Ferguson grand jury decision

[TVMayor]

How did hundreds of rioters come to the conclusion that justice was not the conclusion of the grand jury after the grand jury had considered all the evidence?

When the grand jury's decision was announced how did the rioters in the street, the ones with no TVs, the ones that had seen and heard ZERO evidence, how did 100% of them with that lack of information come to the conclusion they should burn, rob and loot?

Could the answer me as EZ as black and white?

[Walter123]

This thread won't last long before it gets shut down.

That being said, the Ferguson people acted as expected. I'll bet 50% of the residents wanted this decision so they could riot and have an early black Friday. Lets see have much Al Sharpton stirs the pot.

Last night one of the news people said "obviously, the smell of marijuana is in the air"

[ugotme]

Because some - not all - of these people are there to create havoc.
I would venture that a lot do not know the "victim" and could care less about him. All they want is to riot and steal.

Some honestly believe there has been an injustice.

I certainly do not have the facts and can not make an intelligent decision from where I sit. However, the Grand Jury has made it's decision and we (they) must live by it.

[mflasch]

The actions of the ignorant should not come as a surprise to anyone. Where is Sharpton and Jackson. Check that, if they were there, the situation would only escalate. Everyone should be able to protest PEACEFULLY, but it seems that the black community doesn't know how to do it. The irony really was last night when the President was calling for peace and basically blaming law enforcement for the problems, his supporters were breaking windows and starting fires. Now, the National Guard is in place. There needs to be a mandatory curfew put in place and the order that looters will be shot. Unfortunately, it seems that this is all that the "community" understands.

[kcrazorbackfan]

This goes to show America of the mentality of these lowly s**tmaggot thugs and what was done "in the memory of Michael Brown". What was accomplished with what was looted/burned/destroyed/vandalized? The mommies and daddies (yea, right) did an excellent job in raising their sweet little babies. Violence doesn't solve anything. Out of the 61 arrested last night, the youngest was 17 and the oldest was 66.

Things will be so different tonight with the Police/NG presence.

[BobnBev]

Looters are looters, no matter what color they might be. I say shoot em all, and put it on Utube.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I find this map interesting to say the least

[Bogie Shooter]

Such a brilliant idea to announce the grand juries findings at 8:30 at night.

[manaboutown]

Some folks do not want to be confused by factual evidence. They have already made up their minds. Once again I blame the mainstream media and their untruthful propaganda for agitating the rioters who were well prepared to tear up the town as they did. Some rioters appeared to be celebrating an excuse to commit arson and loot.

[kcrazorbackfan]

We have been monitoring the situation since last night on two laptops since my wife agency may be called into there after two weeks of this; a few moments ago, a person that has been one of the most outspoken against the police was just on a local channel decrying that the police should have made more of a presence last night. Seriously? Now, get ready for it, he asked the more fortunate citizens to go onto the "I love Ferguson" websites and donate money to help rebuild. Just another of the underprivileged welfare receiving local trash needing a handout instead of really solving the problem.

[Edjkoz]

The rioters are idiots and the media are idiots because they fan the fires

[plrbr1120]

You know....if the young man would have paid for the cigars instead of stealing them, we would have never heard of Ferguson, Mo.

[JRichm369]

There is an axiom in the media that more people will listen to an argument than to an intelligent discussion, that being said the media presence in Ferguson, MO assured me that here would be violent demonstrations. Whether they were in celebration of an indictment or in protest of no charges there would be something for the media.

While I do not always agree with the police, I would not want to live in a world with out them

[TexaninVA]

How did hundreds of rioters come to the conclusion that justice was not the conclusion of the grand jury after the grand jury had considered all the evidence?

When the grand jury's decision was announced how did the rioters in the street, the ones with no TVs, the ones that had seen and heard ZERO evidence, how did 100% of them with that lack of information come to the conclusion they should burn, rob and loot?

Could the answer me as EZ as black and white?

First of all, the rioters did not come to a conclusion because by saying that, you give them credit for the ability to think rationally. They are a mob, and reacting emotionally.

Second, the police were too lenient IMHO in that numerous buildings were burned down ...ie they failed to protect.

I also think that if a investigative agency could get past the PC, they would find the riots were organized by someone or a group of like minded lefties. Most likely the usual suspects including the America-haters who basically want to burn the system down and start over.

Someone who lost property in the riots should sue the Rev Al while they're at it ... for incitement.

[elizabeth52]

I was watching last night as the decision was read and the detail that was given regarding the event. Yet, one news person reported that she believed that the grand jury got it wrong due to the "preponderance of of evidence" showing that excessive force was used against Michael Brown. I thought it was extremely irresponsible of her to present media reports and opinions as evidence and fact. The grand jury's decision was based on facts, not emotion and pressure from the public or political leaders.

