Adverse Effects of Acute Cannabis Use,

[gamby]

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ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 7 October 2014.

Adverse Effects of Cannabis Use,

•Cannabis does not produce fatal overdoses.
•Driving while cannabis-intoxicated doubles the risk of a car crash; this risk increases substantially if users are also alcohol-intoxicated.
•Cannabis use during pregnancy slightly reduces birth weight of the baby.

Adverse Effects of Chronic Cannabis Use

•Regular cannabis users can develop a dependence syndrome, the risks of which are around 1 in 10 of all cannabis users and 1 in 6 among those who start in adolescence.
•Regular cannabis users double their risks of experiencing psychotic symptoms and disorders, especially if they have a personal or family history of psychotic disorders, and if they start using cannabis in their mid-teens.
•Regular adolescent cannabis users have lower educational attainment than non-using peers but we don't know whether the link is causal.
•Regular adolescent cannabis users are more likely to use other illicit drugs, but we don't know whether the link is causal.
•Regular cannabis use that begins in adolescence and continues throughout young adulthood appears to produce intellectual impairment, but the mechanism and reversibility of the impairment is unclear.
•Regular cannabis use in adolescence approximately doubles the risk of being diagnosed with schizophrenia or reporting psychotic symptoms in adulthood.
•Regular cannabis smokers have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis.
•Cannabis smoking by middle aged adults probably increases the risk of myocardial infarction.

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[Deseylou]

Lucky for me I have NEVER smoked anything

[Uberschaf]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, "From 2001–2005, there were approximately 79,000 deaths annually attributable to excessive alcohol use. In fact, excessive alcohol use is the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for people in the United States each year." A 1993 study estimated US deaths through alcohol at 100,000
(Wikipedia).And still legal.Willie Nelson said he knows of one death by cannabis ,a bale of it fell on him.

[Cisco Kid]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
Pot reminds me of Global Warming.
Your facts or mine.

[mickey100]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, "From 2001–2005, there were approximately 79,000 deaths annually attributable to excessive alcohol use. In fact, excessive alcohol use is the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for people in the United States each year." A 1993 study estimated US deaths through alcohol at 100,000
(Wikipedia).And still legal.Willie Nelson said he knows of one death by cannabis ,a bale of it fell on him.

:bigbow:

And look at the deaths related to cigarette and tobacco use. Enough said.

[billethkid]

why is it that pot has become legal to sell over the counter when many other mind/behavior/judgement altering/impairing drugs, which are legal but remain CONTROLLLED substances, with very detailed monitoring and distribution?

[Jaggy]

•Driving while cannabis-intoxicated doubles the risk of a car crash; this risk increases substantially if users are also alcohol-intoxicated.
What an intelligent statement.. Duh.. was the author "high"?

[memason]

I'm still trying to determine the point of the original post???

[graciegirl]

I'm still trying to determine the point of the original post???

Not only do I know the point of the original post but I will soon know who smokes pot in The Villages and who does not.

Carry on.

P.S. I don't and I don't drink alcohol either. I am thoroughly boring and annoying but not holier than thou.

[Indydealmaker]

There is a ton of data regarding how much alcohol can be imbibed before the drinker is driving impaired.

Has there been any studies that show the same for cannabis impairment?

[TheVillageChicken]

Acute use of anything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication) has adverse affects.

[Chi-Town]

Not only do I know the point of the original post but I will soon know who smokes pot in The Villages and who does not.

Carry on.

P.S. I don't and I don't drink alcohol either. I am thoroughly boring and annoying but not holier than thou.
GG, you're not going to narc on them, are you?

[graciegirl]

GG, you're not going to narc on them, are you?


Not if they pay me.

[redwitch]

Not sure how causal adolescent use of grass and later psychiatric dxes really relate. The reality is that many who are in the beginning stages of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and many other mental illnesses use non-prescription drugs as a way to alleviate their symptoms. This was true in the 1800's and is true today. It could be just as logical to say that mental illness can cause drug abuse.

Addictions come in all forms. I once had a boss who was a runner. I could always tell if he hadn't had his morning run. Without the endorphin high, he got the shakes, was irritable and hyper until he could get his run in. So, it should be no surprise that someone who uses marijuana daily for years has developed an addiction. Ditto lung damage.

As to driving and being impaired via alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs or anything else that floats your boat, no excuse. Hanging by the short hairs is too kind. To me, you are free to do whatever you want to your body in the privacy of your home but you do not have the right to endanger me, my family, my friends or a stranger because you think you can handle your drug and drive.

BTW, I am not a user. Haven't been for over thirty years and then only occasionally. But I really see less harm in smoking a joint than in alcohol usage.

[looneycat]

I (gasp, wheeze, cough)..huh? ;-)

[VT2TV]

Wonder what is going to be the new.."But officer, I only had 2 beers." Is that now going to be..."but officer, I only had 2 beers, a couple of joints, or other assortment of pharmaceuticals..." I am really afraid that the same drivers who may really have stopped at 2 beers won;t see any problems with smoking a joint(s), because they are used to smoking while drinking, and a lot of damage could be done by the time they realize the effects of the added joints to alcohol. I also have to wonder about the effects of children and others, but mostly children or the infirm, in being around all the second hand smoke from the joints. It is way, way too soon to have enough studies about how much drug kids, etc. will actually be exposed too just being in a crowd of people lighting up, or even walking in and out of buildings. Will the parents be responsible enough to be extra diligent about not standing around people smoking a joint? It is bad enough being around regular cigarette smoke. I am not trying to be judge or jury, but way too many unknows at this time, can see wayyyy more problems than with "just cigarettes or just weed, and "just alcohol or alcohol and just weed."

