebody else. Instead, they get up earlier and go to work harder and longer, to pay their bills and buy necessities with cash.

2. Look at their congressman sworn into office on the Koran, and their senator who's livelihood was being on stage and camera as a comedian.

[janmcn]

1. We who grew up with Swedes and Norwegians know they don't sit around talking and emoting about problems and blaming somebody else. Instead, they get up earlier and go to work harder and longer, to pay their bills and buy necessities with cash.

2. Look at their congressman sworn into office on the Koran, and their senator who's livelihood was being on stage and camera as a comedian.


When a congressman is a Muslim, it is perfectly appropriate to be sworn in using the Koran.

Its too bad that congress can't interrupt their five week vacation to return to Washington and debate this very serious matter.

[buggyone]

1. We who grew up with Swedes and Norwegians know they don't sit around talking and emoting about problems and blaming somebody else. Instead, they get up earlier and go to work harder and longer, to pay their bills and buy necessities with cash.

2. Look at their congressman sworn into office on the Koran, and their senator who's livelihood was being on stage and camera as a comedian.

Yah sure, I just have to wonder about Minnesotans sometimes.

Of course, there still is freedom of religion so the Koran is definitely appropriate for a Muslim to use instead of a Bible when being sworn into office. A Mormon would use the Book of Mormon, wouldn't they?

They also elected a professional wrestler as their governor, didn't they?

The Swedes and Norskis of Minnesota work harder and longer and pay cash more than other Americans? Never heard that before.

I would think the Somalians would be so far out of their hot, desert environment in Minneapolis that it may help to contribute to some wanting to return to fight on their home continent.

[kittygilchrist]

Yah sure, I just have to wonder about Minnesotans sometimes.

They also elected a professional wrestler as their governor, didn't they?

The Swedes and Norskis of Minnesota work harder and longer and pay cash more than other Americans? Never heard that before.

I would think the Somalians would be so far out of their hot, desert environment in Minneapolis that it may help to contribute to some wanting to return to fight on their home continent.

Provocative and annoyingly out of touch with the topic.

[buggyone]

Provocative and annoyingly out of touch with the topic.

The topic is regarding ISIS being a major threat. Minneapolis is a major recruiting ground for them due to the large Somalian population.

Who knows, maybe the harsh climate is a factor.

The other facts about Minnesota were in response to another post.

Nothing provacative.

[tedquick]

With one exception all of the posts so far have pointed out the dangers that face the world (and most personally to all of us, America herself) from the group known as ISIS. Barry, in clear terms, pointed out the true dangers of an ostrich’s life. I offer for additional consideration the following website that is purported to have been written by a Mr. Paul Marek back in 2007;

https://www.facebook.com/notes/don-woods/on-islam-why-the-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant/470485476374673

“Edmund Burke said it best: ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing’.”

We must not be silent any longer!

[buggyone]

Yes, we all know that ISIS is a huge threat. What concrete ideas does anyone have to resolve that threat?

[tedquick]

Yes, we all know that ISIS is a huge threat. What concrete ideas does anyone have to resolve that threat?

It seems to me that not only is the administration ineffective (and in fact dangerous to our way of life) but so is most of Washington. They are either asleep or part of the problem. We voters must become informed. We must then find and take to the polls at least one other who stayed home in 2012. We the People, have the power, but we must use it. Our power can be utilized by informing others and then going to the polls this November.

[Madelaine Amee]

It seems to me that not only is the administration ineffective (and in fact dangerous to our way of life) but so is most of Washington. They are either asleep or part of the problem. We voters must become informed. We must then find and take to the polls at least one other who stayed home in 2012. We the People, have the power, but we must use it. Our power can be utilized by informing others and then going to the polls this November.

IMHO - unfortunately we are like sheep. We blindly vote for the same 'ol, same 'ol every two and then four years. We have the power, we just don't use it.

[sunnyatlast]

When a congressman is a Muslim, it is perfectly appropriate to be sworn in using the Koran.

Its too bad that congress can't interrupt their five week vacation to return to Washington and debate this very serious matter.

To return to the point, when a congressman is a muslim and gets to the swearing in ceremony, it means that there is a huge constituency of muslim voters in the district. Which would explain the expanding muslim population buggyone brought up regarding Minneapolis as if it were surprising.

Nobody said it was "inappropriate" to be sworn in on the Koran. It's the first time it's happened in this nation, and therefore became noteworthy and evidential of the population who elected him.

[buggyone]

IMHO - unfortunately we are like sheep. We blindly vote for the same 'ol, same 'ol every two and then four years. We have the power, we just don't use it.

