Dog walkers on golf courses

[Kathy Hall]

We are animal lovers, but when people walk their dogs on the golf course at night...unleashed...to eliminate on the course or in our yards, we get angry...not at the dogs...at the owners. We live on a golf course and we'd love to go out and chip and putt at night, but it's not allowed...neither is walking the courses...neither are unleashed dogs. The Daily Sun has put reminders that walking is not allowed on golf courses, but they put these reminders in the golf section...most of these people probably aren't golfers. We've even had bicycles and motorcycles drive by our lanai. Any suggestions on how to remedy this problem.

[zcaveman]

Traversing machine gun emplacements every 50 yards comes to mind.

[Barefoot]

Too bad the Developers didn't plan dog parks or walking trails (other than Springdale). They allow two dogs per household, and this is bound to cause problems if adequate walking areas are not provided. The Developers should provide facilities for the thousands and thousands of dogs they allow to live in TV.

They provide 32 golf courses, surely they could have a few scruffy fenced areas for letting dogs run. That would go a long way to alleviating the types of problems described.

[MnGirl]

What?? TV should provide? That means you and me, and I don't have a dog. When I did, they wouldn't let the dogs on the walking trails. Some think a trail is open land, and they don't have to clean up.
If you have a dog, and want to walk it, walk it in the street. If you want to let your dog run free, go to the dog park on 101.
Speaking of golf course, I see people cut across Fox Run going to and from the Summerhill pool.

[Barefoot]

What?? TV should provide? That means you and me, and I don't have a dog.

Hmmm ... let me see if I understand your reasoning. As part of our amenities, the Developer provides golf courses for you and me, and I don't golf. Because I don't golf, does that mean the Developer shouldn't provide golf courses for anyone else? :dontknow:

[jvjaramillo]

Perhaps a "dog fee" should be implemented, like the "trail fee". If you live here and bring a pet, you pay a yearly fee for dog business. The fee would not have to be high, but a small fee would be appropriate. Those that play golf have to pay the "trail fee" yearly - a fee not required of those that do not play golf.

Everyone gets a statement from Teco, Seco, Lil Sum., etc. why not include a letter to "all" village residents as a reminder about golf course uses "after hours".

[Barefoot]

Perhaps a "dog fee" should be implemented, like the "trail fee". Those that play golf have to pay the "trail fee" yearly - a fee not required of those that do not play golf.

I had no idea there was a yearly trail fee for playing on Executive golf courses. (I did know there was a fee for Championship courses). That is news to me. I had understood golf was free on Executive golf courses (the only charge being for your cart if you use one.)

[billethkid]

There is a trail fee for using your golf cart on the executive courses.

As far as a dog fee....BS...NO WAY JOSE!!!!

[MnGirl]

I think this is a golfing community, or so stated. They have horse communities.
I just want everyone to understand, TV funding is us.
I do love dogs!

[Barefoot]

I just want everyone to understand, TV funding is us.

MnGirl: I think we all understand that funding for amenities is provided by residents, and we can debate endlessly about which activities should be funded. Kathy Hall was complaining about people allowing their pets to run free on golf courses. I agree with her. We back on a golf course and I wouldn't dream of taking my dogs on it.

My point is that the Developer has chosen to provide amenities for many types of people. There are golfers, pickleball players, painters, exercise lovers, paranormal classes, etc., etc. Something for everyone. All of us pick and choose which activities we prefer.

By allowing two dogs per household, the Developer has indeed made TV into a dog community. It is why many people bought houses in TV! However the Developer neglected to provide walking trails or dog parks for the thousands of dogs it allows. As a possible solution, I suggested the Developer should provide dog parks. I'm not suggesting glorious, manicured and wooded areas with ponds. I'm suggesting that the Developer should fence off a few scrubby, undesirable areas for dog parks. There is currently a lot of friction between those who own dogs and those who would prefer a community without them. By providing a few scrubby dog parks, I think a lot of the ill will felt by some people against inconsiderate dog owners would be eliminated.

And Fumar, I know you're going to suggest putting them in with the Buffalo, don't do it!

[Taltarzac]

I thought walking your dog on the golf course was against the law? Think that was in the Villages phone book somewhere which stated that local ordinances made this illegal??

From the The Villages Phone Book 2008 it says that there's an animal ordinance in the Town of Lady Lake and Sumter County which forbids dogs on the golf courses AND the polo fields. (page 35 in the White page section in the front of the phone book).

[Barefoot]

I thought walking your dog on the golf course was against the law?

Tal, I think Kathy's point was that people aren't obeying the by-laws!
And they're on the golf courses at night (with or without dogs), and there is no-one around to kick them off. She was looking for a suggestion on how to remedy the problem. Calling The Villages to report it is obviously one way to address it. Difficult to eliminate the behaviour without providing an alternative place to walk.

[Just Susan]

TV could be called a Golf Community...they advertise it on the Golf Channel and there are somewhere around 32+/- golf courses. That is certainly more golf that most communities provide. So I guess it is a Golf Community and all resources should be directed that way.

Hmmmm, wait a minute TV has probably got even more pools than golf facilities, maybe it should be known as a Pool Community and more funding should be directed that way. With so many pools that must be why people move to TV.

But wait, I don't do either one and I am moving to TV. I am moving for the clubs and the activities. Now I know for a fact that there are more clubs and activities than there are golf courses or pools. I say we direct all funding away from the 1st two options, which I will seldom if ever use, and make all classes and clubs free and fully funded.

Oh dear, I was just reminded that there are probably more dogs than there are clubs and activities ...so I guess...

You get my point. The Villages is a community for us all. Our varied interests and focuses are ALL important. We are ALL important and we should ALL be tolerant of each other.

Hopefully we learned to share as small children.

My point being we have golf courses for golfers, pools for swimmers, clubs for clubbers, we've got animal lovers with no convenient place to excercise their pets. I don't have a pet. I would love to see dog parks (small fenced areas) in most of the individual villages. It will keep the poo out of my yard and off the golf courses.

[Taltarzac]

Not sure I am close to anywhere in Lynnhaven where they could put in a dog park. The responsibility seems to be with the dog owners to clean up after their pooches when they go on others' yards. I even throw a bucket of water on the place around my neighbors' where my dog pees. That's when he goes on one of the neighbor's lawns.

[Barefoot]

Susan, beautifully stated. :bigthumbsup:

[Hancle704]

Is there a problem walking dogs alongside the many trails that go all through TV? The dog gets the excercise along with the owner. The owner also has the chance to do some bending over to pick up. Most of the abuse I see results from dogs running lose and not having their deposits picked up.

Some, not all dog owners, think that their pets should only do their business in someone elses' yard or in the common areas or golf courses and not in THEIR YARDS.

I believe in some areas of TV, only 1 dog is allowed per home unless you move in with two. In some areas, I've been told, there are covenants that dictate dogs must weight less than x number of pounds. There has certainly been violations of the rules by some folks who have bought more than one dog since moving into TV home.

[villagelady]

Walkers, with or without dogs, are on the courses both day and night. Just drive down Enriique anytime and you will see them. Why isn't one of the golf workers stopping them. I am not a golfer, but I know that is the rule for any golf course. I also know that a trail fee is paid so you can use your cart. Golfing on the executive courses is free if you walk.

[Rokinronda]

At the $1 store they sell disposable diaper bags for soiled diapers, they are perfect poop bags in that they have handles that tie tight. 100 bags for $1. I would never think of letting my 2 babies use others personal or public properties for their business and not clean it up!! Also an unleashed pet can chase a rabbit and be a lost pet in seconds!! I only let my dogs do their business in my own yard, but the bags are for the impropmtu visits to the historic east of 27 doggy park. Dogs on golf courses? Mine don't golf!

