Panjo?? Is this new that there is a "fee" for selling?

[Sueclark]

We sold porch furniture last year, and it was just between buyer and seller. No "paypal" fee. Is this new? I don't have a paypal account. Is there a way to avoid this "middle" step? Please email privately. Thanks

[Indydealmaker]

We sold porch furniture last year, and it was just between buyer and seller. No "paypal" fee. Is this new? I don't have a paypal account. Is there a way to avoid this "middle" step? Please email privately. Thanks

This is an area that still has to be addressed by the Admin. There is NO FEE for selling on TOTV. Panjo is a classified service that is subscribed to by forums as a way to value-add the forum. Many of the forums utilize the full Panjo approach. TOTV does not.

TOTV (I think) intends to modify the code to take out some of the standard wording that is so confusing and does not apply to our use of the Panjo format on this forum.

As far as Paypal goes, it is by far the most efficient way to sell/buy online. No one ever sees your individual credit card information. Paypal also has a guarantee program to keep you from getting screwed by the Seller.

[tomwed]

The other day I bought a vacuum cleaner. I could not understand the Pango terms of agrement and did not want to spend the entire day sorting it out.

[Indydealmaker]

The other day I bought a vacuum cleaner. I could not understand the Pango terms of agrement and did not want to spend the entire day sorting it out.

Those terms are the part that is hard to understand. Those terms do not apply at all. I suspect that Panjo will not give the source code to TOTV and it is not a priority for Panjo to make the changes on behalf of TOTV.

[TOTV Team]

There are no fees for using the Panjo software on TOTV. You do not need to use PayPal. If you choose to use Paypal you may have their fees.

TOTV Team

[tomwed]

There are no fees for using the Panjo software on TOTV. You do not need to use PayPal. If you choose to use Paypal you may have their fees.

TOTV Team

So if I see something I would like to buy, agree to pay the asking price and use Panjo does this mean no one pays any fees to anyone if I don't use PayPal?

Does this also mean that the seller should consider the product sold?

Can the buyer change their mind for any reason?

I'm not trying to play with the rules or terms, I just want to understand them.

[villagetinker]

Now you know why I have walked away from several items on this site.

[casita37]

I suggest you just ignore the "Buy Now" and contact the seller direct, as always. Simple.

[Indydealmaker]

So if I see something I would like to buy, agree to pay the asking price and use Panjo does this mean no one pays any fees to anyone if I don't use PayPal?

Does this also mean that the seller should consider the product sold?

Can the buyer change their mind for any reason?

I'm not trying to play with the rules or terms, I just want to understand them.

No fees from Panjo or TOTV.

If seller agrees to take Paypal, then they pay a fee to Paypal.

If you decide to pay with Paypal, you do so without a fee.

If you click Buy Now, the seller is supposed to acknowledge that you are the sole buyer.

It would help if sellers would just follow the procedures as laid out by Panjo.

Generally, a buyer can always decide to change their minds until funds exchange hands.

[Indydealmaker]

I suggest you just ignore the "Buy Now" and contact the seller direct, as always. Simple.

If you do what you suggest and another buyer clicks Buy Now, he owns it.

I sure wish that those who are confused by the Classified setup would enumerate exactly what creates the confusion.

[ldj1938]

I have used paypal for years and have never had a problem. There are no fees that I am aware of. They make their money from your funds that you have on deposit. It you charge something on paypal and it is over $99 you have six months to pay for it without interest. I use the $ on deposit to send cash to my daughter that needs a little financial help. The card is free and she can withdraw all the funds that I have put on her account. It was designed for students, but anyone can have one of these cards. NO FEE. This is the safest way to buy online!

[Indydealmaker]

I have used paypal for years and have never had a problem. There are no fees that I am aware of. They make their money from your funds that you have on deposit. It you charge something on paypal and it is over $99 you have six months to pay for it without interest. I use the $ on deposit to send cash to my daughter that needs a little financial help. The card is free and she can withdraw all the funds that I have put on her account. It was designed for students, but anyone can have one of these cards. NO FEE. This is the safest way to buy online!