Absolutely right! That is the problem of those voters who vote their straight party ticket no matter who is running for election/re-election.

Vote for the person and not for the party.

[sunnyatlast]

Absolutely right! That is the problem of those voters who vote their straight party ticket no matter who is running for election/re-election.

Vote for the person and not for the party.

AMEN!!! Both sides are guilty of the blindfolded straight-party line vote.

And actually, when it comes to our nation's security and safety from foreign and domestic enemies, we need to all be on the same "side" in acknowledging:

a) who the enemy IS; and

b) that we are all on the same side as "The Exterminated" when we allow them to destroy us first.

[redwitch]

Sadly, the only solution I can see is a military strike with a lot of innocent deaths as collateral damage. It would mean air strikes targeting every known stronghold of the IS. Troops on the ground could not do the job. World opinion would destroy us -- the sanctions against the US would be astronomical.

It truly scares me that this is the only solution I have heard that seems to have a possibility of success. We drove al Qaida into the hills with ground troops and selective air strikes. It did in fact weaken al Qaida. However, in return we got IS. It seems that every time we act proactively and weaken one group, another, worse gang comes along.

We once had a chance to make a huge difference in the Middle East. We could have educated the people, helped them have free and open elections, built hospitals and so on. Instead, our government chose to support dictators so big businesses could profit. Now, we have a region where illiteracy is rampant. These people truly believe America is the Great Satan. Their Imans have taught them to hate, they've never been taught the beauty of the Koran and have no way to read it themselves.

So, as far as I can see, we have no way to right the wrongs of the past. I can't think of a way to stop the hate of today other than annihilation and that just seems to help start another, even more radical group.

[kittygilchrist]

Yes, we all know that ISIS is a huge threat. What concrete ideas does anyone have to resolve that threat?

I am going to Israel in a few days to pray against evil. I am not unaware of the situation, nor afraid.

[Tennisnut]

There is a old saying "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

I think that is what is being done in the Middle East by the US. Until the Sunnis and Shiites want to fish and protect their homeland we will only be feeding them for a day. I sense the Kurds already know how to fish and can continue to feed themselves for a lifetime.

[graciegirl]

This is indeed a real threat. Forget about the fish.

[Rags123]

Yes, we all know that ISIS is a huge threat. What concrete ideas does anyone have to resolve that threat?

First of all, ISIS began in Iraq in about 2006. First error was not insisting on allowing US troops to stay. Our President says he could not do that because he could not convince, as required, the Iraq government to agree. Many, on both sides of the aisle said it could have been done had we wanted.

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But he had already announced this earlier this year, and the real significance today was in the failure of Obama, in spite of the cost to the US in dollars and deaths, to persuade the Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to allow one or more American bases to be kept in the country."


Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases)

Secondly, our indifference to the situation in Syria allowed them to strengthen. This was tricky, and while a "what to do" would have been difficult in Syria for sure, we certainly made it clear we were not going to be any kind of presence there at all, they just expanded their growth.

NOW, because of those non actions, we surely have a problem. They are surely not the only reasons, but our not being in Iraq as they grew, and not being involved in Syria have compounded the problem.

I am sure the administration is doing a lot, and in fact does "have a plan", but from my perspective.......

1. Secure our borders, especially the southern one, where the illegals are becoming surges. We already have an unconfirmed report of crossings there by ISIS posing as Central Americans, and some recruits from non Arab countries. This should be done LOUDLY and quickly.

2. The bombings we have started seem to have some affect. Selective targets will work for awhile.

3. Hopefully, we have already started working on the financial part of this..ie.,., tracing their money and trying to cut off as much as we can.

We are late in this battle, but I think we need to secure our homeland...borders, immigration, etc first. Hopefully we can avoid any substantial troop involvement, as that seems like a loss for us.

[Tennisnut]

This is indeed a real threat. Forget about the fish.

That was real helpful! Some consider that a very wise saying. Apparently, it doesn't resonate with everyone.

[Abby10]

I am going to Israel in a few days to pray against evil. I am not unaware of the situation, nor afraid.

God be with you, Kitty. Prayer can be a powerful tool. Thanks for sharing this info - I'll be praying for you and the situation at hand.

[kittygilchrist]

Tnut, what you said is true...but in the face of a threat to survival...thinking turns to what is expedient above what is a long view.

[Patty55]

I am going to Israel in a few days to pray against evil. I am not unaware of the situation, nor afraid.

You go GIRL, the absence of fear defeats them.

[Tennisnut]

Tnut, what you said is true...but in the face of a threat to survival...thinking turns to what is expedient above what is a long view.

