The Navy Seals were great. Is it true that there was to have been a $20 fee?

[Talk Host]

We really enjoyed the Navy Seals demonstration at the Polo field. It was kind of dragged out though. It started at 1 p.m., but the air show didn't start until 3;15. Otherwise the seals were great.

While I was there, somebody told me that originally there was suppose to be a $20 admission fee to the event, but that after a while, it was removed and was opened to the publc. Anybody know about that? Seems kind of odd that there would have been a fee to attend an event that had vendors and a government underwritten show. :dontknow:

[dadspet]

I thought it was $10/person at first ?

[Bucco]

It was free, right ?????? Not sure how to discuss something that didnt happen ! :)

[Talk Host]

It was free, right ?????? Not sure how to discuss something that didnt happen ! :)



It's easy. Why was there a fee in the first place and what when into the decision to make it free. It is an interesting discussion. For all rose colored topics, the Daily Sun is available each morning.

[Bucco]

Dont want to beat this to death, but as I understand what you posted.....

NOBODY paid anything to get in

It was never announced as a charge

You "heard from someone" that there was "supposed" to be a charge

I am not sure what your comment about "rose colored glasses" alluded to,but sure hope this forum is not intended to foster rumors and CREATE discussion on negatives that never ever occur !

[Talk Host]

It was never announced as a charge



I guess I am misunderstanding your posts. Are you saying that the information I received was incorrect. There were never ads in the paper saying that there was an admission charge? If that is what you are saying and your information is accurate, I apologize. If on the other hand, you are saying that I should not discuss that there was a charge and it was dropped, then, that's a different story. In your next post, please be specific. Say something like, "I know for a fact that there was never any consideration given to a fee for admission to the Navy Seals show."

In so far as what this forum is about, it is about what the members make it. It is a forum that is here to discuss issues and generate a lively discussion in the purest sense of freedom of speech. We are not an organ of the developer. The newspaper is. Part of our job is to discuss rumor and create discussion to find out what is true and what isn't.

We are all aware that there are lots of people here who have given up their social responsibilities. It's a great place to live and it will be even better as more and more residents who live here learn that they still have a voice regardless of their age.

[Bucco]

Ok...toclarify...I have no idea whether what you were told is true or not....and I suppose neither do you...I am sure you trust whomever told you this, but he/she probably heard it from someone else. If that is correct,this is simply a rumor.
Secondly,there was never a charge......no advertisement that there would be a charge,thus I dont understand the issue in posting it.

I am sure all of us have been in positions running different events, and I, for one, would find it unfair to have any proposals made public THAT NEVER HAPPENED...EVER. Whatever you were told second or third hand or whatever is out of context for one thing.

I agree the forum can be used to discuss any and all, but I read your post as a negative in asking why there would be a charge based on second hand info and knowing there was never a charge ever ! I just had a problem with what possible motivation there would be.

Ok WILL slink off into thenight now :)

[Talk Host]

goodnight

[chuckster]

Agree with Bucco about the "he said that she said" statements. Tell me the exact page and article of the "supposed" fees before slamming the local media about inaccuracies. When I see the article I will retract this statement. Until then you are perpetuating unsubstantiated rumors. :)

[Talk Host]

Agree with Bucco about the "he said that she said" statements. Tell me the exact page and article of the "supposed" fees before slamming the local media about inaccuracies. When I see the article I will retract this statement. Until then you are perpetuating unsubstantiated rumors. :)


Please re-read my post.

[Talk Host]

Please re-read my post. One cannot find the true if one remains silent.

[chuckster]

Agree, you were asking for input from readers as to the supposed fee question mentioned to you at the event. :agree:

[Halle]

I agree with Bucco I don't know what point you are trying to make, but you sure are negative and defensive.

[Talk Host]

I agree with Bucco I don't know what point you are trying to make, but you sure are negative and defensive.


Nice try, but it's not going to work.

[Sidney Lanier]

I'm not quite following this. I myself never heard anything about even a remote possibility of there being a charge for this show. Who is the 'somebody' who said there was originally supposed to have been a charge? 'Somebody' is pretty vague. Is this 'somebody' who was in a position to know? If so, then surely 'somebody' can document the charge in terms of an advertisement, press release, some media story? If 'somebody' can do this, then perhaps this person can come forward with this documentation as well as find the explanation for why/how the charge was eliminated. I just find the whole thread baffling. Am I the only one?

