Aerobics in Neighborhood Pools

[Odysseus]

So glad to read in the Daily Sun today that the Recreation Department is clamping down on those over-zealous and pushy (in the sense of literally pushing non-aerobic group pool users out of the way) non-sanctioned exercise groups who take over some neighborhood pools.

[getdul981]

Wonder how the clamping will be done. Certainly not by calling Community Watch personnel. They have no authority to enforce any rules.

[VT2TV]

Very happy to see it, wonder how long it will last????? Might be good to cut it out and carry it with you. :)

[CFrance]

Maybe it was the fact that they weren't signing liability waivers that finally got the rec centers' attention. Could be a problem if someone got injured or drowned.

[Bonanza]

I am not a pool person but I have heard about this kind of thing happening at a number of different swimming pools. While I find it outrageous that this is happening because it prevents the normal pool goer from enjoying their own community pool, why haven't any of the residents who have been inconvenienced by these groups formed their own group and jumped in to swim anyway? Consequently, by doing so, they would break up these water aerobics groups?

I've also been told that there are a few specific pools where these aerobic swim groups can do this, without interferring with regular swimmers at local pools.

As I said, I don't go to a pool but why have these aerobic fanatics been permitted to take over these pools so no that one else can enjoy them? I'm sure there must be more to this pool problem of which I am not aware.

[TVMayor]

Wonder how the clampinbg will be done. Certainly not by calling Community Watch personnel. They have no authority to enforce any rules.
It will be enforced by the same people that enforce the no reserved seats in the square rule.

[Sandtrap328]

It will be enforced by the same people that enforce the no reserved seats in the square rule.

Get to the good shows early!

I do!

[Barefoot]

Wonder how the clamping will be done.

The "clamping down" will probably be done by publishing an article in the Daily Sun stating that they are clamping down.
The article is supposed to scare people into behaving and following the rules. :popcorn:

[getdul981]

The "clamping down" will probably be done by publishing an article in the Daily Sun stating that they are clamping down.
The article is supposed to scare people into behaving and following the rules. :popcorn:

OH BOY!! I'm sure that will do the job.

[villages07]

There was a sign posted at the gate to the Sabal Chase pool saying no organized water activities were allowed. Sabal Chase has had informal water aerobics at about 9:30 am for the past 8 years. I did not see a similar sign at the Largo pool. So, it is more than just the Daily Sun article.

[applesoffh]

I'm glad something was finally written about this. I was also happy to see that there appears to be a more detailed explanation in the weekly activity guide about what is allowed in adult pools. While it may appear that nothing has been done, finally it's written down in both the paper and weekly activities section, and that means that if there's problem that is reported, it actually may be taken care of. Hope springs eternal!

[shalomuall]

I noticed a sign posted at Fernandina Pool

[CFrance]

This is going to seem off-topic, but it really isn't. Our Three Rivers Club received notice that tickets to the club meetings may no longer be sold on any TV property. (They used to be sold at the rec centers as well as at club meetings.)

I'm wondering if the TV lawyers have looked over all this "stuff" and weighed in with their opinions.

[tolife]

Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.

[CFrance]

Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.
That's good. That would be for sports pools only, leaving the other pools to be used as they were designed.

[Villageswimmer]

[quote=tolife;961674]Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.[/quote
Are you referring to sports pools (e.g., Eisenhower) or neighborhood pools, which are the subject of this thread? Isn't this already done at sports pools? As a lap swimmer, I constantly need to work around volleyball, aerobics, college classes, etc. I'm not complaining since I understand that we all need to share the sports pools.

I hope it's not the neighborhood pools this gent was referring to.That would seriously impact the flexibility of them and certainly not mitigate the issues caused by the unauthorized aerobic class.

[CFrance]

[quote=tolife;961674]Maybe, this would be a help. My husband said he hear, from the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Why not for other act ivies. So everyone can be happy, happy, happy.[/quote
Are you referring to sports pools (e.g., Eisenhower) or neighborhood pools, which are the subject of this thread? Isn't this already done at sports pools? As a lap swimmer, I constantly need to work around volleyball, aerobics, college classes, etc. I'm not complaining since I understand that we all need to share the sports pools.

I hope it's not the neighborhood pools this gent was referring to.That would seriously impact the flexibility of them and certainly not mitigate the issues caused by the unauthorized aerobic class.
Oh, I hope you are right, that this is not for neighborhood pools. That would mean the pushy people win out again.

[iaudit]

Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "

[graciegirl]

Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "


Do you think that this person is collecting money for this? Do you think this person is correct? Can you tell us more? Is this a friend of yours?

[applesoffh]

There was a sign posted at the gate to the Sabal Chase pool saying no organized water activities were allowed. Sabal Chase has had informal water aerobics at about 9:30 am for the past 8 years. I did not see a similar sign at the Largo pool. So, it is more than just the Daily Sun article.

Great! Maybe there will be one posted at the Charlotte pool, also!

[applesoffh]

Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "

Curious as to where this Neighborhood group got their information? Certainly not from TV Recreation News, which now states that the neighborhood adult pools are not for classes of any kind (or wording to that effect - don't have it right in front of me to quote).

[CFrance]

Do you think that this person is collecting money for this? Do you think this person is correct? Can you tell us more? Is this a friend of yours?
She also doesn't say if the exercise classes are allowed to take up the whole pool and keep others from noodling around, using the pool for what it is intended. Will the classes be trying to keep people out of the pool?

Will they participants be required to sign a release form like in all other exercise classes at the rec centers? Lots of unanswered questions. I know Bogie is about to tell me to ask Rohan. I will.

[Villageswimmer]

Just received this in an email from Neighborhood group:

"I wanted to update you on a few items. The first "biggie" is, it is
OFFICIAL....we are allowed to exercise in our neighborhood pools. ................got the confirmation yesterday. The signs are coming down and we can exercise without conflict. So, I am still at Xxxxxxx on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 10AM, weather permitting of 60 degrees or higher in the air. "


If this is true, the complaining about aerobics class may have backfired big time.