That is so true, however, that is why history continues to repeat itself. The names change but the same problems exist.

[buggyone]

First of all, ISIS began in Iraq in about 2006. First error was not insisting on allowing US troops to stay. Our President says he could not do that because he could not convince, as required, the Iraq government to agree. Many, on both sides of the aisle said it could have been done had we wanted.

"
But he had already announced this earlier this year, and the real significance today was in the failure of Obama, in spite of the cost to the US in dollars and deaths, to persuade the Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to allow one or more American bases to be kept in the country."


Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases)

Secondly, our indifference to the situation in Syria allowed them to strengthen. This was tricky, and while a "what to do" would have been difficult in Syria for sure, we certainly made it clear we were not going to be any kind of presence there at all, they just expanded their growth.

NOW, because of those non actions, we surely have a problem. They are surely not the only reasons, but our not being in Iraq as they grew, and not being involved in Syria have compounded the problem.

I am sure the administration is doing a lot, and in fact does "have a plan", but from my perspective.......

1. Secure our borders, especially the southern one, where the illegals are becoming surges. We already have an unconfirmed report of crossings there by ISIS posing as Central Americans, and some recruits from non Arab countries. This should be done LOUDLY and quickly.

2. The bombings we have started seem to have some affect. Selective targets will work for awhile.

3. Hopefully, we have already started working on the financial part of this..ie.,., tracing their money and trying to cut off as much as we can.

We are late in this battle, but I think we need to secure our homeland...borders, immigration, etc first. Hopefully we can avoid any substantial troop involvement, as that seems like a loss for us.

You are the first one to actually post possible ideas about what might be done to stop this real threat. All are good ideas, too.

[Patty55]

There is a old saying "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

I think that is what is being done in the Middle East by the US. Until the Sunnis and Shiites want to fish and protect their homeland we will only be feeding them for a day. I sense the Kurds already know how to fish and can continue to feed themselves for a lifetime.

Yes, there is truth in the old saying... IMO it has no bearing on what is currently going on. ISIS doesn't (IMO) need fishing lessons, they need a butt kicking.

[Carl in Tampa]

Sounds just like what the Americans Christians did to the American Indians ----- also the European Christians explores did to the heathens in South America and elsewhere

Well, no...........

There is no parallel between the Islamic spread of their religion from its inception in Arabia and the Christian spread of their religion in the Americas.

First, you must separate the political exploration of the Americas for financial exploitation from the Christian efforts to Christianize the natives.

The Spanish explorers arrived in a quest for riches, specifically gold. They conquered the natives and subjugated them. However, they did not maim or kill the natives for the offense of not converting to Christianity. This is true for their expansion up through our southwest as well as down into South America.

And the English Pilgrims arriving on the East Coast were coming for religious freedom. There is no record of them killing natives for the offense of not converting to Christianity.

A MAJOR FACTOR in the decline of the natives is the inevitable conflict between a stone-age society and an industrialized one. The Europeans arrived with the resource of a culture that produced woven fabrics, metals, books, manufacturing, and most importantly firearms.

The natives had weapons made of wood and stone. And, often lost upon those who haven't studied much American history, until the arrival of the Spanish they didn't even have horses. It was inevitable that their culture would suffer when it came in contact with the Europeans.

IN CONTRAST when Islam was created, the religion was spread by the sword. As is happening now, the militant Islamics invaded regions and forced conversion to their faith. They did recognize that Jews and Christians had Holy Books of faith and would allow them as "people of the book" to retain their faith if they paid a tax. Others were forced to convert or die. That is how the Islamic faith spread across North Africa, and those countries remain Muslim to this day.

So, you see, there is no parallel between the Islamic spread of their religion from its inception in Arabia and the Christian spread of their religion in the Americas.

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[Tennisnut]

Yes, there is truth in the old saying... IMO it has no bearing on what is currently going on. ISIS doesn't (IMO) need fishing lessons, they need a butt kicking.

Unfortunately, some take the literal translation of this proverb and do not recognize the lesson behind it. Yes kick ISIS butt, walk away, come back a few years later and kick someone else's butt. Sounds like past history. One needs to have a change in culture or these problems will continue to exist.

[Patty55]

Unfortunately, some take the literal translation of this proverb and do not recognize the lesson behind it. Yes kick ISIS butt, walk away, come back a few years later and kick someone else's butt. Sounds like past history. One needs to have a change in culture or these problems will continue to exist.