[Talk Host]

The person who said this to me was one of the organizers of the event. She said it to me on the day of the event.....at the event. I knew nothing about it. I had no way to confirm or deny it. She said, "I know you can find out the information on Talk of The Villages." I certainly was not going to look this lady in the face and say, "YOU........are a liar." She could have just as easily asked a reporter from the newspaper, but she knew there was no chance to get an answer there.

So, I asked the question here and I get a pie in the face. It was not negative or defensive, it was just a question. We have a pretty good idea why a couple of members are so touchy about sensitive topics here.

Contrary to what a couple of people here would suggest, asking such questions is exactly what forums like this are for. This one, in particular, is not here to sell houses in the Villages.

As members, you all have the freedom to exercise your rights to ask questions about things the would or could affect your life here, or just be plain interesting, without fear of ridicule from anybody.

[rjrex]

I saw the Navy Seal ad in the Daily Sun. Buy your tickets at the box office for $20.
I thought it was strange, but when it change to "free" I was also curious about what happend.

[jadebox]

The fee was $15 -- on sale at the box office. Just before we went to buy ours the newspaper said it was free. I read in the paper and heard on the radio that anyone who had already paid could go to the box offica and get their money back.
Big deal!!!

[Midge538]

And , there was also an evening $1000.00 a plate dinner with Jeb Bush for 'the Developers' insiders. (This is a fact not a rumor.)

[Russ_Boston]

The easiest way to provide proof of anything is links. If it was written somewhere it probably has a link. Or someone who received the paper with the ad could copy it and save it as an image and then put it on Photobucket or the like and we could all see it.

Not rocket science people!

In the meantime Jan's question could be a good one - Why would there have been a charge in the first place and what caused it to be free - Poor sales maybe?

PS - I found this link after my original post, it says the event is free. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lcnotes2108mar21,0,7022854.story

Another link posted on the 19th says free also: http://www.geezerjock.com/blog/view/id_67/

[Taltarzac]

This is a rumor from someone who got a refund on these tickets. They were going to go if they charged for it as she thought it would be less crowded than if it were free. She said that the Navy wanted this event to be free.

Again, this is someone I heard someone say about her plans for that Saturday. Have no idea if this is true or not.

[dadspet]

Lee Greenwood was great, Seals were great. (Never have jumped from a plane but it looks like fun -not sure my knees would make it ) It was a Good time - Thanks V illages for hosting it - as usual ; what a wonderful place to live with so much variety of things to do. Our biggest problem is needing more time to do all the things available to us.

[Bucco]

"We have a pretty good idea why a couple of members are so touchy about sensitive topics here."

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I dont know if the above quote was aimed at me or not...if it was, it was way out of line and totally misdirected. I simply asked a question about discussing something that had to be out of context unless you were totally privy to ALL discussions and aware of ALL sides input into the event,

Seems I offered my opinion, with no ax to grind and it would appear that I am certainly not the sensitive one.

I havent posted much, and surely will not at all anymore.

For the record as there were implications in the post...I have lived in The Villages since 2001...am not employed by The Villages...have no vested interest in The Villages. I was just a jerk offering my opinion. Thus whatever "idea" you have about folks,it does not apply to me !

[Ooper]

I don't know if it was misprinted but approximately 2 weeks prior to the event, there absolutely was an ad in The Daily Sun posting the cost of the tickets. I remember talking to my wife about the fee saying I would have liked to go but wasn't willing to pay the price. The following week, it was posted as free.

[bargee]

Back in 1996 we ran a Coast Guard concert in conjunction with our towns tricentennial celebration.We were going to charge a small fee to offset the cost of the fireworks to be run after the concert.When this hit the papers we were contacted by Coast Guard public relations and told if there was a charge for attendence they would back out of the performance.Their reason was that the taxpayers paid to support the band and they could not be charged to attend the concert.I suspect that this was the case here.And yes at first the tickets were priced at 20.00.

[jadebox]

Advance tickets for “A Salute to the U.S. Navy’s SEALs” are available for $15 per person at The Villages box offices. Tickets at the gate will be $20 per person.

[SteveFromNY]

Wow, what a strange thread. :o

But it does sound like the show was decent!

