Just when we think we have heard it all about ebola screw ups!!!

[billethkid]

You have heard the old saying that something is so far out of reality it must be true because nobody would make this :swear: up:

Lawmaker claims plans may be in pipeline to bring non-citizens to US for Ebola treatment | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/28/lawmaker-claims-plans-may-be-in-pipeline-to-bring-non-citizens-to-us-for-ebola/)

As we have seen on other threads on this subject there are many opinions, views or positions. Well this one defies any logic or common sense I don't care what your party or beliefs.

We as a nation have demonstrated in recent weeks those in charge have no idea what they are dealing with or doing. We have yet to clarify what should be done (reality wise not non value adding politics).

If this does not fire up we the people and get them off their :swear: and rise up against putting this country in a more risk situation than it already is, then there is no hope. Don't be a zombie on the federal bus going who knows where. Do something about it.

For the defenders no matter what consider the subject not who wrote it or any other diversions. Treat the threat as though it were real.

[graciegirl]

I heard that too.

I am hoping that it is a rumor. Or the plan will be changed. Or that I have dementia.

[redwitch]

I understand the desire to want to help but this is true insanity.

[borjo]

Insanity.

[jblum315]

If it's only Fox news reporting it I think you have to take it with a grain of salt

[Applepie]

NBC news also reported this.

[sunnyatlast]

If it's only Fox news reporting it I think you have to take it with a grain of salt

True. But on this story, not only is nobody other than Judicial Watch reporting it from Administration sources they won't reveal, but other news broadcasters are not disputing the plan to bring ebola patients to this country for treatment, either.

And when only FNC is reporting such a plan, it's usually because the other networks are extinguishing the fearless work of reporters like Sharyl Attkisson formerly on CBS.

News | Sharyl Attkisson (http://sharylattkisson.com/reports/news)

[Sophie11]

[QUOTE=billethkid;959677]You have heard the old saying that something is so far out of reality it must be true because nobody would make this :swear: up:

Lawmaker claims plans may be in pipeline to bring non-citizens to US for Ebola treatment | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/28/lawmaker-claims-plans-may-be-in-pipeline-to-bring-non-citizens-to-us-for-ebola/)

As we have seen on other threads on this subject there are many opinions, views or positions. Well this one defies any logic or common sense I don't care what your party or beliefs.

We as a nation have demonstrated in recent weeks those in charge have no idea what they are dealing with or doing. We have yet to clarify what should be done (reality wise not non value adding politics).

If this does not fire up we the people and get them off their :swear: and rise up against putting this country in a more risk situation than it already is, then there is no hope. Don't be a zombie on the federal bus going who knows where. Do something about it.

For the defenders no matter what consider the subject not who wrote it or any other diversions. Treat the threat as though it were real.[/QUOTE

I know you probably will not click on the link but maybe you would be interested in the population of America in 2025.

List of Countries 2013 (http://www.deagel.com/country/)

[billethkid]

[/QUOTE Sophie11

I know you probably will not click on the link but maybe you would be interested in the population of America in 2025.

List of Countries 2013 (http://www.deagel.com/country/)[/quote]

I am not sure what it is in your opinion or conclusion that would lead you to make this statement. You were wrong.

So the point of the population growth link was..........?............:shrug:

[l2ridehd]

Predication.

This will be brought out by the current administration to bring patients to this country for treatment. There will be an uprising of elected officials against this as a dumb idea, which it is, and than they can point the finger at the opposition party as being insensitive to those in need, not caring about the poor people inflicted with this terrible disease.

This is a political finger pointing issue only. I just can not believe how divided we have become as a nation. Pure insanity.

I believe we should do everything we are capable of doing to help those folks and send any volunteers, medicine, knowledge, skills, help that we can send. We should not bring anyone here. In fact we should do as the rest of the sane world has done and ban flights to the US from those countries.

[DDoug]

A little off subject but the conspirators of One World Order wants the population to be reduced by 5.5 billion people so this is their chance. Now dont tell no one has read about this before.