[Barefoot]

Is there a problem walking dogs alongside the many trails that go all through TV?

Hancle, I think the problem is that people don't know where the many trails are located, thus the abuse of golf courses. The only walking trail that I can find on the map is the Springdale Walking Trail located in the upper North/West part of TV. When I questioned the Village Agent about walking trails, I was told that there is only one Trail. And that people are expected to get their exercise golfing.

If there are more trails, I'd be delighted to hear about them. Anything in the South/West part of TV?

[chelsea24]

I must be living in LaLa land because in the 6 months we've lived here, I have never seen a dog off leash! Well for my 2 cents worth, I don't golf, I don't swim, and I LOVE doggies!
(Even though I do not have one at the moment!) I think Bare and Susan have great ideas. I would love to see a some kind of dog park in every community. We have a pool and rec center in every community. Back in Illinois, my daughter was years out of school and we still payed taxes to have the best schools around. I don't see the difference. If there is a small fee, I don't think Dog Lovers would complain. But, I do think the Developer should provide it. Dogs are family members and should be treated as such. This is indeed a Dog Lover Community and I really don't get why the Developer didn't allow for this. I think it would solve everyone's problem, even mine. Not owning a dog yet (long story) I would love to walk down to a neighborhood dog park and enjoy all the doggy energy going on. I vote for Dog Parks! :bigthumbsup:
They bring joy and love to all. http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/puppykisses.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[MnGirl]

Kathy if you have a problem with people on your course, why don't you say something to them. How about, "Excuse me, did you know your not supposed to be on the course?" act concerned that they may get fined. Usually, that puts an end to it, much of this is done by renters, or visitors.
If the golf course is private, isn't everyones yard? Flex leashes were developed so you could exercise your dog and still be in control, not to let him wander into someones yard while you stand in the street. Has anyone heard of "curbing"? It's when you have the dog relieve it's self on the curb (and then clean it up). Allowing male dogs to pee on my garbage, trees, or street sign is so not right.
Back to the other topic. Who wants to live by the dog park?

[The Great Fumar]

I SAY PUT ALL DOGS IN THE BUFFALO FIELDS........AND KEEP THEM THERE..

that way you can visit them on weekends.........I heard that was considered once before but the buffalo complained about the c__p all over their area.........Oh well,,,,there's allways FRUITLAND PARK....
;D ;D :bigthumbsup:

[Kathy Hall]

Thank you for all your replies. My main intent was not to bash dog owners but to ask what could be done to those who are not only breaking the law (NO non-golfers on Championship Golf Courses!!!....NO unleashed dogs...ANYWHERE), but causing unsafe situations. The back of our house faces the golf course. Altho it appeared that this couple with their dogs running free were Villagers, how could we be sure. How could we be sure that they weren't outsiders checking out houses for potential break-ins? In this particular instance, I opened my slider and one of the little dogs came running...right past me and into my house. Cute little dog, but... I picked it up and headed down the cart path looking for its parents. While walking, I could see right into my neighbors' homes...and so can anyone else walking the course. Anyway, I walked quite a ways and never saw the couple, so I turned to return home...dog still in my arms. As I got close to my house, I heard someone whisteling. They apparently had finally discovered that one of their dogs wasn't with them. I yelled to them asking if this was their dog. The woman yelled 'yes and thank you.' I replied that she was not supposed to be walking on the golf course and that there was a leash law. She again, said 'thank you.' I don't think she was thanking me for enlightening her tho. I've spoken to other walkers and that hasn't deterred them either. I'm very uncomfortable with people walking behind our house when we bought...and paid (dearly) for privacy. Any further suggestions would be appreciated.

[Rokinronda]

We need someone of authority to tell them. Maybe a posting in the paper? I didn't realize people walked around golf courses??!!!! :o FORE!!

[billethkid]

Hving lived here for over 4 years...I do golf 2-3 times per week both Executive and Championship courses and can say I have never seen anybody that did not belong on the golf course..let alone walking the dog.
I suspect we are trying to adjust our thoughts to isolated incidents....very isolated and looking for a solution to that isolated incident or incidents.
In fact I would say regarding dogs on leashes and folks not walking around golf courses the percent compliance is well above 99%!
Next subject please.

BTK

[Happy Villager]

In response to your looking for a solution re the walkers on the golf course you might try going to a Resident Advisory Council meeting and informing them of the situation. Another idea would be to notify your VHA Village Rep of what is occurring.

As a dog owner I am very upset with Florida's Friendliest Hometown residents that have no consideration for private property by allowing their dogs to defacate on their neighbor's land. We live on a corner lot and we "were" having these "friendly" neighbors dog's doing their business here day and night. I say "were" because we finally decided if these neighbor's have no consideration for us then we were through trying to be civil and nice to them. I put signs in the front and side windows informing them no dogs allowed on our lawn. I also put a suggestion on the Village survey requesting they make it a law for pet owners to train their animals to defacate on their own lawn or the common areas in their respective village.

In one of The Villages Water Wisdom articles in the Daily Sun it stated that pet waste
carries bacteria, viruses, and parasites that can pose risks to human health and threaten wildlife.

[chuckster]

Hving lived here for over 4 years...I do golf 2-3 times per week both Executive and Championship courses and can say I have never seen anybody that did not belong on the golf course..let alone walking the dog.
I suspect we are trying to adjust our thoughts to isolated incidents....very isolated and looking for a solution to that isolated incident or incidents.
In fact I would say regarding dogs on leashes and folks not walking around golf courses the percent compliance is well above 99%!
Next subject please.

Thought you would like to know that I've seen walkers, bikers, kids in golf carts, kids playing on palmer (touch football-called village watch and no one responded) after hours golfers with no tag on cart, generally enough over the past few years to refute your 99% compliance. :) :)

BTK

[chuckster]

Oops, my reply was sent in BTK's reply and not as a stand alone message. Sorry about the mix up. Anyway have seen on numerous ocassions non-golfers on golf cart paths that are clearly marked "golfing traffic only". As mentioned noticed kids playing touch football on palmer and in sight of golfers who ignored them. Also robberies in the local news last year, where it was suspected someone on a bicycle used golf course paths as access to the backs of houses. Enough on this....... :) :)

[Hancle704]

Hancle, I think the problem is that people don't know where the many trails are located, thus the abuse of golf courses. The only walking trail that I can find on the map is the Springdale Walking Trail located in the upper North/West part of TV. When I questioned the Village Agent about walking trails, I was told that there is only one Trail. And that people are expected to get their exercise golfing.

If there are more trails, I'd be delighted to hear about them. Anything in the South/West part of TV?


There is a newly paved path that runs alongside of CR 466A. Last Saturday I traveled by golf cart alongside of Morse Blvd from North of CR 466 all the way to CR 466A.Seems to me that dog owners could walk along these wide paths and have dog walk with them on a leash. These paths are wide enough to accomodate golf carts, bicyclists, walkers and yes, dogs. Similar paths run alongside CR 466 from Morse to Buena Vista Blvd and in many parts of TV. My point is none of these paths are restricted to golf carts only and they all have grass areas alongside and an occasional park bench for folks to rest and enjoy the day with man's best friends.

[Peggy D]

Hmmm ... let me see if I understand your reasoning. As part of our amenities, the Developer provides golf courses for you and me, and I don't golf. Because I don't golf, does that mean the Developer shouldn't provide golf courses for anyone else? :dontknow:


Barefoot,

I'm with you on this one. I don't golf, nor do I have a dog (we're cat people) but I certainly would be in favor of a dog park for all the puppies in TV.

The developers advertise they are open to suggestions, maybe if enough dog owners request a doggie park, they will accommodate.

It's worth a try

[Just Susan]

Back to the other topic. Who wants to live by the dog park?


