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swimdawg
12-07-2014, 11:02 AM
For those of you interested in an indoor pool, please put this Wednesday, December 10th on your calendar. There will be a meeting of the Amenity Authority Committee and one of the items on the agenda will be INDOOR pools in TV.

The meeting will be held Wednesday, Dec. 10 at 9 AM at Savannah Center (1545 Buena Vista Blvd) in the Ashley-Wilkes Room. I STRONGLY URGE ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN INDOOR POOLS TO ATTEND.

This thread is not about causing controversy. We know all the pros and cons. This is just an informative thread for those who might want indoor pools in this wonderful place we live in. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Hope to see you there! Thank you.

Karen

njbchbum
12-07-2014, 11:28 AM
Karen - Do you know if anyone has prepared a presentation to the AAC re how to combat the 'cons' of the desired indoor pools?

billethkid
12-07-2014, 11:31 AM
and think seriously about whether you would be willing to accept a surcharge on your amenity fees and or an admission or indoor pool membership to help pay for the indoor pool.

Of course those of us who do not want to use or need the facility would not be charged anything.

The money has to come from some where.....right?

gomoho
12-07-2014, 11:40 AM
Here we go.

janmcn
12-07-2014, 11:44 AM
Karen - Do you know if anyone has prepared a presentation to the AAC re how to combat the 'cons' of the desired indoor pools?

Carl Bell, of the AAC, is the one pushing for this. An unscientific poll on the on-line news is practically tied in support and non support. Bell would probably have the information you're looking for.

billethkid
12-07-2014, 11:48 AM
everyone who is pro must remember that a significant con is the cost.

A great leveler for all who are in favor is to see if they are willing to support the program finacially.

There is only so much money in the current and future budgets. And there certainly is no need for the developer to consider doing it at this stage of completion of TV.

There is only so much money in the pot!!!

janmcn
12-07-2014, 11:57 AM
everyone who is pro must remember that a significant con is the cost.

A great leveler for all who are in favor is to see if they are willing to support the program finacially.

There is only so much money in the current and future budgets. And there certainly is no need for the developer to consider doing it at this stage of completion of TV.

There is only so much money in the pot!!!

The AAC is only spending money left over from the lawsuit, and people living south of CR466 are not involved in the AAC in anyway.

Love2Swim
12-07-2014, 12:11 PM
Thanks for the heads up Swim Dawg. I expect there are quite a few people that wouldn't mind spending money on a monthly or annual basis to have use of an indoor pool. Its really tough on lap swimmers in the summer. The outdoor pool water is in excess of 90 degrees as is the air temperature. And many people our age have skin cancer issues and need to be out of the sun. I always found it odd that an indoor pool is not being provided. The Villages put a lot of money into the Villages Wood Working shop, for example, and the members pay an annual fee to belong and to pay maintenance/upkeep. This would be a similar situation.

wudda1955
12-07-2014, 01:25 PM
Thank you for sharing the information, Swimdawg. It's greatly appreciated.

kittygilchrist
12-07-2014, 01:41 PM
Swimdawg, you represent a lot of us who like it!

Bogie Shooter
12-07-2014, 01:49 PM
The AAC is only spending money left over from the lawsuit, and people living south of CR466 are not involved in the AAC in anyway.

Will they be barred from using a new indoor pool??

janmcn
12-07-2014, 02:12 PM
Will they be barred from using a new indoor pool??

Attend the meeting on Dec 10 and find out.

villagetinker
12-07-2014, 02:54 PM
All, while I have no interest in this project, one other item that the people who go to the meeting should consider and discuss. There may need to be a LIMIT on the number of people that can be using the facility at any given time, and there may need to be a limit on the number of memberships available. Look at a very successful health club, they can only support a certain number of people in the building at any given time, however, I am sure they have more members then pieces of equipment. And look at the airline industry where they tend to overbook.
This is my only comment, and I am making this so that the interested parties think about these items before any decisions are made.
I wish all good luck with the project, I have my own village pool and my own hot tub, is the lanai, so I also most have an enclosed pool.

Barefoot
12-07-2014, 03:04 PM
I expect there are quite a few people that wouldn't mind spending money on a monthly or annual basis to have use of an indoor pool.

There was a large INDOOR pool in the Sharon Morse Building in the area used by Lake Rehab. I don't know who owns the building or the pool.
It wasn't used for a couple of years (I saw it sitting unused with my own eyes in 2011 and again in 2012).
I heard the plan was to fill it in and put a cafeteria in that area. I don't know if that has been done.
I heard that they couldn't garner enough people willing to spend money on an indoor pool on an annual basis.
I have no idea if that is true, there may have been "political" reasons behind the pool not being used.
This is Hearsay from building employees, not fact.

sunnyatlast
12-07-2014, 03:23 PM
A couple of key points to consider:

An indoor pool facility should be by membership fee, and it should be for lap swimming and fitness.

Sport pool time is what is needed in both winter and summer, under cover and temp controlled. Many of us have to avoid the daytime sun, but the early darkness now thru March drastically cuts short the sport pool lap swimming hours available when classes end at 3pm.

And as noted above, the summer sun heats the water to almost 90, making almost instant heat exhaustion for lap or fitness swimmers.

As we pay greens fees to play the championship golf courses--whose operational costs are far beyond an indoor pool--people should be able to understand paying to use an indoor pool, too.

Bogie Shooter
12-07-2014, 03:40 PM
Attend the meeting on Dec 10 and find out.

I will wait for the minutes to be published.

justjim
12-07-2014, 04:43 PM
Will they be barred from using a new indoor pool??

To answer your question regarding barring those south of 466---that would be unprecedented in TV. So, NO. However, there are several interesting issues regarding a possible indoor pool. (1). Are you going to build it new from scratch? If so, where? (2) Would you retrofit a current pool which could upset a village neighborhood? (3) Would you charge a membership fee? (4). What is the possibility of reaching out to the private sector to build such a facility?

Uptown Girl
12-07-2014, 07:21 PM
I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are…. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum…. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?
:confused:

njbchbum
12-07-2014, 07:43 PM
Thank you, Uptown Girl! :)

tommy steam
12-07-2014, 07:48 PM
This is a huge expense to build and maintain ,for a limited amount of people.

kcrazorbackfan
12-07-2014, 07:54 PM
and think seriously about whether you would be willing to accept a surcharge on your amenity fees and or an admission or indoor pool membership to help pay for the indoor pool.

Of course those of us who do not want to use or need the facility would not be charged anything.

The money has to come from some where.....right?