[Hancle704]

Be interesting to find out how many arrested last night were actually from the Ferguson area.

[Indydealmaker]

Be interesting to find out how many arrested last night were actually from the Ferguson area.
:agree:

Unfortunately, violence was inevitable regardless of the verdict.

[CFrance]

The actions of the ignorant should not come as a surprise to anyone. Where is Sharpton and Jackson. Check that, if they were there, the situation would only escalate. Everyone should be able to protest PEACEFULLY, but it seems that the black community doesn't know how to do it. The irony really was last night when the President was calling for peace and basically blaming law enforcement for the problems, his supporters were breaking windows and starting fires. Now, the National Guard is in place. There needs to be a mandatory curfew put in place and the order that looters will be shot. Unfortunately, it seems that this is all that the "community" understands.
The actions of the ignorant should not come as a surprise to anyone. Where is Sharpton and Jackson. Check that, if they were there, the situation would only escalate. Everyone should be able to protest PEACEFULLY, but it seems that the black community doesn't know how to do it. The irony really was last night when the President was calling for peace and basically blaming law enforcement for the problems, his supporters were breaking windows and starting fires. Now, the National Guard is in place. There needs to be a mandatory curfew put in place and the order that looters will be shot. Unfortunately, it seems that this is all that the "community" understands.
The black community doesn't know how to protest peacefully? Another arrogant, blanket statement condemning a whole race for the actions of a few.

[DeanFL]

Here we go again, our poor country.

19 years from the OJ verdict, and the so-called issues are not improved one iota.

Those that feed the frenzy are criminals themselves. Political and movement leaders, and the general Media.

A 2012 study by the Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention revealed that in 2010 black youths committed six times more murders, three times more rapes, 10 times more robberies and three times more assaults than did their white counterparts.

Similar statistics were released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the “Uniform Crime Reports.” They determined, “In the year 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58% for homicide and 67% for robbery.” By contrast, the only categories where white youths surpassed blacks were in liquor law violations and driving under the influence.

The black community might want to focus on parenting skills and the education of their youth. This is precisely why law enforcement must confront that community to such a degree. And precisely why Mike Brown lost his life - due to his actions and unwise decisions.

But - sure blame the law enforcement . They are not perfect of course, but must do the job we ask of them. MLK is rolling over, probably ashamed of the events.

[pivo]

France
If you have the best quarterback and linebacker on a team but they lose every game
the team stinks
I'm sure you get the point

[Bonnevie]

it's unfortunate on so many levels, but especially that the looting and rioting perpetuate a stereotype that causes the police to be wary of that population. it's a viscous cycle.

[Bonny]

Such a shame they had to announce the verdict at night. They may have gotten a better handle on everything had they waited until day time when they could actually see what was happening and maybe could have caught some of the lowlifes !!

[TVMayor]

This goes to show America of the mentality of these lowly s**tmaggot thugs and what was done "in the memory of Michael Brown". What was accomplished with what was looted/burned/destroyed/vandalized? The mommies and daddies (yea, right) did an excellent job in raising their sweet little babies. Violence doesn't solve anything. Out of the 61 arrested last night, the youngest was 17 and the oldest was 66.

Things will be so different tonight with the Police/NG presence.
The reasoning total escapes me. 61 people that probably did not know Brown are in jail, headed for court with a public defender, facing fines, time, probation, loss of job, no weed and time to review the value of MLK JRs teaching of the benefits of riots (civil unrest).

The people that will show up tonight will have to bring supplies to last the night because they burn and looted the stores in the area last night.

I took pictures of the Detroit riot while the smoke was still rising with jeeps driving around with 50 caliber machine guns mounted on the back. The buildings were not just burned out, they caved in. To this day I do not understand.

The reason for doing it is apples and the solution is oranges.

[pivo]

martin luther king rolling in his grave,, remember his protest marches everyone of his marches did nothing but disrupt the schools, the cities they were in, costing the axpayers millions and more rapes and drugs it might have been a long time ago but the same as we have today

[Hancle704]

After the "war on poverty" and billions spent in that war and legislation to improve race relations in America what has changed? Not all rioters were black, few actually cared about the Grand Jury's verdict, fewer listened to the President and Clergy who asked for peaceful demonstrations, the looting and destruction of businesses trying to serve the community went unabated. So what can I conclude? There is an element within our country that have as a goal the destruction of our nation and they take any situation to fan the flames of their hateful objective.

[Abby10]

Such a brilliant idea to announce the grand juries findings at 8:30 at night.

