Disagreeable People

[2BNTV]

After reading this article on Derek Jeter, it made me wonder why certain knock other people, for no good reason.

After years of saying nothing, now Derek Jeter has something to say - and I couldn (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/bondy-derek-jeter-listening-article-1.1959535)

1. Do certain people disagree with other people point of view, just to be disagreeable?
2. Is it the way, someone was raised?
3. Is it our new, cultural statement?
4. Did we lose our sense of decency?

I can see a reporter needing to write an article as he/she is paid to do, but what makes a reporter cross the line of decency, in writing about a good person in a negative way.

I have also noticed this, on the forum as some people start a thread and disagree with another's point of view. Why does someone posed a scenario, only to disagree with another's point of view. What is the purpose? What happened to people lending support and comfort, to those who need help.
Maybe the political forum allowed people to vent their frustrations, with another's point of view. I really don't know, as I never went there.

I remember when this forum had many people on, who only wanted to help people and joke around. They got to know each other, and became friends. Somehow, that is getting lost along the way. IMHO

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make it right, or wrong. The only offense is to state your case, in an indelicate manner. How about agreeing to disagree respectfully. What does one accomplish to just put down, another's point of view? Does one think, you get elevated, to a new found respect.

Your thoughts?

[Cisco Kid]

I disagree

[2BNTV]

I disagree

:1rotfl:

You are a funny dude!!!

[Topspinmo]

I agree to disagree and reserve the right to then agree to disagree?

[pooh]

Some people are jealous of the popularity and good fortune of others and need someone, anyone, to lash out at, especially if their lives are not quite as illustrious.

It is the way of message boards, Joe....people bashing other people. Remember that old saying, "How to start an argument on the internet...1. Say something.
2. That's it." :shrug:
We might not truly understand what was written, how it was meant to come across. Oftentimes stuff some find offensive was meant as humor. Then again, some people might value their opinions more than they are really worth....;)
It would be nice if people were more thoughtful when disagreeing, but they aren't many times. We all come from different backgrounds, different locales....and it takes a while to understand that not all words mean the same thing to all of us.

[Villages PL]

After reading this article on Derek Jeter, it made me wonder why certain knock other people, for no good reason.

After years of saying nothing, now Derek Jeter has*something to say - and I couldn (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/bondy-derek-jeter-listening-article-1.1959535)

1. Do certain people disagree with other people point of view, just to be disagreeable?
2. Is it the way, someone was raised?
3. Is it our new, cultural statement?
4. Did we lose our sense of decency?

I can see a reporter needing to write an article as he/she is paid to do, but what makes a reporter cross the line of decency, in writing about a good person in a negative way.

I have also noticed this, on the forum as some people start a thread and disagree with another's point of view. Why does someone posed a scenario, only to disagree with another's point of view. What is the purpose? What happened to people lending support and comfort, to those who need help.
Maybe the political forum allowed people to vent their frustrations, with another's point of view. I really don't know, as I never went there.

I remember when this forum had many people on, who only wanted to help people and joke around. They got to know each other, and became friends. Somehow, that is getting lost along the way. IMHO

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make it right, or wrong. The only offense is to state your case, in an indelicate manner. How about agreeing to disagree respectfully. What does one accomplish to just put down, another's point of view? Does one think, you get elevated, to a new found respect.

Your thoughts?

I tried reading most of the article from your link but I'm not a sports fan so I think I may be missing something. In other words, I haven't been following the story and don't know what he has said.

That being the case, I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he must have had some reason for saying what he said. Why would someone say something for no reason? If someone judges his statements to be indecent, could it be because they don't know everything that he knows about a certain situation?

About posting on this forum: I can't comment without specifics. It depends on the individual thread and what was actually said. What is indelicate to one may be straightforwardness to another. It's subjective.

I think women are naturally better at putting things delicately. Men can be blunt at times because it comes natural to them. And I assume you are complaining about certain men on this forum, is that correct?

[CFrance]

I read it. Sounds like sour grapes to me, Joe. Interesting that he didn't have the courage of his convictions to say this during Jeter's career.

I do not blame anyone for not talking to the media. They aren't exactly stellar examples of honesty and ethical behavior. Jeter's not wanting to be misquoted and have a firestorm of media surrounding him while trying to do his job makes perfect sense to me. Some people are private; some want to see themselves in print. It's everyone's own choice, and no one asked the media to hang around waiting to talk to them. That's the chance you take. If you know some star is not likely to talk to the media, why wait?

