Christians - Do You Believe The King James Bible

[Sophie11]

To be the only translation of the hebrew and greek writings that are true?
I see the new translations are different in some places. I think one of the biggest which could be a huge deception is about the mark of the beast.

King James version of Revelations 13:16 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (in as in a chip)

I believe the King James Bible is the correct one as I worked with a person who helped bring about barcodeing and every bar code has 666 in it.

The newer translations say the mark will be planted on the right hand or on the forehead. (I think of something like a tattoo)

[quirky3]

Snopes says no relation between barcodes and 666

[TheVillageChicken]

Do I believe that Noah found a pair of penguins, a pair of polar bears, and a pair of kangaroos in the Middle East? Not really.

[graciegirl]

•The Latin Vulgate (390-405).
•The Douay-Rheims Version (1582-1610).
•The Challoner-Rheims Version (1749-1777).
•The Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures (1935). unofficial
•The New Testament ... with Explanatory Notes (1954). unofficial
•The Confraternity Version of the New Testament (1941).
•The Knox Translation (1955).
•The Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (1965).
•The Jerusalem Bible (1966).
•The New American Bible (1970-1983).
•The New Jerusalem Bible (1985).
•The Inclusive New Testament (1994). unofficial
King James Version
New International Version
Revised Standard Version
The Living Bible
New Living Translation
World English Bible
New King James Version
New International Readers Editions
American Standard Version
New American Standard Version
Young's Literal Translation
Plain English Bible
New English Bible
Amplified Bible
Basic English Bible
Translator's NT
20th Century Bible
Modern King James Version
The Message
New Jerusalem Bible
Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible
Contemporary English Version
English Version for the Death
Good News Version
New Century Version
New Revised Standard Version
J. B. Phillips New Testament, modern English
These too; http://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/versions-of-the-bible

But if you try to love your neighbor as yourself and keep the commandments then you are doing well.

My faith does not teach the literal interpretation of the Bible. The old testament was before Christ was born and the new testament was after Christ lived. Some of the Bible was meant to be history and some was meant to be moral teachings. . Many were traditions and laws that were used that have no bearing on life today. Such as some what is clean and unclean.

Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant.

Perhaps you are right. I think you believe with your whole heart you are right. I respect your beliefs and wish you well.I know God loves you.

[folkh]

•The Latin Vulgate (390-405).
•The Douay-Rheims Version (1582-1610).
•The Challoner-Rheims Version (1749-1777).
•The Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures (1935). unofficial
•The New Testament ... with Explanatory Notes (1954). unofficial
•The Confraternity Version of the New Testament (1941).
•The Knox Translation (1955).
•The Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (1965).
•The Jerusalem Bible (1966).
•The New American Bible (1970-1983).
•The New Jerusalem Bible (1985).
•The Inclusive New Testament (1994). unofficial
King James Version
New International Version
Revised Standard Version
The Living Bible
New Living Translation
World English Bible
New King James Version
New International Readers Editions
American Standard Version
New American Standard Version
Young's Literal Translation
Plain English Bible
New English Bible
Amplified Bible
Basic English Bible
Translator's NT
20th Century Bible
Modern King James Version
The Message
New Jerusalem Bible
Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible
Contemporary English Version
English Version for the Death
Good News Version
New Century Version
New Revised Standard Version
J. B. Phillips New Testament, modern English

But if you try to love your neighbor as yourself and keep the commandments then you are doing well.

My faith does not teach the literal interpretation of the Bible. The old testament was before Christ was born and the new testament was after Christ lived. Some of the Bible was meant to be history and some was meant to be moral teachings. . Many were traditions and laws that were used that have no bearing on life today. Such as some what is clean and unclean.

Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant.

Perhaps you are right. I think you believe with your whole heart you are right. I respect your beliefs and wish you well.I know God loves you.

Gracie, you are so insightful, it is a joy to read your posts. thank You!!!:agree::agree:

[Sophie11]

Snopes says no relation between barcodes and 666

Worked with a person who help create the barcode and he had said they all have 666 in them.

Snopes is a husband and wife team in their home kitchen answering as best as they can. I do not think they worked with anyone who help create the barcodes.
Q: Who creates the material for this site? (Snopes)

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[sunnyatlast]

Having been raised on an intense diet of instruction in King James Bible in one of the staunchest Protestant denominations, and then having been Catholic, I'd say it's good to remember that for all its human faults, the Catholic Church brought the Bible thru the ages long before the King James translation came along.

See the list starting with the Latin Vulgate as Gracie posted.

And about the Old Testament, this is key:

25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”

27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Luke 24 NIV

And regarding the mark of the beast in Revelation 13, it is clearly stated here in the modern Catholic Bible online:

16
It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hands or their foreheads,
17
so that no one could buy or sell except one who had the stamped image of the beast’s name or the number that stood for its name.
18
Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Catholic Bible Revelation 13 (http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/13)

The footnoted cross-references and commentaries at the end of the chapters are interesting, too.

Luke 24: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24&version=NIV

[Chi-Town]

Snopes is recognized as the go to site to substantiate internet claims. Even Annenberg's FactCheck.org agrees that it is a non political unbiased tool, and that they quote it on occasion. People try to discredit Snopes, because it may not agree with their agenda. But, in fact, it is excellent at what it does.

[Sophie11]

Having been raised on an intense diet of instruction in King James Bible in one of the staunchest Protestant denominations, and then having been Catholic, I'd say it's good to remember that for all its human faults, the Catholic Church brought the Bible thru the ages long before the King James translation came along.

See the list starting with the Latin Vulgate as Gracie posted.

And about the Old Testament, this is key:

25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”

27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Luke 24 NIV

And regarding the mark of the beast in Revelation 13, it is clearly stated here in the modern Catholic Bible online:

16
It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hands or their foreheads,
17
so that no one could buy or sell except one who had the stamped image of the beast’s name or the number that stood for its name.
18
Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Catholic Bible Revelation 13 (http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/13)

The footnoted cross-references and commentaries at the end of the chapters are interesting, too.

Luke 24: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24&version=NIV

Understanding that the King James Bible opened up all the words of the Bible so everyone new what was being said in the Bible. The protestant religions came about after the words were opened up. (Protesting)

[Sophie11]

If the newer ones say stamped or on the right hand or forehead and the churches are following these, their followers could possibly take the mark of the beast as it is not on but in.