There are MANY volleyball enthusiasts. If they begin booking blocks of time, well, fuhget about leisurely relaxing at your pool.

I have no dog in this fight since I use sports pools 95% of the time.

[graciegirl]

Camera should go to the Charlotte Pool on Monday at ten.

[CFrance]

to Mr. Rohan, John.Rohan@districtgov.org

"Dear Mr. Rohan,

There are a number of conflicting pieces of information being circulated about the use of neighborhood pools by people holding aerobics classes.

"I have written to you twice about neighborhood pools being taken over by water aerobics classes before and received two confusing answers that didn't really answer the question. I would like to know if these aerobics classes are allowed to take up neighborhood pools, leaving no room for people to use the pools as their stated purpose.

"Some neighborhood pools have had signs posted on them to the effect that no exercise classes are allowed. Conflicting information comes from one exercise leader via email, stating that these signs will be taken down and the classes allowed. Another piece of conflicting information from Eisenhower rec center: 'the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool (says) that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Manager states that pools will be allowed to have classes reserved.' It is not clear whether he means the sports pool or the neighborhood pools.

"Can you provide some clarification to all this. Because at the same time, it has been posted in the Rec News that the neighborhood pools are not to be used for exercise classes. And if there are to be exercise classes in these pools, will the participants be required to sign the same release form as other rec center exercisers sign every year? What are the legal ramifications to TV if someone is injured?

"Thank you for any definitive answer."

I hope I get a better answer than I got to my last to emails to him.

[applesoffh]

to Mr. Rohan, John.Rohan@districtgov.org

"Dear Mr. Rohan,

There are a number of conflicting pieces of information being circulated about the use of neighborhood pools by people holding aerobics classes.

"I have written to you twice about neighborhood pools being taken over by water aerobics classes before and received two confusing answers that didn't really answer the question. I would like to know if these aerobics classes are allowed to take up neighborhood pools, leaving no room for people to use the pools as their stated purpose.

"Some neighborhood pools have had signs posted on them to the effect that no exercise classes are allowed. Conflicting information comes from one exercise leader via email, stating that these signs will be taken down and the classes allowed. Another piece of conflicting information from Eisenhower rec center: 'the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool (says) that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Manager states that pools will be allowed to have classes reserved.' It is not clear whether he means the sports pool or the neighborhood pools.

"Can you provide some clarification to all this. Because at the same time, it has been posted in the Rec News that the neighborhood pools are not to be used for exercise classes. And if there are to be exercise classes in these pools, will the participants be required to sign the same release form as other rec center exercisers sign every year? What are the legal ramifications to TV if someone is injured?

"Thank you for any definitive answer."

I hope I get a better answer than I got to my last to emails to him.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my email. Perhaps things were backed up last week dur to Mr. Morse's passing.

[tghoul]

I was at the meeting 2 months ago when the subject of reserving a court for water volleyball was first mentioned. It would only be at Eisenhower Sports Pool and would probably be a total of 2 hours on two days. Example: Wedesday 2:00 PM - 3:50 PM & Sunday 3:00 PM - 4:50 PM. A group would request a permit to reserve a water volleyball court for a 3 month period. They would have to request another permit if they wanted to reserve the court after the 3 months is up. Currently Eisenhower has several days with water volleyball listed as "Open". Open play would by replaced by "Reserved".

[graciegirl]

I was at the meeting 2 months ago when the subject of reserving a court for water volleyball was first mentioned. It would only be at Eisenhower Sports Pool and would probably be a total of 2 hours on two days. Example: Wedesday 2:00 PM - 3:50 PM & Sunday 3:00 PM - 4:50 PM. A group would request a permit to reserve a water volleyball court for a 3 month period. They would have to request another permit if they wanted to reserve the court after the 3 months is up. Currently Eisenhower has several days with water volleyball listed as "Open". Open play would by replaced by "Reserved".

Is Eisenhower a regional rec center?

[dbussone]

Is Eisenhower a regional rec center?

Yes

[graciegirl]

So Eisenhower has a sports pool. The neighborhood pools are not sports pools and can't be reserved for anything. Right? So this gal is blowing smoke the way I see it.

She really has gall.

[tghoul]

So Eisenhower has a sports pool. The neighborhood pools are not sports pools and can't be reserved for anything. Right? So this gal is blowing smoke the way I see it.

She really has gall.

The only discussion I am aware of is for Eisenhower Sports Pool to replace their Open water volleyball with a Reserved court system. The Open water volleyball was causing a headache for the staff. People were arguing over who gets what court, who can play on their team, etc. If there were Advance players playing during the Open time slot a beginner could not be barred from playing with them. It disrupted the game and was potennially dangeous for the beginner. With the reservation system you can play with fellow players of the same skill level and there will be no arguing over who gets what court. About 2 months ago there were 100 players who showed up for Open play and the pool capacity is 85.

[CFrance]

The only discussion I am aware of is for Eisenhower Sports Pool to replace their Open water volleyball with a Reserved court system. The Open water volleyball was causing a headache for the staff. People were arguing over who gets what court, who can play on their team, etc. If there were Advance players playing during the Open time slot a beginner could not be barred from playing with them. It disrupted the game and was potennially dangeous for the beginner. With the reservation system you can play with fellow players of the same skill level and there will be no arguing over who gets what court. About 2 months ago there were 100 players who showed up for Open play and the pool capacity is 85.
I think Gracie was referring to another poster who was talking about neighborhood pools.

But thanks for the clarification about the volleyball/sports pool.

[EnglishJW]

This is from the October 30th (most recent) edition of the Recreation News in the section on Neighborhood Pools:

"The Recreation Department strives to make the pools safe for everyone's use and enjoyment. The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities. Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose. Please contact your nearest recreation center and we'll get you started."