[Cedwards38]

I agree with you. Some people just seem to get a thrill from constantly trying to prove how much smarter they are than all the rest of us, so they routinely disagree just to show us how much more they know.:boom:

[Patty55]

I know that Derek Jeter is not really the point of this thread but I just want to say I LOVE DEREK JETER.

I like that he played the game, never caused a scandal, never any gossip about him. PURE CLASS, like the old timers.

I like the Gatorade and Jordan ads and wish him nothing but further success.


Hey Jeter (is he reading here?), this is for you.

:ho:

[rubicon]

After reading this article on Derek Jeter, it made me wonder why certain knock other people, for no good reason.

After years of saying nothing, now Derek Jeter has*something to say - and I couldn (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/bondy-derek-jeter-listening-article-1.1959535)

1. Do certain people disagree with other people point of view, just to be disagreeable?
2. Is it the way, someone was raised?
3. Is it our new, cultural statement?
4. Did we lose our sense of decency?

I can see a reporter needing to write an article as he/she is paid to do, but what makes a reporter cross the line of decency, in writing about a good person in a negative way.

I have also noticed this, on the forum as some people start a thread and disagree with another's point of view. Why does someone posed a scenario, only to disagree with another's point of view. What is the purpose? What happened to people lending support and comfort, to those who need help.
Maybe the political forum allowed people to vent their frustrations, with another's point of view. I really don't know, as I never went there.

I remember when this forum had many people on, who only wanted to help people and joke around. They got to know each other, and became friends. Somehow, that is getting lost along the way. IMHO

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make it right, or wrong. The only offense is to state your case, in an indelicate manner. How about agreeing to disagree respectfully. What does one accomplish to just put down, another's point of view? Does one think, you get elevated, to a new found respect.

Your thoughts?

2BNTV: It seems you are talking about two separate issues here. In the case of Jeter we have a reporter like all reporters that demands and wants to control of what is in print, etc. Education accuracy, fairness, etc are secondary. Making headlines that can carry a story for days is what matters. In other words reporters want to write their stories not "the" story
In that, Jeter was quite aware and this reporter is openly showing it was sour grapes by him and the media at large. Good for Jeter he was acting very intelligently.

Then we have the issue of inter-communication between people groups, etc. Your reference of being agreeable and respecting one's view.

I agree with what you say but with this caveat. Too often this so called "being civil"is really manipulation by some to stifle free speech or control it such as in political correctness. Free Speech within our legal frame work is important and because you don't like what I say or if I say it with emphasis doesn't mean I am wrong or disagreeable. Conversely I believe it behooves one to speak sotto voce with decorum and intending to enlighten. The intent is to get your point across and yelling at swearing will only result in the speaker losing. The trick is to discern if the objection is genuine or a method to manipulate and stifle conversation.

As to this forum. I haven't seen that many people who have been offensive and frankly that included the political forum which I really miss. But perhaps I am not as sensitive beside which keeping overly charged people calm has been part of my job over the years.

I hope I have not misinterpreted your question and provided a response that related to your post

Personal Best Regards:

[Bill Tasker]

My late mother in-law was a very disagreeable person. What ever the crowd agreed to, she would be the one off. If you liked it, she hated it, if you recommended it, she found something wrong with it, etc. If she told you something was good or bad, you learned to dismiss her recommendation and find out for yourself. I guess some people are just that way.

[Cedwards38]

I know that Derek Jeter is not really the point of this thread but I just want to say I LOVE DEREK JETER.



I like that he played the game, never caused a scandal, never any gossip about him. PURE CLASS, like the old timers.



I like the Gatorade and Jordan ads and wish him nothing but further success.





Hey Jeter (is he reading here?), this is for you.



:ho:


Plus my nineteen year old daughter thinks he's HOT!

[njbchbum]

My late mother in-law was a very disagreeable person. What ever the crowd agreed to, she would be the one off. If you liked it, she hated it, if you recommended it, she found something wrong with it, etc. If she told you something was good or bad, you learned to dismiss her recommendation and find out for yourself. I guess some people are just that way.