[gomoho]

If it's only Fox news reporting it I think you have to take it with a grain of salt

Isn't it amazing how they will report what others try to cover up?

[Sophie11]

[/QUOTE Sophie11

I know you probably will not click on the link but maybe you would be interested in the population of America in 2025.

List of Countries 2013 (http://www.deagel.com/country/)

I am not sure what it is in your opinion or conclusion that would lead you to make this statement. You were wrong.

So the point of the population growth link was..........?............:shrug:[/QUOTE]

Do you think I made this web site? It is a pretty intricate site and some one has put a lot of time and effort and appears to have a lot of knowledge about the governments of the world. I did not make it but I see no reason not to share it. You can take it or leave it no one says you have to believe it.

[rubicon]

This was posted by Newsmax 10/28/14

Newsmax listed 9 reasons why Ebola is a concern.

1. U.S Hospitals are unprepared to handle Ebola cases.

2. One form of Ebola has already mutated to be airborne (Ebola-Reston
circa 1989)

3. Huge potential for widespread in Asia (India, etc)

4. CDC predicts 1.4 million cases by January

5..Ebola can be transmitted by droplets either by a sneeze directly into
openings like the nose, eyes or droplets that are inhaled through the
lungs.

6. Incubation period is quite long and 21 days quaratine may not be
enough

7. Health workers have been infected despite wearing protective equipment

8. Ebola virus can live on a cold surface up to 50 days.

9. Ebola is incurable and there is no known vaccine.

[Happinow]

So what is it that we, the American Citizens, have the power to do? This just keeps getting more crazy! I can't believe Obama would have to power to make such risky, perhaps deadly decisions.

[sunnyatlast]

State Department plans to bring foreign Ebola patients to U.S.

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Updated: 8:13 p.m. on Tuesday, October 28, 2014

The State Department has quietly made plans to bring Ebola-infected doctors and medical aides to the U.S. for treatment, according to an internal department document that argued the only way to get other countries to send medical teams to West Africa is to promise the U.S. will be the world's medical backstop.

Some countries "are implicitly or explicitly waiting for medevac assurances" before they will agree to send their own medical teams to join U.S. and U.N. aid workers on the ground, the State Department argues in the undated four-page memo, which was reviewed by The Washington Times.

"The United States needs to show leadership and act as we are asking others to act by admitting certain non-citizens into the country for medical treatment for Ebola Virus Disease (EVD) during the Ebola crisis," says the four-page memo, which lists Office of International Health and Biodefense Deputy Director Robert Sorenson as its author.

More than 10,000 people have become infected with Ebola in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, and the U.S. has taken a lead role in arguing the pandemic must be stopped over there. President Obama has committed thousands of U.S. troops and has deployed American medical personnel, but other countries have been slow to follow.

In the memo, officials say they would prefer patients go to Europe, but there are some cases where the U.S. is "the logical treatment destination for non-citizens."

The document has been shared with Congress, where lawmakers were already nervous over the administration's handling of the Ebola outbreak. The memo even details expected price per patient, saying transport costs come to $200,000 and treatment is estimated at $300,000 per case.

A State Department official denied there are plans to bring non-citizen patients to the U.S., saying……."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/28/state-department-plans-to-bring-foreign-ebola-pati/print/

[sunnyatlast]

So what is it that we, the American Citizens, have the power to do? This just keeps getting more crazy! I can't believe Obama would have to power to make such risky, perhaps deadly decisions.

Remember the phone and the pen.

[2BNTV]

Predication.

This will be brought out by the current administration to bring patients to this country for treatment. There will be an uprising of elected officials against this as a dumb idea, which it is, and than they can point the finger at the opposition party as being insensitive to those in need, not caring about the poor people inflicted with this terrible disease.

This is a political finger pointing issue only. I just can not believe how divided we have become as a nation. Pure insanity.

I believe we should do everything we are capable of doing to help those folks and send any volunteers, medicine, knowledge, skills, help that we can send. We should not bring anyone here. In fact we should do as the rest of the sane world has done and ban flights to the US from those countries.

:agree:

[graciegirl]

This is the first time I have done this, contact the White House with my views;

It is easy.