[tolife]

If the sport pool at Eisenhower can be reserved for sport activities by individual (friends,clubs etc) groups, then it would be only fair to have neighbor groups allowed to also use Eisenhower for their special needs. However, why hasn't all residents been informed of meeting, when the use of pools changes from what it states on page 3 of the recreation news.

[quirky3]

"Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose."

If people were looking for a loophole, the operative word would be "encouraged", not "required".

[Halibut]

Nice email to Mr. Rohan, Cyndy. Let's hope some clarification is forthcoming.

Even after hundreds of posts, I'm still not totally sure if the "rules" allow me to swim laps in my neighborhood pool, or if my wife can take her water weights there and exercise. What if she and I were there together from 10-11 on M/W/F? Does two people constitute a group?

The cliques who go to the neighborhood pool every day and bob around in their noodles chatting for hours are, I guess, using the facility "correctly". But their territoriality and rudeness bother me a lot more than an hour's worth of group water aerobics would.

[graciegirl]

"Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose."

If people were looking for a loophole, the operative word would be "encouraged", not "required".


I can think of few who would face some nasty woman who is running something in a pool and require her to stop. THAT is what makes me so mad. When you aren't supposed to be doing something and the guidelines are laid down, why would it require a militia to stop you? Don't you care about the needs of others? I guess there is nothing to be done. She won't be shamed. I have met her a thousand times in my life in different places and different times and for different reasons and with different names.

In my opinion she is the nurse in Maine.

This is what I want to do and I will do it. What difference does it make?

[CFrance]

I can think of few who would face some nasty woman who is running something in a pool and require her to stop. THAT is what makes me so mad. When you aren't supposed to be doing something and the guidelines are laid down, why would it require a militia to stop you? Don't you care about the needs of others? I guess there is nothing to be done. She won't be shamed. I have met her a thousand times in my life in different places and different times and for different reasons and with different names.

In my opinion she is the nurse in Maine.

This is what I want to do and I will do it. What difference does it make?
I agree with you 100%. Spot on. The Rec Dept. ought step up and you-know-what or get off the you-know-what. Don't let these bullies dictate.

Even the nurse from Maine followed the laws in NJ, and finally went through the correct channels for her release in Maine.

[graciegirl]

The trouble is, CFrance, that "THE VILLAGES" doesn't do bop and drag you.

They do gentle reminders. They are from the Midwest.

No one from the Midwest is ever going to win in this kind of deal.

I understand. I am from the Midwest.

And how can I expect John Rohan to do something I couldn't do in a million years?

Unless it was my kid. They called me "the warden".

[CFrance]

The trouble is, CFrance, that "THE VILLAGES" doesn't do bop and drag you.

They do gentle reminders. They are from the Midwest.

No one from the Midwest is ever going to win in this kind of deal.

I understand. I am from the Midwest.

And how can I expect John Rohan to do something I couldn't do in a million years?

Unless it was my kid. They called me "the warden".

I'm sorry, I just can't buy that. They made specific rules that we all signed on to when we bought. It is their responsibility to keep a bunch of bullies from breaking those rules to the detriment of the rest of the homeowners who only want to enjoy things the way they were laid out in the rules.

Somebody needs to play warden here.

[graciegirl]

It may change, now that Gary is gone.

A new broom, and all.

[redwitch]

It may change, now that Gary is gone.

A new broom, and all.

I doubt it. Mark pretty much ran the day-to-day, anyway.

[graciegirl]

I doubt it. Mark pretty much ran the day-to-day, anyway.


Just your guess which is as good as mine.

You show me one living soul who can tell you how this place is run and I will eat your hat. We all know, kind of, that Mark builds the houses, Jennifer sells the houses and Tracy makes everything beautiful.

I hope that without their dad that they will be able to continue in the same way.

Mark would give the state of the Villlages address, but they are all brilliant in their jobs and who can imagine how it would be here without any one of them. They could have all quit at any time and lived several lifetimes on their earnings but they chose to continue.

[tolife]

John.Rohan@districtgov.org
So confused, why can an exclusive group (eg. volleyball per email that was sent to you), be allowed to reserve the sport pool and not other exclusive groups? Other exclusive groups have to rent the pool if they prefer to play an activity on their own. The recreation paper states that a resident does not needs to sign up for sport pool programs (eg volleyball) and no courts are reserved. When were ALL resident told or given the opportunity to partake in this meeting that has changed how all the sports pools will be used?

[applesoffh]

So Eisenhower has a sports pool. The neighborhood pools are not sports pools and can't be reserved for anything. Right? So this gal is blowing smoke the way I see it.

She really has gall.

Yup!

[applesoffh]

This is from the October 30th (most recent) edition of the Recreation News in the section on Neighborhood Pools:

"The Recreation Department strives to make the pools safe for everyone's use and enjoyment. The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities. Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to used the sports pools for this purpose. Please contact your nearest recreation center and we'll get you started."

Thank you for posting! I couldn't find my copy of the Recreation schedule for anything!

[tolife]

It was the neighbors understanding that the problem at Eisenhower was not the Advance Volleyball players. It seem that the exclusive group with the problems are a men team and a women's team formed with a group of friends and no other residents are allowed to play unless you are contacted by email exclusively. People were told to leave. The advance players must try out to play on the advance team. All other groups are formed without try outs or ratings. This group is just a group of friends. They would turn new residents away. They are not the top or best teams just friends using the pool for themselves only, which will change the villages policy on the use of a sport pool. So there is no reasons why our other pools policy should not be changed.

[Polar Bear]

It was the neighbors understanding that the problem at Eisenhower was not the Advance Volleyball players. It seem that the exclusive group with the problems are a men team and a women's team formed with a group of friends and no other residents are allowed to play unless you are contacted by email exclusively. People were told to leave. The advance players must try out to play on the advance team. All other groups are formed without try outs or ratings. This group is just a group of friends. They would turn new residents away. They are not the top or best teams just friends using the pool for themselves only, which will change the villages policy on the use of a sport pool. So there is no reasons why our other pools policy should not be changed.