[Vernster]

Not sure how causal adolescent use of grass and later psychiatric dxes really relate. The reality is that many who are in the beginning stages of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and many other mental illnesses use non-prescription drugs as a way to alleviate their symptoms. This was true in the 1800's and is true today. It could be just as logical to say that mental illness can cause drug abuse.

Addictions come in all forms. I once had a boss who was a runner. I could always tell if he hadn't had his morning run. Without the endorphin high, he got the shakes, was irritable and hyper until he could get his run in. So, it should be no surprise that someone who uses marijuana daily for years has developed an addiction. Ditto lung damage.

As to driving and being impaired via alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs or anything else that floats your boat, no excuse. Hanging by the short hairs is too kind. To me, you are free to do whatever you want to your body in the privacy of your home but you do not have the right to endanger me, my family, my friends or a stranger because you think you can handle your drug and drive.

BTW, I am not a user. Haven't been for over thirty years and then only occasionally. But I really see less harm in smoking a joint than in alcohol usage.

Great post Red. I agree 100%. I think many of us have smoked a few joints along the way and I personally think it is a lot less harmful as tobacco cigarettes.

[Sandtrap328]

Sure, it is not a secret that chronic (longterm) use of weed will have effects.

The situation is speaking, however, for medical weed. Reduce the pain and the suffering by voting YES for medical marijuana.

The scare ads on tv are put out by drug companies who do not want competition.

There will be some abuse. There is some abuse of tobacco which is lots worse than weed. There is some abuse of alcohol. There is abuse of candy, hamburgers, french fries, and driving golf carts. Do not worry about the abuse of a few. Think of the greater good it will do so many more!

[Penguin]

Let me see, adverse affects of extreme cannabis use. Oh I know, significant weight gain. :1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

So far I haven't been wrong on my guesses of those who do and those who don't.

[tommy steam]

:bigbow:

And look at the deaths related to cigarette and tobacco use. Enough said.

CDC.... 480,000 deaths a year from smoking cigaretts and 41,000 from second hand smoke.

[Lonnyward]

those who are of the mind set to try pot are probably also of the mind set to try other drugs as well. This does NOT mean that pot is a gateway drug. Rather, it only shows that people open to trying things, may very well do so. Saying that smoking pot LEADS to other drugs (the gateway garbage) is just that - garbage!

[rubicon]

Today's pot is much higher in THC and four times the carcinogens than cigarettes. The comparison of pot to cigarettes and alcohol is a canard. Consider further that cigarettes were deemed medically dangerous and socially unacceptable and people have been banned from use in almost every place and penalized at work by health insurers for use. Yet people now want legalized pot which means they can smoke it anywhere and if they can't will anyway. Consider further that the government even wants to control the new vapor cigarettes VAPE

Many top level and respected medical people worldwide have indicated that causal use by young people, defined as once a week leads to a drop in memory loss and a drop in IQ of 6-8 points. There is an association with mental illness that medical experts are uncovering. Experts have known for years that alcohol has adverse effects with people who sustained brain injury. We now known that cocaine can exacerbate the beginnings of MS
( to wit Robin Williams)
So why is it so far fetched to believe pot chemicals can't adversely affect the brain?

The excuse for passing Amendment 2 in Florida is for medicinal purposes only but the fact is that the amendment leaves the opportunity wide open for recreational use and people like Atty Morgan of Morgan and Morgan is pushing it. He appeared at a rally and it was clear from the video that everyone including him was stoned and that they demand passage of recreational us. In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

If the true intent of amendment 2 is for medicinal use only then make it for marijuana's oil extract only and meter it use tightly under federal medical laws applying to other drugs at pharmacies . Keep in mind the problem this country is experiencing with abuse of opiods

Its clear the only people who really want recreational us of marijuana are business people who will greatly profit from it, politicians who will gain a huge tax reservoir and users.

[VT2TV]

Today's pot is much higher in THC and four times the carcinogens than cigarettes. The comparison of pot to cigarettes and alcohol is a canard. Consider further that cigarettes were deemed medically dangerous and socially unacceptable and people have been banned from use in almost every place and penalized at work by health insurers for use. Yet people now want legalized pot which means they can smoke it anywhere and if they can't will anyway. Consider further that the government even wants to control the new vapor cigarettes VAPE

Many top level and respected medical people worldwide have indicated that causal use by young people, defined as once a week leads to a drop in memory loss and a drop in IQ of 6-8 points. There is an association with mental illness that medical experts are uncovering. Experts have known for years that alcohol has adverse effects with people who sustained brain injury. We now known that cocaine can exacerbate the beginnings of MS
( to wit Robin Williams)
So why is it so far fetched to believe pot chemicals can't adversely affect the brain?

The excuse for passing Amendment 2 in Florida is for medicinal purposes only but the fact is that the amendment leaves the opportunity wide open for recreational use and people like Atty Morgan of Morgan and Morgan is pushing it. He appeared at a rally and it was clear from the video that everyone including him was stoned and that they demand passage of recreational us. In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

If the true intent of amendment 2 is for medicinal use only then make it for marijuana's oil extract only and meter it use tightly under federal medical laws applying to other drugs at pharmacies . Keep in mind the problem this country is experiencing with abuse of opiods

Its clear the only people who really want recreational us of marijuana are business people who will greatly profit from it, politicians who will gain a huge tax reservoir and users.



