As a younger Villager I see differences in attitudes of Villagers under 65 vs over

[jbdlfan]

I see a distinct difference in attitudes, experiences and belief systems in Villagers under 65 right now versus those that are not. The reason I bring this up is I notice comments that vary quite often along these lines. I am talking about folks that experienced college or whatnot in the late 60s , early 70s versus late 50s , early 60s. I golf and interact with both sets of individuals but I notice so much of a difference. My question.....Am I the only one that sees this? I'm not condemning or praising either group, just seeing a significant difference.

[Cajulian]

Remember, that the youth of the mid-60's and early 70's was the start of the "Hippie/Free Spirit" generation. We went on to different college experiences, different types of war (Viet Nam), sexually free spirited, etc., etc.

One thing that both generations still demonstrated, was overall good and decent values that carried us all thru our lives.

We live in a much different world today. As you say, you can see differences between these age groups. Take the two groups you mention, and compare them to the generations of today and you will see a very different World View.

As for me, I am very glad to have grown up back then versus now. America was the land of opportunity and greatness. Today, the world and our great country is in great trouble.

We are living in the right place at this time in our lives. We can still all enjoy what life is meant to be even though you can see some differences in views between our age groups.

[Edjkoz]

Yes, there are differences due to different life experiences but here in The Villages, I find we all have one thing in common. We have all worked hard, our whole lives and now we want to enjoy ourselves. For the most part, I enjoy the variety

[2BNTV]

Th book, "The Greatest Generation" talks about this problem or diversity.

The WWII veterans viewed their responsilbilities as something that needed to be done without question, and set forth to build the USA after the war. They were an industrious group of people who were tying to make up for lost time and believed very deeply in marriage, and building a life together. They were a generation who went without many material things for the greater good. Divorce was out of the equation for them.

The generation they raised were different, as they never talked about the war, and their children had no idea of what a big deal their fathers/mothers went through. In a sense, they felt they needed to change the system, without the hard work and sacrifice of their parents.

We are the most powerful nation on earth and most people today seem to think it was always this way. When we entered WWII, we were the 17th world power. We came out of the war as number 1, and have enjoyed that rating, since then. Many of the initially men trained before thee war broke out, were very overweight/out of shape, and not representative of what it took to win the war. Source is FDR by Jean Edward Smith.

I for one, am guilty of the same type of thinking, as I never realized until twenty years ago what a deal time war hero my uncle was. He worked hard all his life, was married to my aunt for 75 years and raised a family without one complaint. Did he have something to complain about. The answer is yes, but he just kept his mouth shut, and solved his own problems. He never wanted to relive the horrors of war, and only sought a better life in the USA for his family and children. The same for my parents as they never talked about the depression and how it affected them. They were hard times they always hoped their children, would never have to know.

That is the difference going forward as many of us don't understand the previous generations sacrifices to build a better America. I guess thus has been said of many generations, since the country was formed.

[perrjojo]

I see a distinct difference in attitudes, experiences and belief systems in Villagers under 65 right now versus those that are not. The reason I bring this up is I notice comments that vary quite often along these lines. I am talking about folks that experienced college or whatnot in the late 60s , early 70s versus late 50s , early 60s. I golf and interact with both sets of individuals but I notice so much of a difference. My question.....Am I the only one that sees this? I'm not condemning or praising either group, just seeing a significant difference.

I find myself wondering what are these "distinct" differences that you find?

[Blessed2BNTV]

Th book, "The Greatest Generation" talks about this problem or diversity.

The WWII veterans viewed their responsilbilities as something that needed to be done without question, and set forth to build the USA after the war. They were an industrious group of people who were tying to make up for lost time and believed very deeply in marriage, and building a life together. They were a generation who went without many material things for the greater good. Divorce was out of the equation for them.

The generation they raised were different, as they never talked about the war, and their children had no idea of what a big deal their fathers/mothers went through. In a sense, they felt they needed to change the system, without the hard work and sacrifice of their parents.

We are the most powerful nation on earth and most people today seem to think it was always this way. When we entered WWII, we were the 17th world power. We came out of the war as number 1, and have enjoyed that rating, since then. Many of the initially men trained before thee war broke out, were very overweight/out of shape, and not representative of what it took to win the war. Source is FDR by Jean Edward Smith.

I for one, am guilty of the same type of thinking, as I never realized until twenty years ago what a deal time war hero my uncle was. He worked hard all his life, was married to my aunt for 75 years and raised a family without one complaint. Did he have something to complain about. The answer is yes, but he just kept his mouth shut, and solved his own problems. He never wanted to relive the horrors of war, and only sought a better life in the USA for his family and children. The same for my parents as they never talked about the depression and how it affected them. They were hard times they always hoped their children, would never have to know.

That is the difference going forward as many of us don't understand the previous generations sacrifices to build a better America. I guess thus has been said of many generations, since the country was formed.

Beautifully stated Joe.

[rubicon]

Perhaps I am mistaken and it is a generational thing but quite frankly I believe it is our genetic makeup, family upbringing and our personal experiences as we travel through life that shapes our attitudes.

I was not inclined to belong to the so called free spirited hippy generation finding absolutely no connection while I had a brother that gravitated in that direction and he was older than me.

We seem to try and compartmentalize and label people and that is too broad a brush to paint with. a person can be liberal in one area and conservative in the next. having said that as a general statement as one poster pointed out the greatest generation was of the same thought process but then the depression and WWII kind of forced that issue i.e. self preservation

Finally attitudes shift within each generation due to the maturation process

[folkh]

Beautifully stated Joe.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2BNTV
Th book, "The Greatest Generation" talks about this problem or diversity.