Am I the only one who, when at a neighborhood pool and approached by somebody and "told to leave", would just chuckle, say "yeah, right" and then continue using the pool?!?

[Carla B]

It was the neighbors understanding that the problem at Eisenhower was not the Advance Volleyball players. It seem that the exclusive group with the problems are a men team and a women's team formed with a group of friends and no other residents are allowed to play unless you are contacted by email exclusively. People were told to leave. The advance players must try out to play on the advance team. All other groups are formed without try outs or ratings. This group is just a group of friends. They would turn new residents away. They are not the top or best teams just friends using the pool for themselves only, which will change the villages policy on the use of a sport pool. So there is no reasons why our other pools policy should not be changed.

Now, I'm confused. I thought that we were discussing neighborhood pools, not Eisenhower, a sports pool. Or are there issues at both?

[Villageswimmer]

Nice email to Mr. Rohan, Cyndy. Let's hope some clarification is forthcoming.

Even after hundreds of posts, I'm still not totally sure if the "rules" allow me to swim laps in my neighborhood pool, or if my wife can take her water weights there and exercise. What if she and I were there together from 10-11 on M/W/F? Does two people constitute a group?

The cliques who go to the neighborhood pool every day and bob around in their noodles chatting for hours are, I guess, using the facility "correctly". But their territoriality and rudeness bother me a lot more than an hour's worth of group water aerobics would.


don't even think about swimming laps in the neighborhood pool unless you're the only one there. I did it once when both seabreeze and Miona were closed and I'll never do it again. That's what sports pools are for, and it really ruffles feathers.

as for bringing dumbells and exercising on your own, I dont think anyone cares about that.

[tolife]

there seems to be issues at all pools. however, it appears there are two problem. some residents are setting their own rules and the villages is changed the rule without letting the residents have a voice in the change.

[CFrance]

Recently I sent Mr. Rohan of the Recreation Department an email asking for clarification of neighborhood pool rules vis-a-vis people holding aerobics classes. Below is my email with his responses, which I received this morning. His answers are bolded.

Dear Mr. Rohan,

There are a number of conflicting pieces of information being circulated about the use of neighborhood pools by people holding aerobics classes.

I have written to you twice about neighborhood pools being taken over by water aerobics classes before and received two confusing answers that didn't really answer the question. I would like to know if these aerobics classes are allowed to take up neighborhood pools, leaving no room for people to use the pools as their stated purpose. Water exercise is allowed as long as it is not impeding the use of the pool for others. Meaning all access needs to be made available. It cannot monopolize the pool or deter from others using it.

Some neighborhood pools have had signs posted on them to the effect that no exercise classes are allowed. Conflicting information comes from one exercise leader via email, stating that these signs will be taken down and the classes allowed. Another piece of conflicting information from Eisenhower rec center: "the supervisor Matt at Eisenhower Sports pool
(says) that residents will be able as of April 2015 to reserve a time slot for 6 months at a time for volleyball for friends or clubs without renting the pool. Manager states that pools will be allowed to have classes reserved." It is not clear whether he means the sports pool or the neighborhood pools. The signage is temporary and serves as a reminder and for educational/expectation awareness to pool users. We are trying to get new residents to understand the concept of the pools. Matt has been exploring programing as all staff does for their centers. This program is not going to occur.

Can you provide some clarification to all this. Because at the same time, it has been posted in the Rec News that the neighborhood pools are not to be used for exercise classes. And if there are to be exercise classes in these pools, will the participants be required to sign the same release form as other rec center exercisers sign every year? What are the legal ramifications to TV if someone is injured? If someone is leading an organized water exercise class that instructor is personally liable.

Thank you for any definitive answer.

[Jim 9922]

CFrance, nice job. Looks like most problems have been answered. Love the answer for the last one, that should scare the stuff out of the "private" instructors.

[pakirk]

I disagree with the comments about people using the pool for aerobics. First off, these people are your neighbors. I see people walking laps for exercise ;in our the time. It prevents people from swimming laps. I do not use the neighborhood pool for any organized activity so I am hesitant to comment on those who do. From what I have observed, it is usually done in the mornings when there are limited people at the pool. To say you don't use the pool but are upset or find it outrageous when you do not use the pool is just complaining for the sake of complaining. Of all the post complaining, I have seen very little where there was actually an incident noted where someone was force out of a pool.

[George Bieniaszek]

Village Belly Floppers and Pool Cannon Ballers unite!!! Time to put a plan in action to invade these pools and disrupt the aerobics!!!!

[Happydaz]

50 friendly, extroverted people exercising in the pool for one hour three times a week in the morning, or one unfriendly, introverted person swimming laps or walking from side to side in an almost empty pool. Let's see, three hours a week for aerobics for 50 people and a few other people can't work around those few hours? I am sure the water aerobics people would make room for others to use the pool. The problem is that these others want to also exercise in the pool by doing laps or walking side to see. They just want the whole pool to themselves. They don't like all the people and noise!

[CFrance]

50 friendly, extroverted people exercising in the pool for one hour three times a week in the morning, or one unfriendly, introverted person swimming laps or walking from side to side in an almost empty pool. Let's see, three hours a week for aerobics for 50 people and a few other people can't work around those few hours? I am sure the water aerobics people would make room for others to use the pool. The problem is that these others want to also exercise in the pool by doing laps or walking side to see. They just want the whole pool to themselves. They don't like all the people and noise!
If you go back and read the initial posts of both threads concerning the use of neighborhood pools for aerobics, you will see that people have complained about aerobics classes, indeed, taking up the whole pool and bullying others who want to use the pool for its intended and stated purpose. So the assumption that they would make room for everyone doesn't "hold water." The pools aren't even supposed to hold 50 people!

Let's see, three hours a week to exclude the neighborhood from using the pools as they are intended, when the sports pools provide all the aerobics and other water exercise you could want? Of course they don't want all the noise and the people. The neighborhood pools are supposed to be for relaxation, not exercise.

