"A" perspective of Barrack Hussein Obama?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I received this from a good friend this morning:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

I have not researched the origin of the video yet....but intend to.
I send it to this forum as I have other friends...to encourage finding out as much as possible about ANY of the candidates.

The unexplained refusal to salute the flag properly, or wear the flag pin, and tolerance of Rev. Wright including appointing him as spiritual leader of his campaign is extremely disconcerting to me.....all of which were issues before this video of course!

Populism is not the way to support a potential leader of this country and that is what is happening...

If he happens to get nominated there will be more forthcoming about where Obama's head and heart really is!!

BTK

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I haven't watched the video, but I did see Mr. Obama explain the flag saluting thing the other night on the news. There was something floating around the internet on this (email) which I assume is the same thing on the video. He said regarding the picture in the email, the flag was actually behind him, and there was a person speaking in front of him, and he was listening to the person, so he didn't feel it was appropriate to salute the flag which was behind him, in that particular situation.

I have seen numerous pictures of him saluting the flag, so in my opinion it is erroneous for anyone to suggest that he "refuses to salute the flag properly."


As far as the flag pin,this is what he told ABC news: The Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism. I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart," Obama said Thursday while campaigning in Independence, Iowa.

"You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. And you show your patriotism by being true to your values and ideals. And that's what we have to lead with, our values and ideals," Obama said.


Personally, I would never judge a person's patriotism by whether or not he/she wears a pin. In my mind, a person's actions define whether or not they're a patriot, and it sounds like that is what Obama is saying.

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The video is no longer viewable......apparently generated too much heat!

Once again someone doing the thinking for the masses!!!

BTK

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A man who calls himself an American and consciously removes the American Flag from his lapel and claims to replace his patriotism with his thoughts and ideas is to me a scary person and I fear that the Muslim members will be dancing in the streets if he were elected president. Dear God don't let that happen :'(
Handie :joke:

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Handie :joke:


A man who calls himself an American and consciously removes the American Flag from his lapel and claims to replace his patriotism with his thoughts and ideas is to me a scary person and I fear that the Muslim members will be dancing in the streets if he were elected president. Dear God don't let that happen :'(
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I love this country with a passion -- I don't like everything about it but I love it nonetheless. I am about as pro-military as a non-combatant can ever be. I am also very anti-war. You will never see me with a flag pin on my body. I don't need to demonstrate my love for this country with a symbol. It shows in my comments, my thoughts and my deeds. Sorry if I scare you, Handie.

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:agree: You nailed it, Red.




I love this country with a passion -- I don't like everything about it but I love it nonetheless. I am about as pro-military as a non-combatant can ever be. I am also very anti-war. You will never see me with a flag pin on my body. I don't need to demonstrate my love for this country with a symbol. It shows in my comments, my thoughts and my deeds. Sorry if I scare you, Handie.

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:agree: Red

but I do wear a Flag pin occasionally...as I do Christmas pins, Valentine pins, shamrock pins, bunny pins, witch/ghost pins, and turkey pins...

I don't care what pins people wear or not wear.

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Dear God don't let that happen :'([/center]Handie :joke:

:agree: :agree:

I'm scared to death. This is a very frightening thought. I don't wear Flag pins but I do love this country and I'm extremely fearful of the Muslim's hatred for us. They will go to any extreme lengths to hurt us, without question.

I have never posted on Political thread and never will again, but I can't let this go without giving my opinion and support to Handie's statement.

Kath

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A man who calls himself an American and consciously removes the American Flag from his lapel and claims to replace his patriotism with his thoughts and ideas is to me a scary person and I fear that the Muslim members will be dancing in the streets if he were elected president. Dear God don't let that happen :'(
Handie :joke:


Handi, do you wear a flag pin? This, my dear, is ridiculous! Should we judge you on your actions and your deeds??? Think about it. Do you think a flag pin absolves you of any wrongdoings you might have taken part in? This, as usual, is much ado about nothing. I would like everyone of you that wears a flag pin, everyday, to please step forward. And please don't give me that stupid argument (But, we're not running for President!) It doesn't hold water. I agree with Red. It's actions and good deeds that make a man. Think about it Handi.

