Anti-Islamic adds coming to NYC transit system

[Villages PL]

Anti-Islamic adds will appear on 100 NYC buses and 2 subway entrances. This will happen in less than a week.

This is bold. There will be pictures of James Foley before he was beheaded, as he stood next to his executioner.

I think this should be big news but was only reported as a News Brief on the bottom of a back page in the Daily sun.

Has anyone heard any talk about it in the news?

My opinion of it? I think it's much needed to wake people up about the threat we face from terrorism.

What do you think?

[redwitch]

If the beheadings themselves, the rhetoric shouted, the annihilation of other Muslim tribes isn't enough to scare people, I sincerely doubt that any ad will make a bit of difference.

[Patty55]

Anti-Islamic adds will appear on 100 NYC buses and 2 subway entrances. This will happen in less than a week.

This is bold. There will be pictures of James Foley before he was beheaded, as he stood next to his executioner.

I think this should be big news but was only reported as a News Brief on the bottom of a back page in the Daily sun.

Has anyone heard any talk about it in the news?

My opinion of it? I think it's much needed to wake people up about the threat we face from terrorism.

What do you think?

I think NYC already had their wake up call on 9/11/2001.

[BobnBev]

I think NYC already had their wake up call on 9/11/2001.

But they've gone back to sleep, if you catch my drift.:cus:

[Villages PL]

Perhaps I should include the following: The ad campaign will supposedly tell the truth about Islam and Jihad that the mainstream media is ignoring.

[Patty55]

Perhaps I should include the following: The ad campaign supposedly tells the truth about Islam and Jihad that the mainstream media is ignoring.

Two subway entrances isn't a lot but who is paying for this?

[Tennisnut]

Sometimes I feel some of those anti-Islamic ads are being run on TOTV. To generalize a whole religion, race or culture is to stigmatize or be inflammatory. Of course, America has a history of that whether its the Irish, Pollocks, WOPs , chinks, Japs, blacks or Jews.

[Villages PL]

Two subway entrances isn't a lot but who is paying for this?

Would that make a difference?

It's not just two subway entrances, it's 100 busses.

[Patty55]

Would that make a difference?

It's not just two subway entrances, it's 100 busses.

Yes, to me it does make a difference who is paying for it. It's not like are blanketing the city with coverage.

[Villages PL]

Sometimes I feel some of those anti-Islamic ads are being run on TOTV. To generalize a whole religion, race or culture is to stigmatize or be inflammatory. Of course, America has a history of that whether its the Irish, Pollocks, WOPs , chinks, Japs, blacks or Jews.

From what I understand, they are not going to generalize, they are going to be specific. This is going to be about terrorists who claim to be doing what they do in the name of religion.

[bkcunningham1]

The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller. She started doing it in response to anti-Isreal ads paid for by American Muslims for Palestine, run by Dr. Hatem Bazian, a University of California-Berkeley professor.

[Villages PL]

Yes, to me it does make a difference who is paying for it. It's not like are blanketing the city with coverage.

Then you will say it's political - thread closed! Can't we just discuss it on it's merits?

[Villages PL]

The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller. She started doing it in response to anti-Isreal ads paid for by American Muslims for Palestine, run by Dr. Hatem Bazian, a University of California-Berkeley professor.

Thanks, I knew who it was but I didn't know why she started it.

[elbear]

Sometimes I feel some of those anti-Islamic ads are being run on TOTV. To generalize a whole religion, race or culture is to stigmatize or be inflammatory. Of course, America has a history of that whether its the Irish, Pollocks, WOPs , chinks, Japs, blacks or Jews.

I don't think this at all. I believe the vast majority of people on TOTV have nothing against Muslims except in the case where extremists threaten their country's and their people's safety. I think most are curious about the Muslim way of life and thinking. I believe most think extremists of any religion are people who cause division not the coming together in peace and hArmony. I think if a regular non violent Muslim lived next door they could easily be a good friend just like anyone else.

[Tennisnut]

I don't think this at all. I believe the vast majority of people on TOTV have nothing against Muslims except in the case where extremists threaten their country's and their people's safety. I think most are curious about the Muslim way of life and thinking. I believe most think extremists of any religion are people who cause division not the coming together in peace and hArmony. I think if a regular non violent Muslim lived next door they could easily be a good friend just like anyone else.

I would hope so, but some are very afraid.

[graciegirl]

I don't think this at all. I believe the vast majority of people on TOTV have nothing against Muslims except in the case where extremists threaten their country's and their people's safety. I think most are curious about the Muslim way of life and thinking. I believe most think extremists of any religion are people who cause division not the coming together in peace and hArmony. I think if a regular non violent Muslim lived next door they could easily be a good friend just like anyone else.


