Road Rage Shooting on 466

[Madelaine Amee]

In today's Daily Sun. Road rage on 466 which ended in a motorcyclist shooting into a car!

So this is what America's Friendliest Home Town looks like to the rest of the world - the media are going to have a field day with this one - first sex and now road rage. It's been a long hot summer, but this is ridiculous.

[Kahuna32162]

The world;s too interested in our lasted public sex arrest to even notice something as minor as road rage.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

The cause is breathing in all that damp humid hot summer air. It makes your brain moldy.

[tommy steam]

Why didn't the paper put the name and picture of the shooter in the paper? The shooter lived in the villages according to the newspaper. This is serious stuff.

[Madelaine Amee]

Why didn't the paper put the name and picture of the shooter in the paper? The shooter lived in the villages according to the newspaper. This is serious stuff.

Thank you - finally someone else thinks shooting into someone's car, while they are in it, is serious stuff! Yes, name the idiot involved!

[DonH57]

In today's Daily Sun. Road rage on 466 which ended in a motorcyclist shooting into a car!

So this is what America's Friendliest Home Town looks like to the rest of the world - the media are going to have a field day with this one - first sex and now road rage. It's been a long hot summer, but this is ridiculous.

The way I read it he was upset because another motorist blew a horn at him. I'm hoping he will be ordered a pysch eval and his right to carry be revoked. Lying to the police about being a volunteer officer for Marion county did'nt help his cause either.:loco:

[looneycat]

Thank you - finally someone else thinks shooting into someone's car, while they are in it, is serious stuff! Yes, name the idiot involved!

of course it is serious but how does this reflect on the villages in general? morons can live anywhere!

[Walter123]

Why didn't the paper put the name and picture of the shooter in the paper? The shooter lived in the villages according to the newspaper. This is serious stuff.

I agree. If they had sex after the shooting their names and pictures would have been posted.

[graciegirl]

The OTHER news venue is giving his name and he has a facebook page.

He is 67 and has pictures of him in some Law and Order shoot in New York.

They may have picked him for his tattoos.

He is from Bayside, Queens I think it said.

[mixsonci]

Was the other person seriously hurt?

[red tail]

I figured it was just another slow left hand lane driver being culled from the road.

[looneycat]

The OTHER news venue is giving his name and he has a facebook page.

He is 67 and has pictures of him in some Law and Order shoot in New York.

They may have picked him for his tattoos.

He is from Bayside, Queens I think it said.

he's from Bayside? that explains a lot :wave:

[graciegirl]

The way I read it he was upset because another motorist blew a horn at him. I'm hoping he will be ordered a pysch eval and his right to carry be revoked. Lying to the police about being a volunteer officer for Marion county did'nt help his cause either.:loco:


Motorist says he was coming up behind the motorist and tailgating him several times, then pulled in front of him abruptly and stopped, forcing the motorist to stop. Then the motorist blew a horn at him. There is a picture of him on his facebook page with a woman who he says works at the Harley Davidson dealership. (His girlfriend?) Anyway a "girlfriend" on another motor cycle also was involved in bedeviling this motorist who lives in The Villages. This guy shot out the motorist's back tire and light and then took off, but the cops got him.

Lock him up and leave him locked up.

[Miles42]

This isn't some quaint little village. We are home to thousands and not exempt from idiots.

[Sandtrap328]

Isn't "being charged with a felony involving firearms" enough to have the carry permit revoked until disposition of the case? I hate to think such a loose cannon is walking around still carrying his pistol.

[janmcn]

This guy was released after posting $10,000 bond, yet the two having sex are being held without bond in the Sumter County detention center.

[samhass]

Why is the bond so low (10K) for this type of offense?

[graciegirl]

Why is the bond so low (10K) for this type of offense?

I sure agree about the bond being too low.

[Walter123]

Why is the bond so low (10K) for this type of offense?

Why is there even a bond? The sex people had no bond. I guess STD's are more dangerous than bullets.

[Bogie Shooter]

Another macho nut with a gun.

[tommy steam]

My reasoning for having his picture in the newspaper . just maybe this guy would be shamed and shunned and it might cause him to move some place away from here. So they take away his gun, next time it could be a knife. JMO.

[red tail]

Another macho nut with a gun.

macho nut is out on bond and the guy that had some sex in no bond...?? im voting no on all the judges that are up for reelection.

[Topspinmo]

CR466 public road. I would imagine a lot of stuff goes on in day. Especially with all traffic, speeders, and inpatient drivers. probably now big deal in NYC, stray bullets flying every where and only problem when they hit someone.

IMO does make you not want to honk at people that cut you off, pull out in front of you, set at stop lights texting when the light has turned green for an eternity, run through stop signs when it's not their turn, pull in front of you then slam the brakes the turn, and the list goes on. You never know if some crazed idiot now days will shoot you, ball bat you, or drag you of the car and start wheeling on you! I only see this getting worse, but my glass is always half empty!

[Topspinmo]

macho nut is out on bond and the guy that had some sex in no bond...?? im voting no on all the judges that are up for reelection.


Why. Guns went off in both cases! Unless one was shooting Blanks?:jester:

[Bogie Shooter]

This is my rifle and this is my gun! Remember?:laugh:

[ditka41]

I rode bikes for over 40 years and one of the constant concerns was being rear-ended by a 4-wheeler. Any biker that passes a car and hits his brakes hard is just a total moron. They won't survive long doing that kind of thing here considering the average age and reflex time, in addition to hard-nosed attitude, of many Villagers. When he gets wiped out, it will be improving the gene pool. There are too many good and generous bikers to let this idiot ruin the reputation of bikers in general. Many have had intensive safety training and are very aware that they are vulnerable.

[billethkid]

In today's Daily Sun. Road rage on 466 which ended in a motorcyclist shooting into a car!

So this is what America's Friendliest Home Town looks like to the rest of the world - the media are going to have a field day with this one - first sex and now road rage. It's been a long hot summer, but this is ridiculous.

one does not need to state the serious-ness it is implied or given via the incident.

And it most certainly is not the way TV looks to America....in other cities with far larger crime blotters than the TV, are they defined by what happened yesterday in the sheriff's department? I think not.

Remember the news folks are looking for revenue and ratings. They want people to believe the world is a terrible place. It is not. It is a wonderful place with most of it's inhabitants doing and living in it right.

It is too bad that our society dwells on, magnifies and elevates the very few that are nothing at all like the rest of us!

[graciegirl]

one does not need to state the serious-ness it is implied or given via the incident.

And it most certainly is not the way TV looks to America....in other cities with far larger crime blotters than the TV, are they defined by what happened yesterday in the sheriff's department? I think not.

Remember the news folks are looking for revenue and ratings. They want people to believe the world is a terrible place. It is not. It is a wonderful place with most of it's inhabitants doing and living in it right.

It is too bad that our society dwells on, magnifies and elevates the very few that are nothing at all like the rest of us!

You are right. And pretty soon someone is going to try to tell me to feel sorry for these people. I don't.

[dbussone]

Isn't "being charged with a felony involving firearms" enough to have the carry permit revoked until disposition of the case? I hate to think such a loose cannon is walking around still carrying his pistol.


