Arrests in historic area of TV

[gerryann]

Three residents of the Historic Side of the Villages were arrested Wednesday after complaints from Villagers about illegal activity.
The arrests were made by the Lady Lake Police Department and Lake County Sheriff’s Office.
Drug detection K-9s and laser speed enforcement were among some of the techniques utilized during this operation, said Lady Lake Police Chief Chris McKinstry. Three illegal/modified/altered golf carts were impounded during the operation, the chief added.
Complete story is in the online village newspaper with addresses and pictures of the unsavory characters that were arrested.

[Chi-Town]

This guy (Wagner) must have had a tough 40 years.


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[rubicon]

Village residents or village renters?

[Bogie Shooter]

All three mug shots just look so remorseful. I hope these actions take them off the street.

[gerryann]

All three are residents......not renters

[rubicon]

All three are residents......not renters

Thank you Gerryann such a sorry situation

[DigitalGranny]

All I have is the mobile app for the Sun. Is it on there? How do I find the story, please?

[redwitch]

Um, renters aren't residents?

[kstew43]

https://www.facebook.com/TheVillagesNews?fref=nf

facebook villages news......they tell you all the real stuff that happens in the villages......not just the fluffy stuff that comes in the villages paper.... newspaper.

[billethkid]

Um, renters aren't residents?

thank you....my question as well.

[billethkid]

https://www.facebook.com/TheVillagesNews?fref=nf

facebook villages news......they tell you all the real stuff that happens in the villages......not just the fluffy stuff that comes in the villages paper.... newspaper.

and Facebook is a plethora of indisputible fact ......eh?

[Bogie Shooter]

https://www.facebook.com/TheVillagesNews?fref=nf

facebook villages news......they tell you all the real stuff that happens in the villages......not just the fluffy stuff that comes in the villages paper.... newspaper.

Substitute sleeze for "real stuff".
BTW if you don't like the fluffy stuff.........don't read the Daily Sun.

[njbchbum]

My limited research indicates that Privada Dr is not in the historic section; but the house at that address lists an older couple in their 70s as the owners; this Wagner might be their son? If so, would seem that losers live in other villages neighborhoods, too!

Records do not show either of the residents of Teakwood Lane as owners of #2795 - so they must be renters?

[onslowe]

Can someone tell me if the 80/20 rule as to age refers to the property owners or to the occupiers (renters, owners)?

I am serious. I don't know, but the parade of under 55 yr old arrestees over the past year here does lead me to ask this question.

No flamethrowing needed, just civil discussion please. Thanks everyone. :)

[gerryann]

Um, renters aren't residents?

Don't know...only answering rubicons question.

[Didiwinbob]

Onslowe- I have noticed the people being arrested are under 50 yrs. not liking this

[sunnyatlast]

Well, some criticized in another thread that the developer buying up 40+ dilapidated, tear-down homes in TV's original section, and building new villas and ranch/cottage homes on them (for around $200,000) would price lower income people out of TV.

If the tear-down, dilapidated homes are left there, it will only attract more of a bad element like the ones arrested, it seems to me. I don't think you can have it both ways. It's either tear down and revitalize, or let the area go downhill with more of the likes of these arrestees attracted to the lower prices/rent on the run-down properties.

[Rango]

Out on $2000 Bail.

[Advogado]

[QUOTE=onslowe;950728]Can someone tell me if the 80/20 rule as to age refers to the property owners or to the occupiers (renters, owners)?


The law is explained here. Complying with the 80% rule enables us to discriminate against families with children under the age of 18. Otherwise, such discrimination is illegal.

Senior Housing - HUD (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/seniors)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My limited research indicates that Privada Dr is not in the historic section; but the house at that address lists an older couple in their 70s as the owners; this Wagner might be their son? If so, would seem that losers live in other villages neighborhoods, too!

Records do not show either of the residents of Teakwood Lane as owners of #2795 - so they must be renters?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the arrests happened in the historic district. In fact, I think that I witnessed them. I was driving my golf cart on Wednesday and noticed several police cars in the area. As I went across Shay, I saw three or four police cars that had two golf carts pulled over. A few bystanders were standing by watching. I didn't go down to see what was going on but it looked very peculiar to me. As I made my way over to the golf cart bridge, I saw three or four more police cars driving around. They were both Lady Lake and County Sheriff cars.