This is easy - charge two fees to use it, a higher fee for people that do not want a priority swim membership and a lower fee for people that will pay for a priority swim membership, just like the serious golfers have to do to play the championship courses at reduced rates. And, here is the kicker, enough of the priority memberships need to be sold to make a SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION in the cost of the facility. Bang.

downeaster
12-07-2014, 08:21 PM
I think there is no question about the popularity of the idea of an indoor pool. The question I have, and I have heard it expressed here, is who is going to fund it? We have 100,000 plus people here now. Can one pool accommodate all of us?

Maybe they are planning something along the same plan as the The Villages Wood Shop. Members pay an "initiation" fee plus pay an annual membership fee. I am not sure how this works now but I was a member for some time but stopped renewing my membership as it was getting so crowded it became of little use to me. I am not sure if it is self sustaining.

Billethekid and Uptown Girl make some very valid points.

downeaster
12-07-2014, 08:36 PM
This is easy - charge two fees to use it, a higher fee for people that do not want a priority swim membership and a lower fee for people that will pay for a priority swim membership, just like the serious golfers have to do to play the championship courses at reduced rates. And, here is the kicker, enough of the priority memberships need to be sold to make a SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION in the cost of the facility. Bang.

The championship golf courses are privately owned and are not funded by our amenity fees.

If a privately owned company wished to build an indoor pool here I believe they are free to do so. They would have to obtain space and construct the facility (the same as the CDD). There is space available but I don't believe anyone in the private sector has decided to make such an investment.

Halibut
12-07-2014, 08:50 PM
I say, just erect shades (http://www.shermanswim.com/swimPictures/Fac%20View%20from%20Shade%20Struc.JPG) for the existing sports pools. Sunbrellas for all! ;)

CFrance
12-07-2014, 11:19 PM
I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are�. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum�. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?
:confused:
I can only comment on one of your items. At the indoor pools I have used in the past, the lanes accommodated more than one swimmer. There were usually two going in opposite directions in the lane, plus a line of swimmers who somehow paced themselves not to run into each other.

Uptown Girl
12-08-2014, 08:11 AM
I can only comment on one of your items. At the indoor pools I have used in the past, the lanes accommodated more than one swimmer. There were usually two going in opposite directions in the lane, plus a line of swimmers who somehow paced themselves not to run into each other.

Ahh� rather like synchronized lap swimming� I have never seen that!

Do you recall if the lanes at that pool were wider than 6 ft?

swimdawg
12-08-2014, 08:30 AM
Karen - Do you know if anyone has prepared a presentation to the AAC re how to combat the 'cons' of the desired indoor pools?

Yes, Carl Bell of the AAC will present a plan.

njbchbum
12-08-2014, 08:42 AM
Yes, Carl Bell of the AAC will present a plan.

Thanx for the reply. I hope the event is well covered and reported so that those of us still off-campus will be made aware and informed. AAC minutes can sometimes be quite abbreviated.

CFrance
12-08-2014, 08:48 AM
Ahh� rather like synchronized lap swimming� I have never seen that!

Do you recall if the lanes at that pool were wider than 6 ft?
I would estimate that they were not. In the last pool (LA Fitness in Pennsylvania), I believe there were four lanes. We would help push lane lines over to the sides to be lifted out before our aerobics class.

swimdawg
12-08-2014, 08:53 AM
Swimdawg, you represent a lot of us who like it!

I have received an outpouring of pm's and emails from people who support the indoor pool concept. Unfortunately, many are out of town because of the holidays. I urge anyone who is interested and in town to attend the meeting.

The pros and cons have been hashed and rehashed on this forum. I could go on and on and on about the pros....but "been there, done that". That's why I wrote that this thread is not about causing controversy.

Hope to see you at the meeting on Wednesday at 9 AM- Savannah Center.

Challenger
12-08-2014, 08:57 AM
There is a clear reason why indoor swim facilities are scarce--- They are extreemely expensive and maintenance hogs. They are most prevalent in areas where the costs are spread accross the entire city, county, or state tax base or are provided by 501c3 or other charity organizations.
Im not confident that it could be supported by user fees even if the "Developer" constructed it and gave it to the 'Community"

Let's see the "full in" numbers.

swimdawg
12-09-2014, 07:49 AM
For those of you interested in an indoor pool, please put this Wednesday, December 10th on your calendar. There will be a meeting of the Amenity Authority Committee and one of the items on the agenda will be INDOOR pools in TV.

The meeting will be held Wednesday, Dec. 10 at 9 AM at Savannah Center (1545 Buena Vista Blvd) in the Ashley-Wilkes Room. I STRONGLY URGE ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN INDOOR POOLS TO ATTEND.

This thread is not about causing controversy. We know all the pros and cons. This is just an informative thread for those who might want indoor pools in this wonderful place we live in. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Hope to see you there! Thank you.

Karen

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TVMayor
12-09-2014, 08:22 AM
If the pools are to be enclosed and airconditioned out of concern for health reasons having to do with the sun would not logic dictate the golfers, pickleball and tennis players need AC enclosures also? Could it be people that do not want to be in the sun have moved to FL by mistake? If a person wants to ice fish, they should not move to FL or if its to hot to go in the pool in FL in the summer you should be a snowbird or move to Stonecrest (indoor pool).

Love2Swim
12-09-2014, 09:23 AM
Where is all this hate coming from? Someone posts a meeting notice about indoor pools, and people are being told if they don't like it here they should move to Stonecrest. Shame on you!

I'm sure the Villages, in their great wisdom, will weigh in on all the data, and make the right decision. For those of you interested in an indoor pool, such as the lap swimmers, the many water volleyball teams, the Villages Swim team, water aerobics classes and so on, please come to the meeting and voice your opinions.

Love2Swim
12-09-2014, 09:32 AM
I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are�. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum�. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?
:confused:

Other public pools I've gone to have lanes wide enough to accommodate circle swimming. You might have 5 or 6 people swimming at the same time in the lane, in a circle so to speak. Its generally first come, first serve. Depending on the size of the pool there may be 8-10 lanes, so there is usually little to no waiting for a lane.

Someone else mentioned pool (sun) covers. Personally, I think that might accomplish the same thing, if used along with water chillers, and may be less expensive, if used over an existing pool. But, I would imagine the costs would be borne by Villages residents, whereas a new indoor pool could charge membership fees which would not impact the residents.