Excellent post. Actually, the oral cannibis is used for the elderly as a appetite stimulant. I am afraid we are going to find a Pandora's box effect with this course. I very much think marijuana is a "gateway drug" and it will not take long to see many problems. On the lighter side.....you think parents have a problem keeping their adult children from living in their houses now........wait until they stay stoned and munch all day. They will be fat and happy... as long as they don't get into a car.

[Sandtrap328]

Today's pot is much higher in THC and four times the carcinogens than cigarettes. The comparison of pot to cigarettes and alcohol is a canard. Consider further that cigarettes were deemed medically dangerous and socially unacceptable and people have been banned from use in almost every place and penalized at work by health insurers for use. Yet people now want legalized pot which means they can smoke it anywhere and if they can't will anyway. Consider further that the government even wants to control the new vapor cigarettes VAPE

Many top level and respected medical people worldwide have indicated that causal use by young people, defined as once a week leads to a drop in memory loss and a drop in IQ of 6-8 points. There is an association with mental illness that medical experts are uncovering. Experts have known for years that alcohol has adverse effects with people who sustained brain injury. We now known that cocaine can exacerbate the beginnings of MS
( to wit Robin Williams)
So why is it so far fetched to believe pot chemicals can't adversely affect the brain?

The excuse for passing Amendment 2 in Florida is for medicinal purposes only but the fact is that the amendment leaves the opportunity wide open for recreational use and people like Atty Morgan of Morgan and Morgan is pushing it. He appeared at a rally and it was clear from the video that everyone including him was stoned and that they demand passage of recreational us. In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

If the true intent of amendment 2 is for medicinal use only then make it for marijuana's oil extract only and meter it use tightly under federal medical laws applying to other drugs at pharmacies . Keep in mind the problem this country is experiencing with abuse of opiods

Its clear the only people who really want recreational us of marijuana are business people who will greatly profit from it, politicians who will gain a huge tax reservoir and users.

This posting is NOT what legalized medical marijuana is about at all. It is to relieve pain from debilitating disease and provide comfort from chemotherapy.

Big drug companies are against it so they can continue to produce the pills we see advertised and we all ask our doctors for the latest and greatest.

Some medical marijuana will be misused for sure. Look, however, to the greater good for the huge groups that will be helped by usage of medical marijuana.

[graciegirl]

This posting is NOT what legalized medical marijuana is about at all. It is to relieve pain from debilitating disease and provide comfort from chemotherapy.

Big drug companies are against it so they can continue to produce the pills we see advertised and we all ask our doctors for the latest and greatest.

Some medical marijuana will be misused for sure. Look, however, to the greater good for the huge groups that will be helped by usage of medical marijuana.




Look, if you smoke it, don't try to legitimatize it with that argument. There are all kinds of legitimate drugs like Kytril that take away nausea from chemo. Don't make pharmaceutical companies that produce a myriad of medicines to help all kinds of ailments, the bad guy. The use of marijuana is not going to take away the kind of pain that codeine soothes or other strong drugs for people truly in agony. And I am skeptical if it really helps people with seizure disorders. Those two reasons are not going to even wound "Big Pharma".

I was utterly surprised and shocked to see the overwhelming number of people on this forum who favor pot becoming legal. There is no doubt in my mind that pot will become legal in Florida but I am worried about then what will happen to kids and to people driving and drinking and toking.

A majority of the people on this forum obviously use marijuana now. And it is illegal. That is what really, really surprised me.

Here is the poll started by Quirky3 some time ago. 88 to 44 favored the legalization of marijuana for recreational use.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/recreational-marijuana-107224/

[blueash]

In the meantime the Governor of Colorado pleaded with other states considering this law to back away.

Of course Colorado's law is legalization of recreational use, not what Amendment 2 proposes for Florida. The governor's objection is to a lack of data, being the first state, opposing the Federal statutes. There may be just a bit of irony in his opposition as his business prior to politics was brewing alcohol, that other intoxicant.

Gov. John Hickenlooper: It Was 'Reckless' For Colorado To Legalize Marijuana (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/06/john-hickenlooper-marijuana-reckless_n_5942586.html)

Hickenlooper was asked during a gubernatorial debate about other state governors who may be considering legalizing marijuana.

"I would view it as reckless before we see what the consequences are" in Colorado, Hickenlooper said, International Business Times reported. His Republican challenger, Bob Beauprez, agreed with the "reckless" characterization, according to Politico.

Hickenlooper later expanded on Colorado's legalization, saying: "I think for us to do that without having all the data, there is not enough data, and to a certain extent you could say it was reckless.

"I'm not saying it was reckless, because I'll get quoted everywhere," Hickenlooper added. "But if it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it, right. I opposed it from the very beginning. All right, what the hell -- I'll say it was reckless."

Kathy Green, interim spokeswoman for the governor, later explained: "In the face of inaction from the federal government, Colorado voters had no choice but to act on their own. While the governor believes it was reckless for Colorado to be the first state to violate federal drug laws, it is clear that Colorado voters saw no other choice -- and we are committed to carrying out their will, as democracy demands."