In most cases his permit will be suspended and weapons seized.

[rubicon]

While living in Memphis, TN many years ago my son age 15 pulled from a side street and apparently a biker didn't like it and passed him by then circled around the block and came up to him and shot at his fender thankfully missing the kids in the car and secondly the block. My son worried about being yelled at did not say anything until the next morning. I called the sheriff who inspected the very large hole in my son's car left fender and stated it appeared to be from a magnum but since my son waited too much time had elapsed to do anything.

It would be naive' to believe that with over a 100,000 population and a good percentage of that population being renters that you are not going to get some very bad types. Having said that it is apparent from comments gleaned from this forum that some newbies actually believe they are moving to some kind of paradise and their expectations based on those comments support that notion.
Clearly the overcrowding here has a direct and negative affect on many people. This is a continual scenario in Florida where there is a constant tension between those who seek managed growth and those who want to sell every piece of land that can accommodate building something.
The competing voices for amenities, shopping, traffic flow, etc makes the quality of life that much less. Its a fact its actual

[happy employee]

The biker was lucky he tried that move with an unarmed Villager. If I had seen him pull his weapon and point it at my car, He'd have had a .40cal round coming his way.........

[Chazz]

I hope that, in time, the details of what happened leading up to the incident, comes out. CR466 near Rolling Acres Rd. is a 4 lane road. If all that was involved was the desire for the motorcyclists to pass, they could easily have gone around the other vehicle, without a confrontation. It is likely that something provocative that hasn't been reported, yet, preceded the incident. Of course, regardless of what did precede the incident, the motorcyclist's action was not justified.

[ping]

My understanding from the Village News report: no one was hurt...shot at the car and a tire. Lives in the Culmet Grove area. What's going on....are people going crazy. Some one beeps his horn at you and you retaliate with gun fire! Thought all the crazies lived outside the bubble!

[Down Sized]

His picture and the news story on the Villages news.com

[cattywampus]

This is my rifle and this is my gun! Remember?:laugh:

One is for Fighting and One is for Fun.

Thank You for your Service to Our Country.

[blueash]

Man Murders Wife Two Weeks After Using Power Saw On Her Harley (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/13/man-murders-wife-two-weeks-after-using-power-saw-on-her-harley/#disqus_thread)

John Bibas, motorcyclist, near Bayside NY. Wrong place, wrong time

[Bogie Shooter]

My understanding from the Village News report: no one was hurt...shot at the car and a tire. Lives in the Culmet Grove area. What's going on....are people going crazy. Some one beeps his horn at you and you retaliate with gun fire! Thought all the crazies lived outside the bubble!

That is being rather naive.

[Barefoot]

The biker was lucky he tried that move with an unarmed Villager. If I had seen him pull his weapon and point it at my car, He'd have had a .40cal round coming his way.........

All we need is a gunfight on CR 466. :ohdear:
This kind of thinking scares me more than 20 people having sex in public.

[graciegirl]

Man Murders Wife Two Weeks After Using Power Saw On Her Harley (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/13/man-murders-wife-two-weeks-after-using-power-saw-on-her-harley/#disqus_thread)

John Bibas, motorcyclist, near Bayside NY. Wrong place, wrong time


HOLY COW! This appears to be the same guy!! Where did you find this Blueash?? I looked at his Facebook page




Man Murders Wife Two Weeks After Using Power Saw On Her Harley
April 13, 2010 at 2:05 pm by Morbid


DUMONT, N.J. – When 54-year-old Debra Shanley did not show up to meet with the local Harley Owners Group (H.O.G.) for a Sunday morning ride, friends became worried. When she did not respond to phone calls or text messages, they called police. They had reasons to be concerned as she had told them that she wanted out of her 35-year marriage to 58-year-old Peter Shanley and he was not too pleased with that or her new interests. Debra, Dumont Board of Education member and Bergenfield High School teacher, had recently fulfilled a lifelong dream in the form of a a Harley-Davidson Fat Boy. Peter did not share Debra’s dream and destroyed the motorcycle with a power saw two weeks ago. When police arrived at the couple’s home on Sunday they found Peter Shanley conscious and on a bedroom floor with a laceration to the neck and a broken ankle. Debra was laying dead on the floor of another bedroom. She had been bludgeoned and stabbed to death. Pete was taken to Hackensack University Medical Center and later charged with murder.

Image and video hosting by TinyPic Kind of a sad story when you think about it. Especially if you read the entire article I linked to. The couple seemed nice, and even Peter’s neighbors and employer have nothing but nice things to say about him. You get the feeling that he saw the writing on the wall and at 58, did not want to start a life alone – especially seeing as Debra was out and making new friends. An interesting thing I picked up on while reading the article was the account of her last day.

It states that Debra had gone on a group ride that Saturday with a John Bibas. They went to dinner with two other bikers that night. Bibas states that hen went home to Oakland after eating and that Debra stayed out to get dessert. He then goes on to answer the logical question that immediately formed in my head when I read that, saying Debra was not romantically involved with any member of the motorcycle club. If she was or wasn’t doesn’t really matter at this point as I am guessing that Peter had grown suspicious and wasn’t happy with the direction their decades long marriage was headed. And did something heinous as a result.


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[jbdlfan]

Not his first time in the news here. Search his name on the off campus news site.

[Madelaine Amee]

Not his first time in the news here. Search his name on the off campus news site.

Kinda sad really. When the other half read me the incident in the newspaper this morning I was amazed ............ now on reading a bit more about him, I think he is rather a sad guy. He's fast approaching 70, enjoys being in the news, is a policeman wannabe, even has his picture taken in a golf shirt with a sheriff's emblem of some sort ............ He's having a real difficult time facing reality.

My take - I'm sure others will disagree with me and that is your right!

[Mr.Big]

Tell me it ain't so! I come to The Villages every winter for 3 months to get away from the cold weather, and away from the "third world" enviroment where I live. Now, I am reading about stories in The Villages that imply to me that The Villages may have glimpses of the real world!

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I rode bikes for over 40 years and one of the constant concerns was being rear-ended by a 4-wheeler. Any biker that passes a car and hits his brakes hard is just a total moron. They won't survive long doing that kind of thing here considering the average age and reflex time, in addition to hard-nosed attitude, of many Villagers. When he gets wiped out, it will be improving the gene pool. There are too many good and generous bikers to let this idiot ruin the reputation of bikers in general. Many have had intensive safety training and are very aware that they are vulnerable.

Ditto that!

[njbchbum]

From the Daily Commercial:

Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_a11a66f4-43ba-5705-a06d-a9e48ebc1f39.html)

Villager arrested in road rage shooting
Millard K. Ives | Staff Writer

A 67-year-old Villages motorcyclist was arrested Thursday after he allegedly blocked in a vehicle with help of a fellow motorcyclist and then fired shots into the car during a road rage incident, according to Lady Lake police.

John Augustine Bibas, whose mugshot show tattoos of a sword with a bloody tip and a skeleton holding an axe, was charged with shooting into or throwing deadly missiles. He was released from the Lake County jail after posting a $10,000.