TVMayor
12-09-2014, 10:04 AM
Other public pools I've gone to have lanes wide enough to accommodate circle swimming. You might have 5 or 6 people swimming at the same time in the lane, in a circle so to speak. Its generally first come, first serve. Depending on the size of the pool there may be 8-10 lanes, so there is usually little to no waiting for a lane.

Someone else mentioned pool (sun) covers. Personally, I think that might accomplish the same thing, if used along with water chillers, and may be less expensive, if used over an existing pool. But, I would imagine the costs would be borne by Villages residents, whereas a new indoor pool could charge membership fees which would not impact the residents.
Before the membership fees, paying for the structure and the land would be necessary. Who would pay for that? If it was a private business why would the CDD be involved? The CDD does not deal in commercial property.

CFrance
12-09-2014, 10:09 AM
If the pools are to be enclosed and airconditioned out of concern for health reasons having to do with the sun would not logic dictate the golfers, pickleball and tennis players need AC enclosures also? Could it be people that do not want to be in the sun have moved to FL by mistake? If a person wants to ice fish, they should not move to FL or if its to hot to go in the pool in FL in the summer you should be a snowbird or move to Stonecrest (indoor pool).
Those folks have more clothes on, and the sunblock they use does not wash off. Indoor pools are all-weather, and they are not rare.

TVMayor
12-09-2014, 10:15 AM
Those folks have more clothes on, and the sunblock they use does not wash off. Indoor pools are all-weather, and they are not rare.

If they have more clothes on they would have a greater need for AC than the people in the pool.

CFrance
12-09-2014, 10:17 AM
I think that reasoning is obtuse. Maybe even specious.

Sparty6971
12-09-2014, 09:29 PM
Well tomorrow (Wed, 10 Dec) is the meeting which will include talk (maybe) about this topic. Info in another site says the desired location is where the El Santiago pool is now because there is a large parking lot which could become home to the facility. Hmmmmm How many pools are available up this part of TV now? Darned few... Let's not get rid of one for I suspect a small number of folks to be indoors all year. Oh and let's not forget the new Santiago Rec Center will be built there soon - so much for all that parking space. Not needed... NOT the right location if someone really wants it.

Uptown Girl
12-10-2014, 06:20 AM
I googled this- thought I would share it for those who might be curious, as I was:

Lap Swim Etiquette-

In Which Lane Should I Swim?
Observe speed signage as well as the swimmers in the lanes before choosing a lane to swim in. Choose the lane with a speed that you realistically plan to swim at for the entirety of your workout.

Circle Swimming?
Circle swimming is observed within the lanes. Please swim counter-clockwise, around the black lines at the bottom of the pool.

When Should I Push Off The Wall?
Slower swimmers in a lane should wait to push off the wall until faster swimmers have passed. Faster swimmers in a lane should wait to push off the wall until slower swimmers have ample pool length to prevent having to pass.

How Does Passing/Being Passed Work?
When passing another swimmer be sure you have adequate forward space to do so, alert the person in front of you when possible (gentle tap on the foot usually works), and then pass. Do not attempt to pass another swimmer in the last 15 meters of a length. When being passed do not speed up.

Different Strokes?
Those doing faster strokes in a lane should go ahead of those doing slower strokes (breaststroke, kicking, stroke drills).

What Happens At The Wall?
Swimmers resting or waiting their turn at the wall should stay far to either corner of the lane (approaching swimmer�s left preferred). When the wall is crowded swimmers may need to rest away from the wall along either side of the lane as close to the lane line as possible.

mulligan
12-10-2014, 07:18 AM
What does this have to do with a meeting to discuss indoor pools ?

swimdawg
12-10-2014, 07:22 AM
For those of you interested in an indoor pool, please put this Wednesday, December 10th on your calendar. There will be a meeting of the Amenity Authority Committee and one of the items on the agenda will be INDOOR pools in TV.

The meeting will be held Wednesday, Dec. 10 at 9 AM at Savannah Center (1545 Buena Vista Blvd) in the Ashley-Wilkes Room. I STRONGLY URGE ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN INDOOR POOLS TO ATTEND.

This thread is not about causing controversy. We know all the pros and cons. This is just an informative thread for those who might want indoor pools in this wonderful place we live in. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Hope to see you there! Thank you.

Karen

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Uptown Girl
12-10-2014, 07:47 AM
What does this have to do with a meeting to discuss indoor pools ?

Nothing.
In my earlier post, (within this thread) I wondered about the logistics of lanes usage and the maximum amount of swimmers one pool could accommodate on any given day.
My understanding was a lap pool could facilitate only one swimmer per lane.
When others posted that more than one could swim in a lane at the same time, I became curious as to how that is done and Googled it.
That's all.

Perhaps all lap swimmers are familiar (and comfortable) with this etiquette- are they?

billethkid
12-10-2014, 07:51 AM
Where is all this hate coming from? Someone posts a meeting notice about indoor pools, and people are being told if they don't like it here they should move to Stonecrest. Shame on you!

I'm sure the Villages, in their great wisdom, will weigh in on all the data, and make the right decision. For those of you interested in an indoor pool, such as the lap swimmers, the many water volleyball teams, the Villages Swim team, water aerobics classes and so on, please come to the meeting and voice your opinions.

I suggest there are better words than the ones highlighted in red above.
I for one have zero hate in any shape or form when I ask about cost, utilization, maintenance, where will the money come from, amenity fee increase potential, special fee based membership, etc.

My approach is to be sure we understand what it is we understand the financial implications SOME are endeavoring to create, that has potential to affect every resident of The Villages.

And yes there are some who have no interest in having an indoor pool and that too does not constitute hate in any way shape or form.

Before one sets out on a journey it sure would be nice to know where to, how long it will take, how much will it cost and can it be afforded. Repeating what I have asked previously....where is the funding both initial and ongoing coming from?

CFrance
12-10-2014, 08:20 AM
What does this have to do with a meeting to discuss indoor pools ?
It has a lot to do with answering the somewhat negative comments regarding how a single pool could only accommodate a very few lap swimmers.

Love2Swim
12-10-2014, 10:36 AM
I suggest there are better words than the ones highlighted in red above.
I for one have zero hate in any shape or form when I ask about cost, utilization, maintenance, where will the money come from, amenity fee increase potential, special fee based membership, etc.

My approach is to be sure we understand what it is we understand the financial implications SOME are endeavoring to create, that has potential to affect every resident of The Villages.

And yes there are some who have no interest in having an indoor pool and that too does not constitute hate in any way shape or form.

Before one sets out on a journey it sure would be nice to know where to, how long it will take, how much will it cost and can it be afforded. Repeating what I have asked previously....where is the funding both initial and ongoing coming from?