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It's actions and good deeds that make a man. :bigthumbsup: :agree:

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:agree: Red

but I do wear a Flag pin occasionally...as I do Christmas pins, Valentine pins, shamrock pins, bunny pins, witch/ghost pins, and turkey pins...

I don't care what pins people wear or not wear.

Thank you Brightspot and Red -- the voice of reason.

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I'd also like to add, what is scary to me is people who base their vote on meaningless things like whether or not someone wears a flag pin, rather than the so many important issues we have at stake in this country. Anyone who goes thru the rigors of the campaign trail, opening up their lives and their families lives to incredible public and media scrutiny is obviously making the supreme patriotic sacrifice, and I respect them all, no matter what party they belong to.

And sorry, I really don't get the logic - "muslims will be dancing in the streets", because Obama was elected without wearing a flag pin? Get a grip....

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Not wearing a pin, and everyones panties in a knot....... shallow.
Never wearing a pin......... screams volumes. Your not listening.

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Actually, I am listening, quite carefully as a matter of fact. The last time I wore a flag pin I think I was 13 or 14. Haven't worn one since. I don't need a symbol to show my love of this country. I don't think Obama does, either. If someone wants to wear a pin or have a flag on their golf cart, good for them. I just refuse to accept that not doing so makes someone less of a patriot.

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I think this thread is pretty much a waste of time. When someone won't vote for Obama because they're afraid of Muslims (he's not nor has he ever been a Muslim) or because he doesn't wear a flag pin because states he wants to be judged on his actions rather than shallow symbols, it speaks volumes to me. Obviously the posters wouldn't vote for him no matter what he did. He could tatoo his entire body with the American flag and it wouldn't be good enough. These people aren't listening to the facts - they're hyped up against him based on emotions, not facts or logic. Some people are like that. They may not like him because he's black, or because he's Democrat, or whatever, but there's obviously some sort of negative emotional trigger.

This political forum would be much more interesting if people would debate the issues -- remember them? The war, the economy, etc..???

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This political forum would be much more interesting if people would debate the issues -- remember them? The war, the economy, etc..???


You don't consider the platform of the Presidential candidates an issue? We can debate the war, economy, etc. but not to relate those to the candidates is absurd during this election year.

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I think this thread is pretty much a waste of time. When someone won't vote for Obama because they're afraid of Muslims (he's not nor has he ever been a Muslim) or because he doesn't wear a flag pin because states he wants to be judged on his actions rather than shallow symbols, it speaks volumes to me. Obviously the posters wouldn't vote for him no matter what he did. He could tatoo his entire body with the American flag and it wouldn't be good enough. These people aren't listening to the facts - they're hyped up against him based on emotions, not facts or logic. Some people are like that. They may not like him because he's black, or because he's Democrat, or whatever, but there's obviously some sort of negative emotional trigger.

This political forum would be much more interesting if people would debate the issues -- remember them? The war, the economy, etc..???





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This political forum would be much more interesting if people would debate the issues -- remember them? The war, the economy, etc..???


The problem with that is what's to debate -- the economy is in the toilet; the war is an obscenity. GWB has hurt this nation more than I even care to think about, let alone discuss.

I'll debate the silly things like flag pins and salutes so that maybe, just maybe, I can get one person to understand that Obama should not be condemned for trivial issues. If you're afraid he'll become president, give me a concrete reason why -- not his genetic makeup; not his parents; not something as dumb as whether or not he'll wear a flag pin or salute during the anthem.

BTW -- For those who missed it, CNN has now debunked the myth that Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta -- he spent two years in a Catholic school there and two years in a public school. His birth father was NOT a Muslim. In fact, he was an atheist.

McCain scares me. I truly do believe he'll pull us right into Iran. Now is not the time for a hawk to be president.

I preferred Hillary over Obama. However, it doesn't look like that's a choice I'll get. I've heard reference after reference that Obama missed many roll calls in the U.S. Senate and has an absymal record. According to the Washington Post, McCain has missed the most votes since announcing his candidacy -- 58.5%; Obama 40.3%; Clinton 29.9%. (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/) Given those stats, why isn't McCain's lack of voting mentioned?

So, Dancer, while it would be nice to get down to brass tacks, it seems most don't want to. They'd rather elect someone who may just be the wrong man by slandering another and bringing up trivia and acting as if it (1) matters and (2) is written on stone in blood.

