A very clear understanding of GMO issues

[lightworker888]

Thought I would share this very good short interview with Jeffrey Smith who speaks directly to the gov'ts regarding GMO's. It is a clear current understanding of the issues of GMO's for our health and the health of our children and grandchildren, not to mention the planet. It is well worth listening and sharing as the more we learn and share the more we can be part of the solution rather than add to the problem.

LW888





Jeffrey M Smith GMO Interview Outside The Box - YouTube

[graciegirl]

Agronomy Department, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida – Plant Breeding, Genetics & Genomics (http://agronomy.ifas.ufl.edu/research/breeding-genetics-genomics/)

[lightworker888]

There is a difference between plant breeding and GMO creating. Plant breeding has gone on for a long time. It is the crossing of genes from other sources that creates the problem, eg. adding insecticide to the plant seeds so that they are RoundUp ready. The insecticide gets into the crop and then into us and we are not designed to handle an overload of "foreign" materials. So the body uses its energy to combat all these added toxins and our immune system gets overloaded and can't cope with that it was designed to cope with. This can lead to auto immune disorders, as the body has difficulty distinguishing what needs to be dealt with and what is suppose to be there. This is a very simplistic example but I think you get the idea. I certainly am not against good sound genetic studies to enhance our food and our being.


LW888

[graciegirl]

There is a difference between plant breeding and GMO creating. Plant breeding has gone on for a long time. It is the crossing of genes from other sources that creates the problem, eg. adding insecticide to the plant seeds so that they are RoundUp ready. The insecticide gets into the crop and then into us and we are not designed to handle an overload of "foreign" materials. So the body uses its energy to combat all these added toxins and our immune system gets overloaded and can't cope with that it was designed to cope with. This can lead to auto immune disorders, as the body has difficulty distinguishing what needs to be dealt with and what is suppose to be there. This is a very simplistic example but I think you get the idea. I certainly am not against good sound genetic studies to enhance our food and our being.


LW888


A very good description that has widened my view. Thank you for you patience with me.

[Villages PL]

There is a difference between plant breeding and GMO creating. Plant breeding has gone on for a long time. It is the crossing of genes from other sources that creates the problem, eg. adding insecticide to the plant seeds so that they are RoundUp ready. The insecticide gets into the crop and then into us and we are not designed to handle an overload of "foreign" materials. So the body uses its energy to combat all these added toxins and our immune system gets overloaded and can't cope with that it was designed to cope with. This can lead to auto immune disorders, as the body has difficulty distinguishing what needs to be dealt with and what is suppose to be there. This is a very simplistic example but I think you get the idea. I certainly am not against good sound genetic studies to enhance our food and our being.


LW888

What a coincidence, I just went to a lecture by a nutritionist/doctor and he said something similar, which I had never heard before. He said some plant seeds for wheat are coated with roundup and that some of it gets into the end product.

[cattywampus]

What a coincidence, I just went to a lecture by a nutritionist/doctor and he said something similar, which I had never heard before. He said some plant seeds for wheat are coated with roundup insecticide and that some of the insecticide gets into the end product.

Along with Wheat we can ADD Corn and Soybeans.

Important.
..."Bt" Bacillus Thuringiensis Toxin is added to the GMO seeds.
This destroys the guts of Bugs and Kills the Bugs.

This toxin is NOT expelled from OUR Bodies.
It builds up.

GUESS WHAT...It is now found that Gastro and Intestinal Tracts of Humans.
In MY Humble Opinion. WE are being Poisoned .
.
Humans now having Major problems with Gut Bleed and Upper and
Lower Esophagus and Stomach, etc..
SURPRISE----SUPRISE

[lightworker888]

And the company that maks and promotes this type f mdificatio is Monsanto. And the ead lawyer for Monsanto is now the head of the FDA so you can imagine what his paradigm is, as well as his belief system. So that is why I speak out about Monsanto and say that you have to do your own research and don't assume that because it is sold in the stores, that it is "healthy" or OK for you. And the other big corporations are like Bayer and Nestles are doingthe same thing. I just read tthat Monsanto owns one quarter of the world supply of crop seed and Bayer and I thn3 other corporatins own another two thirds, so there is only a sliver left of the worlds supply that is nnot controlled by BIG AGRI. I will try to find the info and will post it for those interested.


LW888

[lightworker888]

I found the info about the Monsanto seeds that I needed to share. Buying organic is really a necessity not just an option as far as I'm concerned. We are fortunate that we can access organic at Publix as well as grass fed beef. Looking for organic chicken to avoid the corn fed ones as so much of the feed is GMO corn. Also We do not eat any soy products as I don't think there is any soy that is not GMO except if it is labeled as non GMO. It is interesting that when the issue of labelling came up, the big corp. didn't want to do it so the ones that wanted labelling started to label the products as non GMO! At least the consumer now can tell what they are getting. Here's the info.