I think probably the same kind of people who would live by a school or a playground because they have kids. :)

[Barefoot]

Barefoot, I'm with you on this one. I don't golf, nor do I have a dog (we're cat people) but I certainly would be in favor of a dog park for all the puppies in TV. The developers advertise they are open to suggestions, maybe if enough dog owners request a doggie park, they will accommodate. It's worth a try

Thanks for your comments Peggy. I certainly did request a dog park in the recent Survey by TV. Hopefully others did also.

BTW, I totally agree with those people who don't like dogs going to the bathroom on their lawns. That is rude and unacceptable behavior by dog owners. And gives us all a bad name.

My worry is this. There is currently a private dog park where many, many Village dogs take their owners on a daily basis. Should this park
ever close, I believe that the impact on TV would be considerable.
If TV provided a dog park, it will make dog lovers happy, as well as those people who complain about dogs.

[Autoshow]

To solve the problem,let your dog do his duty on your own property,then take him/her for a walk.
I still find it hard to believe that people take there animals to other peoples places to let then do there duty.
Shame on all of you,including the ones that take there animals to all the mail boxes and the post offices.
Animals are like children if you dont know how to handle them,dont have them.












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[Autoshow]

So you want dog parks in every neighborhood,the developer gave you swimming pools,rec centers,golf courses, and many other things that are so reasonably priced, if he gave you dog parks then we need places for the kittens and cats,apparently there will be no end to what you are asking for,is it any wonder the developer keeps a low profile around the villages.Every body wants this and that,all I hear is gimme this,do this,we need this,give me that,can't you be happy with what we have here now, and we do have plenty,I will not blame the developer if he leaves when all the build out is finished.With 75 thousand people here now, I know we all can't agree on all things,but please give me a break and please stop your crying and asking for more more more.Take what you are given and enjoy it,we are all not here for an eternity.
Thanks for letting me have my say.

[graciegirl]

So you want dog parks in every neighborhood,the developer gave you swimming pools,rec centers,golf courses, and many other things that are so reasonably priced, if he gave you dog parks then we need places for the kittens and cats,apparently there will be no end to what you are asking for,is it any wonder the developer keeps a low profile around the villages.Every body wants this and that,all I hear is gimme this,do this,we need this,give me that,can't you be happy with what we have here now, and we do have plenty,I will not blame the developer if he leaves when all the build out is finished.With 75 thousand people here now, I know we all can't agree on all things,but please give me a break and please stop your crying and asking for more more more.Take what you are given and enjoy it,we are all not here for an eternity.
Thanks for letting me have my say.


I love this forum, because everyone can have their say and I am all for that. We have kitties, but I do love dogs and we live in an area where the sidewalks are across the street, not on our side. I enjoy seeing the pups take their people for a walk and some will stop and squat and people come equipped to carry it home.

I don't find it offensive for people to discuss things they'd like and do not consider it whining.
I don't think anyone is going to have a nervous breakdown if a dog park is not forthcoming. I believe that the developer is interested in pleasing the folks that move here and will try to fulfil as many wishes as they can.

Talking and chatting is so good for all of us. We learn from each other. Sometimes we are pleased and others not so much.

We have all lived long enough that almost anything we hear or see is not a huge surprise and we have learned to deal with annoyances and disappointments. I LOVE that we are all grown up here. This is truly a paradise of mostly like minded folks.

[Russ_Boston]

Indonesian cultures have solved their dog problems - Yep, taste like chicken!

Wait I'll save you all the typing:

That's just wrong Russ, what's your problem?



Actually I love dogs, cats, buffalo, baby buffalo etc. but let's get realistic. It is very simple, each person must have their own accountability for their pets and all their actions. You can partly blame lawyers for the current situation. If I hit a golf ball off of some trespassers noggin who was walking his dog on the course then I get sued! And lose! Don't ask me how I know, it's a sad story. I was actually told "that's why they have golf insurance" - who knew?

[rgray99]

Good points 'autoshow' and 'Russ Boston'. I don't have a dog or dogs, and when I bought here I did not realize how many dogs were in TV. I even ask my realtor at the closing if he was going to issue me a dog for use while here. If you have one, please follow the rules and don't let it interfere with my and other non dog owners pleasure of living here. Barking, running unleashed, depositing on private property not your own or community property, and other unreasonable acts should not be tolerated and it does give all dog owners a black eye. Dog parks are a great idea, "just not in my neighborhood".

[hdken]

I thought walking your dog on the golf course was against the law? Think that was in the Villages phone book somewhere which stated that local ordinances made this illegal??

From the The Villages Phone Book 2008 it says that there's an animal ordinance in the Town of Lady Lake and Sumter County which forbids dogs on the golf courses AND the polo fields. (page 35 in the White page section in the front of the phone book).


Man, you guys are stiff! No walking on the golf courses? Can someone explain to me what could possibly be wrong with walking on a golf course, assuming that one is not interfering with golf play?

[RCT]

So you want dog parks in every neighborhood,the developer gave you swimming pools,rec centers,golf courses, and many other things that are so reasonably priced, if he gave you dog parks then we need places for the kittens and cats,apparently there will be no end to what you are asking for,is it any wonder the developer keeps a low profile around the villages.Every body wants this and that,all I hear is gimme this,do this,we need this,give me that,can't you be happy with what we have here now, and we do have plenty,I will not blame the developer if he leaves when all the build out is finished.With 75 thousand people here now, I know we all can't agree on all things,but please give me a break and please stop your crying and asking for more more more.Take what you are given and enjoy it,we are all not here for an eternity.
Thanks for letting me have my say.

The developer WANTS the survey done, that's why they have it, for suggestions, and they have obviously listened to it over the years, and learned from Village to village that they build. The last State of the Villages address by Morse, even said that. So, requseting something more, and making things better, are a part of what TV's is all about.

[Fourpar]

I'm all for 'dog walks", if it keeps 'em off the golf courses & away from me. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that do not appreciate other peoples' dogs or other pets. Unfortunately there are too many pet owners that cannot grasp that fact. And walking your dog, horse, cat or penguin on a golf course does interfere with play, if not immediately, then later as golfers (and course maintenance people) deal with the "leavings".

Play by the rules, keep your pets off the golf courses. Pretty sure that's part of the many covenants in TV, and as such you agreed to 'em when you bought into TV, so get over it.

(not looking for a tiff, just putting my opinion out there)

[smalldog]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm107/smalldog2008/IMG_0171-3.jpg

Smalldog sez the problem is training the dog owners as to what their end of the deal is( was it mentioned at the Newbie orientation, I don't remember ??? ) might be a good place to start ::) ...... you will never get ALL the people to act responsibly not to mention the 10 % ers who must beat the system ........ just ask the buffalo moms with new calves :'(

[Fourpar]

Smalldog,

You're right there, and it applies to just about any subject. That 10% will always be a thorn in the side of the rest no matter how much publicity, training, hooting or hollering goes on! :)

[redwitch]

I love dogs. I love cats. Heck, I love critters. However, I don't love cleaning up after a dog that isn't mine. This used to be a major problem in one house in California. After cleaning up after the same dog for well over a month and talks to the owner were a waste of my breath, I got mean!

I patiently sat in my front yard with a water hose turned on (but not spraying). The second the dog stopped to leave me his present, I sprayed him. Three nights of this and that dog would circle around my house.

It's not the most fun thing to do, but it does work and if the owners don't like it, I'd suggest to them they walk their dog somewhere other than on a golf course. Maybe you can get a neighborhood brigade to do this. Poor dog will never want to walk in your direction again.

It really is a shame that some people just can't be responsible. It shouldn't be our job to get them to do what is right, but it frequently is.