According to an arrest affidavit, Bibas and another motorcycle were traveling being the car headed east on County Road 466 in Lady Lake. The driver told police that Bibas kept tailgating him while trying to pass.

At some point, the motorcyclist rode on the center divider and cut between the victim’s car and another vehicle and then passed him as the other motorcycle stayed behind.

The report adds that Bibas then suddenly put on his brakes in front of the car, causing it also to stop. Then the other motorcyclist then allegedly pulled up behind the car, which prevented the victim from backing up.

The victim told police he began to honk -- only for Bilas to pull out a gun and shoot the car.

The victim added he was able to turn his wheel hard and drive off and to the Recreation Plantation RV Resort where he called police.

Police said they spotted what appeared to be two bullet holes in the car and officers later found Bilas on Lake Ella Road and arrested him.

[graciegirl]

Kinda sad really. When the other half read me the incident in the newspaper this morning I was amazed ............ now on reading a bit more about him, I think he is rather a sad guy. He's fast approaching 70, enjoys being in the news, is a policeman wannabe, even has his picture taken in a golf shirt with a sheriff's emblem of some sort ............ He's having a real difficult time facing reality.

My take - I'm sure others will disagree with me and that is your right!

I have to admit that I don't feel any sympathy for him. He just sounds like a selfish and arrogant criminal.

[graciegirl]

From the Daily Commercial:

Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_a11a66f4-43ba-5705-a06d-a9e48ebc1f39.html)

Villager arrested in road rage shooting
Millard K. Ives | Staff Writer

A 67-year-old Villages motorcyclist was arrested Thursday after he allegedly blocked in a vehicle with help of a fellow motorcyclist and then fired shots into the car during a road rage incident, according to Lady Lake police.

John Augustine Bibas, whose mugshot show tattoos of a sword with a bloody tip and a skeleton holding an axe, was charged with shooting into or throwing deadly missiles. He was released from the Lake County jail after posting a $10,000.

According to an arrest affidavit, Bibas and another motorcycle were traveling being the car headed east on County Road 466 in Lady Lake. The driver told police that Bibas kept tailgating him while trying to pass.

At some point, the motorcyclist rode on the center divider and cut between the victim’s car and another vehicle and then passed him as the other motorcycle stayed behind.

The report adds that Bibas then suddenly put on his brakes in front of the car, causing it also to stop. Then the other motorcyclist then allegedly pulled up behind the car, which prevented the victim from backing up.

The victim told police he began to honk -- only for Bilas to pull out a gun and shoot the car.

The victim added he was able to turn his wheel hard and drive off and to the Recreation Plantation RV Resort where he called police.

Police said they spotted what appeared to be two bullet holes in the car and officers later found Bilas on Lake Ella Road and arrested him.


bump

[dbussone]

From the Daily Commercial:



Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_a11a66f4-43ba-5705-a06d-a9e48ebc1f39.html)



Villager arrested in road rage shooting

Millard K. Ives | Staff Writer



A 67-year-old Villages motorcyclist was arrested Thursday after he allegedly blocked in a vehicle with help of a fellow motorcyclist and then fired shots into the car during a road rage incident, according to Lady Lake police.



John Augustine Bibas, whose mugshot show tattoos of a sword with a bloody tip and a skeleton holding an axe, was charged with shooting into or throwing deadly missiles. He was released from the Lake County jail after posting a $10,000.



According to an arrest affidavit, Bibas and another motorcycle were traveling being the car headed east on County Road 466 in Lady Lake. The driver told police that Bibas kept tailgating him while trying to pass.



At some point, the motorcyclist rode on the center divider and cut between the victim’s car and another vehicle and then passed him as the other motorcycle stayed behind.



The report adds that Bibas then suddenly put on his brakes in front of the car, causing it also to stop. Then the other motorcyclist then allegedly pulled up behind the car, which prevented the victim from backing up.



The victim told police he began to honk -- only for Bilas to pull out a gun and shoot the car.



The victim added he was able to turn his wheel hard and drive off and to the Recreation Plantation RV Resort where he called police.



Police said they spotted what appeared to be two bullet holes in the car and officers later found Bilas on Lake Ella Road and arrested him.


What a sweet couple the 2 motorcyclists make. The guy should not have been released on bond. He has proven himself to be am immediate danger to the community.

I'e ridden bikes with many guys and gals in the past. Thankfully none have risen to the level of idiocy that Mr Bibas displayed.

[capecodbob]

I recently bought a dash camera that runs in a continuous loop when the car is on. If the person in the car had one they would have had video proof of what happened.
This is a popular device in many countries and I'm told some insurance companies give a discount if you have one in your car.
I would suggest that the person that was shot at also consider a civil suit on the shooter.

[tippyclubb]

What a sweet couple the 2 motorcyclists make. The guy should not have been released on bond. He has proven himself to be am immediate danger to the community.

I'e ridden bikes with many guys and gals in the past. Thankfully none have risen to the level of idiocy that Mr Bibas displayed.


I agree. Just another incident to tarnish TV, and people here who ride motorcycles. I have been around many motorcycle people, and my husband is a Harley fanatic. We have rode all over the country and not once have we run across a man like this. I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

[Madelaine Amee]

I recently bought a dash camera that runs in a continuous loop when the car is on. If the person in the car had one they would have had video proof of what happened.
This is a popular device in many countries and I'm told some insurance companies give a discount if you have one in your car.
I would suggest that the person that was shot at also consider a civil suit on the shooter.

That would be the route I would take after the courts have done with him.

[cattywampus]

macho nut is out on bond and the guy that had some sex in no bond...?? im voting no on all the judges that are up for reelection.

I believe the sex guy had a VOP. (Violation of Probation)

In Florida, there is never an availability to Bond Out when there is VOP.

[rubicon]

Take a step back can you hear the song "The Vil lages ........ As advertised it is made to appear pristine, a shan ri la, utopia for those with the money to buy a ticket. Its the equivalent of stick your chin out daring someone to take their best shot. Its like being the most popular girl in school perfect teeth perfect hair perfect figure everyone fussing over you.............suddenly a blemishes pops and the world attacks.

[rp001]

Make sure that you all read the other news site updates to the comments. There are a group with a totally different side to this story and claims the reporters were totally wrong and misleading. I'd love to really know what happened. Some there are saying the man was actually attacked by the car. Sounds weird all around to me.

[perrjojo]

If a tattooed biker and his friend had me blocked in, I might try to escape too.....Even if it meant running over the person who had me blocked. I would be very fearful for my Saftey.

[Stdole]

Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..

[NoMoSno]

Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..

We may never know the facts in this case.
Do we even know he HAD a permit to carry?
Could it be true, what someone said in the online news, that the car driver attempted to back over him?
I won't judge someone based on a small article, until the facts are out.

[patfla06]

If a tattooed biker and his friend had me blocked in, I might try to escape too.....Even if it meant running over the person who had me blocked. I would be very fearful for my Saftey.

Absolutely!