Here's the link;

Contact the White House | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact)

[kittygilchrist]

This is the first time I have done this, contact the White House with my views;

It is easy.

Here's the link;

Contact the White House | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact)

I heard that the White gets their news from televised news like we do. We would have to be in the street protesting with signs...
Had we have not been out there for the past year protesting nonsense would it have made a difference? I wonder.

[gomoho]

This is the first time I have done this, contact the White House with my views;

It is easy.

Here's the link;

Contact the White House | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact)

Kudos to you Gracie but I have contacted them several times and each time receive the same form letter response; however, it's better than doing nothing and stewing in it.

[Sandtrap328]

...and this memo "from the State Dept" has been approved by the White House?

Nothing I read had any confirmation from the President.

[graciegirl]

...and this memo "from the State Dept" has been approved by the White House?

Nothing I read had any confirmation from the President.

No. Apparently not.

But I felt my radar go up after the lead physician at Emory University seemed to me to be laying some kind of ground work when he spoke at the press conference celebrating the Texas nurse being free of the Ebola virus.

I really, really, admire the work done there and am very proud of their efforts. He explained that they had used some methods; dialysis and breathing assistance considered "extreme" and " not needed" by the CDC and that they had worked.

Afterward CNN's Sanjay Gupta commented that he did not know this. But today Sanjay Gupta commented that he did not feel a quarantine was necessary. I am just a little skeptical of everyone's decisions on this issue with so little experience, even though at this point we are doing "quite well" in saving five lives out of six.. A medical issue is now a political football and as I said before, it would have been better handled by a medical person in my opinion...but there are medical people and medical people. Few "experts" exist on this disease.

Kaci Hickox has once again been on the news saying that she planned to ignore the quarantine. She may be skilled in medicine, but has very little skill in social interaction or teaching or being diplomatic or making her point. She isn't doing any good for Doctors Without Borders in my view. By the way the decisions made by Doctors Without Borders are NOT made in the U.S. It is a French Organization.

I really am turned off by Kaci Hickox...

[Sandtrap328]

Kaci Hickox has once again been on the news saying that she planned to ignore the quarantine. She may be skilled in medicine, but has very little skill in social interaction or teaching or being diplomatic or making her point. She isn't doing any good for Doctors Without Borders in my view. By the way the decisions made by Doctors Without Borders are NOT made in the U.S. It is a French Organization.

I really am turned off by Kaci Hickox...

Me, too!

[BarryRX]

A little off subject but the conspirators of One World Order wants the population to be reduced by 5.5 billion people so this is their chance. Now dont tell no one has read about this before.

You travel a dark road when all of sudden you see a stop sign up ahead. You slow to a stop, not realizing you have just entered.....The Twilight Zone.

[JB in TV]

Kaci Hickox has once again been on the news saying that she planned to ignore the quarantine. She may be skilled in medicine, but has very little skill in social interaction or teaching or being diplomatic or making her point. She isn't doing any good for Doctors Without Borders in my view. By the way the decisions made by Doctors Without Borders are NOT made in the U.S. It is a French Organization.

I really am turned off by Kaci Hickox...

Gracie, I agree! I read that if she does ignore the quarantine, the authorities in Maine might take legal action and force her to. She sure is creating an name for herself, quite different than one she would have just for being a hero and going to the Hot Zone and helping the sick. What a shame! She's almost an insult to all the other medical professionals. Thinking as I write this, I wonder at what point she was in contact with the attorney? I wonder if the attorney contacted her in order to get national recognition. ??? This just doesn't seem like the behavior of a nurse who went to W Africa to help out in a crisis.

I don't know what it is, but I suspect there is another agenda at play here.

[billethkid]

:ohdear:

Could it possibly (probably) be that no other network will present it because IT IS NOT TRUE?

That is one way to look at it. Yeah I am sure they became number one in ratings and viewership by making it up...that's gotta be it.

Coincidentally their views also happen to follow the majority of the polls and the mood and feeling of the American people.