The WWII veterans viewed their responsilbilities as something that needed to be done without question, and set forth to build the USA after the war. They were an industrious group of people who were tying to make up for lost time and believed very deeply in marriage, and building a life together. They were a generation who went without many material things for the greater good. Divorce was out of the equation for them.

The generation they raised were different, as they never talked about the war, and their children had no idea of what a big deal their fathers/mothers went through. In a sense, they felt they needed to change the system, without the hard work and sacrifice of their parents.

We are the most powerful nation on earth and most people today seem to think it was always this way. When we entered WWII, we were the 17th world power. We came out of the war as number 1, and have enjoyed that rating, since then. Many of the initially men trained before thee war broke out, were very overweight/out of shape, and not representative of what it took to win the war. Source is FDR by Jean Edward Smith.

I for one, am guilty of the same type of thinking, as I never realized until twenty years ago what a deal time war hero my uncle was. He worked hard all his life, was married to my aunt for 75 years and raised a family without one complaint. Did he have something to complain about. The answer is yes, but he just kept his mouth shut, and solved his own problems. He never wanted to relive the horrors of war, and only sought a better life in the USA for his family and children. The same for my parents as they never talked about the depression and how it affected them. They were hard times they always hoped their children, would never have to know.

That is the difference going forward as many of us don't understand the previous generations sacrifices to build a better America. I guess thus has been said of many generations, since the country was formed.

Beautifully stated Joe.

I second that. Very nicely said Joe!!

[OBXNana]

I don't think this is unique to The Villages. We live geographically close to our children and grandchildren. As a result, we find we are frequently in a group that can be people our children's age, our age, and older than us. As Rubicon stated, it is generational upbringing. Frequently, the young children that may not have the behavior we see as appropriate, have parents and grandparents that scream on the side lines of the U-8 soccer games.

We have spent little time in The Villages (sadly). But, I would guess the differences between the age groups is in every town, city, and state in the USA. My parents generation went through the depression and my parents never forgot losing their house or having a used toy under the Christmas tree. My generation had to get under their desks because "the Russians are coming". Our children grew up learning about the world wide web. Very different perspective simply due to the age we happen to be born into.

We personally embrace these difference and frequently learn something from a person we have diverse beliefs. There are many things in our lives that are right and wrong. Stealing is wrong. But, there are a lot of areas that are neither right or wrong, simply an opinion. That's what the original post may be seeing that are simply geographic, generational, and genetic all plopped down in The Villages.

[collie1228]

I'm very curious what those significant differences are that you see between those of us over and under 65 years old. I'll be turning 65 in less than six months, and need to know if I should be working on any changes to my attitude so I can better fit in with my new demographic.

[dirtbanker]

collie1228 - I can appreciate the humor there!

[graciegirl]

Perhaps I am mistaken and it is a generational thing but quite frankly I believe it is our genetic makeup, family upbringing and our personal experiences as we travel through life that shapes our attitudes.

I was not inclined to belong to the so called free spirited hippy generation finding absolutely no connection while I had a brother that gravitated in that direction and he was older than me.

We seem to try and compartmentalize and label people and that is too broad a brush to paint with. a person can be liberal in one area and conservative in the next. having said that as a general statement as one poster pointed out the greatest generation was of the same thought process but then the depression and WWII kind of forced that issue i.e. self preservation

Finally attitudes shift within each generation due to the maturation process


I am thinking of printing this post and framing it.

I absolutely agree and I think you show great wisdom in saying this.

[graciegirl]

Twenty years ago we had a four year old granddaughter and a two year old grandson. We have watched them reach adult hood safely and become employed in their chosen fields. We watched another generation and acquired a lot of knowledge we didn't have twenty years ago.

We all change a LOT in twenty years.

It is important to remember this, that we only truly KNEW how to raise children before we had any, and we are no more wise about how we will be in 20 years. So...it is likely that in twenty years, you may become the difference you are seeing.

Life and living and observing and participating will change you, OP. You may turn out pretty much like the person who you think is so different than you are now.

[Bruiser1]

I see a distinct difference in attitudes, experiences and belief systems in Villagers under 65 right now versus those that are not. The reason I bring this up is I notice comments that vary quite often along these lines. I am talking about folks that experienced college or whatnot in the late 60s , early 70s versus late 50s , early 60s. I golf and interact with both sets of individuals but I notice so much of a difference. My question.....Am I the only one that sees this? I'm not condemning or praising either group, just seeing a significant difference.ng

I want to commend the participants on this thread for having a rational dialogue.

As a younger member of the demographic pool, I too see changes between generations.

Often we hear the phase "celebrate diversity". But in reality diversity is a fact.
when we forget our common values: courtesy, dignity, empathy, that's when hostility enters.

I interact with my older golf partners, two of them couldn't be farther apart politically. We agree to disagree and leave it as that.

:gc:

[Chi-Town]

I'm very curious what those significant differences are that you see between those of us over and under 65 years old. I'll be turning 65 in less than six months, and need to know if I should be working on any changes to my attitude so I can better fit in with my new demographic.
Don't worry, you'll always be a Baby Boomer. Generation X will be moving in soon. Then we can compare notes with three generations.