[Abster]

Make sure that you all read the other news site updates to the comments. There are a group with a totally different side to this story and claims the reporters were totally wrong and misleading. I'd love to really know what happened. Some there are saying the man was actually attacked by the car. Sounds weird all around to me. I read the lengthy comment earlier. It certainly describes a totally different scenario. I think everyone should withhold judgment until you know what exactly happened.

[rp001]

Not to worry, the word police "eliminated" the whole discussion from the lady and others. Now the thread really makes no sense. I'm wondering what is being covered up? If the facts are as shown in this thread are accurate, and the second party was blocking the motorists escape, then why weren't charges filed?
Even worse, is the blatant censorship displayed there and elsewhere. Even though I don't agree with the dissenting opinion, that person's opinion or side needs to have a venue in this court of public opinion. It really is unfair to have that kind of power where only one side is expressed and I believe is very dangerous to society as we know it.

[graciegirl]

Not to worry, the word police "eliminated" the whole discussion from the lady and others. Now the thread really makes no sense. I'm wondering what is being covered up? If the facts are as shown in this thread are accurate, and the second party was blocking the motorists escape, then why weren't charges filed?
Even worse, is the blatant censorship displayed there and elsewhere. Even though I don't agree with the dissenting opinion, that person's opinion or side needs to have a venue in this court of public opinion. It really is unfair to have that kind of power where only one side is expressed and I believe is very dangerous to society as we know it.

Boy Howdy. No conspiracy. The jerk fired at motorists.

[DougB]

If a tattooed biker and his friend had me blocked in, I might try to escape too.....Even if it meant running over the person who had me blocked. I would be very fearful for my Saftey.

What if it was an untattooed biker and his friend?

[rp001]

Boy Howdy. No conspiracy. The jerk fired at motorists.
Why were the posts removed? I happen to agree with you but if this is a court of public opinion, and it is, both sides need to be heard! No one should remove anything just because you disagree. That is not our justice system. Sorry

[graciegirl]

Why were the posts removed? I happen to agree with you but if this is a court of public opinion, and it is, both sides need to be heard! No one should remove anything just because you disagree. That is not our justice system. Sorry


Look, kiddo. I get posts removed too. I am not a moderator of this forum and never have been no matter what you read on Topix.

A post is removed on this forum because the owners and those appointed by them deemed that the poster went too far.

I have had hundreds of posts removed because I post a lot and sometimes go too far.

After simmering down, I have agreed with their efforts to keep this forum moderated. I think this is a well run forum even if they remove my posts.

And I am an old, very traditional woman who has majority views on almost everything, so a lot of old traditional people agree with me sometimes and sometimes they don't.

I am guessing that this post will be removed and I already agree with it.

[collie1228]

This guy fired a gun at people! Did a prosecuting attorney recommend the $10K bond? I'd like to know who the judge is that set the bond so low.

[red tail]

This guy fired a gun at people! Did a prosecuting attorney recommend the $10K bond? I'd like to know who the judge is that set the bond so low.

bible belt justice..... sex is worse than attempted murder

[perrjojo]

What if it was an untattooed biker and his friend?
If ANYONE had me stopped and blocked on a roadway, I would feel VERY threatened! Maybe if the biker had Mom tattooed in plan sight I might reconsider:angel:

[perrjojo]

Speaking of removing posts, I noticed that the road rage and sex on the utility box has been removed from "that other news source".

[MikeV]

The driver of the car showed more restraint than I could have. If someone pointed a gun at me I would probably run them over.

[dbussone]

Look, kiddo. I get posts removed too. I am not a moderator of this forum and never have been no matter what you read on Topix.

A post is removed on this forum because the owners and those appointed by them deemed that the poster went too far.

I have had hundreds of posts removed because I post a lot and sometimes go too far.

After simmering down, I have agreed with their efforts to keep this forum moderated. I think this is a well run forum even if they remove my posts.

And I am an old, very traditional woman who has majority views on almost everything, so a lot of old traditional people agree with me sometimes and sometimes they don't.

I am guessing that this post will be removed and I already agree with it.

I bet it won't, Gracie.

[TheVillageChicken]

Speaking of removing posts, I noticed that the road rage and sex on the utility box has been removed from "that other news source"..

They are still there, just fell off front page (http://bit.ly/1EdfQeL)

[joldnol]

If he had fired on me he would have been a speed bump

[Sandtrap328]

The driver of the car showed more restraint than I could have. If someone pointed a gun at me I would probably run them over.

A lot better response than the poster who said he would engage in a gunfight right on 466.

[Bonanza]

This guy was released after posting $10,000 bond, yet the two having sex are being held without bond in the Sumter County detention center.

Just to really show you how ridiculous our local law system is . . . Mrs. Klemm and her friend from that eventful night, are still in jail for a 6-month stint for her behavior in the Lake Sumpter Landing sexcapade. How stupid is that? And this gun-wielding cowboy is out on bail? What am I not understanding??? Where do these stupid judges come from and what is their justification for the penalties they give -- or don't give??

[Bonanza]

one does not need to state the serious-ness it is implied or given via the incident.

And it most certainly is not the way TV looks to America....in other cities with far larger crime blotters than the TV, are they defined by what happened yesterday in the sheriff's department? I think not.

Remember the news folks are looking for revenue and ratings. They want people to believe the world is a terrible place. It is not. It is a wonderful place with most of it's inhabitants doing and living in it right.

It is too bad that our society dwells on, magnifies and elevates the very few that are nothing at all like the rest of us!

You are right. And pretty soon someone is going to try to tell me to feel sorry for these people. I don't.

You are correct, Gracie. I don't feel sorry for them either and I won't.
They are low-life trash.

[CFrance]

Motorist says he was coming up behind the motorist and tailgating him several times, then pulled in front of him abruptly and stopped, forcing the motorist to stop. Then the motorist blew a horn at him. There is a picture of him on his facebook page with a woman who he says works at the Harley Davidson dealership. (His girlfriend?) Anyway a "girlfriend" on another motor cycle also was involved in bedeviling this motorist who lives in The Villages. This guy shot out the motorist's back tire and light and then took off, but the cops got him.

Lock him up and leave him locked up.
If only they had enough jail space! This jerk is probably already back out on the road. Hope he gets his license to carry rescinded. Oh wait... Did he even have one?

[Skybo]

Just to really show you how ridiculous our local law system is . . . Mrs. Klemm and her friend from that eventful night, are still in jail for a 6-month stint for her behavior in the Lake Sumpter Landing sexcapade. How stupid is that? And this gun-wielding cowboy is out on bail? What am I not understanding??? Where do these stupid judges come from and what is their justification for the penalties they give -- or don't give??

After Ms Klem was arrested for the square incident, she WAS allowed to bond out of jail (as was he). It wasn't until she turned herself back in for Violation of Probation that she was denied bond for that offense (the probation violation). The reason they are both still in jail now is because they took plea deals and agreed to the six month sentences rather than go before a jury where they may have gotten longer sentences. The other two utility box yahoos were denied bond based on their unique history.

None of these cases have anything to do with the road rage incident and it doesn't make any sense to try to compare them. The primary purpose of bond is to ensure that the accused shows back up for trial. The amount of bond is based on various factors unique to that particular case.