Fortunately, I do recognize the lesson, I just don't agree that it's relevant. I don't want to wander into political opinions, but in my country if you do a good job at butt kicking there is nobody to come back in a few years and just maybe they would have a lot more respect for us.

I'm just hoping that the powers that be actually have a plan.

[billethkid]

we have become a timid nation.
ISIS is not...not one bit.
We worry about whether our actions will be popular (votes).
ISIS could care less.
We worry whether we might hurt someone while targeting the enemy.
Again ISIS could care less and in fact hides among the innocents.
We do not have a plan/strategy; quite the contrary we have announced we are not at war with ISIS.
ISIS does have a plan and are not ashamed of their intent and speak openly of killing as many Americans as possible.

In the current environment ISIS absolutely has the upper hand.
ISIS knows we will not come after them.
ISIS laughs as they SLAUGHTER those who do not fall in line with their beliefs.
ISIS is grateful for the USA's new open border policy, that provides open access to them with no threat of discovery.

If ISIS were a fire those in Washington would wait until they see the flames coming up Pennsylvania Avenue before DISCUSSING whether to take action.

There are many more lives going to be lost including Americans. There will be man more lives taken including increasing numbers of American HERE AT HOME. Now just exactly is it we the people are waiting for to rise up and demand action be taken? Since we have become a nation of reacting to SOME problems just what is it going to take for those in Washington to realize ISIS does not care about red or blue states or republicans or democrats or black or white or brown or whatever....ISIS will without hesitation SLAUGHTER them where they stand.

What is it going take?
Politics as usual is going to be responsible for many Americans deaths!
Recent history does not bode well for this country taking the steps needed.
Many more will die as a result.......now where is this overwhelming concern for making sure nobody gets hurt?

[Taltarzac725]

There is a old saying "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

I think that is what is being done in the Middle East by the US. Until the Sunnis and Shiites want to fish and protect their homeland we will only be feeding them for a day. I sense the Kurds already know how to fish and can continue to feed themselves for a lifetime.

Very good point. This ISIS is a Middle Eastern problem until or if they attack targets in the UK, Europe, and/or the United States. Then it becomes an international one.

Arming the Kurds is a solution. I just hope that does not end up like arming the Iraqis in the Iran-Iraq War and the Afghanistani against the Soviets. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_28

[kittygilchrist]

Unfortunately, some take the literal translation of this proverb and do not recognize the lesson behind it. Yes kick ISIS butt, walk away, come back a few years later and kick someone else's butt. Sounds like past history. One needs to have a change in culture or these problems will continue to exist.

The alarm is going off. If you can't hear it, you are like most of the U.S.A. Wake up. This is about surviving, not about changing culture.

[kittygilchrist]

Germany breaks military taboo, sends arms to anti-IS fighters in Iraq - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.613533)
Germany is awake.

[Taltarzac725]

The alarm is going off. If you can't hear it, you are like most of the U.S.A.

I am not sure how you can reason through diplomacy or otherwise with a group like ISIS. They believe they speak for Allah and there is often no dialog with this kind of incredibly arrogant worldview. It takes violence unfortunately to get the point really made. There was no reasoning with Hitler and his top henchmen once they had control of much of Germany's industry and wealth.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/483920/Iraq-Isis-Extremists-Dark-Ages-Muslim-Baghdad-Jihadist

[Taltarzac725]

Germany breaks military taboo, sends arms to anti-IS fighters in Iraq - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.613533)
Germany is awake.

Germany has suffered through the control of other kinds of despots.

[janmcn]

Germany breaks military taboo, sends arms to anti-IS fighters in Iraq - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.613533)
Germany is awake.

Good, its about time other countries stepped up to the plate. This country cannot afford another long term war. The last two wars cost us two trillion dollars and still counting and hundreds of thousands of lives.

[BarryRX]

Some posters have said that we're all complaining about ISIS but no one has suggested a plan to deal with them. Here is my plan: This cannot be done from the air alone. We will once again need to have boots on the ground, probably about 20,000 troops. We need planes based in Iraq so we have quicker and longer times on target than we do when flying off carriers. We need Great Britain and others to step up to the plate also unless we want our legacy in the region to be the creation of a terrorist state. We need special ops personnel to begin targeted assassinations of ISIS leaders. Those are the basic steps we need to take as soon as possible.

[kittygilchrist]

Asap :agree:

[NotGolfer]

If not stopped they will come here. They are recruiting here.

They scare the hell out of me.

Gracie...I fear they already may be here! Think the "illegals" coming over the border. Think "sleeper cells"...not to be an alarmist but just to be informed. Fearing won't help but being proactive as patriots might. PRAYER is huge here as well!