[DonH57]

Village Belly Floppers and Pool Cannon Ballers unite!!! Time to put a plan in action to invade these pools and disrupt the aerobics!!!!

Ready to cannonball where needed.

[CFrance]

Ready to cannonball where needed.
Photo op!

[VT2TV]

If you go back and read the initial posts of both threads concerning the use of neighborhood pools for aerobics, you will see that people have complained about aerobics classes, indeed, taking up the whole pool and bullying others who want to use the pool for its intended and stated purpose. So the assumption that they would make room for everyone doesn't "hold water." The pools aren't even supposed to hold 50 people!

Let's see, three hours a week to exclude the neighborhood from using the pools as they are intended, when the sports pools provide all the aerobics and other water exercise you could want? Of course they don't want all the noise and the people. The neighborhood pools are supposed to be for relaxation, not exercise.


I totally agree. You know, even before we bought our house, our sales agent drove us all around the area, and either explained all the rules for TV, or explained how we could find the rules. No one has any excuse for not knowing the rules and it has always been that the adult pools were for quiet swimming, and exercising is supposed to be done in the sports pools. That is the way it has always been. But then some people decided that they didn't want to go to the sports pools, it was much easier to just go to the adult pools, and since that was what some people wnted, they just decided to take it upon themselves to change the rules. It all goes back to feeling entitled, and thinking that some people are more important than others. I didn't make the rules-the Morse family or associates did, and NO ONE has the right to change them except them. People certainly are trying, but that doesn't make it right. Eventually it may change, but right now people just need to do what is right , or go through the proper channels, not just bully your way through. How would the people feel if there was something they loved such as relaxing beside the pool---or anything else---and others just took it upon themselves to take it away from them, when the people trying to change things were in the wrong??????

[tolife]

I was at the meeting 2 months ago when the subject of reserving a court for water volleyball was first mentioned. It would only be at Eisenhower Sports Pool and would probably be a total of 2 hours on two days. Example: Wedesday 2:00 PM - 3:50 PM & Sunday 3:00 PM - 4:50 PM. A group would request a permit to reserve a water volleyball court for a 3 month period. They would have to request another permit if they wanted to reserve the court after the 3 months is up. Currently Eisenhower has several days with water volleyball listed as "Open". Open play would by replaced by "Reserved".

Will this change, or will the groups that reserve the sports pools be liable. Will Matt be having another meeting telling everyone, About the email answer "Matt has been exploring programs as all staff does for their centers. This program (reserved time slots for open volleyball) is not going to occur."

[EnglishJW]

I totally agree. You know, even before we bought our house, our sales agent drove us all around the area, and either explained all the rules for TV, or explained how we could find the rules. No one has any excuse for not knowing the rules and it has always been that the adult pools were for quiet swimming, and exercising is supposed to be done in the sports pools. That is the way it has always been. But then some people decided that they didn't want to go to the sports pools, it was much easier to just go to the adult pools, and since that was what some people wnted, they just decided to take it upon themselves to change the rules. It all goes back to feeling entitled, and thinking that some people are more important than others. I didn't make the rules-the Morse family or associates did, and NO ONE has the right to change them except them. People certainly are trying, but that doesn't make it right. Eventually it may change, but right now people just need to do what is right , or go through the proper channels, not just bully your way through. How would the people feel if there was something they loved such as relaxing beside the pool---or anything else---and others just took it upon themselves to take it away from them, when the people trying to change things were in the wrong??????


We had exactly the identical experience. TV is a wonderful place and we love it. While it sounds nice to let everyone do whatever they want, that isn't what we expect here.

[janmcn]

Village Belly Floppers and Pool Cannon Ballers unite!!! Time to put a plan in action to invade these pools and disrupt the aerobics!!!!


Yell EBOLA as you're belly flopping and these pools will clear out in a hurry.

[scrapple]

In my neighborhood pool, at most any given time, there are pool walkers. They will claim their "lane" if you are standing in their line of walking. When I asked why they didn't use the sports pools, they said waiting in line for the water aerobics classes was ridiculously long, so they got in the habit of water walking the neighborhood pool, others came along and there you have it. I've gone to water aerobics classes and it really is a long wait. We've scammed ways of getting tickets this year: one of us gets out of bed 1st, runs to the rec center, gets the 2 passes, comes home and gets slathered up in sunscreen, dons the suit, grabs a towel and back we go together. Or, if we're both up at the same time, go get the tickets then run to the nearest neighborhood pool to spend the half hour, which does not sit well with those friendly neighbors who think their pool is only for people who live in that neighborhood. The unfortunate part is that there aren't enough water aerobic instructors to offer more classes.

[wvafran]

It is inflammatory and juvenile to come take pictures of people at the pool without consent. Could legally be harassment?

[graciegirl]

It is inflammatory and juvenile to come take pictures of people at the pool without consent. Could legally be harassment?


Do you think the pix will end up on Hotbabes.com?:angel:

[TheVillageChicken]

I have never used the pools yet, but as soon as I darn the hole in the knee of my swim suit, I am going to give it a try.

[CFrance]

Do you think the pix will end up on Hotbabes.com?:angel:
I'm gonna get your pic. and send it in, GG. I know you have one in your den that shows you are a hot babe! A hot golfing babe who made a hole in one.:pepper2:

[zonerboy]

If a person wishes to go to a neighborhood pool, walk back and forth from side to side, and call it exercise; then they are certainly welcome to do so. Such persons, however, are not welcome to expect other pool users to stay out of their way. If a person lazing about on their noodle happens to drift into your "lane", that's too bad. Walk around them. You have no right to claim that any particular area of a neighborhood pool is designated for your exclusive use.

PS: same philosophy applies to conversation circles and those attempting to be lap swimmers.