[samhass]

I agree, Red. It infuriates me when I see people allow their dogs to defecate on property other than their own. Even if the waste is cleaned up, residue may remain. That's another reason I never go barefoot. Hey Barefoot, I may have to change my log on name to "shoesalwayson". ;)

[Taltarzac]

Have to remember that the water in Villages garden hoses could cause an infection if it gets into a dog's ear though.

At least, in my Village the hose water is unfit to drink.

[samhass]

Tal, I think the hose water is ok. It's different than the irrigation water. Waaaay different.
At least I hope it's different. Florida Pool and Spa use it in the pool and spa when they need some extra water. It even smells different. So far I don't have any ear infections. ;)

[Russ_Boston]

I would assume that the hose water is potable? I thought just the irrigation system water is non-potable. Is that true? Anyone?

Good question!

[Fourpar]

You are correct, Russ, irrigation water is non-potable, and in separate system of pipes.

Up north, I had a fire hydrant in my front yard. Always wanted to electrify that thing! 040

[nONIE]

Red, do ya love birds?????

Just thought I would get the circulation going this morning.

[Taltarzac]

I have been told not to drink the hose water and not to allow my dog to. Not sure how accurate that request was though.

It sounds like the water north of CR466 is the same both inside and outside the homes but south of CR466 the outside water is not safe to drink.

[Russ_Boston]

Good to know - I'll keep my mouth off of the outside spigot!

[redwitch]

The hose water is potable. It is the irrigation system water that is not. (I called both TV and the water district to confirm this.)

[Barefoot]

It infuriates me when I see people allow their dogs to defecate on property other than their own. That's another reason I never go barefoot. Hey Barefoot, I may have to change my log on name to "shoesalwayson". ;)

Hey Shoes ON ... I totally agree; and I have two dogs. People who allow their dogs to defecate on property they don't own are just rude, inconsiderate, unsanitary, and give the rest of us dog owners a bad name. That is one reason I am such a fan of enclosed dog parks. It benefits people who don't want dogs walked on their streets, as well as dog owners.

[Muncle]

I've got the most adorable parakeet and my neighbor has two beautiful canaries. The gal across the street has a lovely myna bird and the British couple has two budgies which friends keep when they must return to their motherland for 6 months and a day. Anyway, we strongly feel that the developer should install a series of "bird flies", hopefully one in each village. This would be an enclosed area large enough that we could bring our loving pets (who are like children to us) and allow them to fly free for a time without the constraints of small cages or leashes. It's only fair since we pay the same amenity fee as dog owners and we get nothing.

There are only two issues with this plan. First, the guy around the corner has a hawk, so he should really be kept in a separate bird fly from our more domestic animals else he'd tend to eat them. And second, we'd probably have to have a staff of fireman type guys to help owners retrieve the birds when it was time to leave, especially if the fly had some trees in it, as it likely should.

[ouma1938]

Too funny Muncle! But at the risk of being reprimanded by Topicop I must ask you a couple of questions. 1. Do birds count toward the "no more than 2 pets rule"? I have cockatiels (2) and a parakeet(1) and a cat. (I can just imagine what you will come back with on that one). 2. I am concerned about getting a vet in TV that may have expertise with birds even if they are aren't an avian specialist. Any thoughts on this would be welcome.
Of course it makes no difference until we sell the house and can move to TV.
Thanks

[Taltarzac]

The hose water is potable. It is the irrigation system water that is not. (I called both TV and the water district to confirm this.)


Still think this depends on what Village you are in as far as potable water from the hose is concerned. I am fairly certain that the hose water in Lynnhaven is not safe to drink without boiling. This Villages Daily Sun article backs that up-- http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2007/08/21/villages/villages01.txt

"That’s because homes constructed south of County Road 466 come with two incoming water lines. One that supplies the tap water for inside, and another that carries stormwater and the less potable Lower Floridan aquifer water. At 12,000 homes and growing, numerous Villages residents are watering their lawns without stressing Florida’s underground water supply.

The Villages’ current water use permit granted by the Governing Board of the Southwest Florida Water Management District demands that only 31 percent come from the Upper Floridan aquifer, which is used for household consumption. The other 69 percent comes from the three alternative sources, which thrilled some members of the SWFWMD board when they discussed The Villages earlier in 2007."

[pqrstar]

The irrigation systems south of 466 use recycled water. The water that comes to your hose is the household water.

The article did not say anything about hose water being from the recycled water. It is addressing the irrigation systems.

Drinking water from the garden hose is not a good idea because of the kind of materials used . . . "Most regular garden hoses can release small amounts of chemicals from their inner walls and fittings, which makes them unsafe for drinking water. . . Unless you purchase hose made from high-quality EPDM rubber and has been FDA-approved for potable water use."

Also, water that has been "resting" inside the "hot" hose may contain grow bacteria. It is not advisable to drink it, especially the first water coming out of it.

Hose water is OK to use to wash your car since it is not the re-claimed water.

[pqrstar]

This thread is addressing the dog walkers on golf courses.

I would like to add that no one, except golfers should be using the golf cart paths or be walking onto the courses.

There are trail fees associated with golfing on both the executive and championship courses.

Even though villager residents pay ammenity fees and are "golf" members at all the country clubs, the country clubs and the championship courses properties themselves do not belong to them. It is my understanding that these properties are owned and operated by the developer and he can chose to sell them to anyone he may wish.

The championship courses are private property thus no one should be using them as their personal walking paths, jogging trails or transportation trails for their golf cart or bicycle at any time.

[gego3650]

I have not seen much of this but if I do I have a powerful pellet gun and will carry it should the need arise.

[Fourpar]

I have not seen much of this but if I do I have a powerful pellet gun and will carry it should the need arise.

Now there ya go. That'll stop 'em.....

As for the water in the garden hoses goes, I wonder do the Ambassadors get the water they put in the coolers round the courses, and the ones on their carts? Wanna bet it isn't bottled water?:ho:

[skyguy79]

I would like to add that no one, except golfers should be using the golf cart paths or be walking onto the courses.

The championship courses are private property thus no one should be using them as their personal walking paths, jogging trails or transportation trails for their golf cart or bicycle at any time.I have personally communicated with the VCDD about this and it's true. That's why they have small tomb sign like notices to that effect at the entry to each golf trail.

The reason given was not connected with any fees paid, but rather a matter of safety, safety from flying golf balls.
I guess that should now include pellets from powerful pellet guns too! http://www.n44.co.uk/forum/Smileys/default/gun.gif

[pklein9747]

Kathy if you have a problem with people on your course, why don't you say something to them. How about, "Excuse me, did you know your not supposed to be on the course?" act concerned that they may get fined. Usually, that puts an end to it, much of this is done by renters, or visitors.
If the golf course is private, isn't everyones yard?

Hubby and I just moved in and were unaware that we were not allowed to walk on the paths on the golf courses in the evening when no one was playing. Twice we took a nice walk on the paths on the executive course that runs through Hadley and the funny thing was that we passed people sitting on their lanai's who waved at us, said hello and commented what a nice evening it was. I wish they would have told us we were not supposed to be walking there. Maybe larger signs indicating that only those playing golf are allowed on the paths at any time are warranted. We will make sure to stay off the paths in the future. Thanks for the heads-up!

[Tbugs]

In the early evening, just about dusk - it is very nice to take an evening walk on the golf cart path of Glenview. The golfers are gone for the night, the walk is usually cool, and the view of the egrets roosting in their trees is wonderful.

No one has ever questioned my being there - including some of the golf ambassadors who are quitting for the day and riding their carts back to the head shed. They always smile and greet us with a hello.

Of course, we would not do this in the daytime when golfers are around.

Once again, just apply common sense.

[Pturner]

Old threads never die.:read:

[golf2140]

Old threads never die.:read:

:BigApplause:

[Bogie Shooter]

Old threads never die.:read:

However, some should.

