Stun guns a good idea or not?

[Villages PL]

Daily Sun article: "Homeless woman's stun Gun Spurs 2nd Amendment Case"
Subheading: "Massachusetts court asked to decide if right to bear arms extends to weapon"

She never had to use it but it was found in her purse during a shoplifting investigation. Her lawyer says she has the right to keep and bear arms.

MA is one of only five states that ban stun guns and tasers for private citizens.

Are they allowed in Florida?

If so, what are the pros and cons of having one?

[Topspinmo]

I sure the her lawyer will get it throw out due to no warrant to search for illegal weapon in private purse or bag. That's non-lethal weapon, what's next pepper spray, frying pans, shoes, tree limbs, rocks, hammers, garden tools, ball bats, ice picks, kitchen knifes, ect. all which can kill and I'm sure used in Massachusetts deaths over the centuries.

Heck if not, now she going to get free roof over her head and three meals day, lodging may not be much to take about, but she will have routine every day.

Now wonder there lots of people moving from the Taxed anti-gun crazed states. But they have no problems allowing guns in the pass to be made in their states which the northeast for centuries made all the guns and the cheap Saturday night specials which IMO probably majority of gun crimes . Now they want to bit the hand that feed them the tax money all those years. how about banning gun making period in those states if they are really serious about gun bans otherwise it's oxymoron.

[Sandtrap328]

You want to carry a concealed stun gun in The Villages? Even if it is legal to do so, why? Are you that scared when going out to a town square? :shrug:

[rjm1cc]

Daily Sun article: "Homeless woman's stun Gun Spurs 2nd Amendment Case"
Subheading: "Massachusetts court asked to decide if right to bear arms extends to weapon"


Are they allowed in Florida?

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see first paragraph
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html)

[fred53]

Yes they are allowed in Florida...check with the police to see if you need CC permit...

[ugotme]

You want to carry a concealed stun gun in The Villages? Even if it is legal to do so, why? Are you that scared when going out to a town square? :shrug:

Just curious - where do you see any statement about carrying in The Villages?
Did I miss this? I realize you are anti-gun and i respect your right to that opinion but I think you may be stretching this a bit.

[tomwed]

Stun guns don't stun people-people do.

[Sandtrap328]

Just curious - where do you see any statement about carrying in The Villages?
Did I miss this? I realize you are anti-gun and i respect your right to that opinion but I think you may be stretching this a bit.

The OP asked if others felt if stun guns were a good idea or not and also if they were legal in Florida. The conclusion, to me, is that the OP was asking regarding carrying such a weapon in The Villages.

It makes no difference really if he was talking about carrying in The Villages or elsewhere. Same basic question applies - are you really that afraid to go outside your house without a weapon?

[graciegirl]

Stun guns don't stun people-people do.


Ahh yes. There WAS a time....................

[MikeV]

Just curious - where do you see any statement about carrying in The Villages?
Did I miss this? I realize you are anti-gun and i respect your right to that opinion but I think you may be stretching this a bit.

You can't argue with anti gun people. Even though you have a God given right to defend yourself they will always say "why do you feel you need a weapon or are you afraid" or some such nonsense. No one is afraid until something happens to them. If you want to carry a Taser and it is legal and it makes you feel safe then do it no matter what anyone says about it.

[Villages PL]

see first paragraph
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html)

Thanks, I see that a license is needed to carry a concealed weapon and that includes an "electronic weapon or device."

[Sandtrap328]

You can't argue with anti gun people. Even though you have a God given right to defend yourself they will always say "why do you feel you need a weapon or are you afraid" or some such nonsense. No one is afraid until something happens to them. If you want to carry a Taser and it is legal and it makes you feel safe then do it no matter what anyone says about it.

Once again, I do have to ask those the most obvious question as asked above, "Are you that afraid to go outside your home without a weapon?"

Of course, if it is legal, there is nothing stopping you from doing so. However, do think about the unintended consequence if you did use the weapon. Massive legal expenses even if you were in the right. And if you were judged to be in the wrong ... you would not even want to think about that.

[graciegirl]

You can't argue with anti gun people. Even though you have a God given right to defend yourself they will always say "why do you feel you need a weapon or are you afraid" or some such nonsense. No one is afraid until something happens to them. If you want to carry a Taser and it is legal and it makes you feel safe then do it no matter what anyone says about it.


