Another Break In

[MikeV]

Just drove by a house on Ensgrove in the Village of Charlotte. Two Sheriffs and a distraught homeowner by the driveway. I stop and say "Another Break In" and she nods yes. Sheriff asks me if I saw anything and I had not. Way to close to home this time. Front door kicked in behind a screened entry way. We must be more diligent watching our for each others property.

[kittygilchrist]

Front door kick in deja vu.
Explosive sound. Door frame collapsing inside house.
Who is taking your house?

[kittygilchrist]

Just drove by a house on Ensgrove in the Village of Charlotte. Two Sheriffs and a distraught homeowner by the driveway. I stop and say "Another Break In" and she nods yes. Sheriff asks me if I saw anything and I had not. Way to close to home this time. Front door kicked in behind a screened entry way. We must be more diligent watching our for each others property.

Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.
I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.

[RickdeMasi]

Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.

I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.


As long as I won't have to wear a hood, I'm in.

[RedChariot]

So what can be done to stop this. Is there a way to stop them from being ABLE to kick our doors in?

[rubicon]

Many front doors have tiffany type glass inserts. Unless people intend to stand guard 24/7 in front of their homes it will be difficult to stop them. In fact in many of these break-in the people were home.

I do hope police officials are developing a profile to determine who the likely culprits would be by location geographical occupation, modus operandi. etc

I am beginning to believe local officials should focus on the cost-benefits of a special unit. Perhaps we also need to employ more hanging judges?

The two unspoken feeling that drive these break-in threads are vulnerability and upset at the invasion of my privacy

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Armed citizen patrol perhaps? Are these daytime break-ins or night time?

[Indydealmaker]

So what can be done to stop this. Is there a way to stop them from being ABLE to kick our doors in?

1. Solid metal doors in metal frame.
2. Pit Bull.
3. Obvious security cameras.
4. Outside alarm.
5. Never leave home with "early" trash out front.
6. Make sure newspapers do not accumulate on driveway.
7. Shoot just one burglar and the word will get around.

[Uberschaf]

You can't stop them.Nothing works.

[Down Sized]

You can't stop them.Nothing works.

:agree:

[vlm790]

I like number 7 from Indydealmaker

[Chatbrat]

In my opinion, I believe the new sections south of 466A- are too vulnerable. Their vulnerability is due to the close proximity of Fruitland Park & Wildwood. These towns are know for crime, drugs, poverty. Hungry people do desperate things. Also the newer sections appear to be gold mines to these people.

[Pointer]

The idea that the door can just be kicked in is quite unsettling. There must be a way to deal with this. Does a storm door offer any added protection?

How about a recording of the sound of a gun going off followed by a man yelling "Maw put that gun down, the last fella got his genitals shot off and you damn near went back to prison. Followed by a women's voice saying "Nope got an opportunity to have me some fun". Followed by "Ok but I'm not cleaning up the mess this time".

[TexaninVA]

You can't stop them.Nothing works.

Not true and too defeatest ... see Indy's post for some common sense ideas

[Cedwards38]

So what can be done to stop this. Is there a way to stop them from being ABLE to kick our doors in?

I'm still a believer that a security system, set regularly will deter a burglar. They don't want the hassle, so they go somewhere else. And if enough of us had them, then they don't want the hassle of The Villages.

[graciegirl]

Many front doors have tiffany type glass inserts. Unless people intend to stand guard 24/7 in front of their homes it will be difficult to stop them. In fact in many of these break-in the people were home.

I do hope police officials are developing a profile to determine who the likely culprits would be by location geographical occupation, modus operandi. etc

I am beginning to believe local officials should focus on the cost-benefits of a special unit. Perhaps we also need to employ more hanging judges?

The two unspoken feeling that drive these break-in threads are vulnerability and upset at the invasion of my privacy

Rubicon. I can only think of one that the people were home and it was months back in one of the Bridgeports and it was at night and it didn't wake the occupants.. All the others were done when people were away. either out to dinner or to a meeting or to church and in some cases they were out of state..

The combined law enforcement arrested a total of 17 men, the last quarter of '13 and the first two months of '14, and we had a space since March with no more breakins and I have to think it is the same guy this time, or guys for both of the recent break ins. There is a thread of reinforcing doors from the last bunch.

I personally do not think the bail is high enough and the punishment stiff enough, but that is my opinion, and then of course someone will say, that these poor unfortunates had a rough life and they were out of work and hungry..and that is why they had to burglarize people...........so there is no way we can all agree. I am from that generation that says it is wrong to steal. Period and AMEN.