Hickenlooper has said in the past that he "hates" that Colorado is the "experiment" on marijuana legalization and has urged other governors to be cautious in considering reform laws. He also has said the drug war has been a "disaster" and he can see why so many people support reform.

[graciegirl]

Of course Colorado's law is legalization of recreational use, not what Amendment 2 proposes for Florida. The governor's objection is to a lack of data, being the first state, opposing the Federal statutes. There may be just a bit of irony in his opposition as his business prior to politics was brewing alcohol, that other intoxicant.

Gov. John Hickenlooper: It Was 'Reckless' For Colorado To Legalize Marijuana (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/06/john-hickenlooper-marijuana-reckless_n_5942586.html)

Hickenlooper was asked during a gubernatorial debate about other state governors who may be considering legalizing marijuana.

"I would view it as reckless before we see what the consequences are" in Colorado, Hickenlooper said, International Business Times reported. His Republican challenger, Bob Beauprez, agreed with the "reckless" characterization, according to Politico.

Hickenlooper later expanded on Colorado's legalization, saying: "I think for us to do that without having all the data, there is not enough data, and to a certain extent you could say it was reckless.

"I'm not saying it was reckless, because I'll get quoted everywhere," Hickenlooper added. "But if it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it, right. I opposed it from the very beginning. All right, what the hell -- I'll say it was reckless."

Kathy Green, interim spokeswoman for the governor, later explained: "In the face of inaction from the federal government, Colorado voters had no choice but to act on their own. While the governor believes it was reckless for Colorado to be the first state to violate federal drug laws, it is clear that Colorado voters saw no other choice -- and we are committed to carrying out their will, as democracy demands."

Hickenlooper has said in the past that he "hates" that Colorado is the "experiment" on marijuana legalization and has urged other governors to be cautious in considering reform laws. He also has said the drug war has been a "disaster" and he can see why so many people support reform.


Aside from politics, how do YOU feel about the legalization of marijuana?

[Sandtrap328]

Look, if you smoke it, don't try to legitimatize it with that argument. There are all kinds of legitimate drugs like Kytril that take away nausea from chemo. Don't make pharmaceutical companies that produce a myriad of medicines to help all kinds of ailments, the bad guy. The use of marijuana is not going to take away the kind of pain that codeine soothes or other strong drugs for people truly in agony. And I am skeptical if it really helps people with seizure disorders. Those two reasons are not going to even wound "Big Pharma".

I was utterly surprised and shocked to see the overwhelming number of people on this forum who favor pot becoming legal. There is no doubt in my mind that pot will become legal in Florida but I am worried about then what will happen to kids and to people driving and drinking and toking.

A majority of the people on this forum obviously use marijuana now. And it is illegal. That is what really, really surprised me.

Here is the poll started by Quirky3 some time ago. 88 to 44 favored the legalization of marijuana for recreational use.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/recreational-marijuana-107224/

Your marijuana radar went off prematurely on me. Last time I took a couple of hits from a joint was over 40 years ago and that was maybe the third time I ever had any. No, I am not a smoker of MJ.

I see all of your viewpoints and respect them (and you) and understand what you say. I, though, believe MJ would be better for pain and nausea than the codeine and drugs. I may be wrong and hope my wife and I will never have to find out if this is right or wrong.

As for "social smoking" - NO! I have found it is just the most pleasant thing to sit with friends, have an ice-cold Heineken, converse about this wonderful place,and hopefully have a friendly little black panther on the chair arm to pet.

[redwitch]

Gracie, I'd say that the majority of Baby Boomers have tried grass and, unlike Clinton, they did inhale. Some still use today. Some don't. Some are chronic users. Some aren't. Some smoke grass on a truly recreational basis, don't smoke and drive, and are otherwise very law-abiding citizens. To me, it is less evil than alcohol.

I'm very pro medical usage of marijuana. When I was going through chemo, I could hold nothing down and no legal medication was working. Back then, there was no legalization. Finally got some joints from a friend at the advice of my doctor. That worked. The marijuana helped save my life as much as the chemo did. I didn't smoke any more once I was off chemo and haven't had any since. Please don't think that just because there is a pill that works for some or claims to work for all necessarily works for everyone.

[graciegirl]

Gracie, I'd say that the majority of Baby Boomers have tried grass and, unlike Clinton, they did inhale. Some still use today. Some don't. Some are chronic users. Some aren't. Some smoke grass on a truly recreational basis, don't smoke and drive, and are otherwise very law-abiding citizens. To me, it is less evil than alcohol.

I'm very pro medical usage of marijuana. When I was going through chemo, I could hold nothing down and no legal medication was working. Back then, there was no legalization. Finally got some joints from a friend at the advice of my doctor. That worked. The marijuana helped save my life as much as the chemo did. I didn't smoke any more once I was off chemo and haven't had any since. Please don't think that just because there is a pill that works for some or claims to work for all necessarily works for everyone.


Back then there was no Kytril.

[Cisco Kid]

CDC.... 480,000 deaths a year from smoking cigaretts and 41,000 from second hand smoke.

Now why would the good people at the tobacco company want to kill off there buyers ?

[cologal]

As a former resident of that Rocky Mountain High state.....

After traveling for 24 years for the first time checking in I had to sign a paper requiring me not to smoke pot in the room. I just cracked up.

So just for fun we visited the local Pot Shop.... just took pictures for Facebook.

Graduated from college 1972 still haven't smoked POT!