[Bonanza]

Like it or not, let's not lose sight of the fact that it was man who wrote these bibles,
long after the word of mouth passed through a number of generations.

You know what happens when it goes from one ear to the next mouth, don't you?

[Chi-Town]

I never suspected.....

[tumbleweed]

Gracie-
Re "Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant."
Agree that Revelation is a difficult read, but it is not from the Old Testament, unless I misunderstood your comment. It is the last book of the New Testament.

[duffysmom]

•The Latin Vulgate (390-405).
•The Douay-Rheims Version (1582-1610).
•The Challoner-Rheims Version (1749-1777).
•The Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures (1935). unofficial
•The New Testament ... with Explanatory Notes (1954). unofficial
•The Confraternity Version of the New Testament (1941).
•The Knox Translation (1955).
•The Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (1965).
•The Jerusalem Bible (1966).
•The New American Bible (1970-1983).
•The New Jerusalem Bible (1985).
•The Inclusive New Testament (1994). unofficial
King James Version
New International Version
Revised Standard Version
The Living Bible
New Living Translation
World English Bible
New King James Version
New International Readers Editions
American Standard Version
New American Standard Version
Young's Literal Translation
Plain English Bible
New English Bible
Amplified Bible
Basic English Bible
Translator's NT
20th Century Bible
Modern King James Version
The Message
New Jerusalem Bible
Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible
Contemporary English Version
English Version for the Death
Good News Version
New Century Version
New Revised Standard Version
J. B. Phillips New Testament, modern English
These too; Versions of the Bible | Catholic Answers (http://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/versions-of-the-bible)

But if you try to love your neighbor as yourself and keep the commandments then you are doing well.

My faith does not teach the literal interpretation of the Bible. The old testament was before Christ was born and the new testament was after Christ lived. Some of the Bible was meant to be history and some was meant to be moral teachings. . Many were traditions and laws that were used that have no bearing on life today. Such as some what is clean and unclean.

Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant.

Perhaps you are right. I think you believe with your whole heart you are right. I respect your beliefs and wish you well.I know God loves you.
:bowdown: Amen Sister... I really, really like your post and respect you for saying it.

[KeepingItReal]

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

The ONLY Holy Father, is God the Father!

[applesoffh]

Great post, Gracie! I was raised as you were, and my belief is based thusly.

[KayakerNC]

I believe the King James Bible is the correct one as I worked with a person who helped bring about barcodeing and every bar code has 666 in it.



A bar-code conspiracy?
Is your chemtrail conspiracy also mentioned in Revelations?

[Sophie11]

Like it or not, let's not lose sight of the fact that it was man who wrote these bibles,
long after the word of mouth passed through a number of generations.

You know what happens when it goes from one ear to the next mouth, don't you?

for Christians to comment on this. Would you say this to people of other religions?

[Walter123]

Tis the season to be jolly fa la la la la la la la la.

[KeepingItReal]

Enjoy...............a beautiful song and message..................

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifCWN5pJGIE

[Sophie11]

Enjoy...............a beautiful song and message..................

[Official Video] Mary, Did You Know? - Pentatonix - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifCWN5pJGIE)



Thank You For The Beautiful Song! What a refreshing group!

Let us all keep Christ in Christmas (:

[Walter123]

Enjoy...............a beautiful song and message..................

[Official Video] Mary, Did You Know? - Pentatonix - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifCWN5pJGIE)



Now dats what um talkin bout! Very nice.

[sunnyatlast]

Christ knows those who trust and believe Him by faith.

By faith we can trust Him to spare us when He returns. Believers don't have to argue our case and submit briefs on why we read a certain version of the Scriptures!

“How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

30 I and My Father are one.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10&version=NKJV

[zonerboy]

Guess I'm a little dense, but I don't grasp the difference between translations that say the mark of the beast will be "in" the right hand or forehead and those that say the mark will be "on" the right hand or forehead. Explanation please.

[Sandtrap328]

I want to hear more defending Noah finding the penguins and kangaroos in the Middle East.

[zcaveman]

I want to hear more defending Noah finding the penguins and kangaroos in the Middle East.

I think that the penguins and the kangaroos looked at each other and said "You mean that we were supposed to be there today?"!

Z

[Chi-Town]

Forget penguins and kangaroos...Noah had bigger problems.

[Sophie11]

I guess there really is not going to be anyone who really can contribute to my question on the King James Bible versus the newer translations. Are you people who have come in on this thread Christians?

[KeepingItReal]

I guess there really is not going to be anyone who really can contribute to my question on the King James Bible versus the newer translations. Are you people who have come in on this thread Christians?


Sophie yes I am a Christian and was saved when I was 13 years old. We have always used only the King James version of the Bible. The book of Revelations is the book even few God called ministers will preach and cannot be read carnally nor taken literally. We believe God reveals and helps us understand what we need as we read. Definitely there are a lot of parts in this book and others that are still a mystery and probably always will remain a mystery. These last few verses of Revelations are a good guide as far as removing from or adding to the written word but it all revolves around our faith in God.

Revelation Chapter 22

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

[Barefoot]

Enjoy...............a beautiful song and message.................
[Official Video] Mary, Did You Know? - Pentatonix - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifCWN5pJGIE)


That is a hauntingly lovely song, just beautiful, thanks for posting the link.

[Bgreuter]

Yes, every word.

[Taltarzac725]

•The Latin Vulgate (390-405).
•The Douay-Rheims Version (1582-1610).
•The Challoner-Rheims Version (1749-1777).
•The Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures (1935). unofficial
•The New Testament ... with Explanatory Notes (1954). unofficial
•The Confraternity Version of the New Testament (1941).
•The Knox Translation (1955).
•The Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (1965).
•The Jerusalem Bible (1966).
•The New American Bible (1970-1983).
•The New Jerusalem Bible (1985).
•The Inclusive New Testament (1994). unofficial
King James Version
New International Version
Revised Standard Version
The Living Bible
New Living Translation
World English Bible
New King James Version
New International Readers Editions
American Standard Version
New American Standard Version
Young's Literal Translation
Plain English Bible
New English Bible
Amplified Bible
Basic English Bible
Translator's NT
20th Century Bible
Modern King James Version
The Message
New Jerusalem Bible
Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible
Contemporary English Version
English Version for the Death
Good News Version
New Century Version
New Revised Standard Version
J. B. Phillips New Testament, modern English
These too; Versions of the Bible | Catholic Answers (http://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/versions-of-the-bible)

But if you try to love your neighbor as yourself and keep the commandments then you are doing well.