Here is a link to a thread about the past burglaries from in Januarythis year..

Remember to call the sheriff's office with ANYTHING or ANYBODY that looks suspicious.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/burglaries-reported-99603/index2.html

[Tennisnut]

Rubicon. I can only think of one that the people were home and it was last fall in one of the Bridgeports and it was at night and it didn't wake the occupants.. All the others were done when people were away. either out to dinner or to a meeting or to church and in some cases they were out of state..

The combined law enforcement arrested a total of 17 men, the last quarter of '13 and the first two months of '14, and we had a space since March with no more breakins and I have to think it is the same guy this time, or guys.

I personally do not think the bail is high enough and the punishment stiff enough, but that is my opinion, and then of course someone will say, that these poor unfortunates had a rough life and they were out of work and hungry...so there is no way we can all agree.

I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

[AJ32162]

I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

I could be wrong, but I don't think burglary qualifies as a "social support program".:shrug:

[Bonanza]

The idea that the door can just be kicked in is quite unsettling. There must be a way to deal with this. Does a storm door offer any added protection?

How about a recording of the sound of a gun going off followed by a man yelling "Maw put that gun down, the last fella got his genitals shot off and you damn near went back to prison. Followed by a women's voice saying "Nope got an opportunity to have me some fun". Followed by "Ok but I'm not cleaning up the mess this time".

No, a storm door doesn't offer any more security.
A storm door is nothing more than a sturdier screen door with glass.

I wouldn't become obsessed with redoing and making the front door more secure.
They will only resort to your lanai or other window if they really mean business.

When they want to get in, they will!

[Bonanza]

I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

Oh, please!
This thread is NOT about those who have had a rough life.
It's the haves versus the have nots.
We are speaking about criminals!

[tippyclubb]

I do not look down on those out of work and down on their luck, and I don't think many people do. Most of us have had struggles in life we had to overcome so we do understand and can empathize. What we don't understand is people crossing the line and resorting to crime. I would think those who are breaking in houses never worked, or are too lazy too work and strung out on drugs. It is those people I have contempt for.

[Stdole]

I would not go so far as to say there is nothing that will stop them or help...

I can tell you with a 99% accuracy.. the bad guy (s) just have not hit the right house yet! I am telling you there are hundreds if not thousands of home owners that will eliminate this type of person without blinking an eye..

I do not know the thousands per se but I do know 30 to 40 of them!!
FELONS... You will know them for only a short time... Get the Point?

[sunnyatlast]

I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.

Nobody's against people who are down and out. This type of enabling crap is what's making people think they can make a lifestyle out of crime while the taxpayer pays for their keep.

[dbussone]

Just drove by a house on Ensgrove in the Village of Charlotte. Two Sheriffs and a distraught homeowner by the driveway. I stop and say "Another Break In" and she nods yes. Sheriff asks me if I saw anything and I had not. Way to close to home this time. Front door kicked in behind a screened entry way. We must be more diligent watching our for each others property.


This was happening in Sanibel a few months ago. Employees at Bonifay and drive by vendors. Minimize yard sales which give everyone a chance to scope out the neighborhood.

[dbussone]

I would think very few would condone breaking in and stealing for having a rough life and being out of work. However, one should not look down with contempt on someone who has had a rough life and were out of work and hungry and needs a social support program until they get back on their feet. I hope most would agree.


What does this have to do with the topic? If someone tried to break into my home they would face a situation they did not have in mind. I really wouldn't care about their prior life or current situation. I'd be protecting my wife who is disabled and my home.

Sorry but I have little sympathy for the thugs and parasites who use a crummy childhood (or other excuse) for their reason to cheat, steal, kill, or abuse others.

[dbussone]

You can't stop them.Nothing works.


I disagree.

[dbussone]

Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.

I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.


Way to go Kitty. I concur.

[Tennisnut]

Nobody's against people who are down and out. This type of enabling crap is what's making people think they can make a lifestyle out of crime while the taxpayer pays for their keep.

There is nothing enabling about being down and out and having a helping hand. What a cold hearted comment.Not everyone is abusing the system.

[Tennisnut]

What does this have to do with the topic? If someone tried to break into my home they would face a situation they did not have in mind. I really wouldn't care about their prior life or current situation. I'd be protecting my wife who is disabled and my home.