[rubicon]

Not sure how causal adolescent use of grass and later psychiatric dxes really relate. The reality is that many who are in the beginning stages of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and many other mental illnesses use non-prescription drugs as a way to alleviate their symptoms. This was true in the 1800's and is true today. It could be just as logical to say that mental illness can cause drug abuse.

Addictions come in all forms. I once had a boss who was a runner. I could always tell if he hadn't had his morning run. Without the endorphin high, he got the shakes, was irritable and hyper until he could get his run in. So, it should be no surprise that someone who uses marijuana daily for years has developed an addiction. Ditto lung damage.

As to driving and being impaired via alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs or anything else that floats your boat, no excuse. Hanging by the short hairs is too kind. To me, you are free to do whatever you want to your body in the privacy of your home but you do not have the right to endanger me, my family, my friends or a stranger because you think you can handle your drug and drive.

BTW, I am not a user. Haven't been for over thirty years and then only occasionally. But I really see less harm in smoking a joint than in alcohol usage.

redwitch: Perhaps you are correct? However some experts believe that people who are genetically pre-disposed to mental illness but would have never experienced it trigger the brain chemistry, their billions of neurons etc and create an illness they could have avoided.

[rubicon]

This posting is NOT what legalized medical marijuana is about at all. It is to relieve pain from debilitating disease and provide comfort from chemotherapy.

Big drug companies are against it so they can continue to produce the pills we see advertised and we all ask our doctors for the latest and greatest.

Some medical marijuana will be misused for sure. Look, however, to the greater good for the huge groups that will be helped by usage of medical marijuana.

Hi sandtrap: forgive the pun but if you read amendment 2 carefully you will see it is a trap to establish a clearing for recreational use. As to medicinal use they can extract the oil from the plant and gain the medicinal benefit without the pyschoactive highs. States now are grappling with people who abuse opoids and who had to place over the counter drugs behind locked doors preventing dealers from using them to make meth. If it is for medicinal purposes then use the oil extract and meter it closely or we are going to have just another drug problem.

Actually the medicinal thing is a hoax created by profit seekers and tax hungry politicians and of course the stoners who want the right.
Doesn't anyone else see the fallacy between outlawing cigarettes as medically dangerous and socially unacceptable but allowing something more insidious as legal marijuana. what message are we sending to our kids. what parent in their right mind would approve of their kids use of dope?
"Here sweetie take this $20 and go down to the store and pick yourself some good reefers.

Am I still on planet earth???????????????????? Are we actually having this conversation while he rest of the world burns? Where the heck are our priorities?

[B767drvr]

Here are a few articles that may assist in understanding the FACTS:


Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/)


Medical Marijuana Legalization: Pro-Pot Laws Do Not Lead To More Drug Use Among Teens, Study Finds (http://www.ibtimes.com/medical-marijuana-legalization-pro-pot-laws-do-not-lead-more-drug-use-among-teens-study-1642342)


UCSF Study Finds Medical Marijuana Could Help Patients Reduce Pain with Opiates | ucsf.edu (http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2011/12/11077/ucsf-study-finds-medical-marijuana-could-help-patients-reduce-pain-opiates)


Marijuana Shown to Be Less Damaging to Lungs Than Tobacco | ucsf.edu (http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/01/11282/marijuana-shown-be-less-damaging-lungs-tobacco)


As Anecdotal Reports of Anti-Cancer Effects from Cannabis 'Oil' Pile Up, Doctors Stress Need to Document Its Effects | Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/drugs/anecdotal-reports-anti-cancer-effects-cannabis-oil-pile-doctors-stress-need-document-its)

[cologal]

There is a strain called Charlottes Web which contains no THC and works well in children. Pot smokers don't want it because there is no high! Many familes have moved to Colorado for treatment.

[rubicon]

Here are a few articles that may assist in understanding the FACTS:


Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/)


Medical Marijuana Legalization: Pro-Pot Laws Do Not Lead To More Drug Use Among Teens, Study Finds (http://www.ibtimes.com/medical-marijuana-legalization-pro-pot-laws-do-not-lead-more-drug-use-among-teens-study-1642342)


UCSF Study Finds Medical Marijuana Could Help Patients Reduce Pain with Opiates | ucsf.edu (http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2011/12/11077/ucsf-study-finds-medical-marijuana-could-help-patients-reduce-pain-opiates)


Marijuana Shown to Be Less Damaging to Lungs Than Tobacco | ucsf.edu (http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/01/11282/marijuana-shown-be-less-damaging-lungs-tobacco)


As Anecdotal Reports of Anti-Cancer Effects from Cannabis 'Oil' Pile Up, Doctors Stress Need to Document Its Effects | Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/drugs/anecdotal-reports-anti-cancer-effects-cannabis-oil-pile-doctors-stress-need-document-its)

B767drvr I have two words in response to these well meaning people

UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES. does anyone really believe that a government that can't win the war on drugs is going to be able to contain the outlaw us of legal marijuana? do the tight laws associated with cigarettes and alcohol stop underage people from obtaining them at their leisure?

The three things promoting this campaign are profits, taxes and legal use

[jbdlfan]

Hi sandtrap: forgive the pun but if you read amendment 2 carefully you will see it is a trap to establish a clearing for recreational use. As to medicinal use they can extract the oil from the plant and gain the medicinal benefit without the pyschoactive highs. States now are grappling with people who abuse opoids and who had to place over the counter drugs behind locked doors preventing dealers from using them to make meth. If it is for medicinal purposes then use the oil extract and meter it closely or we are going to have just another drug problem.