All one has to do is stay informed on what is happening or not in the world these days and then pay close attention to what is reported (more not reported) by the network news. Then for additional correlation review some of the foreign news networks.

It becomes obvous in very short order the agenda of the main stream alphabet news networks.

Minority positions and opinions are always encouraged!

[sunnyatlast]

When a medical or other professional licensed in a state, they are required to obey state health laws! If a licensee disobeys and knowingly and publicly defies state law, their license is usually subject to Disciplinary Action and possible suspension/revocation.

Also, if the professional is licensed and is disciplined/suspended/revoked in one state, they are subject to Disciplinary Action in another state where their license allows them to practice.

Traci Hickox openly disobeying and defying a state health department mandate in Maine, should be walking on thin ice for licensure, if she still holds a current one. But maybe she doesn't need a state nursing license, because she worked for the CDC as an Epidemic Intelligence Service Officer:

"Hickox is an official CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) officer who performed work for the CDC in recent months.

Hickox was a Class of 2012 member of CDC’s two-year EIS officer training program, according to the official program for CDC’s 2014 EIS Conference (p. 98), which was held from April 28 to May 1, 2014. Hickox was featured in a photograph in the program.

Hickox was listed as an “EIS officer” for the CDC in program materials for a CDC course she taught in July 2014. She was specifically listed as an active “EIS officer” as recently as July 18, 2014, according to CDC documents.

Hickox was a presenter at the CDC conference this spring, according to the program’s list of presenters (p. 103).

Hickox taught an April 29 session called “Contact Investigation of Health Care Personnel Exposed to Maternal and Neonatal Tuberculosis—Clark County, Nevada, 2013″ at the conference (p. 3)…."

Released Ebola Nurse Worked For CDC | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/27/released-ebola-nurse-kaci-hickox-works-for-cdc-her-lawyer-is-a-white-house-visitor/)

[NotFromAroundHere]

A thought occurred to me. Which in itself is rather remarkable.

The thinking is that medical personnel will be hesitant to volunteer if they might get quarantined when they return.

If I volunteer to spend time in Africa and risk my life to help stop this disease, am I really going to be too concerned about a 3 week quarantine when I get back home?

[gomoho]

Here is another for the pile of ebola nonsense. POTUS has declared that yes indeed the soldiers returning from Africa will in fact be subject to a 21 day quarantine when they return; however, civilians will not be because they volunteered to go to Africa whereas the soldier were on a mission. Now I guess this makes sense in his mind, but for the life of me can't understand why someone that was sent on a mission and not directly working with the infected are considered to be more of a threat then the volunteers directly working with the patients. And yes, I heard it first on FOX news.

[JB in TV]

Here is another for the pile of ebola nonsense. POTUS has declared that yes indeed the soldiers returning from Africa will in fact be subject to a 21 day quarantine when they return; however, civilians will not be because they volunteered to go to Africa whereas the soldier were on a mission. Now I guess this makes sense in his mind, but for the life of me can't understand why someone that was sent on a mission and not directly working with the infected are considered to be more of a threat then the volunteers directly working with the patients. And yes, I heard it first on FOX news.

NBC is reporting this also:

Hagel Approves 21-Day Ebola Quarantine for Troops - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/hagel-approves-21-day-ebola-quarantine-troops-n236631)

[sunnyatlast]

I saw Sec. Chuck Hagel say on t.v. yesterday that the reason for quarantining the military people is that it is far safer and easier and efficient to quarantine the military personnel than it is to have to quarantine our medical workers who've been exposed (and thus cannot work to TREAT victims military or otherwise)!

This has been my concern all along: if our best medical personnel and hospitals get infected and overloaded and medical providers cannot/will not work, NOBODY will get treated and isolated, and then all hell breaks loose around the nation and abroad.

I would like to know why people think that Hagel's rationale is faulty when applied to civilians like the nurse putting her individual self before millions of others whom the state is legally bound to protect.

If she and her nurse boyfriend, or the infected doctor's caregivers get the disease and so do their co-workers, how is ANYBODY in the state going to get treated and isolated until they're over it??