[lamplighter]

We allow the media to run rampant under the guise of free speech and reflecting society....but it is not the majority of society and not the direction of betterment, just what titilates and sells. We know in our hearts and minds how it affects the young and their values. On the other side:
Yes I agree we attempt to compartmentalize, to judge while we are discerning entire groups yet it is like a church congregation, look closely and every degree is there from the fanatics to the nay Sayers. To color them all with the same brush is to mislead.

[graciegirl]

I find myself wondering what are these "distinct" differences that you find?


Me too.

Come back Jbdfan and 'splain.

[eweissenbach]

Th book, "The Greatest Generation" talks about this problem or diversity.

The WWII veterans viewed their responsilbilities as something that needed to be done without question, and set forth to build the USA after the war. They were an industrious group of people who were tying to make up for lost time and believed very deeply in marriage, and building a life together. They were a generation who went without many material things for the greater good. Divorce was out of the equation for them.

The generation they raised were different, as they never talked about the war, and their children had no idea of what a big deal their fathers/mothers went through. In a sense, they felt they needed to change the system, without the hard work and sacrifice of their parents.

We are the most powerful nation on earth and most people today seem to think it was always this way. When we entered WWII, we were the 17th world power. We came out of the war as number 1, and have enjoyed that rating, since then. Many of the initially men trained before thee war broke out, were very overweight/out of shape, and not representative of what it took to win the war. Source is FDR by Jean Edward Smith.

I for one, am guilty of the same type of thinking, as I never realized until twenty years ago what a deal time war hero my uncle was. He worked hard all his life, was married to my aunt for 75 years and raised a family without one complaint. Did he have something to complain about. The answer is yes, but he just kept his mouth shut, and solved his own problems. He never wanted to relive the horrors of war, and only sought a better life in the USA for his family and children. The same for my parents as they never talked about the depression and how it affected them. They were hard times they always hoped their children, would never have to know.

That is the difference going forward as many of us don't understand the previous generations sacrifices to build a better America. I guess thus has been said of many generations, since the country was formed.

So reasonable and wise Joe. You are the best!

Perhaps I am mistaken and it is a generational thing but quite frankly I believe it is our genetic makeup, family upbringing and our personal experiences as we travel through life that shapes our attitudes.

I was not inclined to belong to the so called free spirited hippy generation finding absolutely no connection while I had a brother that gravitated in that direction and he was older than me.

We seem to try and compartmentalize and label people and that is too broad a brush to paint with. a person can be liberal in one area and conservative in the next. having said that as a general statement as one poster pointed out the greatest generation was of the same thought process but then the depression and WWII kind of forced that issue i.e. self preservation

Finally attitudes shift within each generation due to the maturation process

If only our elected representatives would govern like that. I think most of them would in their heart of hearts, but the special interests and to a great degree, their constituents won't let them. Sigh!

[paulascorpio]

Just curious as to what, the differences are between: under 65 and over 65, besides age? Do tell……

[Chi-Town]

The youngest Silent Generation is 70, the youngest Baby Boomer is 50. There will be differences due to different fields of experience.

[perrjojo]

Just curious as to what, the differences are between: under 65 and over 65, besides age? Do tell……

I asked the same question but got no response.

[graciegirl]

Just curious as to what, the differences are between: under 65 and over 65, besides age? Do tell……


Bump

[shcisamax]

I think they are alluding to the differences that occur having grown up in different eras. I believe someone spoke to that earlier in the thread. We are all the same but we view and perceive things a little differently depending upon what surrounded us in formative years. Just as 20 year olds think texting is the most efficient form of communication, most 65 year olds pick up the phone...unless of course they are communicating with a much younger person who never picks up the phone. :)

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Some people prefer to remain young at heart and mind and will change with the times. Others are rather set in their ways. We have all types here in the Village.
As for me I am a 30 year old trapped in a 60+ year old body but everything still works at least most of the time.

[TheVillageChicken]

I am on my 70th lap around the sun and spent the afternoon shucking and eating Bon Secour oysters and learning to play this song stoned. You never know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IKZ7Tbqyg4

[patfla06]

I don't really understand the big difference of those of us under 65 (me) and those over 65 (my husband).

What big differences do you see?:confused:

[rubicon]

Want to know one of the secret to the reasons for differences in attitude? Picture a guy looking at Charlize Theron in a bathing suit at 30 then Charlize at 65.
Picture Charlize Theron at 30 viewing you at age 65 viewing her as opposed to a 30 something viewing her.

Picture you at 17 party til 1999 then picture you at 60, 65, 65+ partying til 1999.

Age, genetics, significant life event, home town, home state, ethnic background, IQ, mentored, teachers, desire

We should embrace our differences because it makes the human race so much interesting

[billethkid]

there are no two points in different times that are the same.

To be able to state observing "...notable differences..." I would like to know what they are.

We built our home here in 2004 and today I can safely say there are some "noteable differences''..........general statements are just that....general satements!

[dewilson58]

Just curious as to what, the differences are between: under 65 and over 65, besides age? Do tell……

There aren't any.

64 vs 66 is the same as

74 vs 76

and

24 vs 26.

Maybe it's the difference between the people who live in houses with even house numbers vs those who live in houses with odd house numbers.

:jester:

[graciegirl]

There aren't any.

64 vs 66 is the same as

74 vs 76

and

24 vs 26.

Maybe it's the difference between the people who live in houses with even house numbers vs those who live in houses with odd house numbers.

:jester:

But...there are some differences in how people look at things who are 48, the op's age and 75, my age. Our daughter is 48 and I tell her. "I have been YOUR age, but you have never been mine."