[gerryann]

I think the bond and jail time is based more on past record, then on the current event. Don't forget....the square sex lady was on probation from a prior and I believe a stipulation said she was to stay away from the booze.
There's always more to the story than is printed. We don't know the whole story with the gun wielding motorcyclist.

[mtdjed]

If only they had enough jail space! This jerk is probably already back out on the road. Hope he gets his license to carry rescinded. Oh wait... Did he even have one?

And he may be a reader of TOTV and your neighbor and reading your comments.

[janmcn]

Mr Michael Dunn, of the loud music case fame, got 30 years for each shot he fired at a moving car even though no one was injured - three shots fired equals 90 years in jail. To top it off, he just received (in a separate trial) a life sentence for first degree murder. So he is serving a life sentence plus 90 years.

The moral of the story is think long and hard before shooting at an occupied car.

[Xavier]

In today's Daily Sun. Road rage on 466 which ended in a motorcyclist shooting into a car!

So this is what America's Friendliest Home Town looks like to the rest of the world - the media are going to have a field day with this one - first sex and now road rage. It's been a long hot summer, but this is ridiculous.

I'd have to look up his address to be absolutely positive, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that the motorcyclist is the same jerk that I followed through the Calumet Gate a while ago. No sooner was he through the gate and he took a hard left in front of oncoming traffic and gave it full-throttle onto the southbound cart path and took a shortcut into where he lives.

Mr. Macho needs a mental evaluation in my opinion.

Xavier

[graciegirl]

Someone named Amy Greene is championing this jerk and has written long rants on the other online news. She must be his girlfriend.

[Chatbrat]

I have a ccw permit, all those who expose, shooting it out--remember the gunfight you can always win is the one you avoid; otherwise, its 50/50. Be aware of your surroundings & let nuts go their way & also you're not a law enforcement officer--do not try to correct others.

[rp001]

Someone named Amy Greene is championing this jerk and has written long rants on the other online news. She must be his girlfriend.
So far they are allowing hers to stay on there. Different from yesterday. She is extremely defensive and it must be very personal to her. I have yet to hear one word, here or there that shows a need for gunfire. As an earlier poster said, if he was trying to play mr policeman, he would have been a speed bump. Saw an incident live on TV several years ago where a group of protesters tried to stop a car in Miami. The lady ran one over. She then went to the police station. She was followed by the injured protestor. Guess what, they arrested the protestor ( as soon as he got out of the hospital with a broken leg).

[Yosemite]

Why didn't the paper put the name and picture of the shooter in the paper? The shooter lived in the villages according to the newspaper. This is serious stuff.
ALWAYS check the real Villages news website for crime details. Google The Villages to find their website. Other websites will also show up when there is a crime report of this nature.

[Xavier]

I recently bought a dash camera that runs in a continuous loop when the car is on. If the person in the car had one they would have had video proof of what happened.
This is a popular device in many countries and I'm told some insurance companies give a discount if you have one in your car.
I would suggest that the person that was shot at also consider a civil suit on the shooter.

If it were me, after I hurried home to change my underwear, I'd head to my lawyers to prepare for the civil suit.

Xavier

[dbussone]

And he may be a reader of TOTV and your neighbor and reading your comments.

And your point is?

[dbussone]

I have a ccw permit, all those who expose, shooting it out--remember the gunfight you can always win is the one you avoid; otherwise, its 50/50. Be aware of your surroundings & let nuts go their way & also you're not a law enforcement officer--do not try to correct others.

Right on!

[tomwed]

AAA has great advice about road rage. click here (https://www.aaafoundation.org/sites/default/files/RoadRageBrochure.pdf)

It may save your life or mine too if there is collateral damage.

[capecodbob]

Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..

Has it been established that the shooter had a license to carry?

[dbussone]

AAA has great advice about road rage. click here (https://www.aaafoundation.org/sites/default/files/RoadRageBrochure.pdf)

It may save your life or mine too if there is collateral damage.

Good advice. Thank you.

[Matzy]

Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)

[dbussone]

Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)

If you have a CCP you carry as a routine.

[blueash]

On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?

[gerryann]

Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)

Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?

[tomwed]

Is it one of the safest places in the US?
Name a safer place with a great climate, free golf and 1,000 actvities or clubs that are free or nearly free.

[Barefoot]

Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons???

Very scary. Especially combined with road rage.

[patfla06]

Were there any witnesses?

[graciegirl]

On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?


A gun shot at a tire would not stop a rolling automobile in time.

The exact same news story was printed in The Daily Commercial.

I cannot think of any reasonable scenario for someone to shoot at a car.



Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_a11a66f4-43ba-5705-a06d-a9e48ebc1f39.html)

[SusanOfWoodbury]

The correcThank God for witnesses

[Bonanza]

After Ms Klem was arrested for the square incident, she WAS allowed to bond out of jail (as was he). It wasn't until she turned herself back in for Violation of Probation that she was denied bond for that offense (the probation violation). The reason they are both still in jail now is because they took plea deals and agreed to the six month sentences rather than go before a jury where they may have gotten longer sentences. The other two utility box yahoos were denied bond based on their unique history.

None of these cases have anything to do with the road rage incident and it doesn't make any sense to try to compare them. The primary purpose of bond is to ensure that the accused shows back up for trial. The amount of bond is based on various factors unique to that particular case.

Thank you for the correction. I forgot most of the details you brought up.

I do understand what bond is and what it's designed to do.

[Bogie Shooter]

Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?

Do you really think this is the only place this is happening?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act ????? You blame this on all of the good, law abiding people that exercise their God given right to carry a weapon? First of all, we don't even know if this guy had a permit. The gun could have been illegal. Secondly, how often have you heard of this kind of incident or any kind of illegal gun incident occurring involving people with CCPs?

We really have no idea what went on here. There are conflicting reports and I, personally, will wait for all of the information to come out before I post an opinion. But, I will not blame this one the legions of law abiding people, the vast majority of which have no desire to ever shoot anyone, that choose to carry a firearm.

And I will not make posts inferring that this sort of event is commonplace.

[Cisco Kid]

Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?

I bet all the golf carts will have to have bulletproof glass installed and the residents will need to wear bulletproof vest. The bubble is now a magnet. Soon ISIS & Ebola will headline at the squares. Has anyone added bars to theirs windows yet ?

:a20:

[cattywampus]

.
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Aggravated Assault , involving Discharge of a Firearm.

PLUS.......Florida Mandatory Minimum Sentencing
__________________________________________________ _

EQUALS === Twenty Years in State Prison


Anybody know what he has been charged with .????

[LndLocked]

On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?

In Ms Green's version, Bibas was at the rear of the car (and perhaps prone due to "tripping") and shot the tires / car. In the drivers account, Bibas was in front of the car when he shot.

It would seem that simple, basic forensic evidence could quickly determine which version is truthful.

[graciegirl]

In Ms Green's version, Bibas was at the rear of the car (and perhaps prone due to "tripping") and shot the tires / car. In the drivers account, Bibas was in front of the car when he shot.

It would seem that simple, basic forensic evidence could quickly determine which version is truthful.

I don't care if he was hanging over the car from a helicopter and the guy in the car was taunting him with nasty signs, he had NO reason to shoot his gun at them.