Sorry but I have little sympathy for the thugs and parasites who use a crummy childhood (or other excuse) for their reason to cheat, steal, kill, or abuse others.

This is in response to an earlier post which implied that breaking and entering would be OK by some people if the person was down and out. I stated it is not OK, however, there are programs for people who need an helping hand.

[FLSun]

There are special penalties for violations in drug free and gun free school zones. Let's get Florida to create laws that apply to crimes against people over 55. No posting bail and long prison terms. Air conditioning not required.

[MSGirl]

Do these criminals ever get caught? Most strict law enforcement is necessary!

[Bonanza]

Regretfully. I tell you that villagers prefer to pretend than to face truth. Unifying against wickedness is therefore not possible.
I would attend a secret meeting if there were one.

You are 100% correct, Kitty. Regretfully, there is rampant apathy here in TV. I guess many residents think and have the "it will never happen to me" syndrome.

One of my next door neighbors is a snowbird. They are here for the winter and come and go during the warmer months. They have never mentioned to us when they are leaving or when they will be coming back. They are very foolish because we neighbors could be their watchdogs.

One of these days an intruder will make a believer out of them!

[tippyclubb]

Do these criminals ever get caught? Most strict law enforcement is necessary!

Yes they do. A few months ago a lawn service guy saw someone breaking in a house and called the police. I believe the man who robbed and beat a lady in a parking lot was apprehended also. Unfortunately, I never heard what the outcome of sentencing was. Hope it was very long.

[Indydealmaker]

Do these criminals ever get caught? Most strict law enforcement is necessary!

The LEOs in this area have a very good track record with regard to solving this type of crime.

[Indydealmaker]

There is nothing enabling about being down and out and having a helping hand. What a cold hearted comment.Not everyone is abusing the system.

I believe that you are being unfairly judgemental here. The comment that you objected to clearly referenced that the criminals were taking advantage of the system by living off of the taxpayer while they were imprisoned.

You are right that not everyone getting social assistance is a deadbeat. However, you can see how it makes perfect sense to say that these types of crimes are committed by people definitely "working" the system.

[Penguin]

You can't stop them.Nothing works.

Can you say Second Amendment to the Constitution.

[Bonanza]

There is something that residents do, and I would like to believe it is done out of ignorance.

Most of the houses have residents' name on the little sign in the front of their house. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the fact of the matter is those who have their last name on the sign is really making it easy these thieves. They see your full name. They look you up in the phone book. They call your number. You aren't home. Ta-Da! Guess what?

The same is true of your phone number. The thieves pick a random phone number. Often the resident leaves their full name. Why? Just leave your phone number. Your friends know whom they're calling. Anyone else can leave a message, anyway. Same scenario. These bad guys have your name and phone number. They look you up in the phone book or get on the Internet and get your address from the tax rolls. Or -- they already have your name, address and phone number because they've looked you up in the phone book (yeah -- this is easier for them). Ta-Da! Guess what? Same thing as above.

TV residents have to smarten up. We all are a target. Don't put yourself in a position where you could be next.

[kittygilchrist]

1. Solid metal doors in metal frame.
2. Pit Bull.
3. Obvious security cameras.
4. Outside alarm.
5. Never leave home with "early" trash out front.
6. Make sure newspapers do not accumulate on driveway.
7. Shoot just one burglar and the word will get around.

I want to keep glass in the door so my dog can see who she is barking about and i can see who I Am shooting.

[kittygilchrist]

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[rubicon]

Bonanza comments concerning seasonal reasons heads up is a good one. We all have neighbors who travel and in our situation we assist by doing spot checks on their homes.

As to the concern for having your name posted out front it can be problematic. On the positive side it makes friendly people more friendly. On the negative side well Bonanza spoke to that issue. a saving grace for many of us is that with caller ID we are able to ignore such calls. So the would be felon may get a false positive and a surprise when he/she comes to prowl

[cmj1210]

There is something that residents do, and I would like to believe it is done out of ignorance.

Most of the houses have residents' name on the little sign in the front of their house. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the fact of the matter is those who have their last name on the sign is really making it easy these thieves. They see your full name. They look you up in the phone book. They call your number. You aren't home. Ta-Da! Guess what?