That was my first thought too, Bogie. But then I heard on some news reports last night that they wanted to give the schoolchildren and working families the time to get home to avoid what they thought might be a further disaster if they were on the streets/roads when the verdict was announced. It probably also gave any businesses that are still operating in that area a chance to shut down and the workers to go home. From that perspective, I think it may have been a wise decision.

[karostay]

once they burn the city down and loot all the stores
problem solved no need for low income housing and food stamps

[manaboutown]

I was in the Maryland Army National Guard and called up, stationed in the 5th Regiment Armory in downtown Baltimore, during the riots in the late sixties. I saw a lot of what happened up close.

Frankly, the behavior of a certain segment of society has not changed. All the welfare, war on poverty, and so on ad nauseam, down the drain and nothing has changed. Bottom line: We taxpayers pick up the tab, again and again and again, endlessly, regardless of outcomes.

[Buffalo Jim]

FOX NEWS just reported that 59 of the 61 people arrested last night are residents of Ferguson .

[CFrance]

France
If you have the best quarterback and linebacker on a team but they lose every game
the team stinks
I'm sure you get the point
Actually, I don't. I refuse to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.

[Chi-Town]

martin luther king rolling in his grave,, remember his protest marches everyone of his marches did nothing but disrupt the schools, the cities they were in, costing the axpayers millions and more rapes and drugs it might have been a long time ago but the same as we have today
Nice coherent rant.

[Stdole]

Firefighters Words... Eliminate the fuel and the fire will go out!

So Large "V" Snow plows, snow throwers and wood grinders..."hit the streets" might sound bizarre but that will help eliminate the fuel.. This is definitely a criminal matter not demonstrations!

Otherwise watch the smoke from the sidelines and enjoy yourself.. if this is what you call entertainment...

[CathyandJohn]

We agree with you 100%. They wanted to riot and loot and it was not about Michael Brown or the outcome of the jury's decision. It was just what they wanted to do....without being caught and taken to jail!

[Mikeod]

I noted the wording of the story on Yahoo this morning. "Grand Jury fails to indict officer". (Emphasis mine.) How is that in any way a failure? The grand jury did its job.

And the comments that the outcome was predetermined because there were 9 whites and only 3 blacks on the jury, as if no white would vote for indictment and no black would vote for no indictment.

:sigh:

[NotGolfer]

This could be debated ad nauseum but my whole take on it was the media and how they kept a focus on it. We saw it twice here in Florida in the last 5 years. I can't speak to the race issue...having been brought up in the midwest, small town and pretty much white community. I don't have close friends who aren't the same as me. I think this race thing is truly complicated and there are two sides to how it has played out. I hope and pray that this can at least die down and be back to a new normal in that community. Justice was served by the Grand Jury!

[Hancle704]

Ferguson is the new Detroit.

[TVMayor]

The brothers cleared out a cellphone store 100% all in the name of sending a message to the cops.

[village dreamer]

The brothers cleared out a cellphone store 100% all in the name of sending a message to the cops.

and the tv stores,food stores and all other stores.............:cus::cus::cus:

[Bogie Shooter]

That was my first thought too, Bogie. But then I heard on some news reports last night that they wanted to give the schoolchildren and working families the time to get home to avoid what they thought might be a further disaster if they were on the streets/roads when the verdict was announced. It probably also gave any businesses that are still operating in that area a chance to shut down and the workers to go home. From that perspective, I think it may have been a wise decision.

Sorry cannot agree. In the light of day, less bad things happen.

[Bogie Shooter]

FOX NEWS just reported that 59 of the 61 people arrested last night are residents of Ferguson .

Fair and balanced..............................

[Bogie Shooter]

The "media" keeps being mentioned in a lot of these posts. That is just a broad brush, isn't it really just cable news? They need fodder to keep the machine running.

[rubicon]

Well perhaps a jury of 12 people found no cause to indict this officer on any of the potential charges but I am glad to see Eric Holder Attorney General for the Department Of Justice will not rest until he gets to the bottom of this issue.:D

This is a primary example of what happens when the government over reaches.
The Civil Rights Laws of 1964 set in motion what was needed to level the playing field but pols couldn't leave it at that. No they not only started out by carrying the ball for the so called protected classes but eventually passed laws so that a ball was no longer needed to score.

Honestly if this had been black cop who shot a white kid it might have made the papers once. America wants to put this race issue behind it but nonsense like this just pulls us all back

[CFrance]

Well perhaps a jury of 12 people found no cause to indict this officer on any of the potential charges but I am glad to see Eric Holder Attorney General for the Department Of Justice will not rest until he gets to the bottom of this issue.:D

This is a primary example of what happens when the government over reaches.
The Civil Rights Laws of 1964 set in motion what was needed to level the playing field but pols couldn't leave it at that. No they not only started out by carrying the ball for the so called protected classes but eventually passed laws so that a ball was no longer needed to score.