[LndLocked]

I don't care if he was hanging over the car from a helicopter and the guy in the car was taunting him with nasty signs, he had NO reason to shoot his gun at them.

First of all I am not supporting either version, as I was not a witness nor participant .... only stating that simple evidence should be able to determine which is factual. Secondly, I did not in anyway condone using a weapon.

but for the sake of argument (as you seem to want to manufacture one with me) Let's just say that ms. Green's version is correct .... in which case the driver was literally attempting to run over Bibis. Would he be justified then? Do you support Fla's "stand your ground" law?

[gerryann]

Do you really think this is the only place this is happening?

Unfortunately no. It's happening all over. Just hate the drinking and guns combo. Leave the guns out of the bars. If you can't stay sober, leave your gun at home.

[graciegirl]

First of all I am not supporting either version, as I was not a witness nor participant .... only stating that simple evidence should be able to determine which is factual. Secondly, I did not in anyway condone using a weapon.

but for the sake of argument (as you seem to want to manufacture one with me) Let's just say that ms. Green's version is correct .... in which case the driver was literally attempting to run over Bibis. Would he be justified then? Do you support Fla's "stand your ground" law?

Sorry Landlocked. you are always a fair person. I'd have to think that jumping out of the way or moving quickly would have made him safer than firing his gun, but I have never shot a gun or driven a motorcycle but I have nice friends here who do both.

I can't imagine trying to kill anyone with a car or a gun unless they were trying to harm my family. And yes I do support Second Amendment rights to own a firearm.

[janmcn]

.
.
Aggravated Assault , involving Discharge of a Firearm.

PLUS.......Florida Mandatory Minimum Sentencing
__________________________________________________ _

EQUALS === Twenty Years in State Prison


Anybody know what he has been charged with .????


None of the published articles, as far as I can see, have stated what the charges will be, only that he was arrested when police found him in Lake County. Perhaps future articles will divulge what charges he faces and when and where he will appear to face those charges. As a poster cited previously, this case should not be that difficult to figure out by examining the evidence.

[gerryann]

I bet all the golf carts will have to have bulletproof glass installed and the residents will need to wear bulletproof vest. The bubble is now a magnet. Soon ISIS & Ebola will headline at the squares. Has anyone added bars to theirs windows yet ?

:a20:

My point exactly. Guns don't belong here. This is a retirement community. Who are you protecting yourself from? The only thing in my opinion that questions the safety of TV is wondering which senior citizen is walking around with a gun and doesn't know what to do with it. There is no reason to fire a weapon here unless your life is in imminent danger. I don't think the motorcycle guys life was in imminent danger. He was just a hotshot who wanted to scare the other guy.

[NECHFalcon68]

Unfortunately no. It's happening all over. Just hate the drinking and guns combo. Leave the guns out of the bars. If you can't stay sober, leave your gun at home.

I thought this happened on 466.
I dont remember hearing of any bar-related shootings here in TV....

[janmcn]

I thought this happened on 466.
I dont remember hearing of any bar-related shootings here in TV....


It is against the law in Florida to carry a gun into a bar. Other business establishments are asking customers to leave their guns outside, such as Panera's, Target, Starbucks. Where do concealed carry license holders leave their guns when shopping in these places or entering a bar?

[gerryann]

It is against the law in Florida to carry a gun into a bar. Other business establishments are asking customers to leave their guns outside, such as Panera's, Target, Starbucks. Where do concealed carry license holders leave their guns when shopping in these places or entering a bar?

Maybe at home?

[kittygilchrist]

This isn't some quaint little village. We are home to thousands and not exempt from idiots.

I can't improve on that for a comment, thanks, Miles.
Matter of fact, i am making a keyboard shortcut so I don't have to type it all every time it is appropriate to post.
You're not claiming a copyright are you?

[CFrance]

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act ????? You blame this on all of the good, law abiding people that exercise their God given right to carry a weapon? First of all, we don't even know if this guy had a permit. The gun could have been illegal. Secondly, how often have you heard of this kind of incident or any kind of illegal gun incident occurring involving people with CCPs?

We really have no idea what went on here. There are conflicting reports and I, personally, will wait for all of the information to come out before I post an opinion. But, I will not blame this one the legions of law abiding people, the vast majority of which have no desire to ever shoot anyone, that choose to carry a firearm.

And I will not make posts inferring that this sort of event is commonplace.
Re-read his post. He was not saying all carry concealed people act like the Harley guy. He was saying the Harley guy-type people are giving carry concealed people a bad name. Kinda like those few dog poop people give the rest of us owners a bad name.

[rubicon]

My point exactly. Guns don't belong here. This is a retirement community. Who are you protecting yourself from? The only thing in my opinion that questions the safety of TV is wondering which senior citizen is walking around with a gun and doesn't know what to do with it. There is no reason to fire a weapon here unless your life is in imminent danger. I don't think the motorcycle guys life was in imminent danger. He was just a hotshot who wanted to scare the other guy.

you might want to ask that auto driver if he would consider carrying a gun after being shot at? i never owned a gun but stories like this ae changing my mind. When you consider we are no longer strong enough to defend ourselves with our fists perhaps an equalizer like this is exactly what people of retirement age need


Personal Best Regards:

[gerryann]

you might want to ask that auto driver if he would consider carrying a gun after being shot at? i never owned a gun but stories like this ae changing my mind. When you consider we are no longer strong enough to defend ourselves with our fists perhaps an equalizer like this is exactly what people of retirement age need


Personal Best Regards:

I don't know you but I seriously do not think you truly believe this. I have seen comments from you over the years, and I do not believe you really think that senior citizens need to be walking around with guns! Tell us you're not serious with your statement.
And regarding the man who was shot.....I DO NOT think he wishes he had a gun on him when he was shot at.

[kittygilchrist]

Having a weapon in your vehicle is legal for anyone.
Permits are required to carry it on your person, or to have it immediately accessible in vehicle.
Example: if you unlock glove box to access, that does not require permit by law. If it is on the seat beside you, permit is required.
So it does not matter if this offender has a permit or not--nobody is allowed to pull, brandish or shoot under circumstances described.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Re-read his post. He was not saying all carry concealed people act like the Harley guy. He was saying the Harley guy-type people are giving carry concealed people a bad name. Kinda like those few dog poop people give the rest of us owners a bad name.

The exact quote that I took from his post was, "Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act".

That's pretty clear to me. He's telling conceal carry people to clean up their act before we have our rights taken away. It sounds to me like he's blaming everyone who has a permit to carry.

[Cisco Kid]

>>>

[MikeV]

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I like it. Oh, by the way I have a Harley AND a CCW.

[CFrance]

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act ????? You blame this on all of the good, law abiding people that exercise their God given right to carry a weapon? First of all, we don't even know if this guy had a permit. The gun could have been illegal. Secondly, how often have you heard of this kind of incident or any kind of illegal gun incident occurring involving people with CCPs?

We really have no idea what went on here. There are conflicting reports and I, personally, will wait for all of the information to come out before I post an opinion. But, I will not blame this one the legions of law abiding people, the vast majority of which have no desire to ever shoot anyone, that choose to carry a firearm.