As you will re-read in the post, it is clear the word hateful did not apply to anyone's opinion on costs, or maintenance, etc., it referred to the comment about moving to Stonecrest. I rarely post on TOTV because of a common hateful remark people make when one voices their opinion. And that hateful remark is "if you don't like it here (the way things are) you can leave" or variations to that effect. I suggested a change once and someone said "don't let the door hit you on the way out." That was what occurred in the above post, essentially, "if you want an indoor pool, you can move to Stonecrest." I consider it hateful when people are derided for suggesting change might be good, or that there are ways to improve things in The Villages.

ecory
12-10-2014, 11:01 AM
An alternative could be a lap pool canopy on existing pools.

DigitalGranny
12-10-2014, 11:04 AM
I'm north for the holidays, but would sure be a proponent of a couple of indoor pools ( one north, one south?). I need the pool every day and am a bit concerned about swimming outdoors when I get back there in January.

kcrazorbackfan
12-10-2014, 11:16 AM
Nothing.
My understanding was a lap pool could facilitate only one swimmer per lane.
When others posted that more than one could swim in a lane at the same time, I became curious as to how that is done and Googled it.
That's all.

Perhaps all lap swimmers are familiar (and comfortable) with this etiquette- are they?

I sure would like to be there on opening day to watch how this is handled - I feel like there will be a lot of p**sed off people.

njbchbum
12-10-2014, 11:30 AM
I'm north for the holidays, but would sure be a proponent of a couple of indoor pools ( one north, one south?). I need the pool every day and am a bit concerned about swimming outdoors when I get back there in January.

How much would you be willing to pay for a premium membership to such a facility? Am just wondering what the indoor pool proponents think that amenity would be worth to them - since it would not be right to increase the amenity fee of those who do not want/need to use such a facility?

janmcn
12-10-2014, 11:35 AM
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Mudder
12-10-2014, 02:12 PM
I'm anxious to hear some comments on the meeting.

janmcn
12-10-2014, 03:24 PM
I'm anxious to hear some comments on the meeting.

There is a brief report on the on-line news site. Basically it says they will study the issue.

rubicon
12-10-2014, 04:53 PM
I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are�. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum�. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?
:confused:

uptown girl your uptown

rubicon
12-10-2014, 04:56 PM
There was a large INDOOR pool in the Sharon Morse Building in the area used by Lake Rehab. I don't know who owns the building or the pool.
It wasn't used for a couple of years (I saw it sitting unused with my own eyes in 2011 and again in 2012).
I heard the plan was to fill it in and put a cafeteria in that area. I don't know if that has been done.
I heard that they couldn't garner enough people willing to spend money on an indoor pool on an annual basis.
I have no idea if that is true, there may have been "political" reasons behind the pool not being used.
This is Hearsay from building employees, not fact.

Hi Barefoot. That pool was part of the Wellness Center and because of the high costs of care the Developer made it clear when he moved the facility to its present location today that an indoor pool would not be included

rubicon
12-10-2014, 05:02 PM
The AAC is only spending money left over from the lawsuit, and people living south of CR466 are not involved in the AAC in anyway.

Hi janmcn: and I for one am glad because the AAC decisions and spending habits to date have not been impressive. This indoor pool suggestions makes the point. I guess government spending by any other names is well government spending

Greg Nelson
12-11-2014, 04:51 AM
Newbee here! With these freezing temps I'm not going to put on my wet suit to do water aerobics. Del Webb's got a nice indoor pool, and they have whirlpools, steam rooms and saunas ...can't find them here! But even Del Webb, which we stayed at, their indoor pool was not overcrowded, BUT!! they claim to be only a third done with their development!

graciegirl
12-11-2014, 06:05 AM
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jebartle
12-11-2014, 06:59 AM
Is taking back previous indoor pool an option?????? Cost????

rubicon
12-11-2014, 07:29 AM
Like all government spending the cost of construction and operation costs will be understated to get the issue passed.

Like all amenities here there is going to be a scramble for use and one has to ask when will it stop? How many golf courses can we maintain before costs exceed benefit. Despite agreements that amenities fees can't be raised except for a 3% inflation factor the reality is that when push comes to shove....and it will our expenses here are going to go sky high in conjunction with the continuing depletion of our retirement savings.

Now I am sure someone is going to come forward with an accounting scenario to refute this. However that what government's CBO does on a daily basis and one has to ask, "How's that working out for you"?

Some residents north of 466 claim it is their business coming from the amenities lawsuit and has nothing to do with those south of 466.

However as time passes we find that irresponsible government (AAC) spending falls on all taxpayers ( residents) via increases in their taxes (amenity fees)

Given inflation wear and tear etc residents will have a big lift just maintaining our present facilities.

Again the Developer jettisoned the indoor pool because it was too expensive to maintain. If a multi-billionaire sees this as a liability rather than an asset then how does the AAC believe it should proceed with this albatross?

Bogie Shooter
12-11-2014, 07:40 AM
Newbee here! With these freezing temps I'm not going to put on my wet suit to do water aerobics. Del Webb's got a nice indoor pool, and they have whirlpools, steam rooms and saunas ...can't find them here! But even Del Webb, which we stayed at, their indoor pool was not overcrowded, BUT!! they claim to be only a third done with their development!

Do they have a blog??

Mudder
12-11-2014, 07:47 AM
The indoor pool is long gone. It is under the Speciality Care Center I believe.

Love2Swim
12-11-2014, 07:55 AM
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Again the Developer jettisoned the indoor pool because it was too expensive to maintain. If a multi-billionaire sees this as a liability rather than an asset then how does the AAC believe it should proceed with this albatross?

I question if that is really the reason they did away with the indoor pool. Why would an indoor pool be more expensive to maintain than any other pool? Its all about maintaining the level of chemicals and keeping the pumps and filters running. If anything it would be easier. The pumps and filters are inside in a temperature controlled environment and not subject to the temperature extremes that the outdoor pools encounter.

Is it possible they had a use for the space that the indoor pool occupied that would generate more income?

graciegirl
12-11-2014, 08:08 AM
[quote=Love2Swim;979418]I question if that is really the reason they did away with the indoor pool. Why would an indoor pool be more expensive to maintain than any other pool? Its all about maintaining the level of chemicals and keeping the pumps and filters running. If anything it would be easier. The pumps and filters are inside in a temperature controlled environment and not subject to the temperature extremes that the outdoor pools encounter.