I am waiting to hear what this young whippersnapper has to say. Come back jbdfan.

[2BNTV]

Ten years of difference of age can lead to different ways of viewing the world. People will have listened to, and like different kinds of music is one example. Watched different television shows, etc.

Possibly, the way some people view the spending of money on things that seem important to their respective age groups.

A couple of years difference is not too big a spread, to have different values. I one is 64 and another 66, they have grown up in the same culture and same very similar views on life.

Remember the old joke when an older person was talking to a much younger person saying, "I remember where I was when JFK was shot", and the young person replied, "who if JFK"?

I was talking to a young man last week who said he was a musician and I mentioned Neil Sedaka, and he replied, "who's that". Never heard of him. I'm sure if he mentioned a new group from his generation, I was have answered the same way.

[justjim]

There are residents in TV who are 74 who are "young" and residents who are 55 who are many years older in their actions and attitude. That is my observation after 8 years.

Your "attitude" and behaviors has more to do with your background, education and experiences than your age IMHO.

[sunnyatlast]

Maybe the o.p. is referring to geographic differences, between the oldest sections and the newest? I've heard resentment toward newer/younger residents moving in because "there's too much money over there" (south of 466).

(My reply was, "what sane developer-builder would target buyers who don't have money?" but that fell on deaf ears).

I don't think people who bought the thousands of patio villas, courtyard villas, ranch-cottage homes or designer homes are flaunting their money, especially since over half of all homeowners here paid cash for them.

Also considering that the national new home median selling price was $221,800 and the average selling price was $272,900 according to 2010 Census data.

http://www.census.gov/const/uspriceann.pdf

[asianthree]

My parents have a different idea of finance and homes in retirement than I do. First they are 25 years older than I am. So I guess being raised during the depression makes a difference.

[Pointer]

I am on my 70th lap around the sun and spent the afternoon shucking and eating Bon Secour oysters and learning to play this song stoned. You never know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IKZ7Tbqyg4

Thanks for the link, that was catchy. :pepper2::pepper2::pepper2:

[fb32162]

There are residents in TV who are 74 who are "young" and residents who are 55 who are many years older in their actions and attitude. That is my observation after 8 years.

Your "attitude" and behaviors has more to do with your background, education and experiences than your age IMHO.


I couldn't agree more! I've met so many people here in TV in their 70s and 80s that have retained the curiosity and sense of adventure of youth. I've also met people in their 50s so rigid and stuck in the past (some even still wear the same hairstyle and eyeglasses from 30 yrs ago) they seem very old no matter what their age.

[tomwed]

Do you think the following Characteristics and AT Work feel accurate? I do.

http://extension.missouri.edu/extcouncil/documents/ecyl/Meet-the-generations.pdf

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wfsncz.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/161i81x.jpg

[jbdlfan]

Do you think the following Characteristics and AT Work feel accurate? I do.

http://extension.missouri.edu/extcouncil/documents/ecyl/Meet-the-generations.pdf

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wfsncz.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/161i81x.jpg

Well, this is incredibly accurate from my viewpoint and is close to what I was referring to. I lost my father recently and have thought often about his generation. He was incredibly loyal, to a fault sometimes. I on the other hand am much more skeptical.
I had this conversation with my spouse and found out we disagree completely from my original premise. I felt one way but we had completely different experiences with the same "groups." So maybe I am alone....Like I said, I'm not condemning or praising either. Just a personal observation.

[OldManTime]

We old folk, stop at stop signs!

[TheVillageChicken]

We old folk, stop at stop signs!

And often forget to move on.

[Chi-Town]

Do you think the following Characteristics and AT Work feel accurate? I do.

http://extension.missouri.edu/extcouncil/documents/ecyl/Meet-the-generations.pdf

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wfsncz.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/161i81x.jpg
Characteristics for sure. Especially the conservatism mentioned in the Silent Generation chart.

[graciegirl]

Characteristics for sure. Especially the conservatism mentioned in the Silent Generation chart.

YUP. I agree. Boomers say that rules should be obeyed unless they are contrary to what they want.

I am so glad I am me and as old as I am. I was liberal when I was young but like most people became more moderate with age.

[dewilson58]

YUP. I agree. Boomers say that rules should be obeyed unless they are contrary to what they want.

I am so glad I am me and as old as I am. I was liberal when I was young but like most people became more moderate with age. When you see how things work, usually you lean more toward the right.


Boomer here. There are rules I obey that are contrary to what I want.

[Tennisnut]

Boomer here. There are rules I obey unless they need to be changed. For example, how many rules were changed due to causes in the 60's and 70's? Civil right, women's rights, the Vietnam war protest. If these young boomers did not stand up against rules, blacks would sitting in the back of the bus, drinking out designated fountains, women not have control of their bodies nor be making comparable pay for comparable work. I guess what I mean, boomers don't mind rocking the boat or questioning authority since authority is granted by the citizens of this nation.

[dewilson58]

Boomer here. There are rules I obey unless they need to be changed. For example, how many rules were changed due to causes in the 60's and 70's? Civil right, women's rights, the Vietnam war protest. If these young boomers did not stand up against rules, blacks would sitting in the back of the bus, drinking out designated fountains, women not have control of their bodies nor be making comparable pay for comparable work. I guess what I mean, boomers don't mind rocking the boat or questioning authority since authority is granted by the citizens of this nation.

You Go Girl!!!