[sunnyatlast]

Some posters have said that we're all complaining about ISIS but no one has suggested a plan to deal with them. Here is my plan: This cannot be done from the air alone. We will once again need to have boots on the ground, probably about 20,000 troops. We need planes based in Iraq so we have quicker and longer times on target than we do when flying off carriers. We need Great Britain and others to step up to the plate also unless we want our legacy in the region to be the creation of a terrorist state. We need special ops personnel to begin targeted assassinations of ISIS leaders. Those are the basic steps we need to take as soon as possible.

Correct. However, the resolve and the guts to do it is not showing amongst "leaders" in Washington.

When they're actually "working", it's been to divert t.v.-camera attention to a crowd in St. Louis area, and away from the beheading of a true journalist who knew more and revealed more about Syria's role/plight than anyone in the Administration or Congress ever cared to learn.

The t.v. cameras have been lured and turned toward decrying American "racism" and not so much toward the enemy's "beheadings".

Racism in this society can't be changed in a day or two. But mass murder here CAN increase overnight, as we saw on Sept. 11, 2001.

And if people think our society's racism is the biggest problem at hand, they ought to think about mass-murder bombings, dirty bombs, crucifixions, and beheadings…..HERE.

[perrjojo]

Fortunately, I do recognize the lesson, I just don't agree that it's relevant. I don't want to wander into political opinions, but in my country if you do a good job at butt kicking there is nobody to come back in a few years and just maybe they would have a lot more respect for us.

I'm just hoping that the powers that be actually have a plan.

I may be wrong but I think the point was that the people in these countries are very poor and uneducated. That makes them prime targets and easy prey for ISIS and other groups. If they had hope and education they would not fall for the false promises of these terrorist groups. If they were taught how to fish, meaning getting an education and having a way to earn an income to support their families, this would be effective to stop the spread of ISIS. At least that's how I interrupted it.

[kittygilchrist]

I may be wrong but I think the point was that the people in these countries are very poor and uneducated. That makes them prime targets and easy prey for ISIS and other groups. If they had hope and education they would not fall for the false promises of these terrorist groups. If they were taught how to fish, meaning getting an education and having a way to earn an income to support their families, this would be effective to stop the spread of ISIS. At least that's how I interrupted it.

It is unbelievable how people cannot see..there is blindness everywhere. Evil will prevail if good does not stop it. There is no psychosocial fix for evil. You might as well post how we could have helped Hitler to have been a good person if only...

[Rags123]

It is unbelievable how people cannot see..there is blindness everywhere. Evil will prevail if good does not stop it. There is no psychosocial fix for evil. You might as well post how we could have helped Hitler to have been a good person if only...


You are correct.

In this country we seem to apply the same logic to our domestic issues as well.

You just cannot lay all blame to "shortages" of whatever. You just have to confront bad or evil or immoral or whatever.....giving more to these things simply creates more of these things.

So often, that attitude is twisted to say you don't care or are unsympathetic....that is so far from the truth.

These people, if rich or poor, if "educated" or not...have in their hearts to kill !

[perrjojo]

It is unbelievable how people cannot see..there is blindness everywhere. Evil will prevail if good does not stop it. There is no psychosocial fix for evil. You might as well post how we could have helped Hitler to have been a good person if only...

I am not blind nor do I not see evil but you are still missing the point that even good men can be lead astray when they have no hope. Starving, uneducated people will join any cause. Yes, the existing evil must be stopped but until others have education and tools for survival they will continue to join groups like ISIS. Yes, we need a short term, immediate solution but without a future plan, history will repeat itself.

[kittygilchrist]

I am not blind nor do I not see evil but you are still missing the point that even good men can be lead astray when they have no hope. Starving, uneducated people will join any cause. Yes, the existing evil must be stopped but until others have education and tools for survival they will continue to join groups like ISIS. Yes, we need a short term, immediate solution but without a future plan, history will repeat itself.

I wish not to confront, but our nation is paralyzed by thinking we can rescue everyone if we give them enough....
Blindness is believing that humanity is all good at heart. There is evil. Give it your dinner. Evil will eat your dinner and have you for dessert.

[janmcn]

As soon as congress comes back to work (they have to come back sometime) they can debate all the options of dealing with ISIS. After the debate, when its time to vote, we can all register our opinions with our congressmen. Let's hear from people with top, top secret clearance.

[sunnyatlast]

I wish not to confront, but our nation is paralyzed by thinking we can rescue everyone if we give them enough....
Blindness is believing that humanity is all good at heart. There is evil. Give it your dinner. Evil will eat your dinner and have you for dessert.