Is it possible they had a use for the space that the indoor pool occupied that would generate more income?
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Or is it possible they discovered problems with maintenance that were difficult? The developers seem to have learned as they went along and improved things. Separating and widening cart paths. Building more pools, and rec centers. And they eliminated some things that weren't working well, perhaps?

http://ezinearticles.com/?Curing-Indoor-Pool-Water-Problems&id=3413145

http://aquamagazine.com/content/post/Indoor-Pools-Potential-Problems.aspx

http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/pools/irritants-indoor-pool-air-quality.html

Indoor Swimming Pools Create Unique Health Problems (http://www.sylvane.com/blog/indoor-swimming-pools-health/)

kcrazorbackfan
12-11-2014, 09:36 AM
[quote=Love2Swim;979418]I question if that is really the reason they did away with the indoor pool. Why would an indoor pool be more expensive to maintain than any other pool? Its all about maintaining the level of chemicals and keeping the pumps and filters running. If anything it would be easier. The pumps and filters are inside in a temperature controlled environment and not subject to the temperature extremes that the outdoor pools encounter.

Is it possible they had a use for the space that the indoor pool occupied that would generate more income?
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Or is it possible they discovered problems with maintenance that were difficult? The developers seem to have learned as they went along and improved things. Separating and widening cart paths. Building more pools, and rec centers. And they eliminated some things that weren't working well, perhaps?

Curing Indoor Pool Water Problems (http://ezinearticles.com/?Curing-Indoor-Pool-Water-Problems&id=3413145)

Indoor Pools, Potential Problems? (http://aquamagazine.com/content/post/Indoor-Pools-Potential-Problems.aspx)

CDC - Chemical Irritants (Chloramines) & Indoor Pool Air Quality - Healthy Swimming & Recreational Water - Healthy Water (http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/pools/irritants-indoor-pool-air-quality.html)

Indoor Swimming Pools Create Unique Health Problems (http://www.sylvane.com/blog/indoor-swimming-pools-health/)

Great points, GracieGirl.

Supporters of this idea, THIS. IS. FLORIDA. I could see it if you were in any other state north of the Gulf Coast, but seriously? You want to pay additional fees to support an indoor pool when you live in "The Sunshine State"? How about those of us that play golf in no matter what kind of weather? Can we call for an indoor course with multiple screens so we can play in perfect conditions? Again, THIS. IS. FLORIDA.

angiefox10
12-11-2014, 10:16 AM
I would probably never use an indoor pool... Heck.. I hardly use the outdoor pools. I don't play tennis nor do I play softball.. All are items that take money to maintain. Who else has a polo field in their community??? And yet, it is a sorce os pride for The Villages.

I've heard that the pools in The Villages are salt water... I don't know if that's true... If so, it would dispel the previous posts regarding indoor chlorine pools.

Without knowing the costs to the residents, I'm not sure how anyone can say yes or no.

I'm always happy to see when a new item is added to our community... The diversity in sports and activities is the reason we moved here. An indoor pool would be one more and I approve.

We are an older community and getting older. We have many people who could use greatly use an indoor pool.


If, as some have suggested it's not enough for the amount of people who will use. That just tells me... we NEED it, and we NEED more than one!

Why would I want to take something away from anyone just because I don't use it?

billethkid
12-11-2014, 11:02 AM
I question if that is really the reason they did away with the indoor pool. Why would an indoor pool be more expensive to maintain than any other pool? Its all about maintaining the level of chemicals and keeping the pumps and filters running. If anything it would be easier. The pumps and filters are inside in a temperature controlled environment and not subject to the temperature extremes that the outdoor pools encounter.

Is it possible they had a use for the space that the indoor pool occupied that would generate more income?

While I do not know for sure I suspect the motorized equipment will be kept outside for reasons of maintenance accessibility and noise. The pool will be generating a brackish ambiance that will affect all the structures interior over time. And the sun will affect the structures exterior. Both issues a function of enclosure.

Are the benefits being sought to be able to swim during the cold seasn here in FL? Which means a facility to accomodate the time period of maybe one to three months per year? We have a pool and are still using it yet this month (December). Our experience over 10 years is we choose to not use it in January and February as those are usually the months with many cold days. I say choose because if we elected to run the pool heating system we can use the pool in January and February as well.

So maybe we could hear what the supporters are presenting as the basis for needing an enclosed pool.

Also there is no mystery to the operating costs of an enclosed facility as there are many in operation to learn from. There are far too many uninformed statements of how simple and how inexpensive an enclosed swimming facility will be when they in fact have no idea at allthe reality of operating structure and $$$ short and long term....my two cents.

I am not against an enclosed pool facility. I am just not for one. Especially without having seen the cost of operations and potential long term affect of raising amenity fees to accomodate the annual cost. And of course as a resident I have no problem accepting any proposal where all the future costs are born by the users!

Love2Swim
12-11-2014, 11:03 AM
I would probably never use an indoor pool... Heck.. I hardly use the outdoor pools. I don't play tennis nor do I play softball.. All are items that take money to maintain. Who else has a polo field in their community??? And yet, it is a sorce os pride for The Villages.

I've heard that the pools in The Villages are salt water... I don't know if that's true... If so, it would dispel the previous posts regarding indoor chlorine pools.

Without knowing the costs to the residents, I'm not sure how anyone can say yes or no.

I'm always happy to see when a new item is added to our community... The diversity in sports and activities is the reason we moved here. An indoor pool would be one more and I approve.

We are an older community and getting older. We have many people who could use greatly use an indoor pool.


If, as some have suggested it's not enough for the amount of people who will use. That just tells me... we NEED it, and we NEED more than one!

Why would I want to take something away from anyone just because I don't use it?

Thank you for your common sense. I suspect those who are not in favor are not even swimmers. I don't have a dog yet I don't begrudge funds being spent on a dog park for those that do. I don't play softball and have never been to a polo match, but as you say, those things add to our community, make it attractive to buyers, and help keep our property values up. An indoor pool is a no brainer. In the summer the outside pool water is over 90 degrees, and with no shade, its like trying to get an aerobic workout in a hot tub. Its a potential source of heat stroke and there are many articles about danger to the elderly.

As the articles that Gracie posted attest, many problems associated with indoor pools are related to poor construction and design. An indoor pool that is constructed with a good design, with the latest water purification systems and air transfer mechanisms, along with routine maintenance, will discourage any air and water quality problems and keep the pool healthy.