My faith does not teach the literal interpretation of the Bible. The old testament was before Christ was born and the new testament was after Christ lived. Some of the Bible was meant to be history and some was meant to be moral teachings. . Many were traditions and laws that were used that have no bearing on life today. Such as some what is clean and unclean.

Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant.

Perhaps you are right. I think you believe with your whole heart you are right. I respect your beliefs and wish you well.I know God loves you.


Like your wisdom Graciegirl. I majored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno while getting two BAs in Philosophy and History.

Just think what The Bible would look like if it were written in 2014 by the powers that be? We would have Grimm fairy tales thrown in with Rap music, arguments about Global Warming, various pictures of the kardashians, crap from ISIS relating to the Revelations, and probably some songs by Taylor Swift. The powerful usually write the religious tracts. Henry VIII sure was busy when he was re-writing the religious tracts for the Anglican Church, for instance. But then came Bloody Mary to try to reset everything Henry VIII tried to do.

[Richard1366]

I prefer to believe in Aesop's Fables...they make more sense...

[sunnyatlast]

I prefer to believe in Aesop's Fables...they make more sense...

Few people on their deathbeds would ask to hear the wisdom in Aesop's Fables that is instructive for this life, which for them, is ending.

But many do ask to hear from a minister or priest on how to be in peace for the eternity they clearly sense is coming. Ask ER drs., nurses and ministers what atheists are screaming as they exit this life in abject terror. It is anything but peaceful, and it's agony to witness it.

Jesus said:

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205&version=NKJV

[Sophie11]

Like your wisdom Graciegirl. I majored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno while getting two BAs in Philosophy and History.

Just think what The Bible would look like if it were written in 2014 by the powers that be? We would have Grimm fairy tales thrown in with Rap music, arguments about Global Warming, various pictures of the kardashians, crap from ISIS relating to the Revelations, and probably some songs by Taylor Swift. The powerful usually write the religious tracts. Henry VIII sure was busy when he was re-writing the religious tracts for the Anglican Church, for instance. But then came Bloody Mary to try to reset everything Henry VIII tried to do.

You are saying the Bible is false? Where is your proof. I am amazed at the non christians who have come into this thread!

Archeology has proven most everything in the Bible! How about the dead sea scrolls that have new testament scripture?

There is only one that was translated by the will of GOD and it is the King James Bible the 1st translation. America was founded on this book!

[Barefoot]

Are you people who have come in on this thread Christians?


I am amazed at the non christians who have come into this thread!

I just looked at your OP, and it's true that you did ask your question of Christians.
I admire your dedication to your religious beliefs.
However please don't be upset that the the nature of open exchange on this Forum means that you may also hear from non Christians, as well as from people who have religious opinions which are quite different from your own.

[happy employee]

You are saying the Bible is false? Where is your proof. I am amazed at the non christians who have come into this thread!

Archeology has proven most everything in the Bible! How about the dead sea scrolls that have new testament scripture?

There is only one that was translated by the will of GOD and it is the King James Bible the 1st translation. America was founded on this book!

Sophie, If you study your Bible history, you will realize that the King James Bible was a translation taken from other Bibles of the time. Primarily the Bishop's Bible. Granted that King James was the first English language translation used by the masses. However, I would much rather put my faith in a Bible like my own. The NASB which was a direct literal translation from the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. At least i know that no personal opinions from the middle ages are influencing the translation.

[courtyard]

Pastor Anderson from Tempe, AZ has been preaching on this subject for awhile. He has a new video coming out in December on New World Order versions of the Bible. Here's the trailer:

New World Order Bible Versions - Trailer 1 - YouTube

[graciegirl]

You are saying the Bible is false? Where is your proof. I am amazed at the non christians who have come into this thread!

Archeology has proven most everything in the Bible! How about the dead sea scrolls that have new testament scripture?

There is only one that was translated by the will of GOD and it is the King James Bible the 1st translation. America was founded on this book!

I didn't read that Taltarzac thought the Bible was false.

Reread what he said.

Remember too Sophie, that Christianity is 2000 years old, much older than our country.

Do you know why it is called the King James version? In 1611 King James ordered the current Bible rewritten for the people of the time and the Church of England. (The Anglican Church)

I don't like for people to scoff at another's faith either Sophie. There will always be agnostics and atheists. Take comfort in your faith and live your life so that people see a good thing to be drawn to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

[eweissenbach]

I just looked at your OP, and it's true that you did ask your question of Christians.
I admire your dedication to your religious beliefs.
However please don't be upset that the the nature of open exchange on this Forum means that you may also hear from non Christians, as well as from people who have religious opinions which are quite different from your own.
Well said Bare.
Not only do Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, and Theists disagree, but virtually every subgroup of all religions disagree with each other on key points, and interpret their ancient writings in vastly contradictory ways. The Bible was written by scholars who probably made up many stories (Noah, Jonah) as cautionary tales to keep their flock in line and scare them from straying from religious dogma. I believe in God and attend church, but don't put too much faith in the people who manage religious organizations, as they have proven time and again not to be Godly people. I believe we would all be better off just living by the Golden Rule.

[graciegirl]

I sort of loosely interpret the golden rule as

if you don't want other to put down what you believe in, don't put down what they believe in.

Unless what they believe in is planning to kill anyone who they consider an infidel.

[Villages PL]

To be the only translation of the hebrew and greek writings that are true?
I see the new translations are different in some places. I think one of the biggest which could be a huge deception is about the mark of the beast.

King James version of Revelations 13:16 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (in as in a chip)

I believe the King James Bible is the correct one as I worked with a person who helped bring about barcodeing and every bar code has 666 in it.

The newer translations say the mark will be planted on the right hand or on the forehead. (I think of something like a tattoo)

Who was the author, King James? Where was he king? Was he a good king?

[shcisamax]

Not only do Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, and Theists disagree, but virtually every subgroup of all religions disagree with each other on key points, and interpret their ancient writings in vastly contradictory ways. The Bible was written by scholars who probably made up many stories (Noah, Jonah) as cautionary tales to keep their flock in line and scare them from straying from religious dogma. I believe in God and attend church, but don't put too much faith in the people who manage religious organizations, as they have proven time and again not to be Godly people. I believe we would all be better off just living by the Golden Rule.

