Paranormal or Hoax???

[Donna]

You be the judge..This artist got in touch with me to ask if I would fund a documentary for him, needless to say why me???

I have many different thoughts on this painting, I would like some of yours..

http://www.anomalist.com/reports/painting.html

[Donna]

Lets go peeps..I want opinions here... ???

[Muncle]

Okay Donna, I read it. My primary reaction was that I never ever want to take whatever drugs this guy was on. Now I'm not a big believer in those folk who discover an image of Mother Theresa in their toast or find that a leaking water pipe has stained their wall in an exact duplicate of the Infant Jesus of Prague. And I am a bit unsure as to whether I believe the story of art creation by turpentine spilling. It's BS, to be sure.

[Donna]

Thanks Muncle..I agree..This guy is a nut! ::)

[Taltarzac]

Did you Snopes.com the man?? Would not trust Google all that much as you might get a lot of junk. They just pull up whatever happens to be out there.

I did see a window in Clearwater at an office building that looked very much like an image of the Virgin Mary. http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping157.htm

Thought that in nature or affected by nature (rain in the Clearwater window) something like this is going to appear at various times just because of co-incidences but the painting you linked looks like there was a person trying to create images on that canvas.

I am with Muncle that the painter probably was on something when he did this work or afterwards and just does not remember.

Some vandal destroyed a lot of the image of the Virgin Mary in Clearwater. Liked to go by it every once in a while before that happened. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/5296

[Donna]

Tal..

:agree:.. with you and Muncle..He wants to pull a scam and has contacted me, thinking I would buy his story..

I sent him an email and told him to contact another group..I am going to Google his name.. :bigthumbsup: By the way, his name is Salvador G. Valdez so he claims..We really have no clue who this person is :dontknow:

[Taltarzac]

Tal..

:agree:.. with you and Muncle..He wants to pull a scam and has contacted me, thinking I would buy his story..

I sent him an email and told him to contact another group..I am going to Google his name.. :bigthumbsup: By the way, his name is Salvador G. Valdez so he claims..We really have no clue who this person is :dontknow:



He is an artist from El Paso. I Googled him to see what came up. I might have seen some of his work when touring the University of Texas at El Paso in late Fall of 2001 when I went there to interview for a law librarian position there, they were thinking of creating. http://www.utep.edu/ntc/Webgallery%20interns/pages/Salvador%20G%20Valdez.html

The UTEP library had a lot of art of El Paso artists.

I think I messed up the UTEP interview and aftermath with my survivors' rights stuff as I got a little too pushy. You do not mess with Texas. >:(

He might have used that canvas for previous works and then painted over it which would explain the interaction with the turpentine???

Was only in El Paso in 2001 for about a day. They paid to fly me in and then right out again so I did not get to see any of the sights, meet any of the people, etc.

Maybe this man looks at TOTV???

[samhass]

Donna, You need to run...not walk away from this one. It screams scam.

[Taltarzac]

Saw a very odd little movie on DVD yesterday called The Sasquatch Gang about a hoax involving Sasquatch.

This movie was made by the people who brought you Napoleon Dynamite and is that kind of movie that makes nerds heroes.

Anyway, Samhass is probably right about this being a hoax.

[Taltarzac]

See that the Clearwater Virgin is listed first in the Wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptions_of_religious_imagery_in_natural_phenom ena#.22The_Clearwater_Virgin.22

Anyone else on TOTV see the Clearwater Virgin while she was up in Clearwater???

Did not see any mention of Salvador G. Valdez's painting in this Wikipedia article.

[Donna]

Trust me guys, I did not fall for his scam..I knew it smelled funny from day one..
I told him to call TAPS...

[Taltarzac]

Trust me guys, I did not fall for his scam..I knew it smelled funny from day one..
I told him to call TAPS...


I Zabasearched Salvador G. Valdez and its looks like he lives in Texas or maybe Oklahoma if this is the man born in 1946??

Zabasearch does get a lot of old addresses though along with the new ones.

[chelsea24]

Definately a scam, but interesting post. :bigthumbsup: Donna.

[handieman]

See that the Clearwater Virgin is listed first in the Wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptions_of_religious_imagery_in_natural_phenom ena#.22The_Clearwater_Virgin.22

Anyone else on TOTV see the Clearwater Virgin while she was up in Clearwater???

Did not see any mention of Salvador G. Valdez's painting in this Wikipedia article.

I haven't seen a virgin anywhere since the 7th grade :redface:
Handie :joke:

[renielarson]

It is so easy to pass these so called paranormal experiences off as fraud. But how can we be sure?

The Catholic Church has appointed Saints with no absolute proof. Right?

Is there absolute proof there is a God? Anything concrete we can put our finger on?

Is there proof there is an afterlife? Anything concrete we can put our finger on?

We all believe in things that cannot be proved with concrete evidence.

So how can we say this painting is a fraud with no absolute proof?

Just food for thought.

[Muncle]

I haven't seen a virgin anywhere since the 7th grade :redface:
Handie :joke:


But Handie, both of those young ladies at Home Depot assured me they were virgins. :yikes: :yikes:

[renielarson]

He teaches Middle School Art at Guillen Middle School in El Paso, Texas.

As a teacher, I find it hard to believe that he would risk his career by conjuring up a fraud. This would not be to his advantage.

I have his phone number...Donna, do you want it so you can talk to him?