The nurse is putting her ego at the level of God. Nobody knows yet if she might still become infected, or whether the hospital workers caring for the dr. in NY will become infected.

One person being bored in her rural Maine home is a tiny price to pay for the safety of a city of millions and all the workers needed to fight the disease!

[rubicon]

Here is another for the pile of ebola nonsense. POTUS has declared that yes indeed the soldiers returning from Africa will in fact be subject to a 21 day quarantine when they return; however, civilians will not be because they volunteered to go to Africa whereas the soldier were on a mission. Now I guess this makes sense in his mind, but for the life of me can't understand why someone that was sent on a mission and not directly working with the infected are considered to be more of a threat then the volunteers directly working with the patients. And yes, I heard it first on FOX news.

gomoho: I just came on and was catching up on what other posters wrote. You are spot on. In fact i believe the military personnel should have had the right to volunteer. After all in real combat when an officer knows its a likely suicide mission he asks for volunteers. the medical people volunteered and they are in the thick of it and better than 250 have been contaminated. These folks for the sake of their families and secondly for the rest of us should gladly accept 21 days quarantine.

As to why the White House won't invoke a travel ban? the worse kept secret for why is because White House is afraid that it would affect mid term elections. Why? For fear of being accused of racial profiling There I said it

[billethkid]

first of all the bored nurse in Maine is nothing more than a media hog getting her 15 minutes of fame. You know one of the self made celebs reinforced by the media (because it fits their agenda). She thinks she is above the rules and common sense. She is doing nothing more than exploiting the situation.

[TOTV Team]

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[2BNTV]

I would tend to think that any responsible medical professional would not object to being quarantined, so they wouldn't spread whatever disease they may have been carrying.

Shame on her!!!

[quirky3]

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Thanks! A small number of users seem to think they can openly defy the site policies with no ramifications! They also ruin it for the vast majority of us who respect the policies.

[gomoho]

I would tend to think that any responsible medical professional would not object to being quarantined, so they wouldn't spread whatever disease they may have been carrying.

Shame on her!!!

I am so on the fence with this one. She is a medical professional and probably knows the disease better than anyone at the CDC or in the administration. So shouldn't she be trusted and respected to do the right thing. I am not on one side or the other like I said - on the fence. Don't think this is black or white. I know the Doctor Spence in NY screwed up but does that mean everyone following should suffer?

[janmcn]

I am so on the fence with this one. She is a medical professional and probably knows the disease better than anyone at the CDC or in the administration. So shouldn't she be trusted and respected to do the right thing. I am not on one side or the other like I said - on the fence. Don't think this is black or white. I know the Doctor Spence in NY screwed up but does that mean everyone following should suffer?


Kaci Hickox told Matt Lauer on the Today Show that she is leaving quarantine tomorrow, and the state of Maine is threatening to take her to court to prevent this. Buckle your seat belts, this could get interesting.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/maine-seek-court-order-force-ebola-quarantine-nurse-kaci-hickox-n236416

[TexaninVA]

When a medical or other professional licensed in a state, they are required to obey state health laws! If a licensee disobeys and knowingly and publicly defies state law, their license is usually subject to Disciplinary Action and possible suspension/revocation.

Also, if the professional is licensed and is disciplined/suspended/revoked in one state, they are subject to Disciplinary Action in another state where their license allows them to practice.

Traci Hickox openly disobeying and defying a state health department mandate in Maine, should be walking on thin ice for licensure, if she still holds a current one. But maybe she doesn't need a state nursing license, because she worked for the CDC as an Epidemic Intelligence Service Officer:

"Hickox is an official CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) officer who performed work for the CDC in recent months.

Hickox was a Class of 2012 member of CDC’s two-year EIS officer training program, according to the official program for CDC’s 2014 EIS Conference (p. 98), which was held from April 28 to May 1, 2014. Hickox was featured in a photograph in the program.

Hickox was listed as an “EIS officer” for the CDC in program materials for a CDC course she taught in July 2014. She was specifically listed as an active “EIS officer” as recently as July 18, 2014, according to CDC documents.