Actually the medicinal thing is a hoax created by profit seekers and tax hungry politicians and of course the stoners who want the right.
Doesn't anyone else see the fallacy between outlawing cigarettes as medically dangerous and socially unacceptable but allowing something more insidious as legal marijuana. what message are we sending to our kids. what parent in their right mind would approve of their kids use of dope?
"Here sweetie take this $20 and go down to the store and pick yourself some good reefers.

Am I still on planet earth???????????????????? Are we actually having this conversation while he rest of the world burns? Where the heck are our priorities?

Not that I disagree with your point, but, how many ever had their parent or grandparent allow them to "sip" a drink of their beer? I grew up in a largely German/Lutheran rural community that allowed and even encouraged alcohol consumption on a regular basis. How many folks on this forum consumed alcohol in front of their children or grandchildren that would result in their blood alcohol level to be above the legal limit, even if you are at home. I think in many cases, we are quite hypocritical in the use of alcohol versus drug use. JMHO

[cologal]

I voted against legal weed in CO... While the state is making money from taxes this windfall is not as large as expected.

The T shirt companies are having great fun and making money!!!

[Kahuna32162]

One word....Cheetos!

[B767drvr]

UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES.

Peyton Manning did say he's selling more pizzas than ever with the law change in Colorado! :icon_hungry:

Seriously, has anyone heard of all the boogie man bad things happening in Colorado or Washington that some are predicting for Florida? Where's all the death and destruction, hospitals full of addicts, carnage on the roadways?

The truth is full legalization of marijuana won't impact anything but alcohol sales. People have wrung their hands about women voting, civil rights, gay marriage… in the end society continues. I'm very confident full marijuana legalization will eventually be the law in all 50 states and there won't be any negative effect on the good citizens of this country. I understand some might not agree, and that's ok too. You'll eventually see the light! :)

[rubicon]

Peyton Manning did say he's selling more pizzas than ever with the law change in Colorado! :icon_hungry:

Seriously, has anyone heard of all the boogie man bad things happening in Colorado or Washington that some are predicting for Florida? Where's all the death and destruction, hospitals full of addicts, carnage on the roadways?

The truth is full legalization of marijuana won't impact anything but alcohol sales. People have wrung their hands about women voting, civil rights, gay marriage… in the end society continues. I'm very confident full marijuana legalization will eventually be the law in all 50 states and there won't be any negative effect on the good citizens of this country. I understand some might not agree, and that's ok too. You'll eventually see the light! :)

How many people do you believe notice homeless people, people with addictions red ant colonies. The obvious point is these so called unnoticeables when the rubber hits the road become noticeable. HIV was unnoticeable. In Des Moines Iowa in 1986-87 no one noticed that the Chicago gangs were peddling their garbage until kids stated overcrowding the emergency rooms. The states allowing legalization have yet to experience the consequences of their decision. Like many horribles this is a silent killer and over time we will all suffer fools.

without drawing judgment it has amazed me how so many people are nonchalant about this issue. there was a time that even the thought would be enough to have parents sternly respond. another clear sign of our decline.

[B767drvr]

without drawing judgment it has amazed me how so many people are nonchalant about this issue. there was a time that even the thought would be enough to have parents sternly respond. another clear sign of our decline.

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Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."

Well, I am here to apologize.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works.

Take the case of Charlotte Figi, who I met in Colorado. She started having seizures soon after birth. By age 3, she was having 300 a week, despite being on seven different medications. Medical marijuana has calmed her brain, limiting her seizures to 2 or 3 per month.

I have seen more patients like Charlotte first hand, spent time with them and come to the realization that it is irresponsible not to provide the best care we can as a medical community, care that could involve marijuana.

We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that.
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/)

[cologal]

>>

Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."

Well, I am here to apologize.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works.

Take the case of Charlotte Figi, who I met in Colorado. She started having seizures soon after birth. By age 3, she was having 300 a week, despite being on seven different medications. Medical marijuana has calmed her brain, limiting her seizures to 2 or 3 per month.

I have seen more patients like Charlotte first hand, spent time with them and come to the realization that it is irresponsible not to provide the best care we can as a medical community, care that could involve marijuana.

We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that.
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/)

Great post...the absolute best part about legal weed is that children like this are being helped.

[rubicon]

>>

Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."

Well, I am here to apologize.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works.

Take the case of Charlotte Figi, who I met in Colorado. She started having seizures soon after birth. By age 3, she was having 300 a week, despite being on seven different medications. Medical marijuana has calmed her brain, limiting her seizures to 2 or 3 per month.

I have seen more patients like Charlotte first hand, spent time with them and come to the realization that it is irresponsible not to provide the best care we can as a medical community, care that could involve marijuana.

We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that.
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/)

B767 drvr: We have no differences here. In Charlotte's case they are treating her with an oil extract from the plant that has medicinal value without the "high of" the drug. I have read about her. As to medicinal all I am saying is that the government needs to meter its use to avoid abuses, if that is possible given the opoids abuse.

What I am concerned about is that profiteers submit amendments for legal medicinal use but actually its an opening for recreational use such as amendment 2 in Florida.