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Red, I agree with you, unfortunately. Slander seems to be the name of the game. That's how Bush in large part got elected the last time. I just hope that the majority of Americans are smart enough to see beyond that a second time around. I'm also hoping that the enthusiasm Obama has generated among young people will pan out for him. Its great that he has mobilized these young voters and given them hope.

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Keep up the good posts Lil Dancer!

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Great post, Lil Dancer!

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I am not a Obama supporter.....

It scares me that his middle name is being used to spread fear...also the video says that Obama went to a Muslim school...that is simply not true.

I don't have a flag on my chest or my car but after 9/11 when I went outside the US all my shirts, socks and at least one pair of my shoes had one. I have 2 nephews in the military...one who has been to Iraq 4 times and has a Purple Heart. I don't support the war, never did....got the finger from many as they passed by an antiwar demonstation I attended as my nephew was sailing off to war.

We have a really bad economy....high gas prices and still our soldiers are in a Civil War. John McCain says they will be there for 100 years and he voted against the GI Bill. Give me a break.

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The pin issue by itself is minor ....but add the comments from his wife, and especially from his pastor of twenty years...GD America. How many of you would have sat thru those sermons?

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The pin issue by itself is minor ....but add the comments from his wife, and especially from his pastor of twenty years...GD America. How many of you would have sat thru those sermons?


I believe we are supposed to be voting for the candidate....not his wife nor his pastor. I know Nancy Reagan was very much into astrology..something I don't believe in but I voted for Reagan. Also I think that Rev White has proved himself to somewhat self absorbed..were he a true friend of Obama he would have gone and sat in a corner, however he basked in the light of his 15 mins of fame.

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Well said, ColoGal.

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:agree: :agree: ColoGal.
The more they try to damage Obama with these topics, the more I realize they are desperate to assasinate his character. ;)

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The "pin" issue may have been taken to a degree far greater than it's worth. That being said, symbolism is very important for anyone wanting to represent him/herself as a leader of this nation.

Leaders, and what they may do, are often interpreted not by just their words, but by their body language, dress, and general comportment. That's not just in the case of folk whose votes are being sought, but also by those whose actions (i.e., foreign leaders) may be influenced by them. There is an expectation that the leaders of this nation will appear at official functions in the "corporate uniform" of the job, and (for example) not wearing the equivalent of a leather vest, jeans and cut-away gloves (my preferred wardrobe). For the Chief Executive, over the years it has become customary to display a lapel flag-pin (Democrats and Republicans have both done it) as a matter of unity and national pride.

The candidates are representing themselves not only to the voters of this country, but also to all foreign leaders as well. How the candidates act, react and display themselves is indeed being evaluated outside the US, and within by every embassy and foreign mission that is resident here.

That's just the way it is.....

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You know wearing a lapel pin is very important to me. It shows respect to the flag and the men and women who have died for us. I have three POW/MIA caps that I wear at times when I'm out and about. I wore them in TV. The reason is I want people to look at my cap and remember, even if it is for a second, the POW/MIA still unaccounted for and the life they gave for us. To me "Lest we forget" is meant for the people who weren't there and yes, the wearing of a Flag Pin means alot to the people who were....

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Interesting position statement ???

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america

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ColoGal. The more they try to damage Obama with these topics, the more I realize they are desperate to assasinate his character. ;)
Some behaviors and associations assassinate their own character.

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Interesting position statement ???

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america



Oh here it comes......and last time the rumors were Kerry's website said that he would make birth control and abortions available to all young girls. When Bush ran for the Governor of Texas the rumor was Ann Richards, a grandmother, was a lesbian. And how about the debunked SwiftBoat people....

I don't support Obama but please...not this stuff.

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Oh here it comes......and last time the rumors were Kerry's website said that he would make birth control and abortions available to all young girls. When Bush ran for the Governor of Texas the rumor was Ann Richards, a grandmother, was a lesbian. And how about the debunked SwiftBoat people....

I don't support Obama but please...not this stuff.


Thank you. I just wish people would judge these candidates on the real issues, not this made up crap. Being eternally optimistic, I'm assuming that a lot of the mindless chatter in this political forum is from a vocal right wing minority, and doesn't reflect the views of most Americans.