Honestly if this had been black cop who shot a white kid it might have made the papers once. America wants to put this race issue behind it but nonsense like this just pulls us all back

:agree:

[janmcn]

Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/25/3596751/four-ways-officer-darren-wilson-and-the-ferguson-police-could-still-be-held-accountable-in-court/

[birdawg]

Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.

Very sad, a man just doing his job Who was the victim?

[rubicon]

Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.

janmcn: And isn't that sad as Officer Wilson in performing the responsibilities he was trained and paid to do ends up being treated like a common criminal all because politicians, news people, and race baiters pick the bones of such prey to satisfy their egos and pocketbooks . Officer Wilson is not an OJ, Casey Anthony or George Zimmerman. Where are his supporters? Who is speaking up on his behalf? Where is the outrage over his injustices?

[Tennisnut]

According to the findings of the Grand Jury, isn't it sad that that an individual who was shot at close range at the police cruiser and then run away only to turn around and charge unarmed toward the same individual who had shot him before and be shot multiple times? Was his life so bad that he wanted to commit suicide by cop? Unfortunately, Mr. Wilson was called upon to provide the service. No winners here!

[Sandtrap328]

janmcn: And isn't that sad as Officer Wilson in performing the responsibilities he was trained and paid to do ends up being treated like a common criminal all because politicians, news people, and race baiters pick the bones of such prey to satisfy their egos and pocketbooks . Officer Wilson is not an OJ, Casey Anthony or George Zimmerman. Where are his supporters? Who is speaking up on his behalf? Where is the outrage over his injustices?

There were photos of Wilson shown just after the shooting. He had one bruise on a cheek. Where was the eye socket fracture? It was non-existent. Wilson fired 12 shots at Brown!

Wilson forgot his training and fired at a person running away! Wilson was not in fear of his life when Brown was running away!

[Bogie Shooter]

Why wasn't there a special prosecuter appointed to replace the "local" prosecuter with close ties to the police department?

[mflasch]

Does anyone think tonight will be any different? I heard a report that Big Al was heading to Ferguson. That will really get them agitated. He should be barred from entering Missouri until this whole thing settles down. The National Guard should also be given orders to shoot any looters and a curfew should be put in place.
Hands Up/Don't Shoot
Pants Up/Don't Loot
You Loot/We Shoot

[mflasch]

There were photos of Wilson shown just after the shooting. He had one bruise on a cheek. Where was the eye socket fracture? It was non-existent. Wilson fired 12 shots at Brown!

Wilson forgot his training and fired at a person running away! Wilson was not in fear of his life when Brown was running away!

I think all of the bullets entered the from the front. Kind of hard to do if someone is running away from you.

[TexaninVA]

Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.


Four Ways Officer Darren Wilson And The Ferguson Police Could Still Be Held Accountable In Court | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/25/3596751/four-ways-officer-darren-wilson-and-the-ferguson-police-could-still-be-held-accountable-in-court/)

Had Darren Wilson not shot and defended himself, he would be dead.

The mob in the street doesn't care what the evidence said, they wanted him indicted. Mobs are ignorant, emotional and cowardly. Had we given the mob some rope, led by Rev. Al, I'm sure they would have been happy to lynch the police officer from the nearest tree.

So now the police officer's life is ruined because he was doing his job. Yes, Brown is dead but he was also committing a felony at the time of his death. My overall feeling ... If I was a cop in St. Louis and had the power, I would designate certain areas of the city "police free zones' and then let the residents have at it.

And I wonder why inner city residents complain that there are no businesses there to serve them? Duh

[dbussone]

Why wasn't there a special prosecuter appointed to replace the "local" prosecuter with close ties to the police department?


I'm not sure a special prosecutor would change the outcome, Bogie. I served on a grand jury for 6 months. It was the prosecutor's job to bring cases to us, but we had broad powers to ask for witnesses and experts to explain things and go over evidence. The prosecutor almost served as more of an assistant to us. In fact, we had the ability to hear evidence/testimony on cases we wished to hear, that the prosecutor did even offer up. I'm sure there are differences from state to state and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. My point is that the members of a hand jury play a very active role in a case, not the passive role one sees on television before a judge.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm not sure a special prosecutor would change the outcome, Bogie. I served on a grand jury for 6 months. It was the prosecutor's job to bring cases to us, but we had broad powers to ask for witnesses and experts to explain things and go over evidence. The prosecutor almost served as more of an assistant to us. In fact, we had the ability to hear evidence/testimony on cases we wished to hear, that the prosecutor did even offer up. I'm sure there are differences from state to state and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. My point is that the members of a hand jury play a very active role in a case, not the passive role one sees on television before a judge.