[quirky3]

If a person wishes to go to a neighborhood pool, walk back and forth from side to side, and call it exercise; then they are certainly welcome to do so. Such persons, however, are not welcome to expect other pool users to stay out of their way. If a person lazing about on their noodle happens to drift into your "lane", that's too bad. Walk around them. You have no right to claim that any particular area of a neighborhood pool is designated for your exclusive use.

PS: same philosophy applies to conversation circles and those attempting to be lap swimmers.

That's the way I think about it. If they are approaching a noodle floater, what choice do they have but to walk around them?

[Buffalo Jim]

If a person wishes to go to a neighborhood pool, walk back and forth from side to side, and call it exercise; then they are certainly welcome to do so. Such persons, however, are not welcome to expect other pool users to stay out of their way. If a person lazing about on their noodle happens to drift into your "lane", that's too bad. Walk around them. You have no right to claim that any particular area of a neighborhood pool is designated for your exclusive use.

PS: same philosophy applies to conversation circles and those attempting to be lap swimmers.

Well said and very logical !!

[wvafran]

50 friendly, extroverted people exercising in the pool for one hour three times a week in the morning, or one unfriendly, introverted person swimming laps or walking from side to side in an almost empty pool. Let's see, three hours a week for aerobics for 50 people and a few other people can't work around those few hours? I am sure the water aerobics people would make room for others to use the pool. The problem is that these others want to also exercise in the pool by doing laps or walking side to see. They just want the whole pool to themselves. They don't like all the people and noise!

With so much being said about exercisers "hogging" the pool, is the same true for the man who swam down the middle of the Charlotte pool today for over an hour?
Was this the "disrupting" that was previously spoken about?

[Happydaz]

With so much being said about exercisers "hogging" the pool, is the same true for the man who swam down the middle of the Charlotte pool today for over an hour?
Was this the "disrupting" that was previously spoken about?

This lap swimmer needs unfettered access to the middle of the pool. He would have a problem if people floated into his lane. It would be no problem if he didn't mind it when others came into his lane and maybe stopped lap swimming for awhile if many others were in the pool. No one can fault him if he wants to swim laps and the pool is empty. He may,though,be the type of person who would report a large group of neighborhood people exercising in the pool if it interfered with his swimming. He may complain to the Villages Recreation people.

Many women and men in our area loved meeting up in our local pool to do one hour of water aerobics three times a week. They all walked down to our neighborhood pool early in the morning. There was a lot of camaraderie and friendship. Everyone had a good time. Realtors showing homes would often stop in to our pool to tell their clients how friendly the area is and how we have water aerobics three times a week. But someone complained and this very popular activity was stopped. It appeared that a few people objected and were on their phones as soon as people showed up to do water aerobics. The irony is that these people are lap swimmers and serious pool walkers and they didn't want the water aerobics people in the pool. All the aerobics people made room for anyone who wanted to get into the pool. They stated this at the beginning of a session. Heck, half the exercisers were mostly standing around. The problem was that these other exercises needed a lot of room to lap swim and pool walk.

The sports pools may seem to be the answer, but they are not within walking distance, they are not friendly, and it is very hard to schedule things there. Water volleyball players are a tough group to work around. So a nice neighborly activity was affected by a small group of "other" exercisers. Most of the people who commented on this thread probably don't go to the pools in the morning, if they did, they would see that they are virtually deserted. It was fun to see so many neighbors walking to the pool every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday mornings. Some people didn't even do the exercises they just came to chat!

[graciegirl]

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[Uptown Girl]

In my neighborhood pool, at most any given time, there are pool walkers. They will claim their "lane" if you are standing in their line of walking. When I asked why they didn't use the sports pools, they said waiting in line for the water aerobics classes was ridiculously long, so they got in the habit of water walking the neighborhood pool, others came along and there you have it. I've gone to water aerobics classes and it really is a long wait. We've scammed ways of getting tickets this year: one of us gets out of bed 1st, runs to the rec center, gets the 2 passes, comes home and gets slathered up in sunscreen, dons the suit, grabs a towel and back we go together. Or, if we're both up at the same time, go get the tickets then run to the nearest neighborhood pool to spend the half hour, which does not sit well with those friendly neighbors who think their pool is only for people who live in that neighborhood. The unfortunate part is that there aren't enough water aerobic instructors to offer more classes.

There are no 'tickets' needed for the water aerobics class I attend. There is room for any Villager who wants to come. Mostly women attend, but some husbands come regularly as well.
In the 3+ years I have attended, I have never seen anyone turned away because the class is 'full'.
The class is offered at Laurel Manor (sport pool) and given by Delores Rost.
Delores was one of the first certified water aerobics instructors in the country. Her routines truly provide a comprehensive workout. We work with equipment- pool noodles, exercise bands and water dumbbells.

The class info is listed in the Recreational news each week if anyone is interested. :)

[CFrance]

What if a group of people decided to go practice golf swings on the golf course because there was nobody there at some early or late hour of the day. Is that okay? Or would you tell them to go over to where the practice places are.

[dave harris]

I guess what I read from a lot of these people is, rules are made to be broken. Unless they are ones I agree with.

[debman]

This is no longer t he truth ...it was never okay to have an organized group. Individuals can exercise but no leader is allowed. This was clarified today with John Rohan at a meeting at the Fernandina pool.

[debman]

You are in a public place with no expectation of privacy. Personally I hope your pictures wind up on you tube!

[graciegirl]

This lap swimmer needs unfettered access to the middle of the pool. He would have a problem if people floated into his lane. It would be no problem if he didn't mind it when others came into his lane and maybe stopped lap swimming for awhile if many others were in the pool. No one can fault him if he wants to swim laps and the pool is empty. He may,though,be the type of person who would report a large group of neighborhood people exercising in the pool if it interfered with his swimming. He may complain to the Villages Recreation people.