I've been saying for a while now that there is a group of people here that are frightening. The police know who they are and have been slowly getting them off the streets. I believe that the people in the sex on the utility box were part of this group.The people who stole the beer from the Circle K and the ones who stole the golf clubs from the Circle K parking lot are also part of the same group that also includes the people running the golf cart chop shop.

The police went through a lot to get these folks. According to the article, Drug detection K-9s and laser speed enforcement were among some of the techniques utilized during this operation. Two of the people were arrested for driving without a license. How many times have you heard of people being arrested for that. It's usually a ticket and they tow your car. And that seems like an awful lot of police work for driving without a license.

The other guy was nabbed for a gun violation and drug possession while on probation. He's probably in big trouble.

The other thing that was mentioned was that the arrests were prompted by complaints from residents in this area of illegal activity.

We have a criminal gang operating here and it's good to see that the police are taking action to eliminate them.

[GatorFan]

I must have missed something. What were they doing that caused someone to call the police. Charged with driving on suspended license? Had a gun in the house? Not trying to be smart or anything. Just wondering why someone called the police?

[janmcn]

I must have missed something. What were they doing that caused someone to call the police. Charged with driving on suspended license? Had a gun in the house? Not trying to be smart or anything. Just wondering why someone called the police?

Stolen golf carts, other complaints lead to Villages police operation - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_9aa6280c-a226-5f2f-b250-9d4128203f86.html)

It sounds like this group had been under surveillance by the police after numerous complaints by neighbors.

[Bigben007]

Can someone tell me if the 80/20 rule as to age refers to the property owners or to the occupiers (renters, owners)?

I am serious. I don't know, but the parade of under 55 yr old arrestees over the past year here does lead me to ask this question.

No flamethrowing needed, just civil discussion please. Thanks everyone. :)

I wonder the same thing. Most of the DUI's and other arrest have been under 55.

[Chatbrat]

I always get a boot of people who disparage renters, if you have a mortgage you're a renter,too---the bank is your landlord

[onslowe]

[QUOTE=onslowe;950728]Can someone tell me if the 80/20 rule as to age refers to the property owners or to the occupiers (renters, owners)?


The law is explained here. Complying with the 80% rule enables us to discriminate against families with children under the age of 18. Otherwise, such discrimination is illegal.

Senior Housing - HUD (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/seniors)

Thanks sincerely Avogado. It did answer the question I had. The HUD rules involve 80% of the 'occupiers' of houses, not title owners. Unfortunately, that leaves me with a bad feeling as to the possible abuse of the rule via unchecked rentals.

And those who feel better helping and defending the downtrodden renters from their armchairs, go ahead and have at it. I just know what I bought into and relied upon and agreed to.

[Challenger]

I always get a boot of people who disparage renters, if you have a mortgage you're a renter,too---the bank is your landlord

Not so!:shrug:

[Advogado]

[quote=Advogado;951260]

Thanks sincerely Avogado. It did answer the question I had. The HUD rules involve 80% of the 'occupiers' of houses, not title owners. Unfortunately, that leaves me with a bad feeling as to the possible abuse of the rule via unchecked rentals.

And those who feel better helping and defending the downtrodden renters from their armchairs, go ahead and have at it. I just know what I bought into and relied upon and agreed to.
I don't think that we are in danger of having more than 20% of the houses without at least one occupant 55 or over. In fact, I don't personally know of any-- although, in theory, it could happen some day. It is a specter that Blechman raises in his attack book, Leisureville. I think that it is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future, however.

[jbdlfan]

[quote=onslowe;951380]
I don't think that we are in danger of having more than 20% of the houses without at least one occupant 55 or over. In fact, I don't personally know of any-- although, in theory, it could happen some day. It is a specter that Blechman raises in his attack book, Leisureville. I think that it is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future, however.

I know at least 15 homes OWNED by individuals under 55. Me being one. As far as the culprits being under 50 lately, it is more telling that they are renters than that of their age. Us that are owners of that age, tend to be more concerned about our community than those that don't. I have been a renter here as well as an owner, but in both cases, we took care of ourselves and our home as if we did in fact own it. Sadly, not always the case.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I always get a boot of people who disparage renters, if you have a mortgage you're a renter,too---the bank is your landlord

That's simply not true. If you have a mortgage, you, not the bank owns the house. If you fail to pay the bank, they have a right to sue to take your property in lieu of repayment of the mortgage. That is a huge difference.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wonder the same thing. Most of the DUI's and other arrest have been under 55.