The same is true of your phone number. The thieves pick a random phone number. Often the resident leaves their full name. Why? Just leave your phone number. Your friends know whom they're calling. Anyone else can leave a message, anyway. Same scenario. These bad guys have your name and phone number. They look you up in the phone book or get on the Internet and get your address from the tax rolls. Or -- they already have your name, address and phone number because they've looked you up in the phone book (yeah -- this is easier for them). Ta-Da! Guess what? Same thing as above.

TV residents have to smarten up. We all are a target. Don't put yourself in a position where you could be next.


Good point. We now plan on replacing our sign with only our first names. We also looked at installing a "security" screen door. It would be hard for the perpetrators to kick in an all metal door. I think this will help as a great deterrent.

[graciegirl]

There is something that residents do, and I would like to believe it is done out of ignorance.

Most of the houses have residents' name on the little sign in the front of their house. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the fact of the matter is those who have their last name on the sign is really making it easy these thieves. They see your full name. They look you up in the phone book. They call your number. You aren't home. Ta-Da! Guess what?

The same is true of your phone number. The thieves pick a random phone number. Often the resident leaves their full name. Why? Just leave your phone number. Your friends know whom they're calling. Anyone else can leave a message, anyway. Same scenario. These bad guys have your name and phone number. They look you up in the phone book or get on the Internet and get your address from the tax rolls. Or -- they already have your name, address and phone number because they've looked you up in the phone book (yeah -- this is easier for them). Ta-Da! Guess what? Same thing as above.

TV residents have to smarten up. We all are a target. Don't put yourself in a position where you could be next.

Bonanza has a very good point. We have our first names on our sign only.

Please call the sheriff's office and have them send someone out to your home and tell you all of the ways that you can be safer. They offer this and encourage people to use their information. It is very helpful and there are many ways that are simple and very useful.

[lynxville]

Do you have neighborhood watch programs? I used to live in a development where residents patrolled in golf carts and looked for suspicious activity. Had block captains etc.

[asianthree]

If you use a land line transfer it to your cell when you are not home.

[Medtrans]

How many Community Watch patrols are there at any given time?

[graciegirl]

How many Community Watch patrols are there at any given time?

We have seen the Watch cars at least twice a day in our neighborhood, maybe more. They can approach and question and call the sheriff but maybe you should just call the sheriff. If you see something, say something.

We are mostly retired and moving around this town with cell phones with cameras....if you see someone walking between the houses or someone who doesn't look like a umm...retired person and out of place cruising by or doing something even a tad suspicicous, TAKE THEIR PICTURE and call the sheriffs non emergency line or... That is how the last two were caught. A bug spray guy called it in. He saw two guys in an old car and one was going behind someone's house. Bug sprayer is a young guy and was featured in the online news and some folks sent him a little cash for his efforts.

Most of these have occurred in broad daylight. These guys know WHEN the people leave. They either have been in the homes and have seen a calendar, or some other commonality. There were two that occurred in the same 24 hour span and both people had just left for Canada. Taxi driver? Someone who knows someone who tells someone???

[Medtrans]

Thanks for the tip to just have our first names on our outdoor sign. We are going to order ours next Thurs when we come for our visit.

[Walter123]

There is something that residents do, and I would like to believe it is done out of ignorance.

Most of the houses have residents' name on the little sign in the front of their house. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the fact of the matter is those who have their last name on the sign is really making it easy these thieves. They see your full name. They look you up in the phone book. They call your number. You aren't home. Ta-Da! Guess what?

The same is true of your phone number. The thieves pick a random phone number. Often the resident leaves their full name. Why? Just leave your phone number. Your friends know whom they're calling. Anyone else can leave a message, anyway. Same scenario. These bad guys have your name and phone number. They look you up in the phone book or get on the Internet and get your address from the tax rolls. Or -- they already have your name, address and phone number because they've looked you up in the phone book (yeah -- this is easier for them). Ta-Da! Guess what? Same thing as above.

TV residents have to smarten up. We all are a target. Don't put yourself in a position where you could be next.

Let's all switch signs with each other! That should confuse the bad guys. :police:

[asianthree]

Does anyone use the steal bar that goes against the door. We had one in Boston . Would that help?

[Miles42]

I could be wrong, but I don't think burglary qualifies as a "social support program".:shrug:

I agree.

[Bonny]

There are special penalties for violations in drug free and gun free school zones. Let's get Florida to create laws that apply to crimes against people over 55. No posting bail and long prison terms. Air conditioning not required.
Why create laws for people over 55 ? Everyone needs the protection and sense of security to know that the lowlife can't post bail and will go to prison.