Many women and men in our area loved meeting up in our local pool to do one hour of water aerobics three times a week. They all walked down to our neighborhood pool early in the morning. There was a lot of camaraderie and friendship. Everyone had a good time. Realtors showing homes would often stop in to our pool to tell their clients how friendly the area is and how we have water aerobics three times a week. But someone complained and this very popular activity was stopped. It appeared that a few people objected and were on their phones as soon as people showed up to do water aerobics. The irony is that these people are lap swimmers and serious pool walkers and they didn't want the water aerobics people in the pool. All the aerobics people made room for anyone who wanted to get into the pool. They stated this at the beginning of a session. Heck, half the exercisers were mostly standing around. The problem was that these other exercises needed a lot of room to lap swim and pool walk.

The sports pools may seem to be the answer, but they are not within walking distance, they are not friendly, and it is very hard to schedule things there. Water volleyball players are a tough group to work around. So a nice neighborly activity was affected by a small group of "other" exercisers. Most of the people who commented on this thread probably don't go to the pools in the morning, if they did, they would see that they are virtually deserted. It was fun to see so many neighbors walking to the pool every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday mornings. Some people didn't even do the exercises they just came to chat!



Does anybody care that it is clearly stated by the recreation department that this activity is not allowed? Are you aware that most of us drive someplace every day for our activities here in The Villages?

[sunnyatlast]

And newcomers wonder why one would spend the money for country club pool upgrade or to build one's own pool at home.

The pools here are not for a person or group to declare its use to be something other than what is stated by the recreation dept.

You'd have golf privileges taken away if you decided to declare that _____Executive Golf Course will be used 3 mornings a week for your neighborhood golf scramble outing.

It's not yours to run how you like it.

[graciegirl]

and newcomers wonder why one would spend the money for country club pool upgrade or to build one's own pool at home.

The pools here are not for a person or group to declare its use to be something other than what is stated by the recreation dept.

You'd have golf privileges taken away if you decided to declare that _____executive golf course will be used 3 mornings a week for your neighborhood golf scramble outing.

it's not yours to run how you like it.

Exactly.

[sunnyatlast]

Most of the people who commented on this thread probably don't go to the pools in the morning, if they did, they would see that they are virtually deserted.

Did you ever stop and think about why the pool looks "deserted" at that particular time/day of the week???

People quit going when they've been bullied by a clique that has taken over!

And they don't want to get into confrontations with people too brazen to be subject to rules!

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe that new card reader will solve the problem..................................

[sunnyatlast]

Maybe that new card reader will solve the problem..................................

You know...you're probably right. If a golfer's golf privileges have been taken away for violating the rules (by running their neighborhood golf scramble 3 mornings a week on a given executive course), that restriction would show up when the starter shack workers scan the ID card.

:wave: :wave: :wave:

[Happydaz]

Rules are important in order to have fairness and order. Sometimes the rules get amended to allow for change. As we get older we tend to become quite set in our ways and dislike change more than younger folk. It is often the younger people who lead these changes. They are not bullies. Change is happening all the time. Rules change. Change is good, right? Otherwise the world would be run by a group of grouchy old people.

[graciegirl]

Rules are important in order to have fairness and order. Sometimes the rules get amended to allow for change. As we get older we tend to become quite set in our ways and dislike change more than younger folk. It is often the younger people who lead these changes. They are not bullies. Change is happening all the time. Rules change. Change is good, right? Otherwise the world would be run by a group of grouchy old people.


Helloooo. The rules haven't changed. You aren't supposed to be having exercise classes in the neighborhood pools, no matter what you think is best or who you think is grouchy. It isn't allowed here in The Villages. It isn't your pool to do with as you see fit. It is our pool. All of ours and John Rohan is the boss of the pools. He says no.

[sunnyatlast]

Rules are important in order to have fairness and order. Sometimes the rules get amended to allow for change. As we get older we tend to become quite set in our ways and dislike change more than younger folk. It is often the younger people who lead these changes. They are not bullies. Change is happening all the time. Rules change. Change is good, right? Otherwise the world would be run by a group of grouchy old people.

So now bullying is just neutral "Change", with no negative repercussions at all.

Intimidation is "Change"?

Takeover is "Change"?

Disobedience of unchanged rules is just "Change"?

Greed for having more of a community facility for oneself/group is "Change"?

Now we see.

[Silver Fox]

So glad to read in the Daily Sun today that the Recreation Department is clamping down on those over-zealous and pushy (in the sense of literally pushing non-aerobic group pool users out of the way) non-sanctioned exercise groups who take over some neighborhood pools.

We are a small group of women who exercise in our neighborhood pools. we do not interfere with the other swimmers. Our doctors are SO pleased with our improved health. We are year round residents, who do not wish to stand in line for an hour or more to share a water aerobics class with the
"masses". We do not infringe on anyone else's space in the pool. What about the "noodle floaters" that encompass most of the pool space? Please do not deny us the privilege of pool use that is a privilege to all of us.

[Barefoot]

We are year round residents, who do not wish to stand in line for an hour or more to share a water aerobics class with the "masses".

:eek: You're kidding, right?

[quirky3]

We are a small group of women who exercise in our neighborhood pools. we do not interfere with the other swimmers. Our doctors are SO pleased with our improved health. We are year round residents, who do not wish to stand in line for an hour or more to share a water aerobics class with the
"masses". We do not infringe on anyone else's space in the pool. What about the "noodle floaters" that encompass most of the pool space? Please do not deny us the privilege of pool use that is a privilege to all of us.

It is not TOTV who is "denying you the privilege of (neighborhood) pool use" for exercise. It is The Villages. When you live in a community with rules and restrictions, and you "do not wish" to follow some of the rules, the way to proceed is to contact the people in authority and get the rules changed. Until then, its not (or it shouldn't be!) a free-for-all where you pick and choose the rules to follow.