Records are kept by The Villages. They have access to that information through the amenities fees and every person that buys a home or rents signs a disclosure form and an agreement. It is part of the closing procedure.

The law reads that 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. It's entirely possible for 4/5 of the residents here to be under 55 and still be in compliance with the law.

I think that if you look at police records in general, fewer crimes are committed by older people.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

[quote=Advogado;951429]

I know at least 15 homes OWNED by individuals under 55. Me being one. As far as the culprits being under 50 lately, it is more telling that they are renters than that of their age. Us that are owners of that age, tend to be more concerned about our community than those that don't. I have been a renter here as well as an owner, but in both cases, we took care of ourselves and our home as if we did in fact own it. Sadly, not always the case.

I think that you make a very good point that we should not be painting all renters or all people under 55 with a broad brush. There are good and bad in every age group. I hate to see all of the good renters or good people under the age of 55 get marked because of these few idiots.

[TheVillageChicken]

Back in Rooster Poot, I lived near a section that had many elderly home owners when I bought. By the time I left, these homes belonged to heirs who either sold them cheap or rented them out...also cheap. As a result, it became "a neighborhood in transition."
HUD was paying a lot of the rents. Property values dropped and crime went up. Maybe this is what has happened in the historic side of TV.

[onslowe]

That is exactly my point. I am sure all of us may know one or maybe several residents under 55. With all due respect, that means very very little. I know at least fifteen reported arrests in the Villages involving well under 55 year old persons. But consider for a moment, if you know at least fifteen, and others throughout the Villages 'know at least fifteen', isnt that something that could, not 'does', could destroy the 80/20 proportion we relied upon?

My point is the observable incidents of the latter age group as residents here being arrested. I observe many many young people here on Villages roads in golf carts with grocery bags. I observe many young people arriving at Villages restaurants and stores in golf carts.

Please don't tell me they are all 'visiting' the folks. Please do not tell me that if one inherits a property in an age restricted area the HUD 80/20 rule, supposedly followed by the developer, magically disappears.

Village Chicken's scenario above is worthy of consideration. My concern is for my investment, my property value. My concern is for the bargain I made and the representations and rules I relied upon.

Maybe there is no procedure in place here to monitor 80/20 rule adherence with those who rent.

And I'll say the politically incorrect but very true fact of life. It's not about 'renters' it's rather about the type of 'renter.' You know, resumes, references, jobs etc.

[manaboutown]

Back in Rooster Poot, I lived near a section that had many elderly home owners when I bought. By the time I left, these homes belonged to heirs who either sold them cheap or rented them out...also cheap. As a result, it became "a neighborhood in transition."
HUD was paying a lot of the rents. Property values dropped and crime went up. Maybe this is what has happened in the historic side of TV.

Remember in "Breaking Bad" how Jesse inherits his grandmother's house and he and Walt set up a meth lab in it? That type thing can and does happen these days all over the country. Now I appreciate it was just a fictional television show but I know where that house is in Albuquerque. It is in an old and very exclusive neighborhood near the Albuquerque Country Club. My hope is that neighbors all over The Villages remain alert about what goes on in their neighborhood, especially when owners pass on or rent to unvetted tenants.

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/meth-lab-map/

[NJMartha]

My question as well, renters aren't residents ? Ummm.

[downeaster]

That is exactly my point. I am sure all of us may know one or maybe several residents under 55. With all due respect, that means very very little. I know at least fifteen reported arrests in the Villages involving well under 55 year old persons. But consider for a moment, if you know at least fifteen, and others throughout the Villages 'know at least fifteen', isnt that something that could, not 'does', could destroy the 80/20 proportion we relied upon?

My point is the observable incidents of the latter age group as residents here being arrested. I observe many many young people here on Villages roads in golf carts with grocery bags. I observe many young people arriving at Villages restaurants and stores in golf carts.

Please don't tell me they are all 'visiting' the folks. Please do not tell me that if one inherits a property in an age restricted area the HUD 80/20 rule, supposedly followed by the developer, magically disappears.

Village Chicken's scenario above is worthy of consideration. My concern is for my investment, my property value. My concern is for the bargain I made and the representations and rules I relied upon.