[MSGirl]

I agree with GracieGirl regarding stiffer penalties for crimes committed. I lived in a bedroom community amongst one of the largest crime filled small cities, and the largest crime reported was for barking dogs. There was a robbery at the local McDonalds, and that criminal received the maximum penalty by law for his crime. The mayor wanted to send a message to criminals that she wouldn't tolerate criminal activity in her town. They got the message loud and clear.
On another note, we don't have key deadbolt locks on our doors, and the doors are not strong enough to keep criminals out- in my opinion. Change all the locks on doors to a more secure lock. Add security systems. Make it harder for the perpetrator. Neighborhood watch groups are good too.

[TexaninVA]

Oh, please!
This thread is NOT about those who have had a rough life.
It's the haves versus the have nots.
We are speaking about criminals!

Thank you for saying what I was thinking .... I will just add "give us a break" with the poor unfortunate stuff. This is about burglary and crime.

[njbchbum]

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One of my next door neighbors is a snowbird. They are here for the winter and come and go during the warmer months. They have never mentioned to us when they are leaving or when they will be coming back. They are very foolish because we neighbors could be their watchdogs.

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So glad I live where I do! We neighbors watch out for each other and the homes when anyone so much as leaves to do an errand! And no one had to be asked to do that! I love my neighbors!

[Irishmen]

Thanks for the tip to just have our first names on our outdoor sign. We are going to order ours next Thurs when we come for our visit.

This is a good theory however the hole is they could just look up your address on govt website and get even more info than a phonebook.

[rubicon]

I suppose most of you have seen that U-Tube video where the mind reader searches the mind of a number of individuals and to the letter he gets every bit of their private information and more than that accurately.

Then the surprise the mind reader actually went on their facebook and found all that information..People keep screaming about their privacy but yet go about giving information about themselves freely. People can get more from face book then the NSA does with meta data and people scream. Yet the NSA's meta data is protecting our national security

[Rickg]

If you allow people/contractors in your home you need to be vigilant of what is left out (visible). Don't Let them know you are on a regular schedule, or that you are seasonal. We don't have a land line. Be careful of the boxes you put out for the trash. These are just a few things. Yes, it's sad that we need to do this but it is a fact of life. We are easier targets than a 25 yr old. So we need to use common sense. Most of the people that break into your home are looking For a quick easy profitable target. The harder you make it the more likely they will pass on your home, unless they know it Will be very profitable.

[Bonanza]

Does anyone use the steal bar that goes against the door. We had one in Boston . Would that help?

I don't think it really matters.
If they can't break in the door, they certainly can break in a window or sliding door.
These bad guys have too many choices!

[Bonanza]

So glad I live where I do! We neighbors watch out for each other and the homes when anyone so much as leaves to do an errand! And no one had to be asked to do that! I love my neighbors!

What you are describing is the way it should be.
I have no idea what our next door neighbor's problem is,
but they are very private regarding their comings and goings.
None of the other neighbors here are like that, thankfully.
We do try to take care of and watch out for one another.

[Shimpy]

Hurricane code here is not as strict as Dade County codes in Miami. There, all outside doors must open out.......not in as my door is here. Opening out makes the inside push of the door not only supported by the latch, but by the entire frame. You won't kick in a door that opens out.

[NJblue]

Not sure how much of a threat having your name on your lamp post is. It is far easier to find out if someone is home by just ringing the door bell. If they come to the door, you ask them if they want their shrubs trimmed and then leave.

[MikeV]

Not sure how much of a threat having your name on your lamp post is. It is far easier to find out if someone is home by just ringing the door bell. If they come to the door, you ask them if they want their shrubs trimmed and then leave.

The house that was burglarized has a name sign with only the ladies first and last name on it. So knowing a single lady lives there may or may not have been a factor.

[Polar Bear]

Not sure how much of a threat having your name on your lamp post is...


Agree. With caller ID and other phone technology the way it is today, It would be a shaky assumption for criminals to equate a no-answer to nobody-home.

[Indydealmaker]

Hurricane code here is not as strict as Dade County codes in Miami. There, all outside doors must open out.......not in as my door is here. Opening out makes the inside push of the door not only supported by the latch, but by the entire frame. You won't kick in a door that opens out.

In Miami, that is probably not Hurricane code. It is probably criminal code!:1rotfl:

[fltbuff71]

Move to a truly gated community

[kittygilchrist]

Let's all switch signs with each other! That should confuse the bad guys. :police:

What does your name have to do with a decision to break in?