I served on a board for a company who dealt with abuse and there were some young people who did nothing but smoke dope all day and all night long. i pose he question if smoking marijuana is not that enticing or addictive then why has Colorado been inundated with young people from other states? True medicinal purpose YES Legal recreational use NO because with the latter we are opening a pandora's box

[Sandtrap328]

Just Google to find out if legal medical marijuana has increased abuse of marijuana in teens. You will find out that education and regulation has proved effective in those 22 states in keeping mj abuse in teens down.

Just like same-sex marriage is an inevitable thing in all states; so is legalization of medical marijuana.

This is not 1955, Beaver Cleaver does not live in Springfield and Ward Cleaver does not wear a jacket and tie to dinner.

This is 2014, Beaver has a home in The Villages and wears a golf cap to dinner at Golden Corral. He will vote YES on Amendment 2 in November after seeing the pain endured by Ward in his last years.

[B767drvr]

True medicinal purpose YES Legal recreational use NO because with the latter we are opening a pandora's box

I've just never felt the need to lord over people. Why not let people make their own decisions in life about what's in their best interest, or even what's perhaps not in their best interest?

Perhaps not you… but why do some feel so superior that they know what's best for the rest of us? These same people (with this lord mindset) outlaw sodas of a quantity larger than "they" determine responsible. It's a continual infringement on an individual's right to live his or her life as he/she sees fit (as long as those individual choices do not impact or endanger others.)

There's very little healthy about a hamburger. Should they also be outlawed? What's healthy about alcohol or cigarettes? Should they also be outlawed by those who "know more"?

I haven't smoked pot (for the record) since college… many decades ago. I am for individual rights and free choice and see a continual erosion by "lords" who believe they know what's best for everyone.

[graciegirl]

I've just never felt the need to lord over people. Why not let people make their own decisions in life about what's in their best interest, or even what's perhaps not in their best interest?

Perhaps not you… but why do some feel so superior that they know what's best for the rest of us? These same people (with this lord mindset) outlaw sodas of a quantity larger than "they" determine responsible. It's a continual infringement on an individual's right to live his or her life as he/she sees fit (as long as those individual choices do not impact or endanger others.)

There's very little healthy about a hamburger. Should they also be outlawed? What's healthy about alcohol or cigarettes? Should they also be outlawed by those who "know more"?

I haven't smoked pot (for the record) since college… many decades ago. I am for individual rights and free choice and see a continual erosion by "lords" who believe they know what's best for everyone.

I don't feel that Rubicon lords over anybody. He has always been sincere and honest in his posts about his own beliefs.

I certainly don't know what the outcome will be, but I really doubt there are THAT many seizure prone babies who will benefit from legal marijuana. If a child is having that many seizures, the brain damage is done, and mercifully the extract from the marijuana plant will stop the seizures so their parents do not have to see them in that state. I think that those kinds of examples are overused sometimes for other purposes. But I can't prove that.

I would like to say that I used alcohol too for many years. I don't anymore. Not for religious reasons. I like being in full control of myself. It is much calmer for me to know what I am doing at all times and gives me more peace of mind. I don't dictate what others should do.

My father and grandfather were brewmasters and they told tails about prohibition. I hope I am not one of those ladies. I don't like to be seen by anyone even myself as holier than thou, because I certainly am not.

[Kahuna32162]

Kentucky Fried Chicken....extra crunchy!

[TexaninVA]

those who are of the mind set to try pot are probably also of the mind set to try other drugs as well. This does NOT mean that pot is a gateway drug. Rather, it only shows that people open to trying things, may very well do so. Saying that smoking pot LEADS to other drugs (the gateway garbage) is just that - garbage!


No, not really. It just makes some people feel better to say legalizing pot will not lead to increased addiction or dependence ... especially with a lot of young kids many of whom are unemployed (thanks to the rotten economy) and have nothing better to do anyway

[Sophie11]

new medicine - make the pill and get the prescription pads ready to treat! No it does not have to be smoked!

[TexaninVA]

redwitch: Perhaps you are correct? However some experts believe that people who are genetically pre-disposed to mental illness but would have never experienced it trigger the brain chemistry, their billions of neurons etc and create an illness they could have avoided.

This is what we think happened to my younger brother in 1972 ... his life has been a train wreck ever since, in and out of hospitals etc. He was the all American kid before that. We've always thought the pot he smoked was laced with something but no way to prove it.

[TexaninVA]

Peyton Manning did say he's selling more pizzas than ever with the law change in Colorado! :icon_hungry:

Seriously, has anyone heard of all the boogie man bad things happening in Colorado or Washington that some are predicting for Florida? Where's all the death and destruction, hospitals full of addicts, carnage on the roadways?

The truth is full legalization of marijuana won't impact anything but alcohol sales. People have wrung their hands about women voting, civil rights, gay marriage… in the end society continues. I'm very confident full marijuana legalization will eventually be the law in all 50 states and there won't be any negative effect on the good citizens of this country. I understand some might not agree, and that's ok too. You'll eventually see the light! :)

I'm very confident that your confidence is totally misplaced in terms of no negative effects.

[Sophie11]

Peyton Manning did say he's selling more pizzas than ever with the law change in Colorado! :icon_hungry:

Seriously, has anyone heard of all the boogie man bad things happening in Colorado or Washington that some are predicting for Florida? Where's all the death and destruction, hospitals full of addicts, carnage on the roadways?