And I will not make posts inferring that this sort of event is commonplace.
Wait a minute...GOD gave them that right? I thought it was the US government. Separation of church and state and all that...

[dbussone]

It is against the law in Florida to carry a gun into a bar. Other business establishments are asking customers to leave their guns outside, such as Panera's, Target, Starbucks. Where do concealed carry license holders leave their guns when shopping in these places or entering a bar?


If you are going to a bar your gone should be left at home. To Target, lock it in your vehicle.

[graciegirl]

Forget for the moment about people's views on owning guns and get back to this.

What possible scenario could have occurred on 466, this week, that could have made a motorcyclist, any motorcyclist, be justified to fire a gun at a car, any car?

It sounds like a person who has uncontrollable anger issues, no matter what the provocation. I have NEVER felt the urge to shoot at someone, EVER.

I might if someone entered my home and tried to hurt Sweetie or Helene, I would want to tear them apart, but nasty and rude driving has not been a trigger to make me take violent action. We are supposed to act like adults in a motor vehicle..

[Chatbrat]

I carry a firearm and keep a firearm in all my vehicles. If Mr. Bilbus would have done to me what he is supposed to have done, he would most likely would be dead. This is not NY, anyone & I mean anyone can legally have firearm in their vehicles. I carry a firearm to prevent harm to my love ones & myself from the likes of Mr. Bilbus. Nut jobs are anywhere.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Wait a minute...GOD gave them that right? I thought it was the US government. Separation of church and state and all that...

My understanding is that the constitution prohibits the government from taking away these rights. The government does not grant rights. But what's the difference? That's not what's at issue here.

My point was that the poster was blaming law abiding people who have every right to carry a gun for not having their act together and that because they don't have their act together, the government will some day take that right away.

I think that the "concealed carry people" have their act together and most of them would not want to shoot anyone.

Where the right comes from is a completely different discussion. You can believe that the government gives you rights if you want.

[Barefoot]

...

[gerryann]

I carry a firearm and keep a firearm in all my vehicles. If Mr. Bilbus would have done to me what he is supposed to have done, he would most likely would be dead. This is not NY, anyone & I mean anyone can legally have firearm in their vehicles. I carry a firearm to prevent harm to my love ones & myself from the likes of Mr. Bilbus. Nut jobs are anywhere.

Seriously??? You carry a firearm in all vehicles??? Here in The Villages?? Seriously?? WHY???

[dbussone]

Seriously??? You carry a firearm in all vehicles??? Here in The Villages?? Seriously?? WHY???

Well, among other things (and without being a wise guy) he has the right to if he wishes.

[MikeV]

Well, among other things (and without being a wise guy) he has the right to if he wishes.


Correct.

[MikeV]

Seriously??? You carry a firearm in all vehicles??? Here in The Villages?? Seriously?? WHY???


Why not. It is his right.

[gerryann]

Well, among other things (and without being a wise guy) he has the right to if he wishes.

In life, there are a lot of things you can "legally" do. That doesn't mean you would do them. This is The Villages, Florida. No one needs to carry a gun!! Especially if you are a senior citizen. You're responses (reflexes) are not what they used to be. You're eyesight is not what it used to be. You're reasoning is not what it used to be.
This is a safe community where you do not need to fear for your life. If you are moving here from a dangerous area where you needed protection...get over it! You are here now and you do not need protection. If you have the mindset that you will carry because you can...then maybe move somewhere where you will need the protection...you don't need it here. Put the gun away in a safe place and enjoy yourself! No need to fear your neighbors here.

[dbussone]

In life, there are a lot of things you can "legally" do. That doesn't mean you would do them. This is The Villages, Florida. No one needs to carry a gun!! Especially if you are a senior citizen. You're responses (reflexes) are not what they used to be. You're eyesight is not what it used to be. You're reasoning is not what it used to be.
This is a safe community where you do not need to fear for your life. If you are moving here from a dangerous area where you needed protection...get over it! You are here now and you do not need protection. If you have the mindset that you will carry because you can...then maybe move somewhere where you will need the protection...you don't need it here. Put the gun away in a safe place and enjoy yourself! No need to fear your neighbors here.

With all the former cops, FBI, military, etc here in TV it may not be their neighbors they fear. After Gen Norman Schwartzcof (?sp) retired he had 24/7 armed bodyguards for a long time. How do we know who fits into a similar category?

[graciegirl]

Why not. It is his right.


I can think of a lot of reasons why not. Most of them is that most of us will never be in that kind of danger.

I think answers that just are kind of smart aleck and not helpful are not the way to defend carrying a gun or change anyone's view on the subject.

I have never felt the need of a gun but if people do, fine. I will never understand it personally, but I do believe that you have a legal right to do so.

Many of us believe in second amendment rights but do not see the need at this time and in this place to carry a gun. We have lived all of our lives in exceedingly safe areas, and feel that this is an exceedingly safe area with no need to carry firearms. I have heard all of the canned rhetoric about how "I don't know how unsafe I was" but I did know how safe I was. And this place is still safe. When and if that changes, I will change. But please answer Gerry Ann sincerely.

Gerry Ann, now I know dozens of quite ordinary people who have guns and I am not so shocked as I once was. In fact during the break ins last fall I was very glad to know of their presence close by.

[MikeV]

I can think of a lot of reasons why not. Most of them is that most of us will never be in that kind of danger.



I think answers that just are kind of not explanatory are not the way to defend carrying a gun.



I have never felt the need of a gun but if people do, fine. I will never understand it personally, but I do believe that you have a legal right to do so.



Many of us believe in second amendment rights but do not see the need at this time and in this place to carry a gun. We have lived all of our lives in exceedingly safe areas, and feel that this is an exceedingly safe area with no need to carry firearms. I have heard all of the canned rhetoric about how "I don't know how unsafe I was" but I did know how safe I was. And this place is still safe. When and if that changes, I will change. But please answer Gerry Ann sincerely.



Gerry Ann, now I know dozens of quite ordinary people who have guns and I am not so shocked as I once was. In fact during the break ins last fall I was very glad to know of their presence close by.


Gracie it's not the carrying of guns that gets me riled up but the high and mighty attitudes of some people spouting off and chastising others for doing something totally legal. There are things I don't approve of people doing but I don't criticize them or preach to them about it.

[Xavier]

Seriously??? You carry a firearm in all vehicles??? Here in The Villages?? Seriously?? WHY???

My guess would be to boost their self confidence or some other shortcomings they may be concerned with. Maybe they'd carry instead of seeing a Doctor to take care of a low-T problem. Who knows what's going on in the minds of others. That's what scares me! I personally don't see the need, nor do I think that because they have the "right" it justifies doing it.

I've had guns since I was 8 years old. My family lived in the country and hunting and the such was part of everyone's life. I used to shoot rats at the landfill on Sunday afternoons. Farmers used to encourage us to help them get rid of woodchucks so that their livestock wouldn't get injured by stepping in the holes in the ground. I still have two 12 gauge pump shotguns in my home in The Villages. I'm not really sure why.

