Nov 4th...The Day of Reckoning

[snowbird22154]

It all comes down to the "once legal" ballot just who wins the elections and it seems that our country is forever lost. If you believe in Christmas, The American Flag, having a Mother "and" a Father to raise your great grandchildren and making "eligible" people at least try to get off free programs as well as recognize that other countries shouldn't dictate our laws and or beliefs....then please vote. Let's hope "this time" the dead don't come back to life in the Voting polls

Your Grandchildren's future is DEFINATELY on the line.... :beer3:

[tomwed]

gee, I hope this thread doesn't get political

[memason]

It's a shame, we no longer have a political forum, where we could adequately debate your points.

Everyone should exercise their right to vote tomorrow, no matter your political convictions.

[tedquick]

It all comes down to the "once legal" ballot just who wins the elections and it seems that our country is forever lost. If you believe in Christmas, The American Flag, having a Mother "and" a Father to raise your great grandchildren and making "eligible" people at least try to get off free programs as well as recognize that other countries shouldn't dictate our laws and or beliefs....then please vote. Let's hope "this time" the dead don't come back to life in the Voting polls

Your Grandchildren's future is DEFINATELY on the line.... :beer3:

You see it as clearly as I do. Those of us who understand where we came from and what made our country the greatest in the history of the world MUST get out and vote. Those who base their voting on what "feels and sounds" good, while they certainly have the right to vote, if they ignore the facts and vote on their feelings, and more of them go to the polls than we thinkers, then we are in trouble. If more "feelers" than "thinkers" vote tomorrow our country, as we have come to love and respect her, could be permanently lost. There may be no way to recover. We are teetering on the edge right now.

PLEASE, all who really understand, VOTE!!

[tedquick]

gee, I hope this thread doesn't get political

I just forgot, this is not a political forum.

[billethkid]

The day of reckoning will be defined by those that win the election. In that regard there will be no loser(s).

The real losers will again be those who just don't the interest in helping to direct this country where it should be going.

[OpusX1]

HEAVEN AND HELL

While walking down the street one day a Corrupt Senator (redundant) was tragically hit by a car and died.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the Senator.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really?, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the Senator. I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and the ladies are in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are all having such a good time that before the Senator realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to visit heaven...

So, 24 hours passed with the Senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a very good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The Senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell...

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

"I don't understand," stammers the Senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"*

The devil smiles at him and says,

"Yesterday we were campaigning, Today, you voted.."*

[redwitch]

So, to vote "correctly" I have to believe in Christmas, the American flag, two-parent families. Guess I shouldn't vote. I believe everyone has the right to choose their religion and their God or no God if that is how they lean. I adopted my daughter as a single parent. I have gay friends who have children via adoption, surrogacy, in vitriol fertilization. I believe in America but the flag is simply a symbol. I respect our flag. I love our country.

Sorry, this thread isn't political, but it is extremely offensive.

[JB in TV]

So, to vote "correctly" I have to believe in Christmas, the American flag, two-parent families. Guess I shouldn't vote. ....

The OP didn't say you had to believe in those thngs to vote "correctly" IT did seem however that it if you believed in those things, then you were being encouraged tovote. ??????

Without choosing "sides" I agree it was in poor taste, and bordering on being in violation of TOTV political post quidelines.

[eweissenbach]

So, to vote "correctly" I have to believe in Christmas, the American flag, two-parent families. Guess I shouldn't vote. I believe everyone has the right to choose their religion and their God or no God if that is how they lean. I adopted my daughter as a single parent. I have gay friends who have children via adoption, surrogacy, in vitriol fertilization. I believe in America but the flag is simply a symbol. I respect our flag. I love our country.

Sorry, this thread isn't political, but it is extremely offensive.

The OP didn't say you had to believe in those thngs to vote "correctly" IT did seem however that it if you believed in those things, then you were being encouraged tovote. ??????

Without choosing "sides" I agree it was in poor taste, and bordering on being in violation of TOTV political post quidelines.

Yes and yes. BTW, this thread is most assuredly political.

[Bogie Shooter]

Is this all some kind of a riddle?