[Bavarian]

Not all Boomers were Hippies! Many of us were and still are Conservative, loyal to our employer and follow the rules. Do not paint a generation with a broad brush.

[graciegirl]

You Go Girl!!!


UMMMM. Tennisnut isn't a she.

[Tennisnut]

UMMMM. Tennisnut isn't a she.

You are right! He is also not a Hippie but does believe that current standards or rules sometimes needs to be questioned.

Any fool can make a rule. And any fool will mind it. (Thoreau - 1860)

[The Mountaineer]

We are the sum total of our experiences.

Those who grew up in the Great Depression, like my father and father-in-law, had a different outlook on life and the economy and a great distrust of financial systems. After the too-big-to-fail bank collape that nearly toppled America, maybe they were right.

As pointed out, those who grew up in the 60s and 70s were more about repairing what was wrong in the world.

You don't need to know how old someone is when you hear how they think. It's reflected in their opinions and values.

If we all the same cookie-cutter mentality, it would be boring. It's those who rock the boat, not just for fun but to improve things, who have made most of the improvements in society.

Different generations will always have different outlooks on life and everything else, because they have different sum total of their experiences.

[NYGUY]

....Any fool can make a rule. And any fool will mind it. (Thoreau - 1860)

So True!!

[graciegirl]

So True!!


ahhhhhhh now I know who thinks stop signs are just suggestions...:shocked:

[NYGUY]

ahhhhhhh now I know who thinks stop signs are just suggestions...:shocked:

LOL....Thanks Gracie!!:)

[dillywho]

We are the sum total of our experiences.

Those who grew up in the Great Depression, like my father and father-in-law, had a different outlook on life and the economy and a great distrust of financial systems. After the too-big-to-fail bank collape that nearly toppled America, maybe they were right.

As pointed out, those who grew up in the 60s and 70s were more about repairing what was wrong in the world.

You don't need to know how old someone is when you hear how they think. It's reflected in their opinions and values.

If we all the same cookie-cutter mentality, it would be boring. It's those who rock the boat, not just for fun but to improve things, who have made most of the improvements in society.

Different generations will always have different outlooks on life and everything else, because they have different sum total of their experiences.

True about "those who rock the boat.....who have made most of the improvements in society." Unfortunately, not all those changes have been "improvements". But, then, that is just my opinion. Dr. Spock and his child-rearing advice comes to the forefront of my mind. Never have we had such a rude, self-centered generation with much of it due in a great part to his philosophies. Like I said, my opinion. Thank goodness not all parents signed on to his ideas.

[Tennisnut]

True about "those who rock the boat.....who have made most of the improvements in society." Unfortunately, not all those changes have been "improvements". But, then, that is just my opinion. Dr. Spock and his child-rearing advice comes to the forefront of my mind. Never have we had such a rude, self-centered generation with much of it due in a great part to his philosophies. Like I said, my opinion. Thank goodness not all parents signed on to his ideas.

Don't think Adrian Peterson read Dr Spock's book!

[dewilson58]

What's with this lady's attitude????

Florida woman flies plane on 90th birthday (http://news.yahoo.com/florida-woman-flies-plane-90th-birthday-114632877.html)

:pepper2::pepper2:

[dewilson58]

UMMMM. Tennisnut isn't a she.

It's a saying, nothing to do with sex.

[tomwed]

I don't know or maybe I forgot what Dr. Spock's philosophy was with child rearing. I'll look into that today in between golf and a photography club meeting. I'm curious.

"Spock changed all that with his encouragement for parents to follow their instincts, be attentive to the baby's needs, and be generous with affection." - See more at: Dr. Benjamin Spock: Child Care and Controversy | Legacy.com (http://www.legacy.com/news/legends-and-legacies/dr-benjamin-spock-child-care-and-controversy/574/#sthash.PENEjSYq.dpuf)

Wow!
I always felt sorry for my friends that were afraid of their parents. When my parents could not take care of themselves y brother sister and I hired round the clock health care providers to live with them. We did this for years and told them SS paid for all that. They didn't have much because they always helped us out. We always visited and talked on the phone when we could not be there. I miss them.

[graciegirl]

Rules:

I spent most of my life in company of boomer teachers. I have often said and heard many say "It is easier to ask forgiveness then it is to ask for permission".

You can learn a lot by taking chances and making mistakes. I've passed that on to my kids along with being curious and questioning everything.

I don't know or maybe I forgot what Dr. Spock's philosophy was with child rearing. I'll look into that today in between golf and a photography club meeting. I'm curious.

Well, I suppose your philosophy has merit, but my kids heard if you break the rules, I will NOT bail you out. AND I didn't just mean jail. I think there are loads of challenges and accomplishments to be won inside the rules. I think on this, I am just as right as you are. In a sense I parented a good deal of the time alone as Sweetie often was flying all around somewhere working.

I don't remember what Spock had to say about discipline but his book was a good go to book on Children's Disease. Except it worried me to death. Everything I read in that book, I knew they were getting at three in the morning.

[TheVillageChicken]

Well, I suppose your philosophy has merit, but my kids heard if you break the rules, I will NOT bail you out. AND I didn't just mean jail. I think there are loads of challenges and accomplishments to be won inside the rules. I think on this, I am just as right as you are. In a sense I parented a good deal of the time alone as Sweetie often was flying all around somewhere working.

I don't remember what Spock had to say about discipline but his book was a good go to book on Children's Disease. Except it worried me to death. Everything I read in that book, I knew they were getting at three in the morning.