[Sidney Lanier]

Well, it sounds like some TOTVers are able to DOCUMENT (not SPECULATE) that there was originally supposed to be a charge for this show (which as I said earlier I had not heard) and then it was changed to free. So? I'm still wondering if I'm missing something....

[tony]

Sounds like the ball's in Bucco's court. ::)

[Muncle]

Well, it sounds like some TOTVers are able to DOCUMENT (not SPECULATE) that there was originally supposed to be a charge for this show (which as I said earlier I had not heard) and then it was changed to free. So? I'm still wondering if I'm missing something....

No, to the contrary, no one has been able to DOCUMENT the charge for the event. The only actual documentation shown was by Russ saying it was free and it was fairly late in the process, i.e., a week or so before the show. All claims of a charge are speculation, people remembering ads or stories but unable to produce them. I believe that each side is convinced its memory of the events is accurate. I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't care one way or the other. Unlike the inanely specious political twaddle spouted by our resident liberals, this argument is pretty harmless. In some cases, it's providing an outlet for those with unnatural hatred of the developer (***** envy?) and/or disdain for the Daily Sun.

Keep it comin'.

[bobfl]

Who cares? It was free, It was good and its over!

[samhass]

I don't know if it was misprinted but approximately 2 weeks prior to the event, there absolutely was an ad in The Daily Sun posting the cost of the tickets. I remember talking to my wife about the fee saying I would have liked to go but wasn't willing to pay the price. The following week, it was posted as free.



I saw the same ad and was surprised that it was not free.

[chelsea24]

:a20: OMG and I thought the political forum was crazy! But here's the best joke of all --
$1000 a plate for Jeb Bush! What was being served? Crow being eaten by the entire Bush family! 1rnfl

[Village Kid 2]

I think it was listed on the menu for paying supporters as caviar, but we all know it was really crow. evil6

This thread is like a Seinfeld show. ::)

[Muncle]

:a20: OMG and I thought the political forum was crazy! But here's the best joke of all --
$1000 a plate for Jeb Bush! What was being served? Crow being eaten by the entire Bush family! 1rnfl


I know facts are cumbersome, but the $1000 a plate dinner that Jeb Bush attended at Lake Miona was a benefit for The Naval Special Warfare Foundation. FYI:

Mission

To provide educational and motivational support, promote health and welfare programs for the Naval Special Warfare Community, and perpetuate the history and heritage of the U.S. Naval Commandos.

Taxpayer ID#: 31-1728910

The Naval Special Warfare Foundation was incorporated in 2000 as a National Non-Profit Charitable Corporation. It was established to honor all, who have served in the sea commando services and perpetuates their heritage, values, and traditions.

What the Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Foundation provides under the three pillars of the mission.

Education and Motivation

Multiple scholarship programs which have awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars

Provide computers to the children of NSW warriors killed in combat or training

Yearly donations to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation for college education of children whose Special Operations Forces fathers were killed in combat or training

Provide all active and reserve SPECWAR commands the CARE Book and the Scholarship Resource Network (SRN) software

SEAL and Special Warfare Combatant Crewmen (SWCC) Navy Sea Cadet Corp (NSCC) orientation courses

Provide tuition assistance to active duty Naval Special Warfare personnel to defray the cost of books and supplies

Health and Welfare

Supporting families of SEALs killed in the War on Terror covering lodging expenses, airfare, memorial receptions, etc.

Financial planning offered to widows of SEALs and SWCC whose husbands were killed in combat or training

Assist active duty commands with expenses connected with the death of a NSW operator that is not combat/training related

Sponsor active duty family events: Children’s Christmas parties; NSW Campout (formerly SEAL Pups); Easter egg roll; NSW Kid’s Sports Day, etc.

Over $200,000 in Life Fitness Treadmills given to wives of SEALs

Supporting SBT-22 and NAVSCIATT Hurricane Katrina victims

SEAL Wives Against Terrorism (S.W.A.T.) tour, 2003 and 2005

Matt Bourgeois Leadership Award for NSCC

Sponsorship of NSCC Trident Team
Holiday help for needy family

Support NSW families who lost homes in the San Diego fires

History and Heritage

Mural at SEAL Team 10 honoring those SEALs lost in Afghanistan June 2005
Co-publish a quarterly magazine, “The BLAST , Journal of Naval Special Warfare”

NSW Plaque at the Navy Memorial in Washington, DC

Monuments honoring Naval Commandos at Veterans Memorial Parks

Original Art Program – “Rock Portage” and “Hunting Al Qaeda”

Memorial Garden in SEAL Park

Bricks laid at the Tidewater Veteran’s Memorial for the SEALs killed since 9-11
SEAL display at San Diego Veterans Museum and Memorial Center
Donation to the Special Operations Memorial in Tampa, Florida

And no, they probably didn't serve crow.