[Talk Host]

Several years ago, I was walking along the path on Oakleigh executive course just before dark. I never walked on the golf cart paths, but I could see lightening and I wanted to talk a shortcut home.

A woman came running out of her lanai waving her arms in the air and screeching at me. She came right up to my face and started mooing about how "Illegal" (illegal mind you) it was for people to walk on the golf course cart paths. Her booze breath was pronounced as she threatened to turn me in to the authorities.

When she was done with her rant, I said, "You don't understand, I'm with a search party that's looking for an old drunk woman who wandered away from home and is harassing people."

She didn't think it was as funny as I did. :1rotfl:

JLK

[graciegirl]

Several years ago, I was walking along the path on Oakleigh executive course just before dark. I never walked on the golf cart paths, but I could see lightening and I wanted to talk a shortcut home.

A woman came running out of her lanai waving her arms in the air and screeching at me. She came right up to my face and started mooing about how "Illegal" (illegal mind you) it was for people to walk on the golf course cart paths. Her booze breath was pronounced as she threatened to turn me in to the authorities.

When she was done with her rant, I said, "You don't understand, I'm with a search party that's looking for an old drunk woman who wandered away from home and is harassing people."

She didn't think it was as funny as I did. :1rotfl:

JLK

Talk host, you are always amusing us. :1rotfl::clap2: I never heard anyone use the term "mooing" and I am going to file it and bring it out later as my own creative speech.:ho:

I guess that that old drunk woman thought that she had paid extra for a golf view that included evening privacy. Not everyone would agree that walking along the cartpaths after the golfers had gone home was a bad thing,......unless it was after dark. (Tony, where is there a spooky, scarey creepy smilie??)

I agree with the person that said common sense is the best policy.

AND...I agree with PTurner. I always do. ALWAYS!!

[memason]

... (Tony, where is there a spooky, scarey creepy smilie??)



According to Tony, this one will give you the "willies"....

[katezbox]

Hubby and I just moved in and were unaware that we were not allowed to walk on the paths on the golf courses in the evening when no one was playing. Twice we took a nice walk on the paths on the executive course that runs through Hadley and the funny thing was that we passed people sitting on their lanai's who waved at us, said hello and commented what a nice evening it was. I wish they would have told us we were not supposed to be walking there. Maybe larger signs indicating that only those playing golf are allowed on the paths at any time are warranted. We will make sure to stay off the paths in the future. Thanks for the heads-up!


PKlein,

For clarification, I think that would be part of Havana (Hemingway) course.

k

[Challenger]

The rules on golf courses are the same everywhere. No recreational walkers-no dog walking - no playground activities -no bicycling, etc . In fact the only appropriate activity is golf. These rules are not just for the convenience of golfers, but are critical to safety. Golf balls typically travel at more than 100mph even when hit by old weak guys like me. Most people who use the course for purposes other than golf are just ignorant of the danger involved, but I have encountered some who are very beligerent. Postings on the course are helpful but they cannot be placed at every possible entry spot. Golfers would be doing violaters a service by asking them to leave the course and informing them of the dangers involved.

[villages07]

I was playing Heron one day a few months back. At the #4 par 4 a lady was walking a small dog along the cart parth just down from the tee boxes...middle of the day mind you. I tried to very kindly inform her, in case she wasn't aware, that she shouldn't be out there, that it was unsafe and for golfing traffic only. She gave me a dirty look and did not verbalize a reply. Oh well, I tried.

[hockyb]

I decided to winter in TV two years ago. I believe this was a good choice, in spite of my age. I started working in 1943 and retired in 2010. God has mercifully given me good health.

As part of my "search" process, I rented in three places....Iveystone (Woodbury), San Antonio (Rio Ponderosa), & Oleander (Sabal Chase). My 1st choice for an activity is walking..... I found that no area was really satisfactory, for a two mile walk. (except making the rounds of the road in the neighborhood. The walking trail from (Springdale to Mulberry) was great for me. It seems to me that this trail goes through a golf course and it is OK to walk on it. The golf-cart paths on the golf course looked very enticing to me to walk. But I digress. The Springdale fitness trail is great for walking, but the maintenance seems to me about at the level of a dog park. (No put down for the dogs)

In my search for a place to live, I had to walk on many golf cart paths, along to highways. I would consider the golf cart paths on the course to be much safer and certainly a nicer place to walk. Sabal Chase had sidewalks, but crossing Canal Street to go to the PO was an adventure.

Finally, I decided to locate in one of the villa's near Spanish Springs. Sidewalks are available to walk any place I want to go with the exception of the pool.

[bluedog103]

[QUOTE
In my search for a place to live, I had to walk on many golf cart paths, along to highways. I would consider the golf cart paths on the course to be much safer and certainly a nicer place to walk. [/QUOTE]

Walking on a golf course is extremely dangerous. The last thing a golfer expects to see is someone meandering along the cart path, with or without a mutt.
Golf balls are very difficult to control, especially for hackers such as me. Even the pros can't always put that little guy just where he or she wants. That's why we carry more than one ball.
If you'd like to continue to enjoy good health I'd suggest that you find another place to stroll.

[skyguy79]

PKlein, For clarification, I think that would be part of Havana (Hemingway) course.
kYou're correct, it is part of the Havana course! This is exactly the area I communicated with the VCDD & the Havanna CC about when I was seeking the safest path for me to take from my home to my mailbox on my mobility scooter.

The distance between my home and the mailbox is about one and a quarter mile one way and at the time I thought that it would be safer for me to use the restricted golf cart trail with a small risk of getting hit by a golf ball while between Havana Trail and Odell Circle than for me to spend part of my trip on Odell in the golf cart multi-model lane and be at risk of being hit by a golf cart or a motor vehicle.

The several people I communicated with at the VCDD and Havana CC were very nice and understood my concern. However, the bottom line is that the rules are the rules and that the paths are there for the golfers... and consequently not there for anyone to use by making their own exceptions to the rules. As such, my reducing my risks as explained above were no more of an excuse than it is for those who walk pets, take strolls in the evening or simply to enjoy the beauty of the birds in the trees!

After this all passed, I did learn that there was a short stretch of sidewalk (that I wasn't aware of) on Odell between the Odell Center and the restricted golf cart path cross-over on Odell Circle that made the Odell stretch to the mail center completely accessable by sidewalk, except for the cross-over. :D

After I return to TV in the fall, if you see me traveling on one of my speedy 4.5 or 5.5 mph scooters in Hadley, I'd be grateful if you didn't run me over... just smile and wave instead. I've appreciated those who have in the past and will like wise appreciate those who do in the future!
http://smileys.smilchat.net/smileys/daily/scooterr.gif

[English Ivy]

However, the bottom line is that the rules are the rules and that the paths are there for the golfers... and consequently not there for anyone to use by making their own exceptions to the rules. As such, my reducing my risks as explained above were no more of an excuse than it is for those who walk pets, take strolls in the evening or simply to enjoy the beauty of the birds in the trees!

http://smileys.smilchat.net/smileys/daily/scooterr.gif

:BigApplause:
Thank you, Skyguy, for understanding and abiding by the rules. Unfortunately there are many who think the rules apply to everyone except them. If I ever see you on your scooter I'll be sure to wave!

[73Goat]

Traversing machine gun emplacements every 50 yards comes to mind.

You'd have to couple that with a motion detecting targeting system.

[73Goat]

I think this is a golfing community, or so stated. They have horse communities.
I just want everyone to understand, TV funding is us.
I do love dogs!

Are there 'Dog Communities'?