That was our approach too, and we have wildly successful children. They are both still married to the same partner after over twenty years, have super kids, and are both very prosperous. I am pre-boomer but my sister is a boomer. Sis coddled and spoiled their kids who are both divorced and both still on Mama's tit in their forties. She is doing the same thing to the grandkids who all have to split time between their parents. When I was in high school, I only knew one kid whose parents divorced....and they eventually remarried one another.

[Bruiser1]

We are the sum total of our experiences.

Those who grew up in the Great Depression, like my father and father-in-law, had a different outlook on life and the economy and a great distrust of financial systems. After the too-big-to-fail bank collape that nearly toppled America, maybe they were right.

As pointed out, those who grew up in the 60s and 70s were more about repairing what was wrong in the world.

You don't need to know how old someone is when you hear how they think. It's reflected in their opinions and values.

If we all the same cookie-cutter mentality, it would be boring. It's those who rock the boat, not just for fun but to improve things, who have made most of the improvements in society.

Different generations will always have different outlooks on life and everything else, because they have different sum total of their experiences.


Also different life experiences :

My family (other than me) have lived in the same small town or within the same county their entire lives.


Meanwhile college-then drafted and in a foreign country then back to college
have given me incredible life experiences.

Some have said it was a difficult transition to The Villages. "It's not like back home". I have heard others saying the Villages is "like a air force base" meaning it's the blending of cultures, different state attitudes, diversity of population.

:gc:

[kevmo]

I too have observed the OP's original point that there appears to be distinct differences in views expressed by those over 65 and those under 65. Sixty-five happens to be the current age that aligns to the significant transition that occurred during the coming of age decade, the 60's.

My sister is 67 and I just turned 62. Our differences are not generational, but the result of our timing and experiences during a time when the status quo was no longer acceptable. Both of us attended the University of Dayton where my sister and her friends wore coordinated outfits, were required to wear beanies as freshman, and loved the Kingston Trio. Just 5 years later, my class was wearing jeans and sandals, would have left school if someone had made us wear beanies, and loved the music and spirit of Woodstock.

Simple examples, but examples none the less of the transition that took place during the 60's and how it shaped the differences within a generation.

[graciegirl]

I too have observed the OP's original point that there appears to be distinct differences in views expressed by those over 65 and those under 65. Sixty-five happens to be the current age that aligns to the significant transition that occurred during the coming of age decade, the 60's.

My sister is 67 and I just turned 62. Our differences are not generational, but the result of our timing and experiences during a time when the status quo was no longer acceptable. Both of us attended the University of Dayton where my sister and her friends wore coordinated outfits, were required to wear beanies as freshman, and loved the Kingston Trio. Just 5 years later, my class was wearing jeans and sandals, would have left school if someone had made us wear beanies, and loved the music and spirit of Woodstock.

Simple examples, but examples none the less of the transition that took place during the 60's and how it shaped the differences within a generation.


I am sorry you didn't like the Kingston Trio.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+kingston+trio+seasons+in+the+sun&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=44EF7416662AA99F6E2544EF7416662AA99F6E25

[Chi-Town]

OK, here's a Woodstock example to helo bridge the gap from the Kingston Trio to Santana.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZceAQSJvc

[sunnyatlast]

OK, here's a Woodstock example to helo bridge the gap from the Kingston Trio to Santana.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZceAQSJvc

Wow! Awesome instrumentals and the drumming at 2:50 -- and he holds his sticks the traditional way not seen much in recent times.

The first thing I noticed was the natural afro hair. I'm always wondering why, since the women's lib and "black is beautiful" age, that we never see African American women with natural afro hairstyling. It's always straightened with lots of styling hours involved. But I guess it's quite limiting to one style to go natural.

I also noticed that the group actually looks more "clean cut" (!!) than most rock groups of the 80s, 90s and forward. No pierced faces, tattoos, etc.

[Chi-Town]

Wow! Awesome instrumentals and the drumming at 2:50 -- and he holds his sticks the traditional way not seen much in recent times.

The first thing I noticed was the natural afro hair. I'm always wondering why, since the women's lib and "black is beautiful" age, that we never see African American women with natural afro hairstyling. It's always straightened with lots of styling hours involved. But I guess it's quite limiting to one style to go natural.

I also noticed that the group actually looks more "clean cut" (!!) than most rock groups of the 80s, 90s and forward. No pierced faces, tattoos, etc.


As Paul Harvey would say "here is the rest of the story"

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8LcqwL8a00

[Tennisnut]

And don't forget about the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Turn it up!!!

Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Gold Lion - YouTube

[John_W]

Wow! Awesome instrumentals and the drumming at 2:50 -- and he holds his sticks the traditional way not seen much in recent times.

That drummer is Michael Shrieve, he was about 20 years old at the time and played on the first 8 Santana albums. That was their best lineup, the vocalist was keyboardist Greg Rolie who along with guitarist Neil Schon left Santana about the same time and formed Journey in the mid 70's. Greg Rolie was the original vocalist on the first three Journey albums, but eventually he was replaced by Steve Perry when the record label wanted a more radio friendly sound. In the 1980's you might remember the super group album HSAS, that featured vocalist Sammy Hagar, guitarist Neil Schon, bassist Kenny Aaronson & drummer Michael Shrieve).

http://somethingelsereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hsas-sammy-hagar-neal-schon.jpg

[ariel]

Under 65. Loved Paul Harvey, Kingston Trio, Santana, Jazz in general, Platters, Maroon 5, yada, yada, yada....not sure age makes a difference. Just my humble opinion.