I'm with you. And frankly, to simplify, if you took all religion away, if we could just live by the Golden Rule, things would go pretty darn well.

[Sophie11]

I'm with you. And frankly, to simplify, if you took all religion away, if we could just live by the Golden Rule, things would go pretty darn well.

I think you put a lot on the word probably! Your life is only a blink away and you will put your beliefs using the word probably? (The Bible was written by scholars who probably made up many stories) What is wrong with reading the book of John for starters and then praising our lord Jesus Christ! People Jesus Christ is real! You are more than flesh and bones! The stones cry out showing everything is true!

[Sophie11]

I want to hear more defending Noah finding the penguins and kangaroos in the Middle East.

Because no one was here 1000s of years ago before the great divide it would be impossible for anyone to answer you!

[Sophie11]

Gracie-
Re "Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant."
Agree that Revelation is a difficult read, but it is not from the Old Testament, unless I misunderstood your comment. It is the last book of the New Testament.

Revelations is the last book of the New Testament.

[tomwed]

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[Sophie11]

Sophie, If you study your Bible history, you will realize that the King James Bible was a translation taken from other Bibles of the time. Primarily the Bishop's Bible. Granted that King James was the first English language translation used by the masses. However, I would much rather put my faith in a Bible like my own. The NASB which was a direct literal translation from the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. At least i know that no personal opinions from the middle ages are influencing the translation.

I was under the assumption it was Martin Luther's German Bible that was used.

[graciegirl]

Revelations is the last book of the New Testament.


I apologize Sophie. You are right. It is in the new testament.

Book of Revelation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation)

It is called the Apocalypse in my Catholic Bible but I think has the same words as yours...starting out..

"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him, to make known to his servants the things that must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified them through his angel to his servant John who was witness to the the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ to whatever he saw. Blessed is he who reads and hears these words."

Does that sound pretty much the same? The book is about the ending of the world as we know it.

Don't fret Sophie.

[Taltarzac725]

I didn't read that Taltarzac thought the Bible was false.

Reread what he said.

Remember too Sophie, that Christianity is 2000 years old, much older than our country.

Do you know why it is called the King James version? In 1611 King James ordered the current Bible rewritten for the people of the time and the Church of England. (The Anglican Church)

I don't like for people to scoff at another's faith either Sophie. There will always be agnostics and atheists. Take comfort in your faith and live your life so that people see a good thing to be drawn to.

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls)

I am a Christian but just have some problems with understanding people who say that everything in The Bible is true. Did the Gospel writers ALL have perfect memories, were all literate, unbiased observers of the actions and words of Jesus? Even with modern technology like camcorders four different writers would have slightly different takes on what was said.

I do see Jesus Christ as our savior but it is a leap of faith and I sincerely doubt if any of the writers of the Bible did not have agendas of their own.

[Sophie11]

I am a Christian but just have some problems with understanding people who say that everything in The Bible is true. Did the Gospel writers ALL have perfect memories, were all literate, unbiased observers of the actions and words of Jesus? Even with modern technology like camcorders four different writers would have slightly different takes on what was said.

I do see Jesus Christ as our savior but it is a leap of faith and I sincerely doubt if any of the writers of the Bible did not have agendas of their own.

Do you also believe in the Holy Spirit?

[Jakel]

I believe that God created Heaven and Earth and everything in it, and if He is capable of all of the amazing things we are surrounded by, why is it difficult to believe that He could inspire men to write the stories the way He wanted them to be written? I do not believe that The King James Bible is the only accurate translation, but I do believe that since God made the Penguins, I think He could manage to lead them to the Ark, that is if they needed to be in the Ark in the first place.

[shcisamax]

I wrote: ... to simplify, if you took all religion away, if we could just live by the Golden Rule, things would go pretty darn well.

Then you wrote:

I think you put a lot on the word probably! Your life is only a blink away and you will put your beliefs using the word probably? (The Bible was written by scholars who probably made up many stories) What is wrong with reading the book of John for starters and then praising our lord Jesus Christ! People Jesus Christ is real! You are more than flesh and bones! The stones cry out showing everything is true!

My statement never uses the word "probably". This response doesn't appear to be to my post. Did you mean to respond to someone else's post?

[Bonanza]

Like it or not, let's not lose sight of the fact that it was man who wrote these bibles,
long after the word of mouth passed through a number of generations.

You know what happens when it goes from one ear to the next mouth, don't you?

for Christians to comment on this. Would you say this to people of other religions?

Every single bible in this world was interpreted and written by man/men.

Does anyone really believe a stone tablet might have been dropped from the sky with ten suggestions?

[rosygail]

Does anyone believe that there were people with names MARY or JOSEPH, OR JOHN OR JAMES OR PETER OR MATTHEW OR MARK IN Israel?

These were names common in King James era and so they were used in that version of the Bible.

[graciegirl]

I believe that God created Heaven and Earth and everything in it, and if He is capable of all of the amazing things we are surrounded by, why is it difficult to believe that He could inspire men to write the stories the way He wanted them to be written? I do not believe that The King James Bible is the only accurate translation, but I do believe that since God made the Penguins, I think He could manage to lead them to the Ark, that is if they needed to be in the Ark in the first place.


I love you Jim and your wife too and your kids and your grandkids and I am glad there are folks on this earth like you. I am so glad you were dropped into our world.

[graciegirl]

Do you also believe in the Holy Spirit?

Sophie, most people who call themselves Christians also believe in the Trinity; The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Catholics are Christians and so are Baptists, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Lutherans, and any number of protestants sects, Jewish people are waiting for the Messiah, but believe in the Old Testament.

I know that all of these things are stirring around in you. I know that you believe that only people who accept Christ will live forever. I think that only God can sort these things out and I have so many things to concern myself over and wouldn't do a good job running the universe that I just concede that worry to someone else, someone greater than me.

I think my business, when it comes to religion is to find good in people and affirm it. I don't always do that and I get side tracked and get all worked up about how things are going. I get into discussions and heated debates and throw words out that hurt.