Don't allow the use of terminator seeds. | SumOfUs (http://action.sumofus.org/a/brazil-terminator-seeds/4/2/?sub=fb)

LW888

[Villages PL]

What about the steel-cut oats I buy at Aldi's? I wonder if that's safe to eat. I don't think the product is labeled organic.

[NotGolfer]

I went the the same "talk" another poster mentioned here. Big Agra and Big Pharma are in cahoots together with their lobbyests. So HUGE money makers. For some years now I've been doing a bunch of reading and agree with how our "processed" foods are not our friend (this goes for "gluten-free" processed as well). I would say avoid ALL grains as they all have factors that our bodies really don't digest well. If you have any autoimmune disease(s)...such as diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, thyroid issues, adrenal issues and more...these are caused by bodily inflammations. It's what we put into our bodies that cause the inflammations in many cases---that and enviromental causes as well. Eat simply and you can heal your bodies in time.

[rubicon]

The difficulty I am having with what was espoused in the video was that the speaker seem to blame all disease on gmo's and that is unrealistic. Immune related diseases have been around since the beginning of time. Its a broad brush and remain a bystander waiting for more convincing evidence. Beside labeling here needs substantial improvement but will come at a very large cost to consumers

[KeepingItReal]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Villages PL View Post
What a coincidence, I just went to a lecture by a nutritionist/doctor and he said something similar, which I had never heard before. He said some plant seeds for wheat are coated with roundup insecticide and that some of the insecticide gets into the end product.


Roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide/insecticide.....who was this lecturer? Would cause any of his information to be questionable if he doesn't know this..

Selective herbicides are used on every golf course and most likely at some time every yard in the Villages. Selective in that it kills the weeds and not the grass.

[Villages PL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Villages PL View Post
What a coincidence, I just went to a lecture by a nutritionist/doctor and he said something similar, which I had never heard before. He said some plant seeds for wheat are coated with roundup insecticide and that some of the insecticide gets into the end product.


Roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide/insecticide.....who was this lecturer? Would cause any of his information to be questionable if he doesn't know this..

That was my fault, not his. I went back and deleted the word insecticide before you posted. If you had clicked the quote button the word insecticide wouldn't have been there. But, evidently, you copied everything from someone who posted yesterday. I know Roundup is a herbicide, I just mistakenly typed in the word pesticide.

[KeepingItReal]

That was my fault, not his. I went back and deleted the word insecticide before you posted. If you had clicked the quote button the word insecticide wouldn't have been there. But, evidently, you copied everything from someone who posted yesterday. I know Roundup is a herbicide, I just mistakenly typed in the word pesticide.

Who was this lecturer? Would like to review his info...

[KeepingItReal]

[QUOTE=lightworker888;950899]Thought I would share this very good short interview with Jeffrey Smith who speaks directly to the gov'ts regarding GMO's. It is a clear current understanding of the issues of GMO's for our health and the health of our children and grandchildren, not to mention the planet. It is well worth listening and sharing as the more we learn and share the more we can be part of the solution rather than add to the problem.

LW888

Some important information about Jeffrey Smith's credentials or lack of to discuss this important subject. As someone that has raised corn and wheat it would almost be impossible now without the developments made in crop management and no till which saves on costs and also saves our soil from erosion.


This excerpt is from the article at the link below:

Anti-GMO Scientist Gilles-Eric Seralini, Activist Jeffrey Smith Withdraw from Food Biotech Debate - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/05/29/anti-gmo-scientist-gilles-eric-seralini-activist-jeffrey-smith-withdraw-from-food-biotech-debate/)



Oz often characterizes Smith as a “scientist.” However his employment history reflects no formal training in any aspect of science, let alone biotechnology. Keith Kloor, who writes a respected blog for Discover, refers to him as a prototypical purveyor of pseudo-science. “He is the equivalent of an anti-vaccine leader, someone who is quite successful in spreading fear and false information,” Kloor writes.



From the comments section of the article at the link above.