I had never met a person who owned a gun, other than for hunting, (and my grandfather, a police officer) in my life until I moved here. I was astonished, as I feel this is just as safe as the Ohio suburb I left.( In 20 years, 100k people, two murders. ) But I have since learned that all of the gun owners are ordinary people, not any different than the non gun owners I lived near before. Many had military careers, or moved from very different areas than the place I lived all of my life. They were big on gun safety and didn't talk about it or show off about it at all. I opened my mind and really felt safer knowing that most of my neighbors were armed, when we had that rash of burglaries a few months back. We have a very safe environment here, I like it a lot and I like the gun owners and the non gun owners.

I know this, that as we age we can't kick, bite, punch, run, smack or scream like we used to. But we have a right to protect ourselves in any way we can.

[billethkid]

You can't argue with anti gun people. Even though you have a God given right to defend yourself they will always say "why do you feel you need a weapon or are you afraid" or some such nonsense. No one is afraid until something happens to them. If you want to carry a Taser and it is legal and it makes you feel safe then do it no matter what anyone says about it.

And they consistently present thier argument based on their interpretation/"conclusion" of what was said.

Usually resulting in a two bag popcorn session:024:

[tomwed]

I had never met a person who owned a gun, other than for hunting, (and my grandfather, a police officer) in my life until I moved here. I was astonished, as I feel this is just as safe as the Ohio suburb I left.( In 20 years, 100k people, two murders. ) But I have since learned that all of the gun owners are ordinary people, not any different than the non gun owners I lived near before. Many had military careers, or moved from very different areas than the place I lived all of my life. They were big on gun safety and didn't talk about it or show off about it at all. I opened my mind and really felt safer knowing that most of my neighbors were armed, when we had that rash of burglaries a few months back. We have a very safe environment here, I like it a lot and I like the gun owners and the non gun owners.

I know this, that as we age we can't kick, bite, punch, run, smack or scream like we used to. But we have a right to protect ourselves in any way we can.
Where I lived only the hunters and police officers I know had guns too. And like you my position is shifting too. If "would be" buglers are not sure which houses or cars are carrying a weapon then maybe that protects me too. But there is a part of me that says "If I don't have a gun then I can't shoot anyone by mistake." So I guess I'm still mulling this over.

[Cajulian]

Once again, I do have to ask those the most obvious question as asked above, "Are you that afraid to go outside your home without a weapon?"

Of course, if it is legal, there is nothing stopping you from doing so. However, do think about the unintended consequence if you did use the weapon. Massive legal expenses even if you were in the right. And if you were judged to be in the wrong ... you would not even want to think about that.

Like MikeV said, you just can't argue (reason) with anti-gun (anti-2nd amendment) people. Sandtrap seems to assume that concealed weapon carriers don't have a need to carry and have not thought seriously enough about all the consequences of carrying. Anyone that has ever been in a life threatening situation as a victim, fully understands why it's important for them and what can happen, both good and bad.

Florida is one of the most crime oriented states I have seen, around or in any of the major cities. The Villages is a pretty safe place, we all know that.

For those that feel the need to have a concealed weapon, I fully support their rights. And I hope they never have the need to use it as it is a life changing event. But it's always good to still be alive and your family safe.


The Lady that was arrested for having the Stun Gun, has a legitimate need based on her personal history. She chose to carry a device that would incapacitate a perpetrator rather than kill him/her.

[billethkid]

the argument of what to do or not to do based on a slice of life in TV is pretty confining......and unrealistic.....when measured against the over all reality of the world we live in .....of which TV is a very small part!

[fred53]

Once again, I do have to ask those the most obvious question as asked above, "Are you that afraid to go outside your home without a weapon?"

Of course, if it is legal, there is nothing stopping you from doing so. However, do think about the unintended consequence if you did use the weapon. Massive legal expenses even if you were in the right. And if you were judged to be in the wrong ... you would not even want to think about that.

but you ignore that. If you are a responsible gun/taser owner and have been trained it beats being beaten or killed by criminals...if/when it happens to you you'll understand. Until that day(and I hope it never happens)you'll spout the same stuff over and over. Again *sigh*. We don't live in Utopia and never will, but it's nice to imagine.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst.