[redwitch]

I was trying to figure out what a Jeb Bush dinner has to do with a great Navy Seals program. Nice to know the dinner was for a foundation supporting the Seals. Thank you for clearing that up, Muncle.

As to the rest of this thread, isn't it time to lay it to rest? As was said, it was a great show, it cost nothing and a good time was had by those who attended.

(Why the issue of the original charge was brought up is beyond me, but whatever.)

[chelsea24]

And , there was also an evening $1000.00 a plate dinner with Jeb Bush for 'the Developers' insiders. (This is a fact not a rumor.)
FYI MUNCLE: I was responding to this one little posting. But, of course, YOU had to make it seem un-american. How Republican of you. ;D

[The Great Fumar]

Many people on here are more impressed with their own vocabulary's and are contributing nothing........Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how to get my
$20.00 back.....
ps doesn't Greenwood know any other songs ? How about God Bless America.........

[chuckinca]

I looked up specious and still don't know what it means

[KathieI]

Chuck, I looked it up too:

Main Entry: specious
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: misleading
Synonyms: apparent, apparently right, beguiling, captious, casuistic, colorable, credible, deceptive, delusive, empty, erroneous, fallacious, false, flattering, hollow, idle, illogical, inaccurate, incorrect, likely, nugatory, ostensible, ostentatious, plausible, pompous, presumable, presumptive, pretentious, probable, seeming, sophistic, sophistical, sophisticated, spurious, unsound, untrue, vain, wrong

But, I would like Muncle to explain this comment: "In some cases, it's providing an outlet for those with unnatural hatred of the developer (***** envy?) and/or disdain for the Daily Sun."

This, then, would make this thread worthwhile after all this hullabaloo!!

P.S. Fumar, I'll give you your $20 bucks if you come to the TOTV lunch April 18, 3pm.

[Muncle]

Chuck, I looked it up too:

Main Entry: specious
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: misleading
Synonyms: apparent, apparently right, beguiling, captious, casuistic, colorable, credible, deceptive, delusive, empty, erroneous, fallacious, false, flattering, hollow, idle, illogical, inaccurate, incorrect, likely, nugatory, ostensible, ostentatious, plausible, pompous, presumable, presumptive, pretentious, probable, seeming, sophistic, sophistical, sophisticated, spurious, unsound, untrue, vain, wrong

But, I would like Muncle to explain this comment: "In some cases, it's providing an outlet for those with unnatural hatred of the developer (***** envy?) and/or disdain for the Daily Sun."

This, then, would make this thread worthwhile after all this hullabaloo!!

P.S. Fumar, I'll give you your $20 bucks if you come to the TOTV lunch April 18, 3pm.

Okay, Kathie, you asked for it. But first a little explanation of "specious twaddle." Contrary to what fumar might think, that phrase was not just a part of my vocabulary. Several years back while working on a project, someone opposed to our program issued a paper full of factual errors, innuendos, and political blockades seriously damaging us in the eyes of the brass. The boss's boss demanded a briefing refuting the claims of the paper. Our boss wanted a way to refer to the paper's content without giving it any respect but not belittling it. After wordsmithing for hours, we (the staff) all agreed that specious twaddle was the best description. The boss didn't use it, but the phrase has stayed with me.

Now for the other. I assume you are asking about the phrase in the (). I've noticed it not uncommon when a person of substantial income lives around those of significantly higher income he/she develops some resentment of those people. They might be very proud of being in the same club as various CEOs of major corporations but on the other hand, they resent their salaries, tax breaks, etc. Talking to one old friend in that situation, he just reminded me of the old psych text book description of ***** envy. Since then, I've noticed so many people who seem to resent others simply because they've done better, maybe had more breaks but bottom line is, they're wealthier. Reminds me of ***** envy. I believe an awful lot of people feel that way about the "Developer" and attribute all sorts of evil motives to everything he does with little or no evidence.