Farming is not magic. It requires the use of pesticides. Organic farmers heavily use pesticides, such as the spraying of Bt–the same chemical incorporated into Bt cotton in India, for example. All farming, organic and conventional, requires crop management. The use of chemicals, natural or synthetic, can result in resistance. Farmers have been addressing this issue, successfully, for 60 years or more. Well before Roundup (glyphosate) was paired with biotechnology, it was used in agriculture. It’s been tested by many international oversight groups including the EPA and been found to be an extremely mild pesticides and biodegradable. Glyphosate has a United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Toxicity Class of III (on a I to IV scale, where IV is least dangerous) for oral and inhalation exposure. Epidemiological studies have found no associations between long term exposure to glyphosate and any disease. he EPA considers glyphosate to be noncarcinogenic and relatively low in dermal and oral acute toxicity.[48] The EPA considered a “worst case” dietary risk model of an individual eating a lifetime of food derived entirely from glyphosate-sprayed fields with residues at their maximum levels. This model indicated that no adverse health effects would be expected under such conditions, No pesticides is “environmentally friendly” and Monsanto has not made that claim. In comparative terms, however, glyphosate is as close to a miracle pesticide as is on the market today. Monsanto has not been successfully sued for misleading consumers about its biodegradibility. When glyphosate comes into contact with the soil, it can be rapidly bound to soil particles and be inactivated. Unbound glyphosate can be degraded by bacteria. Glyphosate and its degradation product, aminomethylphosphonate (AMPA), residues are considered to be much more toxicologically and environmentally benign than most of the herbicides replaced by glyphosate.

Here are a few resources so you can educate yourself instead of spouting nonsense:

Williams, Amy Lavin; Watson, Rebecca E.; DeSesso, John M. (1 January 2012). “Developmental and Reproductive Outcomes in Humans and Animals After Glyphosate Exposure: A Critical Analysis”. Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part B 15 (1): 39–96. doi:10.1080/10937404.2012.632361

Balthazor, Terry M.; Hallas, Laurence E. (1986). “Glyphosate-Degrading Microorganisms from Industrial Activated Sludge”. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 51 (2): 432–4. PMC 238888. PMID 16346999

Cerdeira, Antonio L.; Duke, Stephen O. (1 January 2010). “Effects of glyphosate-resistant crop cultivation on soil and water quality”. GM Crops 1 (1): 16–24. doi:10.4161/gmcr.1.1.9404



From this USDA web link:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/ofp/ofp.shtml

Organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides. (MOST BUT NOT ALL CONVENTIONAL PESTICIDES)

[shcisamax]

Take a look at the positions in government that Monsanto lobbyists hold.

The following info-graphic gives a few examples of the revolving door between Monsanto and the United States government:

Unfortunately, the graph doesn't copy. However, here is the link: Monsanto Controls both the White House and the US Congress | Global Research (http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-controls-both-the-white-house-and-the-us-congress/5336422)

Scroll down a bit to see it which is alarming at the very least and then read:

While there are numerous points of overlap between Monsanto and the United States Government under the Obama administration, the three most important connections are that of Michael Taylor, Roger, Beachy, and Islam Siddiqui—all three of these Monsanto affiliates were appointed to high level positions within the government by the Obama administration.

The Obama administration appointed Michael Taylor, the previous vice president of Monsanto and a current Monsanto lobbyist, to a high level advisory role at the Food and Drug Administration [FDA]. It is virtually inarguable that this appointment constitutes a massive boon for Monsanto and an undeniable conflict of interest for Taylor. Given the fact that Taylor is a lobbyist for Monsanto and is being paid by the agro-giant, it is reasonable to assume that his advice to the FDA is focused upon helping his employer reduce its regulatory burden and improve its profitability. It isn’t a secret who Taylor worked for and we can assume that the Obama administration knew who they were appointing when they did it.

Roger Beachy, the Director of the Danforth Plant Science Center (a Monsanto organization), was appointed by the Obama administration as the Director of the USDA’s National Institute of Food and Agriculture. NIFA is a department of the USDA which focuses on funding research and innovation in the field of agriculture as well developing more efficient ways to produce food. As the major grant-writing division of the USDA, the NIFA department has the ability to grant or reject agricultural research grants. By giving Beachy the Directorship of the NIFA, the Obama administration gave a Monsanto associate the most powerful position in the organization which allocates agricultural research grants. Needless to say, this appointment is a great boon for Monsanto and bad news for any group which disagrees with the agri-business giant.

Islam Siddiqui, a Monsanto lobbyist, was appointed to the post of Agriculture Trade Representative by the Obama administration. Trade representative are tasked with promoting trade of goods within their appointed field (ex. Agricultural trade reps promote the export of American crops). As Monsanto has a controlling interest in American corn production, the appointment of a Monsanto lobbyist to the position of trade representative is a large boon for the corporation. Siddiqui’s government job is to promote the export of American crops and his Monsanto job is to promote the sale of Monsanto crops—it is undeniable that these two jobs present a conflict of interest and will only lead to Siddiqui representing Monsanto’s interests as though they are the interests of the United State

[KeepingItReal]

Take a look at the positions in government that Monsanto lobbyists hold.

The following info-graphic gives a few examples of the revolving door between Monsanto and the United States government:

Unfortunately, the graph doesn't copy. However, here is the link: Monsanto Controls both the White House and the US Congress | Global Research (http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-controls-both-the-white-house-and-the-us-congress/5336422)

Scroll down a bit to see it which is alarming at the very least and then read:

While there are numerous points of overlap between Monsanto and the United States Government under the Obama administration, the three most important connections are that of Michael Taylor, Roger, Beachy, and Islam Siddiqui—all three of these Monsanto affiliates were appointed to high level positions within the government by the Obama administration.