[Carl in Tampa]

I had never met a person who owned a gun, other than for hunting, (and my grandfather, a police officer) in my life until I moved here. I was astonished, as I feel this is just as safe as the Ohio suburb I left.( In 20 years, 100k people, two murders. ) But I have since learned that all of the gun owners are ordinary people, not any different than the non gun owners I lived near before. Many had military careers, or moved from very different areas than the place I lived all of my life. They were big on gun safety and didn't talk about it or show off about it at all. I opened my mind and really felt safer knowing that most of my neighbors were armed, when we had that rash of burglaries a few months back. We have a very safe environment here, I like it a lot and I like the gun owners and the non gun owners.

I know this, that as we age we can't kick, bite, punch, run, smack or scream like we used to. But we have a right to protect ourselves in any way we can.

Gracie brings refreshing commonsense to the discussion. It is a pleasure to read her opinions.

Those interested in my attitude, based upon 40 years of law enforcement experience which includes serving at the city, county and federal levels and in positions as diverse as dispatcher, jailer, street cop, detective, hostage negotiator and special agent, might want to check my posting in the thread about protecting yourself at an ATM. What you learn about human depravity when working as a street cop cannot be adequately communicated to one who has not seen it.

Those who have seen it are understandably reluctant to go out in public unarmed. I know people who even carry a firearm while inside their own home.

Arf. :police:

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[dewilson58]

If I KNEW when to carry and when not to carry..........life would be simpler......but I don't so I do.

[redwitch]

Most who carry have weighed the consequences, have taken myriad gun safety courses, spend their fair share of time at a shooting range. I think few with concealed carry permit without a lot of thought behind it. We don't carry because it makes us bigger and stronger nor to win an argument. We carry because we feel there is a real need. It doesn't mean we're afraid all the time. It doesn't mean we will pull our weapon out at the slightest provocation. It does mean that should the need arise, we are able to protect ourselves and those we care about.

Personally, I can never imagine pulling my Glock to protect my property. You want my stuff, be my guest but you give me even the slightest inkling that you mean to harm me or mine, be prepared to get shot and I was not taught to aim to wound. And, yes, I am willing to suffer the consequences should that happen.

[rubicon]

The OP asked if others felt if stun guns were a good idea or not and also if they were legal in Florida. The conclusion, to me, is that the OP was asking regarding carrying such a weapon in The Villages.

It makes no difference really if he was talking about carrying in The Villages or elsewhere. Same basic question applies - are you really that afraid to go outside your house without a weapon?

Yes and if the Ferguson type riots continue around the country I may try and buy some of that military equipment the military is giving to police departments

CAIR and the New Black Panther Party are stirring up minorities intentionally along with Al Sharpton Barack Obama and Eric Holder.

Ferguson is becoming such a problem that the group Oath Keepers offered their services to Ferguson residents.

If I were a cop I go on strike. Heck of a way to treat people who place their lives on the line to protect citizens.

[Shimpy]

Those who have seen it are understandably reluctant to go out in public unarmed.
Arf. :police:
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I don't ever expect to total my car when I leave home, but I still carry auto insurance.
I can understand the concern of those about shooting and having long court battles such as we've seen lately. It's up to those carrying to discipline themselves to not shoot unless their life is at stake. Then if you had to shoot it would still be better to face a jury than have a funeral. In most cases the showing of a firearm when confronted is enough to end the threat.

[ugotme]

Most who carry have weighed the consequences, have taken myriad gun safety courses, spend their fair share of time at a shooting range. I think few with concealed carry permit without a lot of thought behind it. We don't carry because it makes us bigger and stronger nor to win an argument. We carry because we feel there is a real need. It doesn't mean we're afraid all the time. It doesn't mean we will pull our weapon out at the slightest provocation. It does mean that should the need arise, we are able to protect ourselves and those we care about.

Personally, I can never imagine pulling my Glock to protect my property. You want my stuff, be my guest but you give me even the slightest inkling that you mean to harm me or mine, be prepared to get shot and I was not taught to aim to wound. And, yes, I am willing to suffer the consequences should that happen.

Couldn't agree more.
I have been shooting for over 30 years - pistol, rifle, trap, skeet etc. I was a trained range instructor for about 10 years. Even when I thought I heard something "outside" I have yet to grab my gun. Besides, I would never just walk outside to look - that would give the perp a distinct advantage over me.
No, I don't carry in The Villages but certain times when I leave here I do. Believe me you do not have to fear me. Or, I suspect, 99.9% of legal carry permit holders.

As the saying goes - I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it!

[billethkid]

If I KNEW when to carry and when not to carry..........life would be simpler......but I don't so I do.