Xavier

[NoMoSno]

I still have two 12 gauge pump shotguns in my home in The Villages. I'm not really sure why.

Xavier

Well if you are confused and "not really sure why?"
Maybe you should turn them in to the sheriff?...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Gracie Said:
I can think of a lot of reasons why not. Most of them is that most of us will never be in that kind of danger.


I agree Gracie. That is true. But it only takes one time to be in that kind of danger and you lose your life.

With a lot of what's been happening around here these days, I can't blame anyone for wanting to carry a gun.

Someone said, that this is a retirement community so there is never a need for us to defend ourselves. I believe that quite the opposite is true. Retirement communities are perfect targets for criminals. Most of us are no longer capable of defending ourselves in a physical confrontation.

I believe that we live in one of the safest areas of the country, but that doesn't mean that things don't happen. We have had several people from my neck of the woods arrested in recent months and after seeing there criminal record, I am appalled to know that these people live in my neighborhood. I have actually had contact with some of them and Jenny had an incident with one. They are frightening people.

We may have a very low crime rate, but there is still crime and like I said, it only takes one time.

[Xavier]

Well if you are confused and "not really sure why?"
Maybe you should turn them in to the sheriff?...

Nah, they are both rather classic and have considerable value. I might consider selling them to a reputable gun dealer though. I'll have to think about it.

Xavier

[tomwed]

Guns on Campus’ Laws for Public Colleges and Universities

A Guide for Students and Parents
The overwhelming majority of the 4,400 colleges and universities in the United States prohibit the carrying of firearms on their campuses. These gun-free policies have helped to make our post-secondary education institutions some of the safest places in the country. For example, a 2001 U.S. Department of Education study found that the overall homicide rate at post-secondary education institutions was 0.07 per 100,000 students in 1999.1 By comparison, the criminal homicide rate in the United States as a whole was 5.7 per 100,000 persons overall in 1999, and 14.1 per 100,000 for persons ages 17 to 29. A Department of Justice study found that 93% of violent crimes that victimize college students occur off campus.2

Despite the success of these gun-free policies, an increasingly extreme pro-gun movement in the USA is promoting legislation and litigation to force colleges and universities to allow concealed guns on campus. As a result, schools in Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin have now been forced in different ways to allow the carrying of firearms on their premises (i.e. campus grounds, classrooms, dormitories, or parking lots). from Colleges and Universities where concealed guns are permitted (http://www.armedcampuses.org/)


The Villages remind me of a campus. My kids have graduated but if they didn't I would want them on a gun free campus. It's safer. Why wouldn't I want the same thing for myself here?

[Patty55]

Has it been reported who actually was charged and with what?

[janmcn]

Has it been reported who actually was charged and with what?

Published reports say that the shooter was arrested after law enforcement found him in Lake County. The reports I read did not state what he was charged with or when and where he will report to face those charges.

[gustavo]

Forget for the moment about people's views on owning guns and get back to this.

What possible scenario could have occurred on 466, this week, that could have made a motorcyclist, any motorcyclist, be justified to fire a gun at a car, any car?

It sounds like a person who has uncontrollable anger issues, no matter what the provocation. I have NEVER felt the urge to shoot at someone, EVER.

I might if someone entered my home and tried to hurt Sweetie or Helene, I would want to tear them apart, but nasty and rude driving has not been a trigger to make me take violent action. We are supposed to act like adults in a motor vehicle..

The scenario I read in the comments section of the article in the ************** dot com was that the motorcycle guy was standing behind the motorist, the motorist was backing up, he backed away, stumbled and fell, the motorist kept coming and he pulled his gun to shoot out the tires because he feared the guy was going to run him over.

[gustavo]

My guess would be to boost their self confidence or some other shortcomings they may be concerned with. Maybe they'd carry instead of seeing a Doctor to take care of a low-T problem. ....
Xavier

Not sure the ladies would agree with your assessment of why they carry?

[gustavo]

Guns on Campus’ Laws for Public Colleges and Universities

A Guide for Students and Parents
The overwhelming majority of the 4,400 colleges and universities in the United States prohibit the carrying of firearms on their campuses. These gun-free policies have helped to make our post-secondary education institutions some of the safest places in the country. For example, a 2001 U.S. Department of Education study found that the overall homicide rate at post-secondary education institutions was 0.07 per 100,000 students in 1999.1 By comparison, the criminal homicide rate in the United States as a whole was 5.7 per 100,000 persons overall in 1999, and 14.1 per 100,000 for persons ages 17 to 29. A Department of Justice study found that 93% of violent crimes that victimize college students occur off campus.2

Despite the success of these gun-free policies, an increasingly extreme pro-gun movement in the USA is promoting legislation and litigation to force colleges and universities to allow concealed guns on campus. As a result, schools in Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin have now been forced in different ways to allow the carrying of firearms on their premises (i.e. campus grounds, classrooms, dormitories, or parking lots). from Colleges and Universities where concealed guns are permitted (http://www.armedcampuses.org/)


The Villages remind me of a campus. My kids have graduated but if they didn't I would want them on a gun free campus. It's safer. Why wouldn't I want the same thing for myself here?

Because I and many others here don't want what you want.

So the reason the there are less violent crimes on campus is no guns, no other reason, nothing else, really? So the conclusion is lack of guns is the cause of the reduced violent crime, really???

[gerryann]

The Villages remind me of a campus. My kids have graduated but if they didn't I would want them on a gun free campus. It's safer. Why wouldn't I want the same thing for myself here? [/I]

Very interesting article. And I agree with your comment. I am from Wisconsin and agree wholeheartedly with their decision regarding guns.

In Wisconsin as of August 21, 2013, no private or public universities, colleges, or community colleges permit weapons inside of buildings. No private universities permit weapons on campus grounds.

[Xavier]

Not sure the ladies would agree with your assessment of why they carry?

I was going to substitute low-E instead of low-T in this response, but then I thought that just maybe the original may be more correct.

Xavier

[gerryann]

With all the former cops, FBI, military, etc here in TV it may not be their neighbors they fear. After Gen Norman Schwartzcof (?sp) retired he had 24/7 armed bodyguards for a long time. How do we know who fits into a similar category?

This is General Schwarzkopf you are talking about. Of course he needed guards. I would not compare gun totting villagers to him.
As for the former police, etc living here.....I would guess that very, very few of them carry a weapon because they know it is not needed here.
Unfortunately, the folks that carry seem to have a "need" to tell people that they are. NOBODY needs to know if one is carrying a gun. Only hot shots feel the need to tell others.

[gerryann]

My guess would be to boost their self confidence or some other shortcomings they may be concerned with. Maybe they'd carry instead of seeing a Doctor to take care of a low-T problem. Who knows what's going on in the minds of others. That's what scares me!
Xavier

That's actually quite funny and may explain a lot. :icon_wink::icon_wink:

[gustavo]

[QUOTE=Xavier;948859]I was going to substitute low-E instead of low-T in this response, but then I thought that just maybe the original may be more correct.

Xavier[/QUOTE

Pretty sure those with low T don't really care about guns or fighting, just like to sit on the couch, watch Oprah and eat bon bons.