As far as the costs of building and maintaining, none of us are experts. Everything here is speculation and everyone has their own opinion. Hopefully the powers that be will do their homework and make a sensible decision, looking at the needs of ALL the residents.

njbchbum
12-11-2014, 11:10 AM
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So maybe we could hear what the supporters are presenting as the basis for needing an enclosed pool.

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As is frequently mentioned to me - At our age and place in life, we are way beyond need and are basically only involved in want.

billethkid
12-11-2014, 11:25 AM
As we look at the developers ability to plan and develop appropriate facilities to accomodate a certain number of villages with a certain number if villages....they have obviously concluded how many pools would be required to provide adequate access for a given population.

As a result there are many, many pools provided for each village or cluster of villages.

Is it being proposed that one enclosed pool will be sufficient to accomodate all who would want to have access to an indoor pool? Then there would be the discussion of where in the almost 40 square miles to put it.....and that certainly will not make for everybody being happy about how far away it might be.

I think there was a lot more to the developers decision to not pusrsue enclosed pools than many would like to hear. As far as liability for heat stroke and the like for water to warm. It is also known the developer has some of the very best legal council and access to thousands of like scenarios around the USA and they do not do much of anything that exposes them to additional risk...hence they continue with open pools for good reason(s) and not enclosed ones.

I find the subject very interesting and an exercise in watching the cost and legal justification anaysis and results.

I say build as many indoor pools as the user base can afford to support!

sunnyatlast
12-11-2014, 11:41 AM
How much would you be willing to pay for a premium membership to such a facility? Am just wondering what the indoor pool proponents think that amenity would be worth to them - since it would not be right to increase the amenity fee of those who do not want/need to use such a facility?

Regarding "it would not be right to increase the amenity fee of those who do no want/need to use such a facility", what about the tens of thousands of people here who do not play golf and do not use the executive golf courses?? A friend who's a TV sales rep told me in conversation (not sales pitch) that only 40% of TV residents are golfers (and undoubtedly, a good share of them play only occasionally, if at all).

I don't see non-golfers pitching a fit and worrying about an amenities fee increase--which by the way is capped by being tied to the consumer price index anyway--as executive courses are added.

And if people think an indoor pool is expensive to operate and maintain, try working on a budget for a golf course as I have! An 18-hole course takes at least $500,000 a year to operate/maintain.

As a quick, readable example of golf course operating costs, here is a link to the Sebring, FL (population 10,000) city golf course budget showing total operating expense of $482,055 for this year, on page 91. These are the kind of expenses thousands of non-golfers are paying for here, thru their amenities fees.

Golf course operating costs on page 91:
https://sebring.govoffice2.com/vertical/Sites/%7B2006E4D1-2DBD-46B6-969F-F5F20202BEDE%7D/uploads/Adopted_Budget_2013-2014.pdf

And I think pool users should pay a membership fee for an indoor one if a new indoor aquatics facility that meets all swimming villagers' aquatic needs could be built. Covering or enclosing and retrofitting the El Santiago neighborhood pool and its mechanical systems does not seem like a good idea due to its size and lack of lap swimming length and width. And the neighborhood residents want their pool to remain and be used as intended!

Mudder
12-11-2014, 12:14 PM
To maintain an indoor pool with decent air quality is very tricky and a great expense.
Yesterday afternoon at about 4 PM I went swimming at Lake Miona sports pool, air was chilly, pool water was perfect for lap swimming. Yes, getting out was a bit chilly but I quickly go to locker room and take a hot shower. Perfect.
When we first moved to Florida about 20 years ago we were appalled that there were no indoor tennis courts, then we quickly figured it all out. The few days a year when the courts are wet and we can't play we use those days as body recovery days.
There is a reason MVP didn't include an indoor pool at their new facility near Brownwood. Cost to operate vs membership willingness to pay.
I am a lap swimmer, but if I can't swim a few days a year I just let it go. Same with tennis or any other outdoor sport, it will not kill you if you miss a few days. Relax.

Challenger
12-11-2014, 12:19 PM
To maintain an indoor pool with decent air quality is very tricky and a great expense.
Yesterday afternoon at about 4 PM I went swimming at Lake Miona sports pool, air was chilly, pool water was perfect for lap swimming. Yes, getting out was a bit chilly but I quickly go to locker room and take a hot shower. Perfect.
When we first moved to Florida about 20 years ago we were appalled that there were no indoor tennis courts, then we quickly figured it all out. The few days a year when the courts are wet and we can't play we use those days as body recovery days.
There is a reason MVP didn't include an indoor pool at their new facility near Brownwood. Cost to operate vs membership willingness to pay.
I am a lap swimmer, but if I can't swim a few days a year I just let it go. Same with tennis or any other outdoor sport, it will not kill you if you miss a few days. Relax. Your concept is far too logical for this forum:MOJE_whot:

rubicon
12-11-2014, 12:34 PM
I question if that is really the reason they did away with the indoor pool. Why would an indoor pool be more expensive to maintain than any other pool? Its all about maintaining the level of chemicals and keeping the pumps and filters running. If anything it would be easier. The pumps and filters are inside in a temperature controlled environment and not subject to the temperature extremes that the outdoor pools encounter.

Is it possible they had a use for the space that the indoor pool occupied that would generate more income?

Hi Love2Swim: The Developer without notice to members of the Wellness Center sold the building including the swimming pool and relocated the Wellness Center to the Sales Office in Spanish Springs where it was eventually sold to MVP.

When members found out that the Wellness Center was moving they became upset, especially those who utilized the indoor pool. I don't know how many actually used the pool but some 200 people signed a petition to have the Developer retain the pool for their use. One of the arguments he advanced was the outrageous cost to maintain and heat the pool.

heating a pool is expensive and the reason why some village residents invested in solar panels.

rubicon
12-11-2014, 12:39 PM
I would suggest that if people are really interested in an indoor pool one manner in determining their true interest is to form a committee to privately fund the project and sell memberships. I am certain that some enterprising individual is eager to build an indoor pool here in Florida and reap great profits.

I say this because it is easy to say yea I want an indoor pool if you have little or no skin in the game

Sparty6971
12-11-2014, 12:45 PM
Not only are there costs to "heat" an indoor facility - and no the heated water would not keep the ambient air warm like some would like in Nov - Mar - there is also the cost of air conditioning that same facility in the Jun - Sept time period. Open windows for cooling? Really? How does that work in your house, without a heated pool of water in the middle of it?

Secondly and what I think is being forgotten by many that might use the El Santiago pool for other than lap swimming... Where will you go if you don't want a more regimented lap swim time but would rather just be in the water talking with friends like many do in "our" Santiago pool now.