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Lil Dancer,
I think you are right! :)

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Thank you. I just wish people would judge these candidates on the real issues, not this made up crap. Being eternally optimistic, I'm assuming that a lot of the mindless chatter in this political forum is from a vocal right wing minority, and doesn't reflect the views of most Americans.

First of all - I agree with the "real issues" and hope that banter about "change" but no substance behind it changes soon. Perhaps when the candidate debates start and, hopefully, some solid content versus empty air is provided, then there will be something to really rate the candidates on...

Second - whether a "right wing" viewpoint is minority or not, time will tell. I don't consider any view as "mindless chatter," but instead Americans exercising their Free Speech rights. Just because a view may disagree with mine (or anyone's) doesn't make it "mindless."

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I should have been more specific - was referring to lies and smears. I was being polite and calling them "mindless chatter," not because I don't agree with the lies, but because they are not truthful. Like I said, I get really sick of the made up stuff.

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Like I said, I get really sick of the made up stuff.
What "made up stuff" are you referring to?

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Obama is a Muslim, for one.

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I should have been more specific - was referring to lies and smears. I was being polite and calling them "mindless chatter," not because I don't agree with the lies, but because they are not truthful. Like I said, I get really sick of the made up stuff.


We agree.

While I was driving around, a song came over the radio which made me think of the Barack "Hussein" Obama pseudo-issue. None of us had any choice which name(s) we were tagged with. Also, legally changing one's name(s) can also cause the reverse - the "what are you trying to hide" insinuation.

The real concern is the character of the person, not the moniker attached by well-meaning (hopefully) parents filling out a birth certificate. While there is a lot about Sen. Obama that concerns me i(.e., position on issues, backers, who does he owe political favors to, understanding of international diplomacy, understanding of what a commander-in-chief is and does, etc.), the name(s) given to him by his parents is not one of those concerns. To paraphrase a learned person's comment - "...not by the the labels on his identification cards, but by the content of his character..."

Oh, the song - A Boy Named Sue, by Johnny Cash...

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When I read this post:

"A man who calls himself an American and consciously removes the American Flag from his lapel and claims to replace his patriotism with his thoughts and ideas is to me a scary person and I fear that the Muslim members will be dancing in the streets if he were elected president. Dear God don't let that happen Handie"

I immediately recalled President Bush escorting Osama Bin Laden's family out of the U.S. hours after 9/11. Why, I ponder. If think "pin" wearing or a "flag" waving measure the character of a mans dedication to patriotism..... well, thats your thoughts and god bless you. Somebody's afraid of change arent they? Relax, change is good

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From Rush Limbaugh's radio show just in the past few days.....

RUSH:

Hey, folks, Want to participate in tweaking the Drive-By Media?
You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently
and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states. You heard this?
And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'


You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out
there and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.
Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states,
he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's
been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.
Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist
and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on
that website begins. 'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of
the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented
a resolution to the United Nations commission on human rights
called combating.'



We're participating here in a tweak of the media. Obama said he's
going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are
57 Islamic states.


'Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference
representing the 57 Islamic states,' this is from the International Humanist and
Ethical Union. And the title of the piece here is,
'How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,'
and there are 57 of them.

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Rush Limbaugh? That's all you have to say for me to dismiss this entire post.

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'How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,'
and there are 57 of them.


I would not be at all surprised, given all his Islamic friends, associates, and relatives, that Obama inadvertently referred to the "57 Islamic States" when he made that gaff.

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CHECKED WIKIPEDIA, YES THERE IS A PERMANENT INTERNTIONAL DELEGATION TO THE U N. THE ORGANISATION OF THE ISLAMIC CONFERENCE. IT HAS 57 STATES. WHAT A COINCIDENCE HE MENTIONED THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER. OVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO STILL REFUSE TO PULL THEIR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND AND REALIZE FACTS ARE FACTS.

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I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Living 24/7 with a dozen microphones in your face and the pace the campaigners have tried to maintain, however/whatever the reason, it's a gaff.

What elocution errors one makes does not make the person. (Please remember that, all those who lambaste Pres. Bush for his public speaking skills) The CONTENT taken as a whole is what's important.