[Cisco Kid]

Christmas :loco:

Am I the only one that believes in Santa Claus ?

[redwitch]

You're right, the OP simply said if you believe in those things, then please vote. I took it to mean that those who have other beliefs should stand by the wayside and not vote. To me, voting is important and everyone should be encouraged to vote, regardless of their beliefs. It seems some do not believe this. How sad and still extremely offensive.

[rubicon]

I use to think that way too. I mean that it is our patriotic duty to vote. However given several samplings of the typical voter on the street by various television personalities and a movie I recently viewed called Compliance I am convinced that the average voter is below average. Now add to that the number of cases of voter fraud and it really get depressing.

PS I voted on October 21 right after my round of golf.

[jblum315]

I think I voted twice. (Can't quite remember) and I'm a Democrat!

[gomoho]

I think I voted twice. (Can't quite remember) and I'm a Democrat!

No surprise there!

[JoMar]

So, to vote "correctly" I have to believe in Christmas, the American flag, two-parent families. Guess I shouldn't vote. I believe everyone has the right to choose their religion and their God or no God if that is how they lean. I adopted my daughter as a single parent. I have gay friends who have children via adoption, surrogacy, in vitriol fertilization. I believe in America but the flag is simply a symbol. I respect our flag. I love our country.

Sorry, this thread isn't political, but it is extremely offensive.

I agree that the flag is a symbol.....but you didn't tell us what you believe it is a symbol "of".

[rdhdleo]

You see it as clearly as I do. Those of us who understand where we came from and what made our country the greatest in the history of the world MUST get out and vote. Those who base their voting on what "feels and sounds" good, while they certainly have the right to vote, if they ignore the facts and vote on their feelings, and more of them go to the polls than we thinkers, then we are in trouble. If more "feelers" than "thinkers" vote tomorrow our country, as we have come to love and respect her, could be permanently lost. There may be no way to recover. We are teetering on the edge right now.

PLEASE, all who really understand, VOTE!!

So seriously you seem to imply that if people do not vote to "your" way of thinking they most assuredly must not be a "thinker" Really? Anyway that is the way you made it sound.... SMH

[eweissenbach]

So seriously you seem to imply that if people do not vote to "your" way of thinking they most assuredly must not be a "thinker" Really? Anyway that is the way you made it sound.... SMH

Well, we don't want those "unwashed masses" (you know who you are) deciding how WE are to be governed.

[Vladimir]

Offensive??? The OP has a different view from yours...I agree with Rubicon, too many ill informed below average voters and I might add not enough "founding fathers" type leaders.

[Cisco Kid]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[eweissenbach]

Offensive??? The OP has a different view from yours...I agree with Rubicon, too many ill informed below average voters and I might add not enough "founding fathers" type leaders.

Need to have Chris Kobach design legislation demanding voters pass a current events test -- and write the test.

[Bogie Shooter]

So seriously you seem to imply that if people do not vote to "your" way of thinking they most assuredly must not be a "thinker" Really? Anyway that is the way you made it sound.... SMH

I agree!

[Bogie Shooter]

Need to have Chris Kobach design legislation demanding voters pass a current events test -- and write the test.

If you don't know who Chris Kobach is..............
Google

[janmcn]

IQ test for voting went the way of the horse and buggy. BTW: I voted three times and I don't know how to read or write.

[Madelaine Amee]

Offensive??? The OP has a different view from yours...I agree with Rubicon, too many ill informed below average voters and I might add not enough "founding fathers" type leaders.

The Founding Father's must be turning over in their graves at the trash we have running this country - and I mean on BOTH sides of the aisles!

[eweissenbach]

If you don't know who Chris Kobach is..............
Google

If you don't know who Chris Kobach is I envy you! As to my previous posts, turn up your sarcasm meter.

[Chi-Town]

It all comes down to the "once legal" ballot just who wins the elections and it seems that our country is forever lost. If you believe in Christmas, The American Flag, having a Mother "and" a Father to raise your great grandchildren and making "eligible" people at least try to get off free programs as well as recognize that other countries shouldn't dictate our laws and or beliefs....then please vote. Let's hope "this time" the dead don't come back to life in the Voting polls

Your Grandchildren's future is DEFINATELY on the line.... :beer3:

If you capitalize and bolden "definitely" at least spell it correctly. You wouldn't want to be tossed into that less than average category.