Hickox was a presenter at the CDC conference this spring, according to the program’s list of presenters (p. 103).

Hickox taught an April 29 session called “Contact Investigation of Health Care Personnel Exposed to Maternal and Neonatal Tuberculosis—Clark County, Nevada, 2013″ at the conference (p. 3)…."

Released Ebola Nurse Worked For CDC | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/27/released-ebola-nurse-kaci-hickox-works-for-cdc-her-lawyer-is-a-white-house-visitor/)


Actually, her position is quite amazing to me. She is saying "I've been treating people with Ebola in Africa and when I come home to the US, I don't think I should have to be quarantined cuz I want to go where I want to go etc"

This is not to detract from her good works etc but wouldn't she logically be the *very first* person to be put in quarantine? (make the surroundings comfy .. the tent in Newark didn't work too well)

[sunnyatlast]

first of all the bored nurse in Maine is nothing more than a media hog getting her 15 minutes of fame. You know one of the self made celebs reinforced by the media (because it fits their agenda). She thinks she is above the rules and common sense. She is doing nothing more than exploiting the situation.

Media hog is right.

My bet is that either

a) she'll be a new epidemiology "expert" commentator on one of the most biased networks; or

b) she'll be the next young woman activist with a giant, log-sized chip on her shoulder, chosen to be featured speaker at the convention in 2016, moaning about the plight of American women in need of prophylactic protection from policymakers having common sense.

[billethkid]

she will probably become NBC medical director. Nah probably not. The job is open. NBC's medical director was in Africa recently visiting patients and doing interviews with various care givers. When she came home she checked into a hotel and said she and her staff would do self monitoring. Then they all went out to dinner in NYC.

Funny she hasn't been seen or heard from since. She thought she was above the rules and common sense as well.

Enforcement....that dying discipline here in the USA to accomodate the special interest exploiters.

[TexaninVA]

By the way, what ever happened to Ron Klain, the Ebola Czar? Did he contract the disease or something?? We haven't seen nor heard from the guy since he was appointed.

Dr. Frieden, head of the CDC also seems to have disappeared.

[VT2TV]

You have heard the old saying that something is so far out of reality it must be true because nobody would make this :swear: up:

Lawmaker claims plans may be in pipeline to bring non-citizens to US for Ebola treatment | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/28/lawmaker-claims-plans-may-be-in-pipeline-to-bring-non-citizens-to-us-for-ebola/)

As we have seen on other threads on this subject there are many opinions, views or positions. Well this one defies any logic or common sense I don't care what your party or beliefs.

We as a nation have demonstrated in recent weeks those in charge have no idea what they are dealing with or doing. We have yet to clarify what should be done (reality wise not non value adding politics).

If this does not fire up we the people and get them off their :swear: and rise up against putting this country in a more risk situation than it already is, then there is no hope. Don't be a zombie on the federal bus going who knows where. Do something about it.

For the defenders no matter what consider the subject not who wrote it or any other diversions. Treat the threat as though it were real.



I say this with extreme sarcasm----NOT directed to anyone on these boards...But as per another discussion and things I have read and seen, a lot of people in this country have no problem with allowing unlimited numbers of illegal immigrants into this country and putting them on all sorts of social programs--even talked to a person on a cruise who worked for the Dept. of Immigration who told us that some of the immigrants were even applying for, and getting, social security!! And Medicare for sure. Apparently some people have no problem with non-citizens voting in this country's elections that can permanently affect our country. So why would anyone have any problems believing or thinking that they would be thinking about bringing non-citizens here for treatment. If things don't change, we won't have to woryy about any terrorists taking away any of our freedoms. We are going to wake up one day and realize it is too late, we have already given our rights and freedoms



Now, having said that, I totally agree with what you have said, BTK.

[Sophie11]

Ebola Czar is a lawyer? Why pick this person for such an important job concerning life or death?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx8XLiwp7OY#t=238

[JB in TV]

Very interesting video. It does raise the same questions many of us have about the selection of the Ebola czar. Thanks for sharing. What if we DID select a dentist to be the Att. General?