Yikes! Are we related? That sounds like my Mother! ;)

[Bosoxfan]

I'm confused. Is this aimed at me for posting a sports reporters point of view.Or is this pointed at the reporter. I started that post because I was hoping for opinions on a players career. I wasn't looking to start trouble.I don't understand why disagreement is something that's frowned upon by so many people here . Its like we should always agree or keep our thoughts to ourself. After reading this article on Derek Jeter, it made me wonder why certain knock other people, for no good reason.

After years of saying nothing, now Derek Jeter has*something to say - and I couldn (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/bondy-derek-jeter-listening-article-1.1959535)

1. Do certain people disagree with other people point of view, just to be disagreeable?
2. Is it the way, someone was raised?
3. Is it our new, cultural statement?
4. Did we lose our sense of decency?

I can see a reporter needing to write an article as he/she is paid to do, but what makes a reporter cross the line of decency, in writing about a good person in a negative way.

I have also noticed this, on the forum as some people start a thread and disagree with another's point of view. Why does someone posed a scenario, only to disagree with another's point of view. What is the purpose? What happened to people lending support and comfort, to those who need help.
Maybe the political forum allowed people to vent their frustrations, with another's point of view. I really don't know, as I never went there.

I remember when this forum had many people on, who only wanted to help people and joke around. They got to know each other, and became friends. Somehow, that is getting lost along the way. IMHO

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make it right, or wrong. The only offense is to state your case, in an indelicate manner. How about agreeing to disagree respectfully. What does one accomplish to just put down, another's point of view? Does one think, you get elevated, to a new found respect.

Your thoughts?

[Villages PL]

I'm confused. Is this aimed at me for posting a sports reporters point of view.Or is this pointed at the reporter. I started that post because I was hoping for opinions on a players career. I wasn't looking to start trouble.I don't understand why disagreement is something that's frowned upon by so many people here . Its like we should always agree or keep our thoughts to ourself.

Don't take it personally, Bosoxfan. This thread, and other threads like it, come up periodically. They don't seem to be focused on any specific person and serve the purpose of trying to make everyone feel guilty that they may have done something wrong. It has a shotgun effect that calls for all posters to be more sedate. In this atmosphere, the best type of thread to start is one that asks, "What's your favorite color?" :-)

To those who periodically bring this up: I wonder why they don't go on the offending thread and spell out exactly what it is that they object to? Who knows, maybe the chief offender is a friend of theirs, or a friend of a friend.

[rubicon]

There is another dimension to this topic and that relates to those original posters who frequently comment about other posters they view as not welcome to their thread because they disagree. This complaint has troubled me from the first time i saw one. First, it appears the OP only wants people to join in that agree with his/her take on a topic. Secondly if the only people who responded were those in agreement how would anyone know if there were alternative or side effect of what the OP proposed.

Do you believe that while a business owner wants to hear how good his business is doing that he/she would not welcome complaints that they could address them.

If a subject manner is disagreeable to the receiver is the sender disagreeable? Of course not.

So a suggestion for original posters if you don't want to hear the other side.....or the rest of the story you may want to place in big block letters at the beginning of your post. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT I AM SAYING THEN PLEASE DON'T POST HERE. ALL WE WANT ARE LIKE MINDED PEOPLE WHO ARE CONVERTS TO OUR CAUSE .

[rubicon]

Often, the aggravation to the "receiver" doesn't come from someone who simply disagrees, it comes from the manner in which it's done. There's usually a pattern established where you see that the person who disagrees with the thread is not interested in discussion at all. And the person is usually part of a team effort to get a thread closed. It's the same few people over and over who apparently have no real interest in a worthwhile exchange of ideas.

Hi villagePL: First let me begin by saying that I generally agree with what you are saying .

Secondly I mentioned in previous post on this subject that 'Intent"was key. if the only purpose for a poster to engage in a thread is clearly be a spoiler, then we both agree. But before one can make that call a little back and forth between posters needs to take place before such a claim of intentional can be made.

Third I have never agreed with this forum position that a poster has a right to demand a thread be closed because as of now I have yet to see anything that was so bad that it would shock the conscience. And most of those close those thread demands appear to carry the Ï'm telling Dad your picking on me" reasoning.

All I suggest here is that too many people try and manipulate or stop discussion with claims of lack of civility, racist, etc political correctness.
In todays' culture people honestly believe that name calling is their argument

Personal Best Regards:

[quirky3]

I agree that there are some posters who try to close down a thread if it is not going their way. I have also noticed multiple threads have mysteriously disappeared lately with no notice to the OP.