[skyguy79]

:BigApplause:
Thank you, Skyguy, for understanding and abiding by the rules. Unfortunately there are many who think the rules apply to everyone except them. If I ever see you on your scooter I'll be sure to wave!You're welcome! BTW, since my scooters are equipped with front and rear lights, I'd consider sneeking on the paths when it's dark except for one thing... You never know if there might be a visually imparred foursome playing with beeping balls! :1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

You're welcome! BTW, since my scooters are equipped with front and rear lights, I'd consider sneeking on the paths when it's dark except for one thing... You never know if there might be a visually imparred foursome playing with beeping balls! :1rotfl:

Or...............a slumbering alligator.

[73Goat]

I love dogs. I love cats. Heck, I love critters. However, I don't love cleaning up after a dog that isn't mine. This used to be a major problem in one house in California. After cleaning up after the same dog for well over a month and talks to the owner were a waste of my breath, I got mean!

I patiently sat in my front yard with a water hose turned on (but not spraying). The second the dog stopped to leave me his present, I sprayed him. Three nights of this and that dog would circle around my house.

It's not the most fun thing to do, but it does work and if the owners don't like it, I'd suggest to them they walk their dog somewhere other than on a golf course. Maybe you can get a neighborhood brigade to do this. Poor dog will never want to walk in your direction again.

It really is a shame that some people just can't be responsible. It shouldn't be our job to get them to do what is right, but it frequently is.

LOL, well I admit that at my house in Virginia I had a neighbor who would let his dog (and it was a big dog) dump in my front yard and not clean it (even though we have strict 'clean up after you animal' laws). One day I had enough and scooped up the leavings in a shovel and followed him back to his house and dumped the 'present' in his yard. He stopped letting his dog dump in my yard after that.

I love dogs and have one (a Bichon Frise < 15lbs) that will be residing with us when we move to TV permanently in about 2 years. We are meticulous about cleaning up his messes on walks even carrying a water bottle to dilute the liquid portion.

[skyguy79]

Or...............a slumbering alligator.I think this is her!

http://th866.photobucket.com/albums/ab224/bigclootie/th_Alligator_2.gif

[Barefoot]

Walking a dog on the golf course makes as much sense as playing golf at the dog park.

[tudacee]

Whenever we take Romeo out for his walks, I carry at least 3 empty bags....just in case. Well, he has NEVER had to p--p during the walks, and bags come back unused (I think they are now two years old...the bags, I mean).

I just know that little sucker is just WAITING for the day I forget to bring the bags with me!!!!!!! Then all of a sudden, I'll be the pariah in TV for having the dog who left the BIGGEST deposit in TV history on someone's lawn!!!!
:boom:

[skyguy79]

Walking a dog on the golf course makes as much sense as playing golf at the dog park. Right! If they belonged on a golf course you'd have seen Callaway, MacGregor, Taylormade, Nike and other companies make little golf clubs and club sets for them! :1rotfl:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uav4CxdH5bI/TTMzMt1ZTHI/AAAAAAAACpA/1cTzB60nRnY/S175/dog_playing_golf_2.jpg

[K9-Lovers]

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk116/alanap98/dog-gone-golfers-Photographic-Print.jpg

[rubicon]

Droppings found on my property I thought belonged to a wild animal until I spotted a dog running free on the golf course. I called the district and you know where that call went. One poster suggested speaking to the owner. The first problem would be identifying the dogs owner. The second, I am afraid is that any owner who will let his/her dog run in TV knows its wrong and doesn't care. A neighbor in MN who his dog roam and his dog liked my grass better than his. And no matter what I did or who I called the dog never was leashed. So I spent many years shoveling and dumping on his steps to no avail and the last day before I moved this guy comes over and laments that it was too bad we didn't get to know one another better????????????:boom:

[Alien]

WOW - this certainly is getting lots of comment. Just a wannabe and looking at homes online for a couple of years and reading TOTV, but all these folks who have a serious dislike of dogs makes me think I should not give consideration to the Villages. Some of the comments are unbelievable.

I have a wonderful labrador that goes everywhere with my wife and I -sounds like we would make half of the residents of the Villages mad everytime we would step out out our door.

For me, anyplace that doesn't love dogs cannot be paradise. Glad I read this post before giving serious consideration to a purchase.

[K9-Lovers]

WOW - this certainly is getting lots of comment. Just a wannabe and looking at homes online for a couple of years and reading TOTV, but all these folks who have a serious dislike of dogs makes me think I should not give consideration to the Villages. Some of the comments are unbelievable.

I have a wonderful labrador that goes everywhere with my wife and I -sounds like we would make half of the residents of the Villages mad everytime we would step out out our door.

For me, anyplace that doesn't love dogs cannot be paradise. Glad I read this post before giving serious consideration to a purchase.


Don't worry about these dog "haters" at all. It is not dogs that they hate, it is the people who let the dogs run loose! All dogs must be leashed in The Villages. So when dogs run loose and leave little/big droppings along the way, it is not appreciated, and that's what everyone is complaining about.

Just like any place on earth, there are some folks who don't like animals, or are afraid of animals. But here in The Villages, the majority of people are animal and dog LOVERS! So, please don't let these complaints sway your decision. Come for a visit with your dogs and you will see for yourself that this place is paradise for all of us dog lovers.

[skyguy79]

Don't worry about these dog "haters" at all. It is not dogs that they hate, it is the people who let the dogs run loose! All dogs must be leashed in The Villages. So when dogs run loose and leave little/big droppings along the way, it is not appreciated, and that's what everyone is complaining about.

Just like any place on earth, there are some folks who don't like animals, or are afraid of animals. But here in The Villages, the majority of people are animal and dog LOVERS! So, please don't let these complaints sway your decision. Come for a visit with your dogs and you will see for yourself that this place is paradise for all of us dog lovers.http://www.njoe.com/forums/yeah.gif

[rubicon]

Alien, I hope your decision to move here is not based solely on who does or does not love your lab. I re-read the posts and what I heard residents saying is that they were upset with thoughtless neighbors . It could be becuase of the action or lack thereof concerning cleaning up after their dog or a vehicle that leaks oil all over the place......There are rules here and if a propsective buyer does not like rules then he/she is not going to like living here. The majority of people I have come in contact with are very obliging and considerate.:welcome:

[graciegirl]

Don't worry about these dog "haters" at all. It is not dogs that they hate, it is the people who let the dogs run loose! All dogs must be leashed in The Villages. So when dogs run loose and leave little/big droppings along the way, it is not appreciated, and that's what everyone is complaining about.

Just like any place on earth, there are some folks who don't like animals, or are afraid of animals. But here in The Villages, the majority of people are animal and dog LOVERS! So, please don't let these complaints sway your decision. Come for a visit with your dogs and you will see for yourself that this place is paradise for all of us dog lovers.

What she said.

(or HE said, I never know from post to post whether it is the girl K9lover or the boy)

And...you need to come here and form your own opinion.

But we do love dogs and we do like our rules...so come and see how nice we are.

I am smiling to myself about how pleased you are gonna be.

[Barefoot]

WOW - this certainly is getting lots of comment. Just a wannabe and looking at homes online for a couple of years and reading TOTV, but all these folks who have a serious dislike of dogs makes me think I should not give consideration to the Villages. Some of the comments are unbelievable. I have a wonderful labrador that goes everywhere with my wife and I -sounds like we would make half of the residents of the Villages mad everytime we would step out out our door.

For me, anyplace that doesn't love dogs cannot be paradise. Glad I read this post before giving serious consideration to a purchase.

Alien, I totally agree with you. Any place that doesn't love dogs cannot be a paradise. That is why TV is great! We bought in The Villages because they allow more than one dog, and they allow large dogs. Many retirement communities only allow one small dog. There are way more people here that love dogs than dislike them. And the dogs love riding in golf carts and going to the dog parks.

