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Villages PL
10-16-2014, 01:17 PM
Yes, I agree with that to a certain extent. For example, stop eating when you're full.

The problem is that it doesn't work for most people because most diseases are silent until a lot of damage has been done or death occurs.

Here's a partial list:

Alzheimer's

Vascular dementia

Cancer

Heart disease

Diverticulosis

Diabetes

Osteoporosis

High blood pressure

A serious discussion is welcomed.

pbkmaine
10-16-2014, 03:13 PM
If I am already eating healthy, my body asks for healthy food. For me what messes up the signals is sugar and simple carbs. What I called "The Cinnabon Diet" in a previous thread. If there is a lot of sugar in my diet, I crave it. When I severely limit the sugar, both real and artificial, I do not.

graciegirl
10-16-2014, 03:23 PM
Yes, I agree with that to a certain extent. For example, stop eating when you're full.

The problem is that it doesn't work for most people because most diseases are silent until a lot of damage has been done or death occurs.

Here's a partial list:

Alzheimer's

Vascular dementia

Cancer

Heart disease

Diverticulosis

Diabetes

A serious discussion is welcomed.

Do you really believe that these illnesses are caused by incorrect diet...ONLY??????


Hurry and tell me before this thread is closed.

Villages PL
10-17-2014, 02:15 PM
If I am already eating healthy, my body asks for healthy food. For me what messes up the signals is sugar and simple carbs. What I called "The Cinnabon Diet" in a previous thread. If there is a lot of sugar in my diet, I crave it. When I severely limit the sugar, both real and artificial, I do not.

I know what you mean. I went to a lecture at Freedom Point this week and ate some of their snacks. I felt fine while eating them but later in the day I felt less well than usual. They were supposed to be healthy snacks according to their standards but they were too processed and sweet for me.

However, instead of making me crave more processed (sweetened) foods, I couldn't wait to get back to my normal healthy foods.

Villages PL
10-17-2014, 02:31 PM
Do you really believe that these illnesses are caused by incorrect diet...ONLY??????

In my opinion, I think it's best to focus on lifestyle because it's our best chance to have an impact for the better.

Villages PL
10-17-2014, 02:35 PM
I went back and added two more items to my original post: Osteoporosis and high blood pressure.

KeepingItReal
10-17-2014, 06:22 PM
In my opinion, I think it's best to focus on lifestyle because it's our best chance to have an impact for the better.

It's not only about lifestyle...

rubicon
10-18-2014, 11:34 AM
Do you really believe that these illnesses are caused by incorrect diet...ONLY??????


Hurry and tell me before this thread is closed.

GG: You pose a question which I viewed as being rhetorically in nature.

Only if it were that simple

This diet/eating right thing has gotten out of hand.

The body needs to be nourished and eating good nutritious food in moderation makes sense to me. I've eaten on that premise for many years and I am still active, exercise and I doubt if I made any drastic changes this late in life on my eating habits that it would alter my longevity.

jimbo2012
10-18-2014, 12:15 PM
I doubt if I made any drastic changes this late in life on my eating habits that it would alter my longevity.

Simply not correct, for example plaque in the arteries can be reduced or eliminated in 6-12 months on a plant based diet.

at the same time reducing BP.

Along with weight loss (automatically)

Think that may change your longevity?

jimbo2012
10-18-2014, 12:17 PM
Do you really believe that these illnesses are caused by incorrect diet...ONLY??????




Yes

Villages PL
10-18-2014, 01:14 PM
Do you really believe that these illnesses are caused by incorrect diet...ONLY??????

Do you really believe that these illnesses are cause by genes....ONLY?????

Villages PL
10-18-2014, 01:17 PM
It's not only about lifestyle...

Would you care to elaborate on that? Tell us what else it's about.

Villages PL
10-18-2014, 01:36 PM
Yes

Thanks, I think you're correct to answer "yes" because not everyone who has a gene associated with a certain disease gets the disease. It's only an association. There's no proof that genes alone cause any of the diseases I mentioned.

It's strange to think that a gene for some disease sits in one's body for 50, 60 or more years waiting to give you some particular disease, like a time release capsule waiting to go off. Suddenly, the gene looks at its blueprint for disease and thinks, "Okay, 60 years has gone by, I think it's time for this disease - ready, get set, go!!!!!!"

BarryRX
10-18-2014, 02:42 PM
Another question....when does an interest in something cross over into the realm of obsession and an unhealthy preoccupation? Perhaps by the 500th post on the same subject.

asianthree
10-18-2014, 02:42 PM
I get to blame my renal, cardiac, colon, and blood pressure from my mothers side not anything to do with my diet

B767drvr
10-18-2014, 03:38 PM
Thanks, I think you're correct to answer "yes" because not everyone who has a gene associated with a certain disease gets the disease. It's only an association. There's no proof that genes alone cause any of the diseases I mentioned.


I agree VPL.

I believe the data overwhelmingly favor the "nutritional determinism" argument over the "genetic determinism" argument for many diseases/conditions.

Consider the case of identical twins - they rarely die of the same disease. IF it were due to genes ONLY, they would ALWAYS die of the same disease, where disease caused death (versus accident, etc…)

There are many examples of identical twins from healthy Asian nations where one twin moves to a western country, begins to eat the standard western diet heavy in meat and dairy, and becomes obese and diseased. Meanwhile, the sibling back home remains robustly healthy and free of disease. Obviously, one's nutritional choices have consequences.

Bonanza
10-18-2014, 05:34 PM
Another question....when does an interest in something cross over into the realm of obsession and an unhealthy preoccupation? Perhaps by the 500th post on the same subject.

Your point is well taken (re the 500th post).
Some people simply do not get it.
I'm referring to threads on diet, nutrition, maladies, etc., etc.,
which are posted by the same person
over and over under the guise of a different subject.

Yes -- enough already!
:pray:

pbkmaine
10-18-2014, 06:07 PM
I find the topic interesting. When there are threads that don't interest me, It's easy enough to skip them.

KeepingItReal
10-18-2014, 07:11 PM
Would you care to elaborate on that? Tell us what else it's about.



This has all been discussed over and over and over.....don't think another time would be of any benefit.

Face it, you, like all the rest of us are going to die..and there is nothing that can be done to prevent it by you or anyone else.....best to try and enjoy the relatively few days we all have remaining.

Suzi
10-18-2014, 07:52 PM
From my point of view, everyone should do what they can to maintain good health. This means we should not just depend on medicine and doctoring to keep us healthy. Keeping trim and mentally and physically fit probably has the most benefit to the most people. Diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, vascular disease and many dementias appear to be less amongst people who are fit and active. Most of these diseases also respond favorably to weight loss and activity. On this forum, we often speak of self "responsibility" for oneself. In my opinion, we should personally do everything within our own power to keep our health. Eat sensibly and maintain a healthy weight. Exercise your brain every day. Live everyday like its your last and you'll never have regrets.