[kittygilchrist]

Nearly two dozen arrested in Sumter County drug sting | www.wftv.com (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/nearly-two-dozen-arrested-sumter-county-drug-sting/nfmKy/?__federated=1)
These are our neighbors....good for leos on this one...last april.

[Indydealmaker]

Move to a truly gated community

Bold, daytime burglaries are difficult to prevent even in gated communities. The Villages homes are hosts at any given time to hundreds, if not thousands of unvetted contractors and maintenance crews. Once inside those gated communities, these guys have unfettered access.

I suppose that small, residential villages with attended gates would be less likely to have this problem, but Villagers get all hot and bothered about the cost of flowers, let alone paying for private security and an army of guards at the gates.

[Bonny]

We also have 100,000. Don't think that there aren't a few unsavory people that live here.

[Bonanza]

Not sure how much of a threat having your name on your lamp post is. It is far easier to find out if someone is home by just ringing the door bell. If they come to the door, you ask them if they want their shrubs trimmed and then leave.

What you're saying is true, however,
I don't think they really want to be seen and have their face remembered.

[Bonanza]

Move to a truly gated community

There are more burglaries in gated communities than non-gated.
Most of them are during the day.
The thinking is there is better "stuff" in gated communities
because the people have more $$$.

[NJblue]

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[graciegirl]

The guys arrested so far didn't look like the contractors that we see around the villages. They looked like non workers to me.

[patfla06]

Our first sign had our first and last name.
Our Second sign has just our first names.

We also put in an alarm system.
Have always had one even in Tampa where
we lived in a gated and guarded community.

[tomwed]

http://tphsupply.com/images/658-1001.jpg

If you installed this door stop on the inside of your exterior door do you think it would be possible to force the door open?
Of course there are other ways to enter a house.

[Indydealmaker]

http://tphsupply.com/images/658-1001.jpg

If you installed this door stop on the inside of your exterior door do you think it would be possible to force the door open?
Of course there are other ways to enter a house.

My guess is that this would stop the first push, but repeated pushes are likely to shear off the screws in a metal door or strip them out of a wooden door. This door stop is designed to keep a normally closed door in the open position.

I use a metal pole with a rubber foot that wedges up under the door handle. This is simply a deterrent.

[graciegirl]

Well at least they were caught. Any information as to where they were from?

I am speaking of the break ins and burglaries before the most recent two.

If you want to know who they were go to the online news and they have mugshots and names of everyone arrested in this area. Look under crime in the toolbar.

[beachman46]

I agree Kitty. All it takes is one burglar to get shot and the word will get out.

[Indydealmaker]

I am speaking of the break ins and burglaries before the most recent two.

If you want to know who they were go to the online news and they have mugshots and names of everyone arrested in this area. Look under crime in the toolbar.

There was an unsubstantiated rumor that they were agents hired by Stonecrest to disrupt our peace and tranquility and drive home sales to The Villages competitors.:1rotfl:

[dave from deland]

You do understand that you have to prove the justification of the shooting right? You will be taken to jail, if you don't kill the person they can sue you, then you have to prove to a court that the discharge of your firearm was justified and necessary. The stand your ground law is an after fact, it doesn't just allow you to expend rounds at an intruder unless you feel your life is in imminent danger. And you have to prove that in court.

And god forbid you've had a few drinks at some point, you test over the limit, they are going to charge you with a felony and that will also be brought up in your manslaughter case.

I worked for a class III FFL for years, the laws in florida are different then Missouri but the court system is the same.

What happens if you miss? that round is still going to have sufficient velocity to severely injure or kill one of your neighbors.

What happens if you hit but its a through and through? The same thing can still happen.

I am also a combat veteran, and have worked in the security industry for years.

A home defense weapon is a shotgun or a 9mm with personal protection rounds. anything else (your .357 magnum, high powered rifle etc), anything with more power then that endangers your neighbors as much as the intruder.

I have plenty of guns, but i still have a security system, i would rather the intruder see the sign, or be scared by the siren, then have to put a round in them, ANY DAY. I too have guns and a security system along with a safe. Since there are so many wood frame homes in TV I suggest a shotgun with birdshot to avoid overpenetration. I watched a demonstration on a shooting show and birdshot is deadly at close range without overpenetration. Even 00 buckshot can overpenetrate if it doesn't hit a wood frame.