This is a very dog friendly community. Almost everyone I know loves animals, and many have multiple pets (with indoor cats, hard for people to complain.)
So have no fear, you can buy here without worries. For the most part, Village People love dogs. :thumbup:

[Bogie Shooter]

Time for a new thread......this one has been hijacked.

[jgbama]

WOW - this certainly is getting lots of comment. Just a wannabe and looking at homes online for a couple of years and reading TOTV, but all these folks who have a serious dislike of dogs makes me think I should not give consideration to the Villages. Some of the comments are unbelievable.

I have a wonderful labrador that goes everywhere with my wife and I -sounds like we would make half of the residents of the Villages mad everytime we would step out out our door.

For me, anyplace that doesn't love dogs cannot be paradise. Glad I read this post before giving serious consideration to a purchase.

You will find a number of threads get "lots of comments". Even though we won't be at TV for another 18 months or so, I know that my dogs will be welcomed, because we are responsible owners, keep our dogs under control and abide by the rules (every city has rules). As another post stated, don't judge TV by any angry posts here. You, and your lab, will be welcomed. It is always the few people who chose not to follow the well publicized rules that gets the majority upset. It is "paradise" because of well defined rules and the vast majority of the 79,000 residents who make it that way.

The permanent residents didn't adopt the term "frogs" to be cute. I too will only leave TV when I "crock"!!!:MOJE_whot:

Come join a beautiful, well maintained community of happy people from across America and a few foreign countries as well. It is truly a melting pot of people from all walks of life and all economic levels with only one goal - enjoy life to the fullest, make great friends and neighbors and who enjoy living in "DisneyWorld for Adults"!!:welcome:

[Alien]

I appreciate all the comments and I agree that responsible dog owners are normally welcome anywhere. I'm sure there are lots of great people in the Villages, even if they don't like dogs!

Our labrador Holly loves to run and catch frisbies. We do this at least twice each day and it does me as much good to watch her as it does to satisfy her need to retrieve.

Given the small lot sizes, where would Holly and I go to throw the frisby? Are there any dog areas where they can be off leash for exercise?

Thanks in advance!

(By the way Gracie, we are from Middletown)

[schotzyb]

Several dog parks inside The Villages and one in particular just outside The Villages that I use on a daily basis. It is Doggie Doo Run and the cost is $25 per month for one dog. Large park with separated areas for small dogs and for large dogs. Lots of shaded areas to sit while your dog plays. Leash only needed to get in the park. The dogs can run free once inside the fenced in areas

[TednRobin]

Anyone have any pics of Dogie Doo Run? I've never seen it. Or can you give an address so I can Google it.

[Barefoot]

Several dog parks inside The Villages and one in particular just outside The Villages that I use on a daily basis. It is Doggie Doo Run and the cost is $25 per month for one dog. Large park with separated areas for small dogs and for large dogs. Lots of shaded areas to sit while your dog plays. Leash only needed to get in the park. The dogs can run free once inside the fenced in areas

I see Schotzyb and Tal at Doggie Doo Run Run all the time! We also use DDRR daily for our 70 lb dog and our 11 lb dog. We pay $30 per month for two dogs! It is a fabulous dog park, at least 10 fenced acres. Your dog can romp and play and catch frisbees. You can get exercise or sit in a hanging swing under a tree and watch the world go by. Or talk to all the other wonderful dog owners.

[senior citizen]

We are animal lovers, but when people walk their dogs on the golf course at night...unleashed...to eliminate on the course or in our yards, we get angry...not at the dogs...at the owners. We live on a golf course and we'd love to go out and chip and putt at night, but it's not allowed...neither is walking the courses...neither are unleashed dogs. The Daily Sun has put reminders that walking is not allowed on golf courses, but they put these reminders in the golf section...most of these people probably aren't golfers. We've even had bicycles and motorcycles drive by our lanai. Any suggestions on how to remedy this problem.

We realize this is a few years old message, however, when we did the search this morning to check whether or not "just average evening strollers" are allowed to walk on the golf courses, meaning the golf cart path...or whatever, it brought us to this thread..........we totally can understand the folks not wanting to have strange dogs "going" near their homes which back up to the golf courses , nor golfers having to deal with it on the courses, but our question is:

Since we will be renting a home on a golf course, are we allowed to walk in back of the home? Is it really true that no one can walk on the golf course....not even the edge of it? We are non golfers. No dogs.
Thanks for any advice out there.

[bkcunningham1]

Walking on the golf course can be very dangerous. I know it looks and seems like a nice place to walk, but a golf ball or golf cart can cause serious injury. Not only that, but it is distracting to the golfers. If you mean walking at night after the course has closed, I don't think that is allowed either. It is like going into a business after the doors have been locked. I personally don't see anything wrong with walking on the cart path after hours. I hope someone tells me if it is an official rule that the cart paths are off-limits to pedesterian traffic. My husband said it is trespassing.

[chuckster]

There is a booklet at the pro shops titled "good golf guide". Good to read especially inside back flap where it mentions "no jogging, walking, biking, fishing on courses" and "pets not permitted on course". Also a wealth of info related to good golf practices, allowable clothing, etc. A must read for new golfers.:read:

Hope this helps..........

[senior citizen]

Walking on the golf course can be very dangerous. I know it looks and seems like a nice place to walk, but a golf ball or golf cart can cause serious injury. Not only that, but it is distracting to the golfers. If you mean walking at night after the course has closed, I don't think that is allowed either. It is like going into a business after the doors have been locked. I personally don't see anything wrong with walking on the cart path after hours. I hope someone tells me if it is an official rule that the cart paths are off-limits to pedesterian traffic. My husband said it is trespassing.

Thank you. We understand. Makes perfect sense.

[senior citizen]

There is a booklet at the pro shops titled "good golf guide". Good to read especially inside back flap where it mentions "no jogging, walking, biking, fishing on courses" and "pets not permitted on course". Also a wealth of info related to good golf practices, allowable clothing, etc. A must read for new golfers.:read:

Hope this helps..........

Thank you....we were just wondering. Appreciate it.

This way, in the future, if we did choose to buy on a golf course, after renting on one, we'd know to warn any visiting grandchildren "in advance" that it's off limits. I can empathize with the homeowners sitting on their lanais not wanting strangers walking by day and night.

[bruiser]

The dog waste problem is OUT-A HAND IMO, I own a home on a corner lot and am beginning to think I provide this "extra grass" as a special place for dogs to relieve themselves, this hasn't been a big issue until recently, whilst trimming my saga palm and down on my knees, I noticed a "all to familiar smell"............appears this particular dog had diarehea (spelling?), needless to say, the waste was impossible to pick up with the ole plastic bag, so the dog owner decided to leave me a little surprise, I can't remember being this mad for a long, long time. SOOOOOOO, all you DOG OWNERS. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE..........if your dog is in special need and has a digestive problem, take him/ her to a dog park, postal station, golf course or anywhere except MY YARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[annacooper]

This is certain, we dont need dogs on the course. We could use some more water thats for certain. This rain has been great!!!

[JenAjd]

My "other half" is an avid golfer and he hasn't mentioned the dog issue on the courses BUT he does say there are "SOME" (emphasis on some) that really don't know golf ediquette.

That being said...I'd like to ask what about the folks who walk their dogs at the mailboxes and rec areas??? We've seen folks cart their animals up and take them specifically to the grassy areas and leave once they've done their business. THAT doesn't seem right neither!!!