You are right. I forgot that even the person (seller) receiving the money does not pay a fee to Paypal. It is usually the website like Ebay that charges a selling fee and in the instance of TOTV, they are not charging anything for transactions originating from this forum's classifieds.

[Mikeod]

From the website:

There's no fee to use PayPal to purchase goods or services. However, if you receive money for goods or services (such as from selling an item on eBay), the fee for each transaction is 2.9% plus $0.30 USD of the amount you receive.

[casita37]

If you do what you suggest and another buyer clicks Buy Now, he owns it.

I sure wish that those who are confused by the Classified setup would enumerate exactly what creates the confusion.

Do you mean that while I am in the process of communicating with the seller, another person clicks Buy Now, and I would lose the item? I suppose that could happen.

[JB in TV]

Do you mean that while I am in the process of communicating with the seller, another person clicks Buy Now, and I would lose the item? I suppose that could happen.

That's the way I understand it, not a very good system, it seems. I'm not sure what was wrong with the way TOTV did it before Panjo. It felt much more "home town"... local. A buyer delt directly with the seller...

[CFrance]

Do you mean that while I am in the process of communicating with the seller, another person clicks Buy Now, and I would lose the item? I suppose that could happen.
Yes. That's exactly the way it works on the wildly popular eBay too. It's just a chance you take.

But you could be eye-balling an item on a rack or shelf in a store, and someone could come up and take it for themselves if you don't have a hand on it.

[walkr]

I had an item listed for sale and someone who was interested in it clicked "Buy Now" without seeing it, and then decided they didn't want it. I did not realize that the item was no longer listed and ended up losing a sale because of it.

[tomwed]

I had an item listed for sale and someone who was interested in it clicked "Buy Now" without seeing it, and then decided they didn't want it. I did not realize that the item was no longer listed and ended up losing a sale because of it.

exactly my point

please explain the rules

all but one of us will care if you enumerate

[Indydealmaker]

I had an item listed for sale and someone who was interested in it clicked "Buy Now" without seeing it, and then decided they didn't want it. I did not realize that the item was no longer listed and ended up losing a sale because of it.

That is a good reason to use Paypal because the buyer would then have had to checkout and pay. Then it was too late for him to backout.

However, that being said, it was not ethical for him to change his mind. He obligated himself to buy it and in doing so took the item off of the market. He owes you the deal. He can just resell it if he does not want it.

Most experienced online buyers jump in and buy sight unseen. They rely on the seller's honest representation and the pictures.

I have noticed on here that all too many sellers provide no information, sizes, condition, weight, color, etc. A seller needs to provide all of the data that they themselves would require if they were the buyer.

You might as well forget thinking that you can suck the buyer into calling you for info and then putting a selling job on him. That is old school and rarely works. In the digital age, there is ALWAYS other item just like it right around the corner.

[wholman66]

The Panjo process is a piece of crap, period! I have complained to Panjo and TOTV, no response from TOTV, only disclaimers from Panjo!!! Don't bother, call seller directly...

[Indydealmaker]

The Panjo process is a piece of crap, period! I have complained to Panjo and TOTV, no response from TOTV, only disclaimers from Panjo!!! Don't bother, call seller directly...

So, I guess you won't mind if while you are calling, someone else clicks the Buy Now?

Half of the phone calls to a seller result in leaving a message for the seller to call you back. Then when they call you, you are out so they leave a message, etc. etc. Panjo works like Ebay. If you want it, just go ahead and buy it before someone else does. How can that be a bad thing?

Instead of a generic complaint, try explaining exactly what part of the Classifieds does not work for you.

[TOTV Team]

We are going to put together a video that will help users who are not familiar with Ebay or the selling process online to better assist.

Best Regards,

TOTV Team