Third, and I have not heard this worry at all yet. The El Santiago pool is one of very few "Family" pools in the area. When the kids and grand-kids come to visit, where will they go to swim? Down south a few miles? Up near Rte 42? Better not forget this little nice thing about your community.

If you want an indoor pool for lap swimming and for a Villages Swim Club, build a new one or take an existing adult or sports someplace where is more than one pool nearby.

Love2Swim
12-11-2014, 12:47 PM
To maintain an indoor pool with decent air quality is very tricky and a great expense.
Yesterday afternoon at about 4 PM I went swimming at Lake Miona sports pool, air was chilly, pool water was perfect for lap swimming. Yes, getting out was a bit chilly but I quickly go to locker room and take a hot shower. Perfect.
When we first moved to Florida about 20 years ago we were appalled that there were no indoor tennis courts, then we quickly figured it all out. The few days a year when the courts are wet and we can't play we use those days as body recovery days.
There is a reason MVP didn't include an indoor pool at their new facility near Brownwood. Cost to operate vs membership willingness to pay.
I am a lap swimmer, but if I can't swim a few days a year I just let it go. Same with tennis or any other outdoor sport, it will not kill you if you miss a few days. Relax.

Actually, for some swimmers the air temperature is a problem, but for many, it is the effect of the sun's rays that is problematic. As most know, the water is a super reflector of the sun and of course when you're swimming in a swimsuit, its difficult to cover up all the body parts. Many people our age are fighting skin cancer. Those who play golf can slather on the sunscreen, wear a visor, spend time under the roof of their golf cart, but when you're out in the water, the sunscreen doesn't stay on, and you're at risk of sun exposure. The sun exposure is year round.

As an aside, I heard from a good source(an employee), one of the reasons that MVP didn't put in the pool. That reason had to do with "old people peeing in the pool."

The costs for heating an indoor pool are going to be less than heating those outdoor pools. Maybe the savings in heating costs would offset any increase in maintenance costs? Just wondering.

rubicon
12-11-2014, 01:15 PM
Actually, for some swimmers the air temperature is a problem, but for many, it is the effect of the sun's rays that is problematic. As most know, the water is a super reflector of the sun and of course when you're swimming in a swimsuit, its difficult to cover up all the body parts. Many people our age are fighting skin cancer. Those who play golf can slather on the sunscreen, wear a visor, spend time under the roof of their golf cart, but when you're out in the water, the sunscreen doesn't stay on, and you're at risk of sun exposure. The sun exposure is year round.

As an aside, I heard from a good source(an employee), one of the reasons that MVP didn't put in the pool. That reason had to do with "old people peeing in the pool."

The costs for heating an indoor pool are going to be less than heating those outdoor pools. Maybe the savings in heating costs would offset any increase in maintenance costs? Just wondering.

Love2swim: when I wrote you I knew that but did not want to introduce that information. But since you opened the door quite honestly I had heard from trainers at the Wellness Center that there had been complaints of a bigger problem then just urine at the shower, spas, etc.

It is the reason I will not go in a pool nor shower at the gym here.

As for heating pools i suspect with the extreme heat we get from May until October that TV doesn't use much heat if any

sunnyatlast
12-11-2014, 01:35 PM
Regarding the above mentions of MVP and why they supposedly didn't include an indoor pool, this is what the Spanish Springs membership sales rep told me 2 years ago, AND what the Brownwood sales rep told me 6 months ago when I toured and concluded saying I'd join in a heartbeat IF it had an indoor lap pool:

"Lack of an indoor lap pool is the #1 reason we hear from villagers for not joining, and we hear it all the time from the members. But MVP's not including it."

Lack of interest is not the reason for not having an indoor pool there. And conjecture about the former wellness center pool at the hospital being too expensive to operate probably had more to do with its mechanical and chemical control systems that were old or antiquated--THAT can be seen at the dank Leesburg hospital wellness center pool--NOT something from this century's technology/construction!!

Bogie Shooter
12-11-2014, 01:53 PM
Regarding "it would not be right to increase the amenity fee of those who do no want/need to use such a facility", what about the tens of thousands of people here who do not play golf and do not use the executive golf courses?? A friend who's a TV sales rep told me in conversation (not sales pitch) that only 40% of TV residents are golfers (and undoubtedly, a good share of them play only occasionally, if at all).

!

The fact is they knew what the amenity fee was before they bought.......and knew they were not going to use the golf courses. And accepted that fact.
Analogy doesn't work...............

dbussone
12-11-2014, 01:56 PM
I question if that is really the reason they did away with the indoor pool. Why would an indoor pool be more expensive to maintain than any other pool? Its all about maintaining the level of chemicals and keeping the pumps and filters running. If anything it would be easier. The pumps and filters are inside in a temperature controlled environment and not subject to the temperature extremes that the outdoor pools encounter.



Is it possible they had a use for the space that the indoor pool occupied that would generate more income?


In fact it is more difficult and costly to maintain an indoor pool. You are forgetting the damage done by the chemicals and humidity not only to the building interior but also to the HVAC systems.

Topspinmo
12-11-2014, 02:11 PM
Why don't we just cover the villages and every thing will be indoor :bigbow:
This would be extra charge by the user right? Just like if I want to play championship golf I pay extra or if I want to play tennis on clay I pay extra. So IMO if you can't use the pools in the florida sunshine you should pay extra like all the rest of us. "O" how about we cover so pickleball courts too! :popcorn:

rubicon
12-11-2014, 05:12 PM
How many outside pools in TV? What % of the population use them? How many residents pay extra for country club pools? How many residents pay for priority golf? How many dropped priority golf because they found it was not a value for them?

Ask yourself why is it that those developing this community and to whom many residents believe are great visionaries when planning this community left out indoor pools? (see above)

Those indoor pool proponents making a comparison of paying amenity fees but not golfing need to be reminded that this retirement community is centered and has continually been advertised as a golf community.

Shadow8IA
12-11-2014, 09:41 PM
Newbee here! With these freezing temps I'm not going to put on my wet suit to do water aerobics. Del Webb's got a nice indoor pool, and they have whirlpools, steam rooms and saunas ...can't find them here! But even Del Webb, which we stayed at, their indoor pool was not overcrowded, BUT!! they claim to be only a third done with their development!

I'm not sure about all Del Webbs but we stayed at Del Webb in Davenport for a few nights last winter and the outdoor pool is not heated which is why we're not buying a home there. When we sat around the pool in Feb. people would go back and forth to swim indoors and outdoors to lay around the pool. No one could use the outdoor pool.