Sometimes I find things that just amaze me and I think of them as sort of a sign. Yesterday a student had his backpack hit during that shooting in Tallahassee. The bullet lodged harmlessly in his theology book.

Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas Sophie.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube%ee%80%81+come+ye+thankful+people+ come+catholic+%ee%80%80choir&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=22F6F333ED55B0FFB5C622F6F333ED55B0FFB5C6

[rubicon]

:popcorn:

You have to know that there are not going to be any conversions here.;)

[happy employee]

I was under the assumption it was Martin Luther's German Bible that was used.

Actually there were several Church Bibles that were used in the writing of the King James version, including the Latin Vulgate, The Bishop's bible, and several German translations (which were translations of earlier Bibles).

My point was that the King James Bible was a Re-Write of several earlier Bibles and not a new translation of the original manuscripts. I stand by what i said. I'll trust a Bible which was taken from the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic.

And NO i don't believe the world is only 6000 years old. But then, I don't believe it's 4.5 Billion years old either. Like many things, i think the answer lies somewhere in-between.

[graciegirl]

Religion is a very personal belief.

People have very different personalities. How could Adolf Hitler cause all of those people to believe he was right?

I think that science will prove someday that we were born with a certain personality that can't be changed much. I don't know what that will mean as far as how we look at others. Some people are born sociopathic and they don't really CARE a drop for anyone else. Sociopaths are those who kill and steal and hurt. Will they someday be identified as infants? What then? Is sociopathy a spectrum disorder? Do some people have less empathy because they are born that way? I think religion is needed for some people to have a moral compass, but what if they don't care what is right or wrong, that they aren't programed to care about anything but their own needs? I am glad I am guilt ridden and care about other people and worry about stuff.

I think, as confusing as our life now is, I am glad I was born at this time.

[tedquick]

:popcorn:

You have to know that there are not going to be any conversions here.;)

I don’t know, rubicon. We mortal “men” never know what seed dropped where may actually sprout, but I do believe in dropping those seeds.

[Sophie11]

Does anyone believe that there were people with names MARY or JOSEPH, OR JOHN OR JAMES OR PETER OR MATTHEW OR MARK IN Israel?

These were names common in King James era and so they were used in that version of the Bible.

These names have been found on the dead sea scrolls.

[CFrance]

You are saying the Bible is false? Where is your proof. I am amazed at the non christians who have come into this thread!

Archeology has proven most everything in the Bible! How about the dead sea scrolls that have new testament scripture?

There is only one that was translated by the will of GOD and it is the King James Bible the 1st translation. America was founded on this book!
Please define "christian." Or better yet, define "non christian." Please. Some people say only those who are "born again" are Christians. I don't know where you're coming from.

[Jakel]

King James Bible
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

It's not Christians that are saying this, it is in the Bible, and if you believe that the Bible is God's Holy Word, then you accept this by faith. For whatever reason the world has fanaticized people who are "born again", it simply means, born once in the flesh, born again in the Spirit.

[shcisamax]

There is only one that was translated by the will of GOD and it is the King James Bible the 1st translation. America was founded on this book!


And THIS thinking is exactly the problem with radical orthodoxy whether it be Islam or Christian or any other religion. It may be someone's believe that THEIR God is the only God and that THEIR bible is the only one translated by God...but it is arrogant and intolerant. People may believe what they wish but to trample on others faith and deem it false is not in the spirit of love thy neighbor.

As I said earlier, if everyone just lived by the Golden Rule, it would work out pretty darn well.

[quirky3]

And THIS thinking is exactly the problem with radical orthodoxy whether it be Islam or Christian or any other religion. It may be someone's believe that THEIR God is the only God and that THEIR bible is the only one translated by God...but it is arrogant and intolerant. People may believe what they wish but to trample on others faith and deem it false is not in the spirit of love thy neighbor.

As I said earlier, if everyone just lived by the Golden Rule, it would work out pretty darn well.

"Amen" to that!!!

[graciegirl]

...

[Villages PL]

To be the only translation of the hebrew and greek writings that are true?
I see the new translations are different in some places. I think one of the biggest which could be a huge deception is about the mark of the beast.

King James version of Revelations 13:16 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (in as in a chip)

I believe the King James Bible is the correct one as I worked with a person who helped bring about barcodeing and every bar code has 666 in it.

The newer translations say the mark will be planted on the right hand or on the forehead. (I think of something like a tattoo)

Mikhail Gorbachev, former Soviet statesman, had a very noticeable colored birthmark on his forehead. Based on the King James version of the Bible, what is that supposed to mean? Can anyone put it in their own words?

[Sophie11]

And THIS thinking is exactly the problem with radical orthodoxy whether it be Islam or Christian or any other religion. It may be someone's believe that THEIR God is the only God and that THEIR bible is the only one translated by God...but it is arrogant and intolerant. People may believe what they wish but to trample on others faith and deem it false is not in the spirit of love thy neighbor.

As I said earlier, if everyone just lived by the Golden Rule, it would work out pretty darn well.

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the only way to the father is thru him. No other religion says this. No way would a Christian hurt a person who believed different then them.
Who is trampling on others faith? I see a lot of people trampling on the Jewish and Christians faith. GOD is love and Christians will not fight back but will defend the WORD with what is true. Jesus is the WORD made flesh. It is a hard statement for people who are only flesh and blood. Jesus said to eat of his body and to drink of his blood. What did he mean by this?

[Villages PL]

Mikhail Gorbachev, former Soviet statesman, had a very noticeable colored birthmark on his forehead. Based on the King James version of the Bible, what is that supposed to mean? Can anyone put it in their own words?

This thread is about the mark on the hand or forehead and no one can tell me what it means? I can't believe it!!!!!!

[graciegirl]

I will help out. It is a carrot. Feel better?

[manaboutown]

Some years ago I found in my local library a fascinating book entitled "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" authored by an Episcopal Bishop, John Shelby Spong. John Shelby Spong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong)

In the book he delves into how and by whom the bible was assembled from various writings of almost exclusively Jewish authors over several centuries. He explains how these authors utilized midrash to develop stories illustrating the points they wished to make. Midrash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash)

I found the book quite enlightening about the history of the bible although I do not agree with some of Spong's far out social ideas which he expounds at times.