The Obama administration appointed Michael Taylor, the previous vice president of Monsanto and a current Monsanto lobbyist, to a high level advisory role at the Food and Drug Administration [FDA]. It is virtually inarguable that this appointment constitutes a massive boon for Monsanto and an undeniable conflict of interest for Taylor. Given the fact that Taylor is a lobbyist for Monsanto and is being paid by the agro-giant, it is reasonable to assume that his advice to the FDA is focused upon helping his employer reduce its regulatory burden and improve its profitability. It isn’t a secret who Taylor worked for and we can assume that the Obama administration knew who they were appointing when they did it.

Roger Beachy, the Director of the Danforth Plant Science Center (a Monsanto organization), was appointed by the Obama administration as the Director of the USDA’s National Institute of Food and Agriculture. NIFA is a department of the USDA which focuses on funding research and innovation in the field of agriculture as well developing more efficient ways to produce food. As the major grant-writing division of the USDA, the NIFA department has the ability to grant or reject agricultural research grants. By giving Beachy the Directorship of the NIFA, the Obama administration gave a Monsanto associate the most powerful position in the organization which allocates agricultural research grants. Needless to say, this appointment is a great boon for Monsanto and bad news for any group which disagrees with the agri-business giant.

Islam Siddiqui, a Monsanto lobbyist, was appointed to the post of Agriculture Trade Representative by the Obama administration. Trade representative are tasked with promoting trade of goods within their appointed field (ex. Agricultural trade reps promote the export of American crops). As Monsanto has a controlling interest in American corn production, the appointment of a Monsanto lobbyist to the position of trade representative is a large boon for the corporation. Siddiqui’s government job is to promote the export of American crops and his Monsanto job is to promote the sale of Monsanto crops—it is undeniable that these two jobs present a conflict of interest and will only lead to Siddiqui representing Monsanto’s interests as though they are the interests of the United State

So GE's big guy got a job in the administration too, does that mean GE products are bad? Don't we wish these were the only conflict of interest or improper appointments?

[shcisamax]

Gosh, got Monsanto stock?

No just because GE has a guy working in the administration doesn't mean the GE products are bad. That said, if you actually take a look at the chart in the link, you will see it isn't one or two people. It is a rather looooong list.
What it means is IF GMOs were not safe, but lucrative, they would have no problem ensuring the business.
I think you can find quite a bit of serious research that provides for the concern people are expressing as to the toxicity of GMOs.

[zonerboy]

Still don't understand how coating a seed with Roundup has anything to do with genetic modification,
Roundup may not be good for people to ingest, but that does not necessarily mean it modifies the genome of the seed it is applied to, or that of the person who eats the plant that grows from the seed.
Please explain.

[KeepingItReal]

Gosh, got Monsanto stock?

No just because GE has a guy working in the administration doesn't mean the GE products are bad. That said, if you actually take a look at the chart in the link, you will see it isn't one or two people. It is a rather looooong list.
What it means is IF GMOs were not safe, but lucrative, they would have no problem ensuring the business.
I think you can find quite a bit of serious research that provides for the concern people are expressing as to the toxicity of GMOs.

No stock but wish I did. If you look at the money spent by all companies and especially the large companies on lobbyist you can see they all want to have regulations and tax treatment to favor their position whatever it is. Why would we expect anything different right or wrong from Monsanto?

What is your plan or do you have a plan to fix it all?

There would not be near enough crop production to feed and meet the needs of world without them so what is the plan to fix it all say all GMO's were outlawed today?

Unless you have raised Corn, Wheat, Oats, Rye, Barley, Soybeans, Alfalfa, and Milo it is no doubt difficult to understand but the sky is not falling. Some have been modified for many years already and farmers would never go back to the yields and production issues of the past.

Maybe we can discuss Irradiated food next after GMOs. Here is an interesting link....http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/33/3/375.full

[shcisamax]

LOL. I learned a long time ago not to even try to discuss something with someone that is more concerned with being right than inviting questions and being open to alternative positions. Moving on.

[KeepingItReal]

There are the facts and then there is everything else. I prefer to rely on research and proven results that work rather than the ramblings of a self proclaimed cynic that has no idea how to fix what he complains about, but each to his own.....

Josh Sager proclaims to be a cynic and writes The Progressive Cynic, he also wrote the article in Post 16


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[Bonanza]

What about the steel-cut oats I buy at Aldi's? I wonder if that's safe to eat. I don't think the product is labeled organic.

Duh . . .

If it ain't on the label . . .

It ain't!