That is the logic behind why law enforcement carry where ever they go.....and it ONLY makes sense.....yes, even in TV bubble!!!!!!!

[Moderator]

This thread is about stun guns, whether they are legal in FL and the pros and cons of having one. It has gone severely off track. Please return to the OP's question or the thread will be closed.

Moderator.

[outlaw]

Once again, I do have to ask those the most obvious question as asked above, "Are you that afraid to go outside your home without a weapon?"

Of course, if it is legal, there is nothing stopping you from doing so. However, do think about the unintended consequence if you did use the weapon. Massive legal expenses even if you were in the right. And if you were judged to be in the wrong ... you would not even want to think about that.

I have to ask. Are you so afraid of the unintended consequences if you did use a weapon, or the massive legal expenses, or if you were judged to be in the wrong that you would shirk your responsibility to protect yourself, your family and your fellow citizen?

[TheVillageChicken]

I think a stun gun presents more danger to the person carrying it than to an attacker. Pepper spray would be a better option

[Sandtrap328]

I have to ask. Are you so afraid of the unintended consequences if you did use a weapon, or the massive legal expenses, or if you were judged to be in the wrong that you would shirk your responsibility to protect yourself, your family and your fellow citizen?

Nonsense question. It also does not fit the category and the moderator has warned about shutting down the thread.

[BobandMary]

I don't know the Florida gun laws yet. We hope to move to your Paradise when I retire in July. In the meantime, please don't bring or transport any guns, including stun guns, into or through NJ. (2C: 39-3h) We will have our guns, including my Lady Smith 357 Mag with pink grips, sent to Florida from our local gun shop. We are looking for a new home when we visit for the 4th time in January. We'd love a 3 bedroom with privacy North of 466A, ideally with room for a pool. Any suggestions would be welcome. And thanks again for all your wisdom and advice. We really appreciate it.

[Tennisnut]

Yes and if the Ferguson type riots continue around the country I may try and buy some of that military equipment the military is giving to police departments

CAIR and the New Black Panther Party are stirring up minorities intentionally along with Al Sharpton Barack Obama and Eric Holder.

Ferguson is becoming such a problem that the group Oath Keepers offered their services to Ferguson residents.

If I were a cop I go on strike. Heck of a way to treat people who place their lives on the line to protect citizens.

Who is CAIR? Is there an Old and New Black Panther Party?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If I KNEW when to carry and when not to carry..........life would be simpler......but I don't so I do.

That's exactly the point of carrying all the time. Yes, the Villages is very safe. Yes, we have one of the lowest crime rates in the country, but still things happen. If the chances of being accosted are .001% you might feel perfectly safe without a weapon until that .001% happens to you.

The only way to assure your safety in the event of the improbable happening is to arm yourself all the time.

I wonder if this question should be raised about people that have emergency weather radios and hurricane/tornado preparedness kits with food and water? Do they think that we're going to have a life threatening hurricane or tornado even though we have had one in the past thirty years?

Ask someone who has lived through a tornado if he protects himself in the event of another one. It seems that the odds of a tornado or hurricane destroying your home is probably about the same as you being attacked. Does that mean that you don't take precautions?

[KayakerNC]

The only way to assure your safety in the event of the improbable happening is to arm yourself all the time.

I wonder if this question should be raised about people that have emergency weather radios and hurricane/tornado preparedness kits with food and water? Do they think that we're going to have a life threatening hurricane or tornado even though we have had one in the past thirty years?

Ask someone who has lived through a tornado if he protects himself in the event of another one. It seems that the odds of a tornado or hurricane destroying your home is probably about the same as you being attacked. Does that mean that you don't take precautions?

Who is most likely to be shot by a gun at home.
Hint: Not the bad guys.

For women, guns in the home prove especially deadly - Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/24/news/la-ol-guns-women-increased-risk-of-being-shot-studies-20140224)

[billethkid]

Who is most likely to be shot by a gun at home.
Hint: Not the bad guys.

For women, guns in the home prove especially deadly - Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/24/news/la-ol-guns-women-increased-risk-of-being-shot-studies-20140224)

And what miniscule percent of all the guns in homes does that represent?

[TheVillageChicken]

Who is most likely to be shot by a gun at home.
Hint: Not the bad guys.

For women, guns in the home prove especially deadly - Los Angeles Times (http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/24/news/la-ol-guns-women-increased-risk-of-being-shot-studies-20140224)

The one with the least amount of training and experience. That leaves me out.