BTW, I find "The New Oxford Annotated Bible" to be a great resource. http://www.cokesbury.com/forms/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=835676

[shcisamax]

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the only way to the father is thru him. No other religion says this. No way would a Christian hurt a person who believed different then them.
Who is trampling on others faith? I see a lot of people trampling on the Jewish and Christians faith. GOD is love and Christians will not fight back but will defend the WORD with what is true.


Are you familiar with the Inquisition or perhaps the Crusades?

[dbussone]

Or the fine Christian men of the Ku Klux Klan.

All faiths have, or have had, individuals who take things and beliefs over the edge.

[eweissenbach]

Are you familiar with the Inquisition or perhaps the Crusades?
I then quoted That and said this....
Or the fine Christian men of the Ku Klux Klan.

All faiths have, or have had, individuals who take things and beliefs over the edge.
No doubt about that! And both of our responses were in reply to this.....
Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the only way to the father is thru him. No other religion says this. No way would a Christian hurt a person who believed different then them.
Who is trampling on others faith? I see a lot of people trampling on the Jewish and Christians faith. GOD is love and Christians will not fight back but will defend the WORD with what is true. Jesus is the WORD made flesh. It is a hard statement for people who are only flesh and blood. Jesus said to eat of his body and to drink of his blood. What did he mean by this?

I don't want to try to change anyone's beliefs or put down their strongly held views or opinions. The point is, there is a lot of confusion about what should be seen as the absolute truth and a lot of good people strongly disagree.

[graciegirl]

This is a nice group, the largest senior chorus in the U.S. singing Hallelujah.

Our Village Voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvxrv71RjE

[dbussone]

This is a nice group, the largest senior chorus in the U.S. singing Hallelujah.

Our Village Voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvxrv71RjE

Lovely. Thank you.

[tedquick]

This is a nice group, the largest senior chorus in the U.S. singing Hallelujah.

Our Village Voices.

The Village Voices Conducted by Dr. Sandra Willetts - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvxrv71RjE)

Extraordinary!! Thank you over and over again. Now I must see them in person.

[onslowe]

Magnificent. Thank you, Gracie.

By the way, my church, St George Anglican, SE 28th Street (off SR 35 Baseline Road)is hosting a free program of Gregorian Chant on Saturday, December 13th at 4p.m. It is a concert performed by the wonderful Florida Pro Musica of Tampa.

There will be a wine and cheese reception afterwards with the members of the schola.

The church address is 5646 SE 28th Street, Ocala. This is not a religious service as such, but rather a concert based upon a religious service. It is an opportunity to just close your eyes and relax and meditate as you choose.

[sunnyatlast]

I think we all understand that when these believers in Christ the promised Messiah were saved and blessed for their unwavering faith, they were not reading the New Testament, much less the King James Version of it. (see first link below)

God is fully capable of preserving His word and interpreting it thru His Spirit speaking to readers' and hearers' souls, for all those who seek Him and submit to His unique authority spoken thru the scriptures.

There is great promise and hope for all who died believing in Christ, and for those who believe Him when He returns to take all believers to our eternal home in God's presence. (see second link)

Hebrews 11 - Faith in Action
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+11&version=NIV

1 Thessalonians 4 - Believers who have died, and believers who are alive when Christ comes again:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+thess+4&version=NIV

[CFrance]

Some years ago I found in my local library a fascinating book entitled "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" authored by an Episcopal Bishop, John Shelby Spong. John Shelby Spong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong)

In the book he delves into how and by whom the bible was assembled from various writings of almost exclusively Jewish authors over several centuries. He explains how these authors utilized midrash to develop stories illustrating the points they wished to make. Midrash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash)

I found the book quite enlightening about the history of the bible although I do not agree with some of Spong's far out social ideas which he expounds at times.

BTW, I find "The New Oxford Annotated Bible" to be a great resource. The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha New Revised Standard Version | Cokesbury (http://www.cokesbury.com/forms/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=835676)

Even a lot of Episcopalian higher ups would like to distance themselves from Spong, but he makes some excellent points.

I like the NSRV Harper Collins study bible. I'm a Presbyterian, and the NSRV is what we use.

[tomwed]

Are you familiar with the Inquisition or perhaps the Crusades?

How old do you think we are?

[eweissenbach]

I think we all understand that when these believers in Christ the promised Messiah were saved and blessed for their unwavering faith, they were not reading the New Testament, much less the King James Version of it. (see first link below)

God is fully capable of preserving His word and interpreting it thru His Spirit speaking to readers' and hearers' souls, for all those who seek Him and submit to His unique authority spoken thru the scriptures.

There is great promise and hope for all who died believing in Christ, and for those who believe Him when He returns to take all believers to our eternal home in God's presence. (see second link)

Hebrews 11 - Faith in Action
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+11&version=NIV

1 Thessalonians 4 - Believers who have died, and believers who are alive when Christ comes again:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+thess+4&version=NIV

So what about my nephew who died of SIDS at three months. He did not believe in Christ, or anything else for that matter. Is he destined to spend eternity in Hades? Or how about the person who was never introduced to Christianity, but lived a wonderfully giving and righteous life, are they destined to an afterlife spent in Hell?

[CFrance]

So what about my nephew who died of SIDS at three months. He did not believe in Christ, or anything else for that matter. Is he destined to spend eternity in Hades? Or how about the person who was never introduced to Christianity, but lived a wonderfully giving and righteous life, are they destined to an afterlife spent in Hell?
Sadly, a number of sects would say yes to that, Ed. And teach it.

The silence of a non answer to your question will be your answer.

[CFrance]

Are you familiar with the Inquisition or perhaps the Crusades?

How old do you think we are?
Maybe there're reruns?

[Rags123]

So what about my nephew who died of SIDS at three months. He did not believe in Christ, or anything else for that matter. Is he destined to spend eternity in Hades? Or how about the person who was never introduced to Christianity, but lived a wonderfully giving and righteous life, are they destined to an afterlife spent in Hell?

I have stayed out of this religion discussion, as I think it is much more dangerous than political, and seems to have more contentious statements like this, but on this subject......

infant salvation is an implicit certainty in most if not all religions. While not addressed specifically in any Bible, God praises the inoncence of children many times....speaking of their innocence he says "“for such is the kingdom of heaven.”

For what it might be worth...