[Russ_Boston]

Muncle - I want to party with you - nice work.

Now you know why I've never been to the political forum. Liberals, Republicans, Independents - it doesn't matter! It's all about the coin and the rest is just specious discussion.

If it took Jeb Bush's presence to raise $1000 a head for a good cause then that's what it took. If you don't think former Democratic leaders pull in some good cash for their appearances then you are sadly mistaken. They ALL do it if they have enough cache.

And every regular on this board knows exactly what Muncle meant about some members of this forum's disdain for the Sun and the developer. That doesn't mean that they don't have the right to make those arguments but let's not be naive about some motives.

Hope you guys don't argue like this on the pickleball courts - that would get brutal!

[Talk Host]

I have never seen a topic go so far off track as this one.

BTW, I think it takes a great deal of gall to tell some of our posters that they are not being truthful about having seen, or even paid for tickets to this event. It sounds kinda like high school. "Ya, well.....ah.......I don't care if you do have facts......ah .....you can't prove it.....and ah............you're a liar, and ah......your mother wears Army boots.....nya, nya nya."

[BOMBERO]

Nice one Talk Host....Keep stirring. Keep the numbers up.
Chuckle

[Talk Host]

Nice one Talk Host....Keep stirring. Keep the numbers up.
Chuckle


I reserve the right to post my thoughts just like everybody else. The numbers notwithstanding.

I suppose if you ran a forum you would enjoy low numbers ;D

[784caroline]

In my opinion, I believe the original question poised by the TALK HOST is valid. For me I also saw the AD for Advance tickets for $15 and $20 at the gate and "no" I cannot document it for keep enough of junk in my house. But the question as to why there originally was a charge then without explaination, no charge is valid. Maybe it was simply an oversight or error on the part of the Recreation staff who placed the ad and they "quietly" made a correction.
The show was free and GREAT to see under a beautiful blue sky but if anyone can answer the basic question as to why the change, I for one, would be interested.

[graciegirl]

So far this thread was delicious. Had all of my specialties; brilliant discussion, even though the topic was...a little, minimal, big words, I LOVE big words, politics and even touched on my favorite author Freud. I am not sure who won, who ate crow or caviar, but the whole danged thing proved that we are not too old to argue, and that we all have a few brain cells left. .... I think.

Gracie Girl

[Boomer]

So far this thread was delicious. Had all of my specialties; brilliant discussion, even though the topic was...a little, minimal, big words, I LOVE big words, politics and even touched on my favorite author Freud. I am not sure who won, who ate crow or caviar, but the whole danged thing proved that we are not too old to argue, and that we all have a few brain cells left. .... I think.

Gracie Girl


I know what you mean. And I have to add that I love this whole site. I came for the information. And I stayed for the rest.

There are times when it's like having a theater seat. But when I first took my seat in this theater, I had absolutely no intention of getting up on stage. But then that dreary Ohio winter, that we both know well, set in. So you just never know what a little cabin fever can cause.

I also love it that we can help each other with such truly good and useful information, not only about TV, but about other things. I got great answers here to my questions about Social Security and about what these things called wii are all about and so many other things, too. And I try to return the favor by giving information if I think I can help someone else. But sometimes I just come out to play.

So here we all are with informative threads and threads that make us laugh and threads that make us think and threads that might :edit: us off a little and threads that bring on the nostalgia and threads that are spitting fire and threads that are freezing. But it's all OK.

The only real problem I am having with this whole thing is that I just looked up from the computer and I think Mr. Boomer and I may be headed toward living in that thing called "abject squalor" so I need to get a grip on a little spring cleaning and yard work. Then I will invite people who I can actually see to come over and visit.

This thread we are in right now was described by someone in it as a Seinfeld episode. This thread is truly a classic.

But I gotta get outa here -- for awhile.

But before I do, I have to say something else, on a serious note.

I never considered being on a board because I always thought that any board would have an underbelly that I would not want to deal with or see. The internet is the world and all that entails. But here we are, moving along nicely and even though there may be arguments, fine ones indeed, we are OK.

I have a feeling that from time to time, the administrators must have to do a little battle with the internet underbelly that we all know exists. But the underbelly does not get past the gate. And for that I am grateful.

Now, I really am going to go get something done here in my real world.

Boomer