The truth is full legalization of marijuana won't impact anything but alcohol sales. People have wrung their hands about women voting, civil rights, gay marriage… in the end society continues. I'm very confident full marijuana legalization will eventually be the law in all 50 states and there won't be any negative effect on the good citizens of this country. I understand some might not agree, and that's ok too. You'll eventually see the light! :)


Another frog in a pot waiting for it to boil! Think of it ….if it is to be used for medicine, then it is good and they do not need any of us to vote!!!!

[Barefoot]

Prohibition was repealed in 1933 because it became evident that making alcohol illegal led to deeper and more serious problems than if it were to be sold in a controlled environment.
:throwtomatoes: Just saying.

[PennBF]

Ah come on. Does everyone ignore that there are 28+ AA meetings a week in The Villages. There are loads of Al Non meetings and well over 100's of NA/AA meetings in the state of Florida. Those meetings are not to celebrate the fact that drugs and alcohol are great. They represent a terrible high rate of the sufferings on the family and users who use drugs. And the uninformed who testify that Pot is not a gateway drug obviously never worked in a Crisis Center or Rehab. Maybe they should ask the experts in the field who deal with these problems ever day. Maybe those that want to use Pot + should take a look at the impact it has on the family. Heck, if anyone wants to use and hurt ONLY themselves let them go and end up with some form of illness including mental (anyone heard of a fried brain?) . But for gods sake it is the kids and families that suffer and they have no right to bring that on them. It is a terrible selfish act to destroy family and kids for the sake of a QUICK HIGH!:yuck:

[kagney123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSgCeCpMOsM
This made me giggle...Just in case you need a laugh...The pot experience starts at 20:43 but found the full episode funny...Love Joan she left us too soon.....

[Villages PL]

The popular argument in favor of widespread usage of marijuana is that there are other things like smoking and drinking that are worse.

That's like saying hitting your thumb hard with a hammer is okay because getting hit on the head with a brick is worse. This is the kind of solid reasoning you can expect from the marijuana crowd.

[KeepingItReal]

The popular argument in favor of widespread usage of marijuana is that there are other things like smoking and drinking that are worse.

That's like saying hitting your thumb hard with a hammer is okay because getting hit on the head with a brick is worse. This is the kind of solid reasoning you can expect from the marijuana crowd.


:BigApplause: Way to go VPL good point. People that don't partake are supposed to just overlook and live with all the negatives of its use so a few can indulge.

Video explains it well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw

[rubicon]

I've just never felt the need to lord over people. Why not let people make their own decisions in life about what's in their best interest, or even what's perhaps not in their best interest?

Perhaps not you… but why do some feel so superior that they know what's best for the rest of us? These same people (with this lord mindset) outlaw sodas of a quantity larger than "they" determine responsible. It's a continual infringement on an individual's right to live his or her life as he/she sees fit (as long as those individual choices do not impact or endanger others.)

There's very little healthy about a hamburger. Should they also be outlawed? What's healthy about alcohol or cigarettes? Should they also be outlawed by those who "know more"?

I haven't smoked pot (for the record) since college… many decades ago. I am for individual rights and free choice and see a continual erosion by "lords" who believe they know what's best for everyone.

B767 drvr: We are a nations of laws. While I do not intend to go political here our government has us so tied up in regulations we are all tripping over each other and so to refuse legalization of marijuana in comparison to the aforementioned is well ....................... .

It seems some people want to pick and chose what their laws.

I have never smoked marijuana but I have seen first hand the adverse affects.

Again opioids were produced to alleviate pain and we have an epidemic. Many companies nationwide are dealing with loss of productivity increase expenses, because of drugs and now we are going to add one more legal drug

We live in a nation that has food police and people who actually show contempt to people they view obese , etc,, not to forget how cigarette smokers are being treated as if they were criminals Isn't their far more justification for fighting again ILLEGAL RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA because of fear for the safety people and taxes of citizens that will be adversely affected if such legal use is allowed?

People will say there is/ will not be a demonstrable difference I pray God they are right but it took a while to determine that we had an opiod epidemic.

I do appreciate and respect your opinion and actually believe we are not that far apart

Personal Best Regards:

[B767drvr]

I do appreciate and respect your opinion and actually believe we are not that far apart

Personal Best Regards:

Rubicon… you're one of my favorites! :D

I mostly enjoy the neurological challenge of the banter… but the moderation really restricts the flow of ideas down to barely more than who prefers what color of balloon, and are candles festive. :ohdear:

It would be boring, however, if we all agreed with each other all of the time.

Always best wishes…


(PS… my limited interaction with pot was just as Joan Rivers in the link… an hour of absolutely gut-busting laughter, a pepperoni pizza, and a good night's sleep with no hangover. Your mileage may vary… NONE of my college friends who smoked pot flunked out, became drug addicts, abused altar boys… oops, should we go there?… all raised children and became productive members of society… a couple of doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers, real-estate developers, etc…)

As I said, we won't all agree on this, and I think a lot of it is generational. Most of the Lawrence Welk and Johnny Carson crowd feel one way, and the Jay Leno, Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy Fallon crowd feel the other way. The polls bear this out. Sorry, but guess what's coming…?? ;)

[B767drvr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSgCeCpMOsM
This made me giggle...Just in case you need a laugh...The pot experience starts at 20:43 but found the full episode funny...Love Joan she left us too soon.....

Almost forgot to thank you for that hysterical clip! :1rotfl:

Thank you for posting that kagney!