"D. Will Babies and Children Who Die Young Go to Heaven?
The eternal fate of infants and children who die young is a common concern. The same concern applies to those who are mentally handicapped. Some Christians are more concerned about those who die without being baptized. Others are more concerned about those who die too young to make their own choice for faith. Unfortunately, the Bible does not say anything about this topic.
The predominant belief among Christians is that God makes provision for salvation for those who, through no fault of their own, die before being baptized or being able to make their own choices about faith.

It used to be a common belief among Catholics that children who died without being baptized would end up in Limbo, an intermediate state between heaven and hell. However, this is the current teaching of the Catholic Church:

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism... (from Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second edition.)

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_salvation.htm#VIIID

[eweissenbach]

So what about my nephew who died of SIDS at three months. He did not believe in Christ, or anything else for that matter. Is he destined to spend eternity in Hades? Or how about the person who was never introduced to Christianity, but lived a wonderfully giving and righteous life, are they destined to an afterlife spent in Hell?

I have stayed out of this religion discussion, as I think it is much more dangerous than political, and seems to have more contentious statements like this, but on this subject......

infant salvation is an implicit certainty in most if not all religions. While not addressed specifically in any Bible, God praises the inoncence of children many times....speaking of their innocence he says "“for such is the kingdom of heaven.”

For what it might be worth...

"D. Will Babies and Children Who Die Young Go to Heaven?
The eternal fate of infants and children who die young is a common concern. The same concern applies to those who are mentally handicapped. Some Christians are more concerned about those who die without being baptized. Others are more concerned about those who die too young to make their own choice for faith. Unfortunately, the Bible does not say anything about this topic.
The predominant belief among Christians is that God makes provision for salvation for those who, through no fault of their own, die before being baptized or being able to make their own choices about faith.

It used to be a common belief among Catholics that children who died without being baptized would end up in Limbo, an intermediate state between heaven and hell. However, this is the current teaching of the Catholic Church:

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism... (from Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second edition.)

What Does the Bible Say About Salvation? (http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_salvation.htm#VIIID)

I am sorry you interpret this as a "contentious" statement Bucco. I meant it as a legitimate question to the poster who stated that only those who had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior would be accepted into the Kingdom of God. How do those who believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible reconcile that conundrum.

[sunnyatlast]

So what about my nephew who died of SIDS at three months. He did not believe in Christ, or anything else for that matter. Is he destined to spend eternity in Hades? Or how about the person who was never introduced to Christianity, but lived a wonderfully giving and righteous life, are they destined to an afterlife spent in Hell?

The first link is a Baptist answer, and Rags posted a Catholic reference. The second link here is from R.C. Sproul, Reformed (Presbyterian) theologian.

Do Infants, Children Who Die Go to Heaven? (http://www.christianpost.com/news/do-infants-children-who-die-go-to-heaven-82650/)

Are those who have never heard of Christ going to hell? (http://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/are-those-who-have-never-heard-christ-going-hell/)

From what I've studied and have been taught, people go to hell for rejecting what they have been told in the Gospel. Babies and people who've never heard the Gospel cannot reject what they have not been told. People are accountable to God according to the knowledge they have received and either accepted or rejected.

Beyond that, Romans 1 states the following about those "who suppress the truth" of God. Babies and untaught people cannot suppress what they haven't been told.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and….

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+1&version=NIV

[eweissenbach]

The first link is a Baptist answer, and Rags posted a Catholic reference. The second link is from R.C. Sproul, Reformed (Presbyterian) theologian.

Do Infants, Children Who Die Go to Heaven? (http://www.christianpost.com/news/do-infants-children-who-die-go-to-heaven-82650/)

Are those who have never heard of Christ going to hell? (http://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/are-those-who-have-never-heard-christ-going-hell/)

Okay, that is two peoples opinion on the subject. Would that include infants born to atheists or Muslims?

[Rags123]

I am sorry you interpret this as a "contentious" statement Bucco. I meant it as a legitimate question to the poster who stated that only those who had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior would be accepted nto the Kingdom of God. How do those who believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible reconcile that conundrum.

I do consider it to be contentious and your specific questionis not standing alone in that catagory to me.

I strongly think that discussion of religious beliefs makes political discussion pale.

Why anyone would ask another poster on TOTV a question like that (and as I said, you are not the only with questions I, ME..myopinion...question) is beyond me. That question is reserved for your religious advisor and for you to feel in your soul. It does not matter what the poster responds.

I understand that pain that goes with the question for sure. I cannot imagine broaching it to anyone on here.

If I am out of line, I am sorry......I should stay out of this....as I said, I think discussion of religious beliefs is so much more of a non starter than politics ever could hope to be.

My only other comment would be.....perhaps love of political party has superceded our love of God and religion or any beliefs and that is why it is allowed.

I know that I can be swayed by a good political argument, but my religious beliefs are imbedded in my heart and soul and will never be shaken

PS....Whatever response you get will not shake your current belief and shouldn't.

[dbussone]

To be the only translation of the hebrew and greek writings that are true?
I see the new translations are different in some places. I think one of the biggest which could be a huge deception is about the mark of the beast.

King James version of Revelations 13:16 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (in as in a chip)

I believe the King James Bible is the correct one as I worked with a person who helped bring about barcodeing and every bar code has 666 in it.

The newer translations say the mark will be planted on the right hand or on the forehead. (I think of something like a tattoo)

The question of the OP needs to be addressed. The thread is getting off track. I believe the OP addressed Christians.

[graciegirl]

I do consider it to be contentious and your specific questionis not standing alone in that catagory to me.

I strongly think that discussion of religious beliefs makes political discussion pale.

Why anyone would ask another poster on TOTV a question like that (and as I said, you are not the only with questions I, ME..myopinion...question) is beyond me. That question is reserved for your religious advisor and for you to feel in your soul. It does not matter what the poster responds.

I understand that pain that goes with the question for sure. I cannot imagine broaching it to anyone on here.

If I am out of line, I am sorry......I should stay out of this....as I said, I think discussion of religious beliefs is so much more of a non starter than politics ever could hope to be.

My only other comment would be.....perhaps love of political party has superceded our love of God and religion or any beliefs and that is why it is allowed.

I know that I can be swayed by a good political argument, but my religious beliefs are imbedded in my heart and soul and will never be shaken

PS....Whatever response you get will not shake your current belief and shouldn't.


YOU are a good person Rags and fair too. I respect your thoughts and agree with them.