How does the way this case was presented to the grand jury differ from your experience as a jurer?
All this information is now available online.
BTW not necessarily looking for a change in the outcome.

[dbussone]

How does the way this case was presented to the grand jury differ from your experience as a jurer?
All this information is now available online.
BTW not necessarily looking for a change in the outcome.

I see one major difference. This grand jury was a specific case grand jury. The one I served on dealt with more cases over a longer period.

From what I have heard it appears that presentation was likely very similar. I gather that because of comments from the Brown family attorneys who chastised the prosecutor for not taking what they described as a more aggressive role in efforts to sway the jury members. It sounds like the prosecutor was neutral in his presentation....as was my experience.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Actually, I don't. I refuse to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.

The actions of the few? Look at all the RACE riots (not the protests of the Vietnam war) since the 60's, and what race is predominant in them? Sure not us white folk. Sure, there was some white trash there last night, but all the people I could see last night looting and vandalizing the stores, burning the buildings and vehicles were the mistreated, misunderstood, jobless and grabbing every welfare dime they can OTHER race.

[CFrance]

The actions of the few? Look at all the RACE riots (not the protests of the Vietnam war) since the 60's, and what race is predominant in them? Sure not us white folk. Sure, there was some white trash there last night, but all the people I could see last night looting and vandalizing the stores, burning the buildings and vehicles were the mistreated, misunderstood, jobless and grabbing every welfare dime they can OTHER race.
Right, the actions of a few, and I repeat, I don't condemn an entire race for those few. I'd sure like to see your statistics on the percentage of blacks rioting vis-a-vis the black population. And why wouldn't blacks be predominant in a race riot? They are the ones who had to work their way up from slavery to freedom.

[Rags123]

Actually, I don't. I refuse to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.


The police would agree with that. And boy do I wish that your thoughts applied to all, but as you know they do not.

Not just race relations, but in politics as well.

BUT, consider that on the media, thus far from what I have heard, there is very little criticism of the folks who burned down a town and changed their lives in a negative way forever. Criticism reserved for POLICE for planning and shooting down blacks for NO reason....OFFICIALS of the city and state for their management of the grand jury and the announcement and so on. Looters come out pretty good

Oh and by the way, Mr Brown is being treated with respect...much more than allowed Ferguson citizens, the police ALL of them being taken down as A GROUP

As another poster alluded to, if only Mr Brown had not stolen the cigars and not attacked the policeman, the city would still be there.....the insurance companies making money and contractors getting in line to try and rebuild the city.

[Rags123]

Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.


Four Ways Officer Darren Wilson And The Ferguson Police Could Still Be Held Accountable In Court | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/25/3596751/four-ways-officer-darren-wilson-and-the-ferguson-police-could-still-be-held-accountable-in-court/)

" IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place."

GREAT, isn't it...for doing his job and doing it well !!!

After this, you understand a bit why cops have a chip on their shoulder.

[pivo]

Franz --like I said before you have the best quarterback and linebacker and continually lose, the team is a loser, the black race has had over forty years of special treatment, and what have they as a race accomplished ,,, I wish I had the opportunities they get and the ones I refer to is my age and they weren't slaves.

[Advogado]

Had the media reported the incident objectively, the shooting probably would have been pretty much a non-event. Instead of headlines like "Convenience-store robber killed as he attacks cop", we were deluged by headlines like "Cop guns down unarmed black teenager." The reporting that followed these headlines was similar in tone.

I have CNN News on right now, and the distorted reporting continues.

[tomtbg2]

Everyone has been blamed but the one person! This boy would be alive today if he had not stole the box of cigars! !

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[dbussone]

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Thanks in advance,

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I like your droll sense of humor. (But why you ask?). Have a nice Thanksgiving

[Bogie Shooter]

Shut it down!

[KayakerNC]

Shut it down!

:agree:

[Walter123]

[QUOTE=Walter123;972684]This thread won't last long before it gets shut down.

This was in the second post on this thread. It lasted way longer than I thought it would.

What's there to be said anyway?

[CFrance]

Franz --like I said before you have the best quarterback and linebacker and continually lose, the team is a loser, the black race has had over forty years of special treatment, and what have they as a race accomplished ,,, I wish I had the opportunities they get and the ones I refer to is my age and they weren't slaves.
Pive... I stand by my original statement and so disagree with yours. Facts?

[Moderator]

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