I very much agree.

I think that several people are using red herring arguments.

We do need to be very afraid at this time of extreme Islamic groups.

[Patty55]

The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller. She started doing it in response to anti-Isreal ads paid for by American Muslims for Palestine, run by Dr. Hatem Bazian, a University of California-Berkeley professor.

Thank you, IMO this adds credence to the thing. Glad to see it's based on principle and not some group of chit stirrers.

[graciegirl]

The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller. She started doing it in response to anti-Isreal ads paid for by American Muslims for Palestine, run by Dr. Hatem Bazian, a University of California-Berkeley professor.


Boy Howdy.

[Patty55]

Then you will say it's political - thread closed! Can't we just discuss it on it's merits?

I have never said any topic was political or gone whining to get a thread closed.

Yes, let's discuss the merits, what are they? What if anything does this accomplish?

[bkcunningham1]

Boy Howdy.

I have a feeling it is pronounced differently than it looks. Silly girl.

[blueash]

Just look at the title of this thread. It is not an accident, perhaps a Freudian slip. Anti-Islamic Not anti-ISIS or anti-al Queda, rather anti-Islamic. Ms. Geller is well known for her non-dispassionate views. She and others would like all the hundreds of millions of followers of Islam to be seen by Americans as our enemies.

[rubicon]

Given the problems Europe is having with their great migration of Muslims and in particular Belgium where they are a majority and demanding Sharia Law. and given the destruction occurring in the Middle East and then given the problems states such as Minnesota are having with Muslims we need a national dialogue on this issue, a dialogue not a witch hunt.

One poster referenced Europeans immigrants coming to America using ethnic slurs which are totally unacceptable and so clearly we have to define what the term Muslim means in connection with our immigration policies. So I agree with the bus campaign and believe it ought to be extended to the start of a national campaign to contain the radical Muslim who would come here under the cover of the First Amendment. In every corner of our nation political correctness has harnessed our ability to have a realistic conversation, perhaps paralysis us is not such a strong term.

Citing, being civil, is one manner in which one may utilize to restrict free speech. Claims of race bigotry,etc can be used to one's advantage as a way to stifle dialogue.

From a broad point of view we have allowed far too many people into this country legally or illegally who do not share America's values We bragged of the great melting pot but it seems it has now diminished to a great smoldering pot and we need to correct it.

My daughter lives in the NYC area and once told me that when the Twin Towers came down there was dancing in the streets in the Muslim communities not far from this tragedy.

As an example when I lived in Minneapolis there were a number of families from the Middle East. My neighbors across the street were Egyptians their family were all well educated doctors etc. They shared the American dream and understood the necessity to embrace their new culture In that same city we were confronted by radical Somali who intentionally provoked local authorities. Those activist made it clear they hated America.

So the bus campaign gets my vote and I hope it begins a national conversation before we end up like Europe....

[graciegirl]

Just look at the title of this thread. It is not an accident, perhaps a Freudian slip. Anti-Islamic Not anti-ISIS or anti-al Queda, rather anti-Islamic. Ms. Geller is well known for her non-dispassionate views. She and others would like all the hundreds of millions of followers of Islam to be seen by Americans as our enemies.

What exactly are you defending? When we were at war with the German State, Germans living here fell under suspicion. When we were at war with Japan, the same thing happened.

My German born grandfather had two American born sons who fought Hitler in Germany. He hated Hitler and was vocal about it. My uncle was witness to the atrocities against Jews and he never went to church again.

That is all I know. Shadows will be cast. That is how life is.

[DDoug]

I has come to the fact that ISIS claiming to be Muslim is causing all Muslims to be generalized into being terrorists. Sorry but wouldn't trust any of them. Just my opinion. They are trying to destroy what all of us has worked hard for. That to is a fact. Ask any one from Detroit see what they say.

[Sophie11]

Do the muslims live what is in their book? Has anyone heard one say that they do not believe their book? All one has to do is google quran infidels to see why it bothers me. This is not hate speech as it is the truth.

[Chi-Town]

Given the problems Europe is having with their great migration of Muslims and in particular Belgium where they are a majority and demanding Sharia Law.

You may want to check this statement regarding Belgium. 6% is pretty far from the majority.

http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/

[Villages PL]

I have never said any topic was political or gone whining to get a thread closed.

Yes, let's discuss the merits, what are they? What if anything does this accomplish?