This is the most profound statement of truth on this whole forum right now.

Holding hands with these minions of Satan will lead us right into the gas chambers or into another skyscraper's stairwells with iron timbers melting in the inferno--the very serpent's nest of evil.

[janmcn]

Obama notifies Congress of Iraq airstrikes - Associated Press - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/obama-notifies-congress-of-iraq-airstrikes-110492.html)


President Obama has officially notified congress of his order for airstrikes in Iraq last week, along with humanitarian air drops.

[buggyone]

This is the most profound statement of truth on this whole forum right now.

Holding hands with these minions of Satan will lead us right into the gas chambers or into another skyscraper's stairwells with iron timbers melting in the inferno--the very serpent's nest of evil.

...and your solution to the problem is ... ?

[zonerboy]

Here is my solution. We need to gather our allies and wage all out war on these ISIS jihadists and their supporters and sympathizers. We need to use every weapon available to us, not fight with one arm tied behind our backs as we did in Vietnam, Afganistan, and other places. We need to kill every one of them. We need to kill their wives and their children.

[Moderator]

Please stay on the topic of discussing the ISIS group. Many posts have ventured into name calling and obvious partisan political references. If posts continue to wander off topic, the thread will be closed.

[Tennisnut]

Here is my solution. We need to gather our allies and wage all out war on these ISIS jihadists and their supporters and sympathizers. We need to use every weapon available to us, not fight with one arm tied behind our backs as we did in Vietnam, Afganistan, and other places. We need to kill every one of them. We need to kill their wives and their children.

I really don't think I would feel very good about that. How about just the first born child?

[kittygilchrist]

Good discussion. Are women and children due mercy and men only to be held accountable? Is ISIS all made of grown men? I don't like even talking about it.
But it is honest. I want all terrorists to perish.

[Carl in Tampa]

Here is my solution. We need to gather our allies and wage all out war on these ISIS jihadists and their supporters and sympathizers. We need to use every weapon available to us, not fight with one arm tied behind our backs as we did in Vietnam, Afganistan, and other places. We need to kill every one of them. We need to kill their wives and their children.


Strategy is the overall plan for waging war and Tactics is the detailed plan for achieving particular objectives.

Our military leaders who studied at West Point have studied the Civil War and they know the appropriate strategy for dealing with ISIS is that which was spoken by Southern General Stonewall Jackson after the Union army killed many civilians at the Battle of Fredricksburg: "Kill them. Kill them all."

Retired Army Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, in a recent TV interview reflected this view with his statement, "Kill every single ISIS terrorist .....and their goats.


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[zonerboy]

History tells us radical fundamentalists have long memories. The hatred of today's group is passed down thru the generations to come. This is why eliminating the terrorists themselves is not enough.

[Tennisnut]

History tells us radical fundamentalists have long memories. The hatred of today's group is passed down thru the generations to come. This is why eliminating the terrorists themselves is not enough.

Eliminate the whole lot of em. I know Hitler tried it with the Jews. Maybe we can learn from his mistakes and do it with the Muslims!! Would that make the world a better place?

Sick thought!

[kittygilchrist]

Christian persecution by ISIS.
And whether we should shut up or stand up...

[kittygilchrist]

Eliminate the whole lot of em. I know Hitler tried it with the Jews. Maybe we can learn from his mistakes and do it with the Muslims!! Would that make the world a better place?

Sick thought!

If one cannot discern good from evil, one should keep silent.

[Patty55]

Eliminate the whole lot of em. I know Hitler tried it with the Jews. Maybe we can learn from his mistakes and do it with the Muslims!! Would that make the world a better place?

Sick thought!

HUH? I'm not getting the analogy. Are you suggesting that defending ourselves against radical fundamentalists is comparable to Hitler's plans. Really?

Maybe we can learn from our past and not sit back too long.

[BarryRX]

Eliminate the whole lot of em. I know Hitler tried it with the Jews. Maybe we can learn from his mistakes and do it with the Muslims!! Would that make the world a better place?

Sick thought!

Let me clarify something right away. I quickly scanned tennisnuts post and misunderstood his intent for a second. On a quick first reading I thought he implied that Hitler made a mistake by not killing all the Jews. I just didn't see where he wrote "sick thought" at the bottom. What Tennisnut is saying, and saying quite clearly is that to advocate killing all Muslims, whether they are terrorists or not is the same ignorant evil that was represented by the Nazis and bY ISIS. I AGREE WITH HIS SENTIMENT 100%! I am the original poster of this thread, and I am becoming quite uncomfortable with some of the replies I am seeing here. When I see posts advocating the killing of our enemies wives and children, I can't help but feel we have crossed a line and I am going to ask the moderator to close this thread.

