Deputy shoots man in stolen car

[graciegirl]

More trouble in Orlando. Witness says he saw perp with "hands up" inside car from second story window in the dark. Driver was ordered to put hands up and exit car. Instead he moved the car that was blocked in by officers.


Man shot by Orange County deputy during stolen-car investigation - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-deputy-shooting-timberleaf-apartment-20141208-story.html)

[Rags123]

More trouble in Orlando. Witness says he saw perp with "hands up" inside car from second story window in the dark. Driver was ordered to put hands up and exit car. Instead he moved the car that was blocked in by officers.


Man shot by Orange County deputy during stolen-car investigation - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-deputy-shooting-timberleaf-apartment-20141208-story.html)

This is just the beginning for sure.

[graciegirl]

This is just the beginning for sure.

We don't know what color any of them are. Funny isn't it? Because they are making a big deal of it, we do know.

[Rags123]

We don't know what color any of them are. Funny isn't it? Because they are making a big deal of it, we do know.

""I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis upon the observance of the law than they do upon its enforcement"
- Calvin Coolidge

[Challenger]

If you break no laws , you probably won't be shot by a cop. It's more likely that your demise will be at the hands of someone the cops are searching for JMHO

[GaryW]

To me the problem is the media,,, As in the Ferguson case. The only Things I knew about that case was, a black male was shot many times by a white police officer in the face and back while he was running away.
Once the transcripts of the case come out, then you see a whole different picture.
The media puts whatever spin on it that comes first. Not to say that police officer was right or wrong, I was not there and none of us here in TV were not there, but we read what is put in the paper and online. A person is convicted in the media way before a trail ever happens.

Just my thought,, I have not read the article on the Orlando case, do not care to. No idea what is actual truth. :MOJE_whot:

[rubicon]

Believe it or not perhaps those eye witnesses may not know the truth.

The Roshomon Effect deals with the effects of subjectivity as to a person's perception of an event. There can be substantial difference in accounts but equally plausible accounts. It is a common place thing in all types of investigation. You can interview four people and each has a different but plausible account of what occurred.

[Villages PL]

I'm going to assume the deputy did the right thing until someone can prove otherwise. :)

:ho:

[Bizdoc]

We seem to have moved from trial by jury to trial in the media. If popular opinion doesn't agree with the jury, then let's ignore it.

I also fault the media for reporting based on unverified/unsubstantiated statements. Once those statements are out there, they become "well, NBC said..". Look at the recent Rolling Stone/UVa debacle. Was there truth there? No one will ever know, but public opinion forced the university to act absent any proof or even legal charges filed.

Even the allegations made against Bill Cosby are just that, allegations. No criminal charges, no trial. Unless/until it makes its way thru the criminal justice system, our system of justice says he is innocent until proven guilty.

If you look at the number of "guilty" folks who are later freed, you see some of the problems of letting passions over-ride the truth.

Of course, if you don't like our sometimes less than perfect justice system, China has a much simpler system. Once charged, the odds are that you will be found guilty within a very few days and immediately executed. Not sure that I want that to become the norm here.

[Tennisnut]

We seem to have moved from trial by jury to trial in the media. If popular opinion doesn't agree with the jury, then let's ignore it.

I also fault the media for reporting based on unverified/unsubstantiated statements. Once those statements are out there, they become "well, NBC said..". Look at the recent Rolling Stone/UVa debacle. Was there truth there? No one will ever know, but public opinion forced the university to act absent any proof or even legal charges filed.

Even the allegations made against Bill Cosby are just that, allegations. No criminal charges, no trial. Unless/until it makes its way thru the criminal justice system, our system of justice says he is innocent until proven guilty.

If you look at the number of "guilty" folks who are later freed, you see some of the problems of letting passions over-ride the truth.

Of course, if you don't like our sometimes less than perfect justice system, China has a much simpler system. Once charged, the odds are that you will be found guilty within a very few days and immediately executed. Not sure that I want that to become the norm here.

We did not have to wait a few days here, just a few seconds. Poor guy, guess he did not realize if you break the law, you may get shot for stealing a car.

[Rags123]

We did not have to wait a few days here, just a few seconds. Poor guy, guess he did not realize if you break the law, you may get shot for stealing a car.

As I read it and understand it, he got shot because he did not follow instructions...

"As deputies set up a perimeter around the vehicle, they saw Bartee and Chaney hop into the stolen car.

The uniformed deputies confronted the two men inside the car, Nieves said.


The deputies also blocked the front and back of the stolen vehicle to stop it from moving, Nieves said.

As the deputies gave their commands, they noticed some movement inside the stolen vehicle.

Bartee, the driver, then tried to move the stolen vehicle, despite being blocked by deputies, Nieves said.

The driver's hands continued to move in and out of plain view."