[scot_atc]

I prefer 70's - 80's metal, ie. Aerosmith, AC/DC, Def Leppard... My Sirius/XM presets range from Symphony Hall to Ozzys Boneyard. Not a huge Hillbilly Pop (new country music) fan, but if it's live??? Bring it on. Live Blues - Doesn't get any better. Definitely under 65.

[The Mountaineer]

I like Willie Nelson, jazz, classical music, 1940s big band music, Elvis Presley, Jo Stafford, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Glen Miller, ballads, lyrics I can understand (know what words they're using), but I understand that there are those who have other preferences, and I have no problem with that. Different strokes for different strokes.

[graciegirl]

I like Willie Nelson, jazz, classical music, 1940s big band music, Elvis Presley, Jo Stafford, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Glen Miller, ballads, lyrics I can understand (know what words they're using), but I understand that there are those who have other preferences, and I have no problem with that. Different strokes for different strokes.

I like you West Virginia fellow. I hope that you move close to us and we can be friends with you two.

[rubicon]

Well this thread proves one thing for sure Can't trust anyone under 70. Those 60's 70's kids who were out to change the world missed the mark and in my view should have deferred to the 50's crowd they had a better handle on it all

Cést la vie

[Tennisnut]

I prefer 70's - 80's metal, ie. Aerosmith, AC/DC, Def Leppard... My Sirius/XM presets range from Symphony Hall to Ozzys Boneyard. Not a huge Hillbilly Pop (new country music) fan, but if it's live??? Bring it on. Live Blues - Doesn't get any better. Definitely under 65.

Heavy metal is great workout music! Def Leppard especially! Also, under 65.

[sunnyatlast]

Wow! Awesome instrumentals and the drumming at 2:50 -- and he holds his sticks the traditional way not seen much in recent times.

The first thing I noticed was the natural afro hair. I'm always wondering why, since the women's lib and "black is beautiful" age, that we never see African American women with natural afro hairstyling. It's always straightened with lots of styling hours involved. But I guess it's quite limiting to one style to go natural.

I also noticed that the group actually looks more "clean cut" (!!) than most rock groups of the 80s, 90s and forward. No pierced faces, tattoos, etc.

As Paul Harvey would say "here is the rest of the story"

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8LcqwL8a00

Notice I was talking about "looking" clean cut, as in no facial piercings, tattoos, etc. On first view I was thinking they had that sweaty, "Where am I?" look on their faces.

Sad that people still think they can do drugs without ugly consequences.

[Chi-Town]

Notice I was talking about "looking" clean cut, as in no facial piercings, tattoos, etc. On first view I was thinking they had that sweaty, "Where am I?" look on their faces.

Sad that people still think they can do drugs without ugly consequences.
I understand. I do think Carlos took heed which is why he is still performing today.

[gamby]

Attitudes go with the person not with the age of the person;

[graciegirl]

Heavy metal is great workout music! Def Leppard especially! Also, under 65.

Not that much.

[billethkid]

Attitudes go with the person not with the age of the person;

EXCELLENT!!! The most accurate, profound and concise observation.
Thank you for the calibration!

[jbdlfan]

Heavy metal is great workout music! Def Leppard especially! Also, under 65.

A little Billy Idol or AC/DC on the morning run will also move you a bit quicker.
As a matter of fact, we about died when we heard "Rebel Yell" and "Money" for the first time on the Square. Hopefully it won't be long before we get "Crazy Train", "Highway to Hell", or "Welcome to the Jungle" playing down there. LOL

[Tennisnut]

A little Billy Idol or AC/DC on the morning run will also move you a bit quicker.
As a matter of fact, we about died when we heard "Rebel Yell" and "Money" for the first time on the Square. Hopefully it won't be long before we get "Crazy Train", "Highway to Hell", or "Welcome to the Jungle" playing down there. LOL

Welcome to Jungle will be playing this Sunday at the Bengals game. Guns and Roses " Sweet Child of Mine" is one of my favorites! Too bad Axel Rose abused himself so much but loved the music.

[Tennisnut]

Not that much.

??? Not that much "what"?

[graciegirl]

Those of us OLDER villagers have lived long enough to know the difference between threads that are clearly asking for information and insight and those that are thinly veiled opportunities to try to feel superior. We older villagers are superior because we are superior. When the rest of you get to be our age then perhaps you will be superior too. Until then all of this bragging about being younger is just falling on deaf (in many cases truly deaf) ears.

Carry on. I am turning up my Kingston Trio music.

Back to back....belly to belly.............

[Tennisnut]

Those of us OLDER villagers have lived long enough to know the difference between threads that are clearly asking for information and insight and those that are thinly veiled opportunities to try to feel superior. We older villagers are superior because we are superior. When the rest of you get to be our age then perhaps you will be superior too. Until then all of this bragging about being younger is just falling on deaf (in many cases truly deaf) ears.

Carry on.

Reminder do not direct comments toward other users. Being younger or older does not grant anyone superiority. I am sorry if our sharing of our experiences and music has offended any of our older Villagers as I am sure the older users sharing of their experiences and music has not offended me.

[graciegirl]

Point set game match.

And that is why there is so much pickleball played here in The Villages by people who used to play tennis. Because age happens. It is happening to all of us. We will discuss this in four years. AGAIN. With a different group.