[graciegirl]

Let me clarify something right away. I quickly scanned tennisnuts post and misunderstood his intent for a second. On a quick first reading I thought he implied that Hitler made a mistake by not killing all the Jews. I just didn't see where he wrote "sick thought" at the bottom. What Tennisnut is saying, and saying quite clearly is that to advocate killing all Muslims, whether they are terrorists or not is the same ignorant evil that was represented by the Nazis and bY ISIS. I AGREE WITH HIS SENTIMENT 100%! I am the original poster of this thread, and I am becoming quite uncomfortable with some of the replies I am seeing here. When I see posts advocating the killing of our enemies wives and children, I can't help but feel we have crossed a line and I am going to ask the moderator to close this thread.

Please don't ask the moderator to close this thread. I don't really think zonerboy or anyone would want to target families, but what has happened is that you have opened a topic that concerns us all, no matter WHAT our politics. We are saying things here emotionally because we see the danger and do NOT feel it is being taken care of by our leaders in the best way.

My post was taken down and so were several others probably because of our emotional response WE ARE FRIGHTENED WITH GOOD CAUSE.. ISIS IS targeting all of us, old people, children, women and DOES want to anilate anyone who they consider infidels, which are people who are NOT MUSLIMS. Isis is not all Muslims they are radical Muslims, but I wish the rest of the Muslims would be more vocal in speaking out against them, I really, really, really do.

This is one issue that is being reported equally by all of the major news networks. THIS isn't political and it was not good to hear we "have no strategy" from the president. This is past diplomacy and has become a military issue.

Please don't close the thread Barry. Of course we hate war but we much protect OUR children too. None of us have forgotten Hitler. He was evil. This group is just as awful.

[Rags123]

Let me clarify something right away. I quickly scanned tennisnuts post and misunderstood his intent for a second. On a quick first reading I thought he implied that Hitler made a mistake by not killing all the Jews. I just didn't see where he wrote "sick thought" at the bottom. What Tennisnut is saying, and saying quite clearly is that to advocate killing all Muslims, whether they are terrorists or not is the same ignorant evil that was represented by the Nazis and bY ISIS. I AGREE WITH HIS SENTIMENT 100%! I am the original poster of this thread, and I am becoming quite uncomfortable with some of the replies I am seeing here. When I see posts advocating the killing of our enemies wives and children, I can't help but feel we have crossed a line and I am going to ask the moderator to close this thread.

With all due respect, your OP was simply a cut and paste with no credits given and you only pasted part of the article. This simply opened the subject and folks simply responded to the ISIS part. I am not sure what your intent was at all, but for the record, this is what you did not paste but which belongs to the article....

" Everyone I have spoken with has expressed their frustration with the international community’s lack of response to the crisis facing the people of Iraq. They blamed the United States for creating the current situation and for leaving the country so quickly and so creating the vacuum for IS to exploit. Many also think that it was a serious mistake for the U.S. to “give Iraq to Iran,” allowing Tehran to have a major influence in the Iraqi Parliament.

Another local told me he thought it was strange and nonsensical that the U.S. and European countries were opposed to IS in Iraq, but supporting IS groups in Syria and other violent groups against local governments. They warned of the danger such groups pose to the West. “These jihadists will eventually go home to their countries, to Canada, England and the U.S.” said one.

Christians also fear that Iraq may split into several smaller countries, creating a domino effect in the Middle East, including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt.

Since 2003, more than 1 million Christians have been exiled from Iraq. Now, only 300,000 remain in the country."

Not criticizing your OP, but suggesting that putting these things in context means a lot and perhaps the responses would be more in line in what you anticipated. The below sites ALL have this.........

Mad World NewsMuslims Just Made History in Mosul, Killing and Exiling Every Last Christian (http://madworldnews.com/muslims-just-made-history-mosul-killing-exiling-every-last-christian/)

Muslims Just Made History In Mosul, Killing And Exiling Every Last Christian – Universal Free Press (http://universalfreepress.com/muslims-just-made-history-in-mosul-killing-and-exiling-every-last-christian/)

universalfreepress.com/muslims-just-made-history-in-mosul-killing-and-exiling-every-last-christian/

These are just a few sites..there are others.

I am just defending the conversation....there was not context nor direction nor any comments by the original poster.


PS....actually, your beginning is a quote from Martin Niemöller referring to the German cowardice toward the Nazis.