Maybe there is no procedure in place here to monitor 80/20 rule adherence with those who rent.

And I'll say the politically incorrect but very true fact of life. It's not about 'renters' it's rather about the type of 'renter.' You know, resumes, references, jobs etc.

You may find it helpful if you refer to the law regarding senior living.

http://www.floridahousinglaw.com/pdfs/housing_older_persons.pdf

Based on some research I have done, I am satisfied our CCD management is fully aware of their responsibility regarding this law and they are taking necessary steps to stay in compliance.

BTW, onslowe, I am intrigued by your name. Any connection to "Keeping Up Appearances"?

[Uberschaf]

Doesn't 20% of 100k= 20k?

[GatorFan]

I saw nothing in paper about them being charged with stolen golf carts.

[sunnyatlast]

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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

That is exactly my point. I am sure all of us may know one or maybe several residents under 55. With all due respect, that means very very little. I know at least fifteen reported arrests in the Villages involving well under 55 year old persons. But consider for a moment, if you know at least fifteen, and others throughout the Villages 'know at least fifteen', isnt that something that could, not 'does', could destroy the 80/20 proportion we relied upon?

My point is the observable incidents of the latter age group as residents here being arrested. I observe many many young people here on Villages roads in golf carts with grocery bags. I observe many young people arriving at Villages restaurants and stores in golf carts.

Please don't tell me they are all 'visiting' the folks. Please do not tell me that if one inherits a property in an age restricted area the HUD 80/20 rule, supposedly followed by the developer, magically disappears.

Village Chicken's scenario above is worthy of consideration. My concern is for my investment, my property value. My concern is for the bargain I made and the representations and rules I relied upon.

Maybe there is no procedure in place here to monitor 80/20 rule adherence with those who rent.

And I'll say the politically incorrect but very true fact of life. It's not about 'renters' it's rather about the type of 'renter.' You know, resumes, references, jobs etc.

There is a procedure in place to monitor the 80/20 rule. It is mandated by federal law. Do you think that The Villages would risk losing their over 55 status by not keeping proper records?

And I will repeat this once again. Read the law and do a little simple math. Out of 100,000 residents, only 20,000 need to be over 55 in order to comply with the law.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Doesn't 20% of 100k= 20k?

The law reads that at least 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one resident over the age of 55. If there are four people living in a home, only one has to be over 55 in order to comply and that is only in 80% of the homes. The rest of the homes could have four people under 55 living in them.

As the villages exists now and using round numbers, there are approximately, 60,000 homes. Eighty percent must have one person over the age of 55 residing in them. That would be a total of 48,000 people over the age of 55 to be in compliance with the law. If all of the homes that four people living in them that would be 240,000 people 48,000 of whom were over the age of 55. That would be only 20% of the residents.

I'm not saying that that is the case, I only present this to show the most extreme example.

It seems that a lot of people misinterpret the law to meant that 80% of all residents must be over 55. Not true by a long shot.

[Schaumburger]

The law reads that at least 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one resident over the age of 55. If there are four people living in a home, only one has to be over 55 in order to comply and that is only in 80% of the homes. The rest of the homes could have four people under 55 living in them.

As the villages exists now and using round numbers, there are approximately, 60,000 homes. Eighty percent must have one person over the age of 55 residing in them. That would be a total of 48,000 people over the age of 55 to be in compliance with the law. If all of the homes that four people living in them that would be 240,000 people 48,000 of whom were over the age of 55. That would be only 20% of the residents.

I'm not saying that that is the case, I only present this to show the most extreme example.

It seems that a lot of people misinterpret the law to meant that 80% of all residents must be over 55. Not true by a long shot.

Thank you for posting that explanation of the "80%" rule.

[graciegirl]

Extreme examples of poor citizenship and lives with bad choices that impact others negatively are available all over The Villages, certainly not just in the original section. Someone pointed out that children may have inherited land there and are not involved or even interested landlords. If property values go up in the original section, that will help the change for the better

I hope I will not be flamed. Most of us worked hard and planned carefully to invest in a place that we felt was reasonably safe to live. I hope the developer continues to buy properties and build on them in the original section.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

[Sandtrap328]

Extreme examples of poor citizenship and lives with bad choices that impact others negatively are available all over The Villages, certainly not just in the original section. Someone pointed out that children may have inherited land there and are not involved or even interested landlords. If property values go up in the original section, that will help the change for the better

I hope I will not be flamed. Most of us worked hard and planned carefully to invest in a place that we felt was reasonably safe to live. I hope the developer continues to buy properties and build on them in the original section.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

Absolutely right!