Barefoot
12-11-2014, 09:49 PM
How many outside pools in TV? What % of the population use them? How many residents pay extra for country club pools? How many residents pay for priority golf? How many dropped priority golf because they found it was not a value for them?

Ask yourself why is it that those developing this community and to whom many residents believe are great visionaries when planning this community left out indoor pools? (see above)

Those indoor pool proponents making a comparison of paying amenity fees but not golfing need to be reminded that this retirement community is centered and has continually been advertised as a golf community.

Makes sense.

zonerboy
12-11-2014, 10:34 PM
Don't particularly care about having an indoor pool.
I'd much prefer to have an indoor gymnasium with real basketball courts.

sunnyatlast
12-11-2014, 11:00 PM
Don't particularly care about having an indoor pool.
I'd much prefer to have an indoor gymnasium with real basketball courts.

According to the last sentence of post #84 and others above, you knew when you bought here that this is advertised as a golf community, so forget about indoor basketball with regulation courts, flooring and goals.

(Never mind that this "golf community" has 2,267 clubs, performing groups, and athletic teams in almost any sport played in North America, because they all have participants who want and like to do them.)

The Villages Club Listing:

http://www.districtgov.org/images/clubslisting.pdf

……..

Greg Nelson
12-12-2014, 06:29 AM
I would guess that Del Webb knows what is offered at TV and hence the indoor pool. Yesterday, just for the fun of it after getting the frost off, I went by Mulberry's pool to see if ANYONE was there. Nope, only the steam coming off the pool. My water aerobics class was not there. Tod Pope was nice enough to give us a home tour even the old side where they are selling furnished new homes. The prices were very reasonable! But, for NOW, we will rent. Having sold our Mexico home we are thinking that owning two homes is just too costly. We have a beautiful Minnesota lake home (Cormorant Park Place Estates (http://www.cormorantparkplace.com)) that is wonderful in the summer and close to my kids and grand kids and long time friends. We're currently thinking that next 'season' we'll be back here for November and December, and then three months on Venice Island. But who knows?????

zonerboy
12-12-2014, 09:48 AM
Actually, I have no expectations regarding the indoor gymnasium mentioned above.
However......a few years back I lived briefly in Plainfield, IN, a small town (population 28,000) outside of Indianapolis. The Parks and Recreation department there built a wonderful facility for residents which featured both indoor and outdoor pools (2 of each), a large basketball court with retractable backboards where 6 half court games could be played simultaneously. These courts could also be switched over to facilitate indoor volleyball. Above and surrounding the perimeter of these courts was an indoor running/walking track. There was also a large exercise facility with free weights, Nautilus machines, and a large variety of exercise bikes, treadmills, ellipticals and so forth. In addition, there were a number of meeting rooms, some with kitchen facilities to accommodate bithday piarties, special events,etc.
But, as far as I remember, Plainfield did not have a municipal golf course.
My point is simply that almost anything can be accomplished if there are enough people willing to support it.

CFrance
12-12-2014, 09:54 AM
Actually, I have no expectations regarding the indoor gymnasium mentioned above.
However......a few years back I lived briefly in Plainfield, IN, a small town (population 28,000) outside of Indianapolis. The Parks and Recreation department there built a wonderful facility for residents which featured both indoor and outdoor pools (2 of each), a large basketball court with retractable backboards where 6 half court games could be played simultaneously. These courts could also be switched over to facilitate indoor volleyball. Above and surrounding the perimeter of these courts was an indoor running/walking track. There was also a large exercise facility with free weights, Nautilus machines, and a large variety of exercise bikes, treadmills, ellipticals and so forth. In addition, there were a number of meeting rooms, some with kitchen facilities to accommodate bithday piarties, special events,etc.
But, as far as I remember, Plainfield did not have a municipal golf course.
My point is simply that almost anything can be accomplished if there are enough people willing to support it.

And it's a very good point.

BTW, you just perfectly described the athletic club I used to pay $100/month to be a member of in MI in the '90s. Could it be Plainfield got a grant to help build that?

Challenger
12-12-2014, 09:58 AM
Actually, I have no expectations regarding the indoor gymnasium mentioned above.
However......a few years back I lived briefly in Plainfield, IN, a small town (population 28,000) outside of Indianapolis. The Parks and Recreation department there built a wonderful facility for residents which featured both indoor and outdoor pools (2 of each), a large basketball court with retractable backboards where 6 half court games could be played simultaneously. These courts could also be switched over to facilitate indoor volleyball. Above and surrounding the perimeter of these courts was an indoor running/walking track. There was also a large exercise facility with free weights, Nautilus machines, and a large variety of exercise bikes, treadmills, ellipticals and so forth. In addition, there were a number of meeting rooms, some with kitchen facilities to accommodate bithday piarties, special events,etc.
But, as far as I remember, Plainfield did not have a municipal golf course.
My point is simply that almost anything can be accomplished if there are enough people willing to support it.

Almost anything is posssible if you have enough money from other people(taxpayers)

rubicon
12-12-2014, 10:43 AM
Don't particularly care about having an indoor pool.
I'd much prefer to have an indoor gymnasium with real basketball courts.

Hi zonerboy: Your wish is MVP's command join their facility at Brownwood it has all you requested. And the kicker is it is privately funded and requires membership fees

dotsie25
12-31-2014, 11:24 PM
I would love to have heated indoor pools in the villages but would like to know how much this project might cost for the users. I do feel that we don't get to use the outdoor pools because a large part of the year, the temps are too hot and there are numerous thunderstorms.
I have some physical problems that does not allow me to take long walks/and/or treadmill. Swimming is pretty much my only option and there is a big chunk of the year when I am unable to take advantage of this wonderful commodity because of reasons listed above.

lbuoneto
01-01-2015, 02:17 AM
Hello, Karen. Just saw this post. What happened at the Dec 10 meeting? Any luck in getting an indoor pool here??? Linda A, lbuoneto@hotmail.com

kasullivan
01-07-2015, 09:33 PM
Does anyone know what the outcome was of the December 10th meeting to discuss the idea of indoor pools?

I saw an ad in the paper this week about a new facility opening in Lady Lake called Health Spa V. They are going to have a 60 ft. indoor pool and fitness equipment, etc. The monthly cost is $19.95 plus a registration fee. Sounds too good to be true.

I called and they said it is slated to open in April and is being built near Oakwood Grill on 441.

If it is as good as it sounds, I think they will get a good response for membership. Very reasonable.