I never thought I would live long enough to hear so much negativity toward others about religion. It is far more cruel than political at it's worse. .I think I am done with this forum.

[eweissenbach]

I do consider it to be contentious and your specific questionis not standing alone in that catagory to me.

I strongly think that discussion of religious beliefs makes political discussion pale.

Why anyone would ask another poster on TOTV a question like that (and as I said, you are not the only with questions I, ME..myopinion...question) is beyond me. That question is reserved for your religious advisor and for you to feel in your soul. It does not matter what the poster responds.

I understand that pain that goes with the question for sure. I cannot imagine broaching it to anyone on here.

If I am out of line, I am sorry......I should stay out of this....as I said, I think discussion of religious beliefs is so much more of a non starter than politics ever could hope to be.

My only other comment would be.....perhaps love of political party has superceded our love of God and religion or any beliefs and that is why it is allowed.

I know that I can be swayed by a good political argument, but my religious beliefs are imbedded in my heart and soul and will never be shaken

PS....Whatever response you get will not shake your current belief and shouldn't.

I'm sorry Bucco, but I have no idea what you are saying here. I have questions which, in my mind, are legitimate. I have no religious "Advisor" as I don't know anyone who was present in Jesus' time, or that translated the original text of the Bible. I don't really totally trust anyone in the religion business, or lay people that claim to be in possession of the one and only truth. I am a Christian without all the answers and skeptical of those who think they have them.

[dbussone]

I'm sorry Bucco, but I have no idea what you are saying here. I have questions which, in my mind, are legitimate. I have no religious "Advisor" as I don't know anyone who was present in Jesus' time, or that translated the original text of the Bible. I don't really totally trust anyone in the religion business, or lay people that claim to be in possession of the one and only truth. I am a Christian without all the answers and skeptical of those who think they have them.


I'm distressed that you address Rags as "Bucco". She responded with what I believe to be a sincere answer. I find yours to be inconsiderate. You say you are a Christian but I find your answer to be unChristian in tone.

[Rags123]

I'm sorry Bucco, but I have no idea what you are saying here. I have questions which, in my mind, are legitimate. I have no religious "Advisor" as I don't know anyone who was present in Jesus' time, or that translated the original text of the Bible. I don't really totally trust anyone in the religion business, or lay people that claim to be in possession of the one and only truth. I am a Christian without all the answers and skeptical of those who think they have them.

1. I never heard anyone even on this thread brag about having all the answers

2. Never ever said, and your comment IS contentious, that your question was not legitimate, in fact just the opposite...I offered you a few links if you wanted. What gave you the impression I did not think your questions were legitimate ?

3. I am sure your "wiseacreness" if that is a word about not being present during the time of Jesus was meant in humor, and my only comment was that you will NOT find anyone in that position on TOTV

4. I am sorry that you consider religion a "business"...that, to me anyway, is sad. Are organized religions run like a business because our age demands it...yep. But, my religion involves God.....the "business" part is just there as a necissity of organization and does not interfere with my trust, faith and belief in God.

5. If you are truely a christian as you say, then my only suggestion to you with this is to pray. Other than that, as we all know, religion is pretty much faith based...faith is all we have...any of us.

The central part of religion is GOD...however we define that entity. My opinion...if you actually believe, then you have faith and the ability and trust in prayer for lots of answers. I am not smug enough to think I will get or deserve ALL of the answers. As I said, most religions are based on faith.

IF I have questions, and I do and always will, I listen to my heart...I pray, and yes read the Bible. All I want is guidance...we all know the Golden Rule....and that is a good start and where my post will end. I am not arrogant enough to actually think I could convince anyone of what is my heart. I trust, have faith and treat each day as a gift.

[dbussone]

Rags - it took me quite awhile not to take things personally. And I still do. There is one poster who grates on my nerves. I think you may have found yours. Bless you for your faith and willingness to share it.

[onslowe]

I'm sorry Bucco, but I have no idea what you are saying here. I have questions which, in my mind, are legitimate. I have no religious "Advisor" as I don't know anyone who was present in Jesus' time, or that translated the original text of the Bible. I don't really totally trust anyone in the religion business, or lay people that claim to be in possession of the one and only truth. I am a Christian without all the answers and skeptical of those who think they have them.

A religious advisor needs to have been present in Jesus' time? Needs to have 'translated' the original text (?) of the Bible? Cannot trust anyone in the "religion business?" Seems like you have all of your answers already..all guarded by a great big wall.

I didn't want to enter this discussion. It made me annoyed with posters exercising their right to post anywhere and anytime even though the OP asked a question of Christians. I think she meant those who do not harbor all sorts of anti-religious feelings and clumsily veiled lack of belief in essentials.

Civility should have been followed, and her wishes respected - at least to the extent of refraining from such tiresome "questions" and comments.

I'm going to follow my own advice now and close the refrigerator door. Some of the contents are rotten.

[Rags123]

Rags - it took me quite awhile not to take things personally. And I still do. There is one poster who grates on my nerves. I think you may have found yours. Bless you for your faith and willingness to share it.

Allow me to explain. Do not be angry at him for calling me Bucco. Since he has opted to make this public (I have not shared it with but one other person from whom he may have heard it)...I do not know his motive but that is for him to decide.

I stopped using Bucco because I received what I considered to be a few appropriate PM's addressed to BUCCO because of my views. They were very personal and I wrote to ADMIN who said it would be handled if I wanted. I said no, I would use an account that my wife had set up (RAGS) instead of causing a stir.

That is why he refers to me as Bucco...suppose to allow me to know that he is on top of things.

[dbussone]

Allow me to explain. Do not be angry at him for calling me Bucco. Since he has opted to make this public (I have not shared it with but one other person from whom he may have heard it)...I do not know his motive but that is for him to decide.

I stopped using Bucco because I received what I considered to be a few appropriate PM's addressed to BUCCO because of my views. They were very personal and I wrote to ADMIN who said it would be handled if I wanted. I said no, I would use an account that my wife had set up (RAGS) instead of causing a stir.

That is why he refers to me as Bucco...suppose to allow me to know that he is on top of things.


Well...from my perspective you are on top of things, and I pray that he gets there at some point soon. In the long term, and you know what I mean, his position is not tenable. Whoever he is, the use of Bucco is not appropriate.
Blessings.
Dbussone

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