It makes the public more aware. Even the governor of N.Y. is coming on board saying, "It has been 13 years and you can get lulled into a false sense of security." I'm quoting from today's Daily Sun column - "New York's never-ending battle against terror threats"

[Villages PL]

Just look at the title of this thread. It is not an accident, perhaps a Freudian slip. Anti-Islamic Not anti-ISIS or anti-al Queda, rather anti-Islamic. Ms. Geller is well known for her non-dispassionate views. She and others would like all the hundreds of millions of followers of Islam to be seen by Americans as our enemies.

The heading of the thread: Anti-Islamic ads coming to NYC transit system was copied from the article heading in the newspaper. Either the reporter or the editor could have come up with that heading. I'm just saying don't go by that alone because we don't know for sure who wrote it.

[TexaninVA]

I think NYC already had their wake up call on 9/11/2001.

Actually, NYC has gone back to sleep IMHO. Mayor D disbanded the Anti Muslim CT group. I imagine the next wakeup call will be a much larger explosion. Too bad we seem to always have to learn it the hard way.

[bimmertl]

Here's an article with a little background on Pamela Geller, who is responsible for the ads. Form your own opinion.


To Fight Pam Geller, Join Our Comedy Jihad at the MTA - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/23/to-fight-pam-geller-join-our-comedy-jihad-at-the-mta.html)

[graciegirl]

Here's an article with a little background on Pamela Geller, who is responsible for the ads. Form your own opinion.


To Fight Pam Geller, Join Our Comedy Jihad at the MTA - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/23/to-fight-pam-geller-join-our-comedy-jihad-at-the-mta.html)


I am really not interested in a radical anti Muslim person. I am interested in radical Muslims who plotted an "imminent attack" on the United States. Did you hear what President Obama said ?????

[nitehawk]

Just look at the title of this thread. It is not an accident, perhaps a Freudian slip. Anti-Islamic Not anti-ISIS or anti-al Queda, rather anti-Islamic. Ms. Geller is well known for her non-dispassionate views. She and others would like all the hundreds of millions of followers of Islam to be seen by Americans as our enemies.

:bigbow::bigbow:

[graciegirl]

I am really not interested in a radical anti Muslim person. I am interested in radical Muslims who plotted an "imminent attack" on the United States. Did you hear what President Obama said ?????


I will say this again. If you don't stand against wrong. It will overtake you.

[nitehawk]

You would think we would have learned --- I am not changing the subject but-- was Vietnam a threat to us - were we endanger of being attacked -NO --why did we go there -- we did not like communism ? -- thousands of North Vietnam people died for what they believed in and thousands of Americans died trying to do what ?? ---sometimes i think wars are started and ended for economic reasons -- economy - oil - there are millions of African dying -- oh sorry -- no oil -- no American companies with interests there- where are all of the brave reporters - reporting on the ebola virus- too dangerous ??? Sorry just venting

[zonerboy]

I have not seen these so called "Anti-Islamic" ads.
But I will say this: facts are neither anti- nor pro- anything. The truth is simply the truth. The picture of James Foley with his executioner is real. The be headings actually happened.
Draw your own conclusions.

[CFrance]

You would think we would have learned --- I am not changing the subject but-- was Vietnam a threat to us - were we endanger of being attacked -NO --why did we go there -- we did not like communism ? -- thousands of North Vietnam people died for what they believed in and thousands of Americans died trying to do what ?? ---sometimes i think wars are started and ended for economic reasons -- economy - oil - there are millions of African dying -- oh sorry -- no oil -- no American companies with interests there- where are all of the brave reporters - reporting on the ebola virus- too dangerous ??? Sorry just venting
For once I agree with you. Especially the wars/economics issue.

[graciegirl]

Watching the Roosevelt series brought insight that I had not had before about war and the national economy..

I don't have the stomach for war, but they did, and we are still here. What would have happened if Hitler would have continued unopposed?

I think that this country will fail because of a lack of gumption and because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, or pay the bills.

There is nothing wrong with paying the bills.

Wars are lost and won and fought because of things like oil. That is reality.

And staying in the black eonomically is something we must do to survive as a country.

Of course oil and energy is important. Let the pipeline come through and level the playing field.

[CFrance]

Watching the Roosevelt series brought insight that I had not had before about war and the national economy..

I don't have the stomach for war, but they did, and we are still here. What would have happened if Hitler would have continued unopposed?

I think that this country will fail because of a lack of gumption and because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, or pay the bills.

There is nothing wrong with paying the bills.

Wars are lost and won and fought because of things like oil. That is reality.