[robertj1954]

You certainly DO NOT want to be within 200 yrds of any fairway when I am addressing a golf ball! Just saying... :smiley:

[Uptown Girl]

I must be living in LaLa land because in the 6 months we've lived here, I have never seen a dog off leash! Well for my 2 cents worth, I don't golf, I don't swim, and I LOVE doggies!
(Even though I do not have one at the moment!) I think Bare and Susan have great ideas. I would love to see a some kind of dog park in every community. We have a pool and rec center in every community. Back in Illinois, my daughter was years out of school and we still payed taxes to have the best schools around. I don't see the difference. If there is a small fee, I don't think Dog Lovers would complain. But, I do think the Developer should provide it. Dogs are family members and should be treated as such. This is indeed a Dog Lover Community and I really don't get why the Developer didn't allow for this. I think it would solve everyone's problem, even mine. Not owning a dog yet (long story) I would love to walk down to a neighborhood dog park and enjoy all the doggy energy going on. I vote for Dog Parks! :bigthumbsup:
They bring joy and love to all. http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/puppykisses.gif (http://www.millan.net)

I LOVE your smiley face/ puppy kisses mimimation!! I would be happy to see some doggie areas!

[skyc6]

LOL! (in with the buffalo!)

[GeorgeT]

Oh.........so this is where those brown golf balls I've been finding come from!

[BETHPAGE BLACK]

Walking a dog on the golf course makes as much sense as playing golf at the dog park.
:BigApplause:
Perfect observaton Barefoot..Love it!!!
I personally love my dog and love golf and have respect for both...

[73Goat]

I love dogs. I love cats. Heck, I love critters. However, I don't love cleaning up after a dog that isn't mine. This used to be a major problem in one house in California. After cleaning up after the same dog for well over a month and talks to the owner were a waste of my breath, I got mean!

I patiently sat in my front yard with a water hose turned on (but not spraying). The second the dog stopped to leave me his present, I sprayed him. Three nights of this and that dog would circle around my house.

It's not the most fun thing to do, but it does work and if the owners don't like it, I'd suggest to them they walk their dog somewhere other than on a golf course. Maybe you can get a neighborhood brigade to do this. Poor dog will never want to walk in your direction again.

It really is a shame that some people just can't be responsible. It shouldn't be our job to get them to do what is right, but it frequently is.



Hi, this is 73Goat's wife. This is the first post I've written, so I'm probably entering my post incorrectly. Anyway, we just bought a beautiful home in Pennecamp and we're very excited about becoming full time villagers; however, now I'm really worried. We have a 4yr. old Binchon that we love to take on walks in the morning and the evening. It's a habit that my husband and I look forward to everyday. This gives us a teasured time to exercise and talk with each other.
I'm confused, where can you walk your dog in the villages? In our Virginia home community, we have a beautifully landscaped piece of neighborhood property across our neigberhood steet where all our neighbors walk their dogs. All the dogs are leashed and everyone uses a bag to pick up he doggie poop, but we all freely let our dogs pee on the landscaping since it is not on anyone's lot.

I can't remember if there is a strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street in the villages. If so, that does not belong to the homeowner. Is everyone saying a dog cannot pee on this strip of land? Is there anywhere in the villages that my husband and I can walk..even without the dog...I mean a beautiful landscaped walking trail? Walking on pavement for half a mile is not good for our joints.

If we walk our dog in the neighborhood will we meet with hostility and suspicion even if he did all his business at home?

[downeaster]

Hi, this is 73Goat's wife. This is the first post I've written, so I'm probably entering my post incorrectly. Anyway, we just bought a beautiful home in Pennecamp and we're very excited about becoming full time villagers; however, now I'm really worried. We have a 4yr. old Binchon that we love to take on walks in the morning and the evening. It's a habit that my husband and I look forward to everyday. This gives us a teasured time to exercise and talk with each other.
I'm confused, where can you walk your dog in the villages? In our Virginia home community, we have a beautifully landscaped piece of neighborhood property across our neigberhood steet where all our neighbors walk their dogs. All the dogs are leashed and everyone uses a bag to pick up he doggie poop, but we all freely let our dogs pee on the landscaping since it is not on anyone's lot.

I can't remember if there is a strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street in the villages. If so, that does not belong to the homeowner. Is everyone saying a dog cannot pee on this strip of land? Is there anywhere in the villages that my husband and I can walk..even without the dog...I mean a beautiful landscaped walking trail? Walking on pavement for half a mile is not good for our joints.

If we walk our dog in the neighborhood will we meet with hostility and suspicion even if he did all his business at home?

I am not currently a dog owner. However, I have a neighbor who has two small dogs. She walks them around her house and yard until they have "done their business" and then a walk around the block. No one is hostile towards her. In fact, she is admired as a responsible dog owner.

[73Goat]

Downeaster,
Thanks for the reply! We're planning a birdcage with some very nice landscaping inside the enclosed area, so that should also help.

[angiefox10]

Maybe I'm wrong... but I don't think the problem is the walking the dogs on the course.... as much as them being unleashed and the owners not picking up after them.


Or... did I misunderstand the thread?

[Skybo]

Angie: Dogs are not allowed on the golf courses at any time, even if they are on leash.

Goat73’s Wife: You are allowed to walk your dog on any of the “common” or "public" areas. Those would include the streets, the sidewalks, the strips of grass next to sidewalks that you were talking about and the grassy areas around the pools/rec centers/mailbox areas. As long as you don’t let your dog get onto a homeowner’s lot, you will be fine.

My dogs do their business at home too, but even so, I don’t let them wander onto the property of others during our walks. In most cases, all they want to do is sniff around, but I still won’t let them do it. To me, it is trespassing, no more acceptable than a person walking on someone’s else’s lawn. This can make it difficult to walk them during the hot months, because the street is too hot for their paws if they can’t hop onto grass every so often. During those times, I load them into the golf cart and take them somewhere with shade and/or grassy “common” areas. I think they like the golf cart ride as much, if not more than the walk.

[downeaster]

Maybe I'm wrong... but I don't think the problem is the walking the dogs on the course.... as much as them being unleashed and the owners not picking up after them.


Or... did I misunderstand the thread?

Angie, the original post dealt with the safety of walking dogs on golf courses. It then segued into being unleashed, not picking up, etc. They are all valid points and we would hope they will be heeded by dog owners.

I personally agree with you. I don't care where dog owners walk their dogs but they should be leashed, kept off residents' property and preferably do their business on their own property. If they have an "accident" on public or golf course property the resulting deposit should be picked up, bagged and taken home for disposal.

Unfortunately there many dog owners who do not agree with me.

[villagegolfer]

Angie: Dogs are not allowed on the golf courses at any time, even if they are on leash.

Goat73’s Wife: You are allowed to walk your dog on any of the “common” or "public" areas. Those would include the streets, the sidewalks, the strips of grass next to sidewalks that you were talking about and the grassy areas around the pools/rec centers/mailbox areas. As long as you don’t let your dog get onto a homeowner’s lot, you will be fine.

My dogs do their business at home too, but even so, I don’t let them wander onto the property of others during our walks. In most cases, all they want to do is sniff around, but I still won’t let them do it. To me, it is trespassing, no more acceptable than a person walking on someone’s else’s lawn. This can make it difficult to walk them during the hot months, because the street is too hot for their paws if they can’t hop onto grass every so often. During those times, I load them into the golf cart and take them somewhere with shade and/or grassy “common” areas. I think they like the golf cart ride as much, if not more than the walk.

I believe I have read that rule more then once. People pay big bucks for those views and it should be respected.

[Barefoot]

Angie, the original post dealt with the safety of walking dogs on golf courses. It then segued into being unleashed, not picking up, etc. They are all valid points and we would hope they will be heeded by dog owners.

I personally agree with you. I don't care where dog owners walk their dogs but they should be leashed, kept off residents' property and preferably do their business on their own property. If they have an "accident" on public or golf course property the resulting deposit should be picked up, bagged and taken home for disposal.

Unfortunately there many dog owners who do not agree with me.

I betcha most dog owners do agree with you. I highly recommend Dog Parks. A good way to exercise your pet among fellow dog lovers!