[billethkid]

democracy allows for all types opinions and positions even though they may be totally disagreeable to some or another.

Thread should remain open to allow all comments, positive or not in support or not. There is always room for a minority report.....like it or not.

[rp001]

Some folks here are in fear. I, for one am not, but I do see a need to address this. This should be a well thought out approach and have the support of all the American people. In the past we have done knee jerk responses and that is why we are in this mess internationally.

As in the movie Godfather, when you kill one, you create several new enemies, the children. From what I've gathered this group is composed of about 10000, mostly young, and mostly nothing more than thugs. The solution is to go after the money, and the leaders along with the ones they are listening too. I don't care what country they are in. All a war creates is generals, heroes, and new enemies!

[nitehawk]

the united states is fighting a war it can not win -- sorry to say --- all of the ships and tanks - fighter planes are antiquated - terrorism and cyber attacks is the wars of the future and the united states is not winning - i will stop now as anything else will be take down

[graciegirl]

Some folks here are in fear. I, for one am not, but I do see a need to address this. This should be a well thought out approach and have the support of all the American people. In the past we have done knee jerk responses and that is why we are in this mess internationally.

As in the movie Godfather, when you kill one, you create several new enemies, the children. From what I've gathered this group is composed of about 10000, mostly young, and mostly nothing more than thugs. The solution is to go after the money, and the leaders along with the ones they are listening too. I don't care what country they are in. All a war creates is generals, heroes, and new enemies!





Old or young, rich or poor, we are all Americans and we are ALL in danger.

[Chi-Town]

This seems like getting off of one issue and on to another which IS political. Let's not debate wealth. War is hell and should be avoided at almost all costs.

This one has to be fought.


Old or young, rich or poor, we are all Americans and we are ALL in danger.
I think you may have misread rp001's post that prompted your scold.

[kittygilchrist]

Some folks here are in fear. I, for one am not, but I do see a need to address this. This should be a well thought out approach and have the support of all the American people. In the past we have done knee jerk responses and that is why we are in this mess internationally.

As in the movie Godfather, when you kill one, you create several new enemies, the children. From what I've gathered this group is composed of about 10000, mostly young, and mostly nothing more than thugs. The solution is to go after the money, and the leaders along with the ones they are listening too. I don't care what country they are in. All a war creates is generals, heroes, and new enemies!

Regarding knee jerks...apparently US intelligence has tracked ISIS for at least a year....yawn....?
What will ever have "support of all american..." We elect as you know. Can't say more.

[graciegirl]

I think you may have misread rp001's post that prompted your scold.

I may have misread rp100's point. I will try to see it differently.

I think you are right and she is right and I apologize.

[kittygilchrist]

I may have misread rp100's post. I will try to see it differently.

I think you are right and she is right and I apologize.

Gracie, you are right, she is wrong. There is evil that rivals good.

[billethkid]

the united states is fighting a war it can not win -- sorry to say --- all of the ships and tanks - fighter planes are antiquated - terrorism and cyber attacks is the wars of the future and the united states is not winning - i will stop now as anything else will be take down

I disagree. The United States could easily win any war if the military leaders were told to do so.
The war(s) cannot and never will be won by arm chair politicans whose objectives do not include winning.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

the united states is fighting a war it can not win -- sorry to say --- all of the ships and tanks - fighter planes are antiquated - terrorism and cyber attacks is the wars of the future and the united states is not winning - i will stop now as anything else will be take down

I would agree that we cannot win using only traditional weapons of war. We cannot bomb them into extinction and planes and tanks alone will not win this kind of war. We have entered a new age as far as waging war is concerned. Much of this war that will take place covertly. Things will happen that we will never know about. But, this has always been the case with wars. Intelligence and covert operations were also critical to winning WWI and WWII but not as much as they are today.

But, I disagree that we cannot win this war. We have access to the greatest minds and technology on the planet. We also have strong allies with this same knowledge and we are strong with traditional weapons as well as boots on the ground which will have to play some part in defeating ISIS.

I will say that you may be right in that this is a war that can never be completely won by anyone. We can destroy ISIS, we can decimate al-Qaeda, we can knock out the Taliban, but other terrorists groups will rise up to take their place. I'm afraid that the world will be in a permanent state of war from now on. It's not unlike our domestic "war on crime".
We will always be fighting crime, but we will never be totally rid of crime, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop fighting crime.

[chachacha]

we must all take a deep breath, quiet our minds and affirm "Be still, and know that I am God". there will be many things out of our control, but two things we CAN do are PRAY and VOTE for the leaders whom we believe will take action to protect us as far as possible. the rest is left to destiny.