[tedquick]

So seriously you seem to imply that if people do not vote to "your" way of thinking they most assuredly must not be a "thinker" Really? Anyway that is the way you made it sound.... SMH

Some clarification: the “feelers”, those who make unlearned and emotional decisions exclusive of historical and present-day data and instead make their decisions based on “feelings” or because it “sounds” good, are a danger to our nation’s future. I have friends who are farther left than I am right and if they (or anyone) can actually justify their positions, even if different than my own, while I must disagree with their positions, they should indeed exercise their rights. Those who vote straight “feelings” and are void of logical thinking are a danger to you, themselves and our entire country. While I did not say it in my original post, I hope they find something else to do tomorrow.

[Madelaine Amee]

Some clarification: the “feelers”, those who make unlearned and emotional decisions exclusive of historical and present-day data and instead make their decisions based on “feelings” or because it “sounds” good, are a danger to our nation’s future. I have friends who are farther left than I am right and if they (or anyone) can actually justify their positions, even if different than my own, while I must disagree with their positions, they should indeed exercise their rights. Those who vote straight “feelings” and are void of logical thinking are a danger to you, themselves and our entire country. While I did not say it in my original post, I hope they find something else to do tomorrow.

... and this comes down to being your own personal opinion. There is no proof that you are correct in thinking your left leaning friends have no intelligence or are wrong in the way they vote or see the world, and I am sure they feel exactly the same way about you, and probably walk away shaking their heads and saying what a ...........

[Topspinmo]

Let's get back on topic" IMO it means the dead, illegal, the brainwashed, and quadruple Voters will turn out and steam roll the party that brought, gave, and stole the once great county. After all Joe BItme called it. I just feel sorry for the people that voted him in so many times!:censored:

[Chi-Town]

Some clarification: the “feelers”, those who make unlearned and emotional decisions exclusive of historical and present-day data and instead make their decisions based on “feelings” or because it “sounds” good, are a danger to our nation’s future. I have friends who are farther left than I am right and if they (or anyone) can actually justify their positions, even if different than my own, while I must disagree with their positions, they should indeed exercise their rights. Those who vote straight “feelings” and are void of logical thinking are a danger to you, themselves and our entire country. While I did not say it in my original post, I hope they find something else to do tomorrow.
Too bad Mr. Spock can't vote. He would have met your logical criterion.

[tedquick]

... and this comes down to being your own personal opinion. There is no proof that you are correct in thinking your left leaning friends have no intelligence or are wrong in the way they vote or see the world, and I am sure they feel exactly the same way about you, and probably walk away shaking their heads and saying what a ...........

I have no idea how you came up with the notion that if someone reaches a conclusion different from mine that I think that they have no intelligence. One of my friends is a genius (I'm not) but he was unable to justify his left-leaning positions. He argued instead from an emotional level. Decisions based on emotions and "feel good" with no logical basis are a danger to all of us and the future viability of America.

[eweissenbach]

I have no idea how you came up with the notion that if someone reaches a conclusion different from mine that I think that they have no intelligence. One of my friends is a genius (I'm not) but he was unable to justify his left-leaning positions. He argued instead from an emotional level. Decisions based on emotions and "feel good" with no logical basis are a danger to all of us and the future viability of America.


Thanks. You make me feel good to be a Democrat.

[tedquick]

Too bad Mr. Spock can't vote He would have met your logical criterion.

So you believe that our nation should be lead by leaders whose decisions are based on emotions?

[Chi-Town]

So you believe that our nation should be lead by leaders whose decisions are based on emotions?
That's a good question. I used the Spock reference, because he was the only one I could think of who was purely logical and he's fictional. Emotion of some degree is involved in most decisions; it's human nature.

[eweissenbach]

So you believe that our nation should be lead by leaders whose decisions are based on emotions?

So, let's see; opposing equal rights for gays and women is a logical issue? I could go on and on, but this is not a political forum and you catch the drift.