I'm still waiting to hear CONTENT to match up with the CHANGE banner. That's the important stuff to me, not slips of the tongue or an exhausted mind. It's time to change from being the Music Man to being the Professor.

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I seriously, seriously can't wait for Obama and McCain to debate.

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Just curious: what does being able to baffle people with bull---- have to do with being a good president?

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I have read most of the posts. They deal with the issues of the war and economy. The was issue has taken the back page since the economy has gone in the craper. Remember when the economy went down, the Dems had control. The war issue is, were starting to see the Iraq government taking over. The great two year Senator is going to fix everything, I doubt it.

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boy, it is obvious everyone has really strong feelings either way with the flag pin. my strong feelings are about his explanation...instead of wearing the pin he is going to tell the american people how to make this country great! ergo, he does not think this country is great already, and neither do his wife or his church fellows. that is the problem i have with him. i have lived in several other countries and i can honestly say i KNOW this country is great! we may have our problems and we may argue about the issues and even the trivial things, but i do not think any thoughtful person who analyzes his remark and puts all the pieces together will still think that he should lead our country. at least i hope that is how it is by november! i hope i will still have all you gals as friends by the time i get to the villages!

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chachacha, the political forum (as all the forums really) is not suppose to be taken personally. They are simply peoples opinions. So, though I disagree with you wholeheartedly on many things, that doesn't mean we won't be here waiting for you with open arms. ;D

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chachacha, the political forum (as all the forums really) are not suppose to be personally. They are simply peoples opinions. So, though I disagree with you wholeheartedly on many things, that doesn't mean we won't be here waiting for you with open arms. ;D
I went to lunch with a Democrat today. Top THAT!

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well, it is nice to know we can all disagree and still be friends. that is why our country is so great, THANKS BE TO GOD! am looking forward to meeting the faces behind all these great posts....thanks again for the welcome!

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Read about "Barry's" early days in his state of birth at;
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/05/30/obamas-hawaiian-roots-help-shape-his-political-beliefs_print.htm

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Mucci , I am married to one (Democrat). It gets even worse, she is a Red Sox fan. I was born and raised in the Bronx. I guess I topped you?

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gfmucci, I missed you, you little woofer! Well that sounds like a great lunch. And, if I remember correctly, your daughter's a Dem, so the day that Dem was born was the best day of your life! (I'm married to a Republican by the way. :o)

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Mucci , I am married to one (Democrat). It gets even worse, she is a Red Sox fan. I was born and raised in the Bronx. I guess I topped you?

Yes you do. ;D Is it "Opposites Attract?" I never did quite agree with that. It was probably hormones. ::)

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Ah....the lapel pin. Obama actually admitted that it was a purposeful decision of his not to wear an American flag pin. He cited that wearing a pin was a substitute for patriotism and he'd rather demonstrate his patriotism to the American people via his rhetoric. That gutsy demonstation of his conviction was simply a demonstration of bad judgement IMHO. Let's turn this around a bit. Could we infer from Obama's words that those who wear the pin could be labled as non-true patriots? Huh...what the? I wonder exactly how many members of Congress and the Senate wear the pin and he, in so many words, diminished or at least called into question their patriotism. And what opinion does he hold in his mind about the rest of us who revere the colors and choose to display them either on our person or property? There are many American's out there who differ strongly with his position and they will speak to this difference with their votes November 4, 2008. Yes.....bad judgement in a political sense if anything. Obama talks a good talk and he will be going toe-to-toe with a tough-as-nails guy who has walked-the-walk and bled a lot along the way. I agree with a previous post in that I look forward to the debates.

I may be a little old fashioned....but anyone seeking the highest office of our great nation should be proud and willing to wear its greatest symbol.

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JohnZ ~~ an aside ~~ 2 years ago while on a drive-about, I went thru Wichita Falls and drove onto Sheppard. My first reaction was how everything looked so different, that I recognized very little of the base. My barracks were gone, as was the hall and where I went to school. Then it dawned on me that it had been about 40 years since I'd been stationed there, closer to WWII than today. Sure doesn't seem that long ago.

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I'm a Christian, but don't usually wear a cross. What's in my heart is important not what is around my neck. Same with a flag lapel pin.