The Developer will do what is best for the community. He has the business acumen to know what is best and how to make it work to the fullest.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Extreme examples of poor citizenship and lives with bad choices that impact others negatively are available all over The Villages, certainly not just in the original section. Someone pointed out that children may have inherited land there and are not involved or even interested landlords. If property values go up in the original section, that will help the change for the better

I hope I will not be flamed. Most of us worked hard and planned carefully to invest in a place that we felt was reasonably safe to live. I hope the developer continues to buy properties and build on them in the original section.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

It's funny, but the exact opposite has happened in a house across the street from me. The owner died before I moved in and the house was empty, but it seemed to be very well maintained. The lawn was cut once a week in the summer and other work was done. One day some people were living there. I found out that the owner had left the house to his niece with the proviso that it remain in the family. They are from up north, (Michigan, I think) and she doesn't like Florida (hard to believe that there are people like that). She and her boyfriend come down for a few weeks every winter and once in a while some other family members stay for a week or so. The thing that has me amazed is how much money they are putting into this old manufactured home. The have completely redone the inside and put an addition on. They added a golf cart garage and extended the driveway to go around the back. Now they are widening that section of driveway. They have had the old driveway finished with some kind of textured material that I was told cost $20 per square foot.
The house is one of the best maintained in the neighborhood.

So the owners dying and the kids letting it go happens but not always.

And Like Gracie said, I see that there are abandoned homes and foreclosures in other sections of The Villages as well.

[kstew43]

I saw nothing in paper about them being charged with stolen golf carts.

that was the last set of arrests, I believe happened last month, on Tarrson...I think..

Different set of bad guys/gals.....

[Buffalo Jim]

Extreme examples of poor citizenship and lives with bad choices that impact others negatively are available all over The Villages, certainly not just in the original section. Someone pointed out that children may have inherited land there and are not involved or even interested landlords. If property values go up in the original section, that will help the change for the better

I hope I will not be flamed. Most of us worked hard and planned carefully to invest in a place that we felt was reasonably safe to live. I hope the developer continues to buy properties and build on them in the original section.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

As always Ms. Gracie you are a " Voice of Reason " and good common sense .
No " flaming " from this direction ; only admiration and a big thank-you . :024::wave::wave:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I saw nothing in paper about them being charged with stolen golf carts.

The article did state that two golf carts were impounded. Maybe they impounded them until they could determine ownership. If stopped by the police, how do you prove that you own the golf cart that you are driving.

There are no registrations or in some cases bills of sale. Many people sell their home with a golf cart included. I don't think that I have any ownership papers for my cart. I supposed innocent until proven guilty would apply. If you are in possession of the cart it would be up to the police to prove that you don't own it. They probably can't impound a golf cart unless you are arrested for some other crime.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

that was the last set of arrests, I believe happened last month, on Tarrson...I think..

Different set of bad guys/gals.....

True, but living over here and seeing different people together and various activities going on, I strongly suspect that they are connected.

I believe that the police know who they are and understand the connections as well. It's apparent to many of us on this side that the police are going to harass these people and landlords that rent to them until they leave.

[Advogado]

The law reads that at least 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one resident over the age of 55. If there are four people living in a home, only one has to be over 55 in order to comply and that is only in 80% of the homes. The rest of the homes could have four people under 55 living in them.

As the villages exists now and using round numbers, there are approximately, 60,000 homes. Eighty percent must have one person over the age of 55 residing in them. That would be a total of 48,000 people over the age of 55 to be in compliance with the law. If all of the homes that four people living in them that would be 240,000 people 48,000 of whom were over the age of 55. That would be only 20% of the residents.

I'm not saying that that is the case, I only present this to show the most extreme example.

It seems that a lot of people misinterpret the law to meant that 80% of all residents must be over 55. Not true by a long shot.

Exactly. As I indicated in an earlier post, there is almost no chance of The Villages running afoul of the 80% rule in the foreseeable future. Certainly not within the life expectancies of those of us who are already over 55.