[tedquick]

Thanks. You make me feel good to be a Democrat.

Because I have a left-leaning friend who was a genius, that you believe that emotional argumentation is the right way to debate (and vote) or just because it “feels” good to be a Democrat?

[eweissenbach]

Because I have a left-leaning friend who was a genius, that you believe that emotional argumentation is the right way to debate (and vote) or just because it “feels” good to be a Democrat?

Your arrogance is overwhelming. You are a logical god.

[redwitch]

So, if you are pro-human rights, equality and all that other liberal bullcarp, your decisions are based on emotion rather than logic? Sorry, I've heard too many vote for either side because "if it was good enough for my father, it's good enough for me;" "I always vote the party ticket;" and so on and so forth. People rarely vote logically. If they did, history would be far different. We would have had no Truman, Eisenhower would never have been elected and who in their right mind votes in an actor whose only qualification was being head of an actors' union as governor of the wealthiest state in the Union at that time, let alone elect him president to give a few examples.

Using the criteria given by the OP, no one pro gay rights should vote tomorrow. Nor should a single mother unless, of course, she plans to get married in the near future, I guess. You definitely should have the "America love it or leave it" sentimentality of the protest era. Only those with the middle class values of the fifties should vote.

According to TedQ, if you can't be logical in making selections, you probably shouldn't vote, either.

Between you two, not many folks would be allowed to vote regardless of eligibility, the Constitution would truly be just a piece of paper, the Bill of Rights irrelevant and every military individual who died fighting to maintain freedom here and abroad may just as well have committed suicide and saved the expense of training, etc.

The right to vote is given to American citizens who are non-felons. Other criteria such as having to be a white male, a landowner or even literate was declared unconstitutional a long time ago. It is okay to vote illogically or emotionally. It is okay to vote even if you don't have the same viewpoints as your neighbor. It is even okay to be befuddled by the thought process of another voter. But to even remotely imply that certain categories of voters should not vote is obscene.

I sincerely doubt I will be happy with the results of tomorrow's election on many issues but, as I have done in the past, I'll swallow hard and accept the decisions made by the majority of those who voted and just hope we can survive until the next election.

[perrjojo]

I wonder if the Moderator is on vacation. Political and personal remarks are certainly on this thread. Neither are allowed. Oh well.

[Kahuna32162]

or out to lunch or both.....

[rdhdleo]

So, if you are pro-human rights, equality and all that other liberal bullcarp, your decisions are based on emotion rather than logic? Sorry, I've heard too many vote for either side because "if it was good enough for my father, it's good enough for me;" "I always vote the party ticket;" and so on and so forth. People rarely vote logically. If they did, history would be far different. We would have had no Truman, Eisenhower would never have been elected and who in their right mind votes in an actor whose only qualification was being head of an actors' union as governor of the wealthiest state in the Union at that time, let alone elect him president to give a few examples.

Using the criteria given by the OP, no one pro gay rights should vote tomorrow. Nor should a single mother unless, of course, she plans to get married in the near future, I guess. You definitely should have the "America love it or leave it" sentimentality of the protest era. Only those with the middle class values of the fifties should vote.

According to TedQ, if you can't be logical in making selections, you probably shouldn't vote, either.

Between you two, not many folks would be allowed to vote regardless of eligibility, the Constitution would truly be just a piece of paper, the Bill of Rights irrelevant and every military individual who died fighting to maintain freedom here and abroad may just as well have committed suicide and saved the expense of training, etc.

The right to vote is given to American citizens who are non-felons. Other criteria such as having to be a white male, a landowner or even literate was declared unconstitutional a long time ago. It is okay to vote illogically or emotionally. It is okay to vote even if you don't have the same viewpoints as your neighbor. It is even okay to be befuddled by the thought process of another voter. But to even remotely imply that certain categories of voters should not vote is obscene.

I sincerely doubt I will be happy with the results of tomorrow's election on many issues but, as I have done in the past, I'll swallow hard and accept the decisions made by the majority of those who voted and just hope we can survive until the next election.