And staying in the black eonomically is something we must do to survive as a country.

Of course oil and energy is important. Let the pipeline come through and level the playing field.
For now. But what we should be doing is finding a viable alternative energy source and eliminate the playing field altogether.

[graciegirl]

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For now. But what we should be doing is finding a viable alternative energy source and eliminate the playing field altogether.

I agree. We need to have the hot dogs ready so we don't starve and work hard for the roast beef.

[CFrance]

I agree. We need to have the hot dogs ready so we don't starve and work hard for the roast beef.
Excellent metaphor, GG.

[Villages PL]

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For now. But what we should be doing is finding a viable alternative energy source and eliminate the playing field altogether.

Okay, good. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have yet to find anything that will substantially replace fossil fuels. And many of the alternatives that we have found have their own problems regarding the environment.

Solar energy has the least impact but is only good when the sun is shining. (Even in Florida it can be cloudy for several days at a time.) Electric cars have to be plugged in to get energy derived from fossil fuels. Wind energy kills birds and bats.

What happened to energy derived from ocean currents? They've been working on it for a long time but no word on that yet.

My point: Let's not punish the use of fossil fuels until we have something substantial to replace them with. We get affordable home-energy here in central Florida because of coal, oil and gas.

I'm not off topic, I'm just commenting on something that has already been said. :)

[CFrance]

Okay, good. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have yet to find anything that will substantially replace fossil fuels. And many of the alternatives that we have found have their own problems regarding the environment.

Solar energy has the least impact but is only good when the sun is shining. (Even in Florida it can be cloudy for several days at a time.) Electric cars have to be plugged in to get energy derived from fossil fuels. Wind energy kills birds and bats.

What happened to energy derived from ocean currents? They've been working on it for a long time but no word on that yet.

My point: Let's not punish the use of fossil fuels until we have something substantial to replace them with. We get affordable home-energy here in central Florida because of coal, oil and gas.

I'm not off topic, I'm just commenting on something that has already been said. :)
That's why I said viable alternative. And mainly I was talking about replacement for gasoline in our cars in response to Gracie's comment about the pipeline. We stop working seriously on that every time we find another source of oil. Again, viable. Not something that creates more problems than it solves.

[Chi-Town]

That's why I said viable alternative. And mainly I was talking about replacement for gasoline in our cars in response to Gracie's comment about the pipeline. We stop working seriously on that every time we find another source of oil. Again, viable. Not something that creates more problems than it solves.
Tesla is building a five billion dollar plant in Reno to mass produce batteries making electric cars affordable. Tesla has figured out how to make them fast and also go as far as a tank of gas on a charge. Panasonic has also bought into this.

[rubicon]

You may want to check this statement regarding Belgium. 6% is pretty far from the majority.

Muslim Population in Europe (http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/)

Hi Chi Town: I secured the information from a you tube video sent to me e-mail but apparently I deleted it and can't confirm or deny. So I defer to your stats. However regardless of the population stats Muslims were marching and demanding Sharia Law. My apology if I misdirected information it was not my intent

[Chi-Town]

Hi Chi Town: I secured the information from a you tube video sent to me e-mail but apparently I deleted it and can't confirm or deny. So I defer to your stats. However regardless of the population stats Muslims were marching and demanding Sharia Law. My apology if I misdirected information it was not my intent

If they want Sharia Law either work through the courts or go somewhere that has it. Sharia Law is so far from our fundamental beliefs and rights that those pushing it here are beyond assimilation into our society.

[graciegirl]

French tourist beheaded by Islamic extremists.

http://news.msn.com/world/algerian-extremists-behead-french-hostage

[Tennisnut]

I agree. We need to have the hot dogs ready so we don't starve and work hard for the roast beef.

Don't like hot dogs and the nitrates are bad for you!

[TexaninVA]

If they want Sharia Law either work through the courts or go somewhere that has it. Sharia Law is so far from our fundamental beliefs and rights that those pushing it here are beyond assimilation into our society.

I agree ... at some point this becomes ludicrous. If you move (legally or illegally) to the US, you abide by our laws and while you're at it, learn to speak English.

If you want Sharia law, keep your sorry b*** out of here. It's that simple.

[nitehawk]

I agree ... at some point this becomes ludicrous. If you move (legally or illegally) to the US, you abide by our laws and while you're at it, learn to speak English.

If you want Sharia law, keep your sorry b*** out of here. It's that simple.

And we should mind our own business.--

[TexaninVA]

And we should mind our own business.--

Just out of curiosity, how would you define "minding our own business" in the current context?