[applesoffh]

Just curious, Silver Fox...what constitutes a "small group," what days and hours is your "small group" in the pool? The weekly Recreation news is very clear about pool uses. Serious lap swimmers can swim laps in sports pools during lap swim; people who wish to exercise may do so at sports pools during exercise hours, and people who wish to stand around, float in noodles, doggie paddle, etc., may do so in neighborhood pools. The fact that people in the neighorhood pools will usually get out of the way of the occasional lap swimmer is, well, neighborly. A group of people exercising in a neighborhood pool at set times and days is an exercise class.

[Bonanza]

We are a small group of women who exercise in our neighborhood pools. we do not interfere with the other swimmers. Our doctors are SO pleased with our improved health. We are year round residents, who do not wish to stand in line for an hour or more to share a water aerobics class with the
"masses". We do not infringe on anyone else's space in the pool. What about the "noodle floaters" that encompass most of the pool space? Please do not deny us the privilege of pool use that is a privilege to all of us.

I do not ever use a pool.
As a matter of fact, I don't even own a swim suit.
Consequently, I feel I am 100% unbiased on either side.

Okay Silver Fox . . . You say "a small group of women." If it's more than you and one friend, I'd say you are infringing upon the rights of every single person in your Village who chooses to use the pool. Frankly, no one cares that your doctors are pleased. Regardless of what you think, you are being selfish and care about no one other than your "small group of women!" You and your little group need to use the pool designed for your purpose. OR -- build your own pool and no one can or will object to what you do.

You are a "group" and don't infringe upon anyone else's space in the pool? You actually think that a 5" x 5' or so noodle "encompasses" most of the pool space? Surely you jest!

Sorry, madam -- you have blinders on.

[Happydaz]

Rules change all the time. If you want to do aerobics in a neighborhood pool then seek either a rule change or a clearer interpretation of the rule. Don't let people discourage you from doing an activity that involves a group of your local villagers. A lot of people who comment on this board spend all their time on the computer and don't even go outside, let alone swim in the local pool.

[manaboutown]

There's that sense of entitlement in action - again!

BTW silver fox, I'll bet your doctors would be even happier if you trained and participated in Triathlons!

You would not have to worry about being amongst "the masses" either, since you would be in a rarified group fer sure!

[DonH57]

I've been here in TV two years and I've never seen people having to stand in line to do water aerobics ot large masses of people preventing others from getting an exercise in. There are plenty of sports pools and hours in the day to get your water exercises done.

[CFrance]

Rules change all the time. If you want to do aerobics in a neighborhood pool then seek either a rule change or a clearer interpretation of the rule. Don't let people discourage you from doing an activity that involves a group of your local villagers. A lot of people who comment on this board spend all their time on the computer and don't even go outside, let alone swim in the local pool.
How in the world do you know this?

[Bonanza]

Rules change all the time. If you want to do aerobics in a neighborhood pool then seek either a rule change or a clearer interpretation of the rule. Don't let people discourage you from doing an activity that involves a group of your local villagers. A lot of people who comment on this board spend all their time on the computer and don't even go outside, let alone swim in the local pool.

Being a little presumptious, me thinks!

No, HappyDazed, the rule will not be changed because it is not fair and does not favor the majority of people in any given Village. The interpretation of the rule is very clear, but I guess you haven't read it.

There are places designed to do group things in a pool, but it is not in your community pool. If you don't like the rules, don't go!

One doesn't have to go to the pool to know what the right thing to do is, and as far as people who comment on this forum spending all their time on the computer and don't even go outside, it seems you are grasping at straws to make your comment believable.

[Barefoot]

A lot of people who comment on this board spend all their time on the computer and don't even go outside, let alone swim in the local pool.
Do you include yourself in this sweeping generalization?

[asianthree]

Rules change all the time. If you want to do aerobics in a neighborhood pool then seek either a rule change or a clearer interpretation of the rule. Don't let people discourage you from doing an activity that involves a group of your local villagers. A lot of people who comment on this board spend all their time on the computer and don't even go outside, let alone swim in the local pool.

In today's world you can sit at the pool and be on this site..or be awake at 4:33am and comment on this site as well. :popcorn: ( eating Garrett popcorn)

[Happydaz]

It is so easy to draw out the frequent posters! They are experts on everything, have an opinion on everything, and feel that they are the only ones that have an opinion that is correct. They quote your post and attack each phrase. Who wants to hear from the same people all the time? No wonder many people are gun shy about posting on this site. They are in fear of being attacked. The bullies are not doing aerobics at the neighborhood pools they are the frequent posters on this site!

[ziggie]

:bigbow::bigbow:It is so easy to draw out the frequent posters! They are experts on everything, have an opinion on everything, and feel that they are the only ones that have an opinion that is correct. They quote your post and attack each phrase. Who wants to hear from the same people all the time? No wonder many people are gun shy about posting on this site. They are in fear of being attacked. The bullies are not doing aerobics at the neighborhood pools they are the frequent posters on this site!

[Uptown Girl]

It is so easy to draw out the frequent posters! They are experts on everything, have an opinion on everything, and feel that they are the only ones that have an opinion that is correct. They quote your post and attack each phrase. Who wants to hear from the same people all the time? No wonder many people are gun shy about posting on this site. They are in fear of being attacked. The bullies are not doing aerobics at the neighborhood pools they are the frequent posters on this site!

Seems to me, pulling out the 'bully banner' is getting old. It doesn't apply anyway.

Bottom line is:
The Villages has some rules. Most follow the rules, even if they are not as 'convenient' as they may like. They see the broader perspective of why the rules are in place.

Some don't give a rat's patootie about any broader perspective.
They prefer to do what THEY want to do- they have no desire or intention to follow rules they don't like…. and don't welcome anyone voicing their opinion in the matter, either.
They will do it forever, pounding the square peg into the round hole-even if it ruins friendships, alienates people and leaves a wake of debris behind them. It is their lifestyle and none of the residual effect matters to them.

Ahhh, what schmoes some mortals be. :ohdear:

[TOTV Team]

PLEASE do not direct comments at other users we do not want to close threads that get too many of these types of violations in them.

Thanks in advance.