[TheVillageChicken]

Reminder do not direct comments toward other users. Being younger or older does not grant anyone superiority. I am sorry if our sharing of our experiences and music has offended any of our older Villagers as I am sure the older users sharing of their experiences and music has not offended me.

Just remember, the FBI spent two years investigating the lyrics to one of our (old timers) songs.


Louie Louie - The Kingsmen (HQ) - YouTube

[Tennisnut]

Exactly! That is why one needs to embrace change and enjoy the evolution of life and culture. It is just not the good old days but a brand new world evolving. Our physical abilities may deteriorate but hopefully we continue to experience what this world has to offer as we take advantage of the fact it is growing smaller and smaller.

[Tennisnut]

Just remember, the FBI spent two years investigating the lyrics to one of our (old timers) songs.


Louie Louie - The Kingsmen (HQ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1p1dM3snQ)

I am not offended. Loved the song!

[graciegirl]

I am not offended. Loved the song!

Some of us understand what The Chicken is really saying. I understand. Can we have a show of hands?

[jbdlfan]

Those of us OLDER villagers have lived long enough to know the difference between threads that are clearly asking for information and insight and those that are thinly veiled opportunities to try to feel superior.


We older villagers are superior because we are superior. Kind of a ridiculous statement considering the point you wanted to make above....


When the rest of you get to be our age then perhaps you will be superior too. Until then all of this bragging about being younger is just falling on deaf (in many cases truly deaf) ears.
Carry on. I am turning up my Kingston Trio music.

Back to back....belly to belly.............

- Where in the world would this come from. I posted a question and observation that generated great dialogue between different age groups and perspectives. Sorry it didn't go the way you liked....

Where was anyone bragging about age????????????? Expressing common likes???? Not sure anyone put you or your music down. Geesh.....
Crank out the Ozzy....

[graciegirl]

Just remember, the FBI spent two years investigating the lyrics to one of our (old timers) songs.


Louie Louie - The Kingsmen (HQ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1p1dM3snQ)

I love it Chicken.

[billethkid]

I am always curious why some need to compartmentalize and measure.
Like older or younger or dem or repub or black or white to be converscent.

I never see or have never seen the need for knowing how old a person is or not. Or what flavor their politics are......etc.....etc....etc.

It is all about people and their likes or dislikes.......not whether they measure up according to whatever or whoever scale(s).

[Bavarian]

Those of us OLDER villagers have lived long enough to know the difference between threads that are clearly asking for information and insight and those that are thinly veiled opportunities to try to feel superior. We older villagers are superior because we are superior. When the rest of you get to be our age then perhaps you will be superior too. Until then all of this bragging about being younger is just falling on deaf (in many cases truly deaf) ears.

Carry on. I am turning up my Kingston Trio music.

Back to back....belly to belly.............

Liebe Fr. Gantner und Dear Grace,
I am not growing Older, I am becoming Less Young. :)

[Bavarian]

Those of us OLDER villagers have lived long enough to know the difference between threads that are clearly asking for information and insight and those that are thinly veiled opportunities to try to feel superior. We older villagers are superior because we are superior. When the rest of you get to be our age then perhaps you will be superior too. Until then all of this bragging about being younger is just falling on deaf (in many cases truly deaf) ears.

Carry on. I am turning up my Kingston Trio music.

Back to back....belly to belly.............

Liebe Fr. Gantner und Dear Grace,
I am not growing Older, I am becoming Less Young. :)

[Barefoot]

Attitudes go with the person, not with the age of the person;

Like.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I see a distinct difference in attitudes, experiences and belief systems in Villagers under 65 right now versus those that are not. The reason I bring this up is I notice comments that vary quite often along these lines. I am talking about folks that experienced college or whatnot in the late 60s , early 70s versus late 50s , early 60s. I golf and interact with both sets of individuals but I notice so much of a difference. My question.....Am I the only one that sees this? I'm not condemning or praising either group, just seeing a significant difference.

I would say if you experienced college in the late 60's or early 70's you are not a younger villager. I graduated from college in the mid 80's and have people in my neighborhood that graduated in the early 90's. I would say they qualify as younger villagers. Of course there are differences in attitudes but it has nothing to do with age. Has everything to do with life experiences and culture and personal beliefs and on and on

[sunnyatlast]

I am always curious why some need to compartmentalize and measure.
Like older or younger or dem or repub or black or white to be converscent.

I never see or have never seen the need for knowing how old a person is or not. Or what flavor their politics are......etc.....etc....etc.

It is all about people and their likes or dislikes.......not whether they measure up according to whatever or whoever scale(s).

Best post this month!

Stereotyping people into groups and into boxes and labeling the boxes according to how much others should dislike, ignore, discount, ridicule, dismiss each boxed group……and then champion the group that agrees with us……

Very uncomfortable when that happens.

[tomwed]

I use to laugh to myself in the 70's whenever I heard a college student explain to an older person "Hey man, I'm just doing my own thing". On many campuses, their own thing looked a lot like everybondy elses own thing.

I remember that the only TV show anyone would bother watching in the dorm sitting room was "All in the Family". The room would be packed. I can't remember any other show at the time that pitted one generation against the other with both sides being funny.

"Those were the days."

This is worth reading for more facts and opinions about All in The Family.

click here (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/07/the-great-divide-3)

[NYGUY]

I would say if you experienced college in the late 60's or early 70's you are not a younger villager....

Oh darn....I guess all hope is lost now!!