Very well said, thank you :bigbow:

[Bogie Shooter]

So you believe that our nation should be lead by leaders whose decisions are based on emotions?

You mean like going to war..........just for the hell of it?

[quirky3]

:BigApplause:So, if you are pro-human rights, equality and all that other liberal bullcarp, your decisions are based on emotion rather than logic? Sorry, I've heard too many vote for either side because "if it was good enough for my father, it's good enough for me;" "I always vote the party ticket;" and so on and so forth. People rarely vote logically. If they did, history would be far different. We would have had no Truman, Eisenhower would never have been elected and who in their right mind votes in an actor whose only qualification was being head of an actors' union as governor of the wealthiest state in the Union at that time, let alone elect him president to give a few examples.

Using the criteria given by the OP, no one pro gay rights should vote tomorrow. Nor should a single mother unless, of course, she plans to get married in the near future, I guess. You definitely should have the "America love it or leave it" sentimentality of the protest era. Only those with the middle class values of the fifties should vote.

According to TedQ, if you can't be logical in making selections, you probably shouldn't vote, either.

Between you two, not many folks would be allowed to vote regardless of eligibility, the Constitution would truly be just a piece of paper, the Bill of Rights irrelevant and every military individual who died fighting to maintain freedom here and abroad may just as well have committed suicide and saved the expense of training, etc.

The right to vote is given to American citizens who are non-felons. Other criteria such as having to be a white male, a landowner or even literate was declared unconstitutional a long time ago. It is okay to vote illogically or emotionally. It is okay to vote even if you don't have the same viewpoints as your neighbor. It is even okay to be befuddled by the thought process of another voter. But to even remotely imply that certain categories of voters should not vote is obscene.

I sincerely doubt I will be happy with the results of tomorrow's election on many issues but, as I have done in the past, I'll swallow hard and accept the decisions made by the majority of those who voted and just hope we can survive until the next election.

:BigApplause: "Equal rights for all Americans".....such a difficult concept for some!

[Bogie Shooter]

And the political forum rises from the dead. Here's betting this thread is closed before election day.

[sunnyatlast]

:BigApplause:

:BigApplause: "Equal rights for all Americans".....such a difficult concept for some!

And for some others, "Equal outcomes for all, regardless of effort or disobeying the law" is difficult to tolerate.

Why should people who break voting laws be afforded "equal rights"? Because it makes some feel good about themselves, "helping" people destroy the integrity of law-abiding citizens' vote?

[Bogie Shooter]

Hasn't voter fraud been declared a myth?

[tedquick]

Your arrogance is overwhelming. You are a logical god.

Some of you (actually most) have me smiling. I am a little surprised at some of the emotions that have shown up as most of my comments have been intended to be thought provoking and certainly not intended to get anyone angry.

I hope that everyone reading this thread, regardless of your position politically gets to the polls tomorrow if you haven't already voted. Have a great evening.

[Rags123]

Some of you (actually most) have me smiling. I am a little surprised at some of the emotions that have shown up as most of my comments have been intended to be thought provoking and certainly not intended to get anyone angry.

I hope that everyone reading this thread, regardless of your position politically gets to the polls tomorrow if you haven't already voted. Have a great evening.

ANGER void of any facts IS the politics of many !!!

Problem is we have allowed politics to enter into every aspect of our life. Nothing that happens anymore is void of political leanings. To convince someone of whatever is felt, is taken to the political arena to put pressure on and each party selects which of those feelings will best assist them at the voting booths.

Add to that FACTS are now presented with absolutely any context...context is a thing of the past.....and then add that the source of many facts is substantially voided out by bias and you have a very confused electorate who are nothing but frustrated.

I am incredibly shocked at how long this thread has been allowed to continue.

[eweissenbach]

Some of you (actually most) have me smiling. I am a little surprised at some of the emotions that have shown up as most of my comments have been intended to be thought provoking and certainly not intended to get anyone angry.

I hope that everyone reading this thread, regardless of your position politically gets to the polls tomorrow if you haven't already voted. Have a great evening.

Yes some people have emotions, some of whom are actually quite logical as well. I think your way of provoking thought is illogical, but that is just me. Have a nice logical evening.