Imagine...you are called because a car has been stolen. You see these two jump in the car and hands disappear. We never have threads about the police shootings that take place at night but when you are a cop and in that situation....well, leave it to ex cops to respond, but that is scary. You must know where everyone is and where there hands are inside that car.

Your statement was EXTREMELY MISLEADING and inflamatory. That is the kind of OMISSIONS that so many in the media make....the leaders of certain movements, etc because it serves their purpose. Why you omittted the circumstances involved and instead made into something it was not.

[Tennisnut]

As I read it and understand it, he got shot because he did not follow instructions...

"As deputies set up a perimeter around the vehicle, they saw Bartee and Chaney hop into the stolen car.

The uniformed deputies confronted the two men inside the car, Nieves said.


The deputies also blocked the front and back of the stolen vehicle to stop it from moving, Nieves said.

As the deputies gave their commands, they noticed some movement inside the stolen vehicle.

Bartee, the driver, then tried to move the stolen vehicle, despite being blocked by deputies, Nieves said.

The driver's hands continued to move in and out of plain view."


Imagine...you are called because a car has been stolen. You see these two jump in the car and hands disappear. We never have threads about the police shootings that take place at night but when you are a cop and in that situation....well, leave it to ex cops to respond, but that is scary. You must know where everyone is and where there hands are inside that car.

Your statement was EXTREMELY MISLEADING and inflamatory. That is the kind of OMISSIONS that so many in the media make....the leaders of certain movements, etc because it serves their purpose. Why you omittted the circumstances involved and instead made into something it was not.

Then in your opinion, based on these circumstances he was justified in shooting? I do not agree.

[tomwed]

i see what you mean

[gomoho]

If you break no laws , you probably won't be shot by a cop. It's more likely that your demise will be at the hands of someone the cops are searching for JMHO

Key word is your statement is PROBABLY. I'm beginning to question that thinking, though I fully believed it until a few recent developments. Have you seen the video of the 12 year old in Cleveland that was shot or heard of the young man coming down the stairs with his family in NYC that was also shot and killed?

[Rags123]

Then in your opinion, based on these circumstances he was justified in shooting? I do not agree.

Please explain exactly how you arrived at this conclusion, as that IS NOT, nor EVER WAS my opinion and I am curious how you arrived at that conclusion and posted it as such !!!! I thought my post was clear as it was a response to another post jumping to conclusions.

Thank you

[graciegirl]

Then in your opinion, based on these circumstances he was justified in shooting? I do not agree.

I heard on this morning's news that the driver of the stolen car was told to get out with his hands up as he was blocked in by other vehicles. Instead he started to drive the car. I guess the police officer should have waited to see if he was going to drive the car into him?

I just recently learned on the evening news their skin color, but I knew the way it was handled what the problem was. Thank Goodness for a police chief who has community leaders behind him. And yes, they are all black. All of those calm, good people are behind the black police chief who has acted sensibly and sanely. I have seen him on TV a lot and I have great respect for him. His job is very hard.

AND lest we forget, it too often goes the other way. See here;...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/22/fla-deputy-ambushed-killed-officials-say/19409763/

[Bay Kid]

We did not have to wait a few days here, just a few seconds. Poor guy, guess he did not realize if you break the law, you may get shot for stealing a car.

Before you STEAL you might want to think you may be shot for stealing.... Maybe then you wouldn't steal!

[billethkid]

arm chair opinions are just that and have little or no comparison to the reality of those in the shoes of the personally involved.

[redwitch]

It is unfortunate that a man died and I feel for the officer who shot him but the reality is that the driver was not unarmed. A car can be and frequently is a deadly weapon. You don't have to have a gun or a knife to kill. Hands that go out of sight can easily come back with a weapon. So, if the facts are as stated, I'm not sure the officer was given much choice.

To me, this incident is far different than the Ferguson shooting or the shooting in Cleveland. The first may have been semi-justified, although I'm not convinced. The second was horrific and absolutely inexcusable. In this incident, lives were at risk, the deceased was warned and chose to act as he did.

[sunnyatlast]

From the article linked in the original post:

"But witnesses said they saw Bartee, who is black, with his hands up as the three shots were fired by the deputy, who is white."


The parroting of "hands up" tells all we need to know about the direction they wanted the story to go.

And pro football and basketball players parroting "I can't breathe" on the job, in the workplace, tells where they want the story to go, too.

The responsible, mature black people I know would be insulted that the whole American black population is being portrayed as if none of them knows how to READ the grand jury testimony (from Ferguson case). Brown's blood inside the squad car, where bullets entered Brown, and the bullet holes in the driver's armrest section of the car proved he had reached into the car to get the officer's gun.

Anybody who dives into a squad car window and tries to grab the officer's weapon should expect to be shot. THAT is what none of the charlatan propagandists on t.v. (like the mayor of NY) talk about when taking one LOCAL case and stereotyping all police across the nation as 'racists' whom their "children of color" need to fear.