Great Obama Web Site

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http://www.theobamafile.com/

Hundreds of documented facts, many from his own books and speeches...

His associations, politics, his education, his relatives...

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Well that's a bit of propaganda!

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The Republicans are so desperate, they'll stoop to anything. There've been articles out warning of this Internet Slur Campaign. Just typical Republican dirty politics.

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The Republicans are so desperate, they'll stoop to anything. There's been articles out warning of this Internet Slur Campaign. Just typical Republican dirty politics.


All the sides resort to dirty politics though. That just seems to be the nature of the beast.

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I don't suppose it will be "dirty politics" when these "rumours" start about McCain; just the plain truth, right? Yea, right!!

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http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15227.html

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Some of you are just partly right.

Remember politics is not an honorable endeavor....lying...cheating...being evasive...non commital...shine the light on others short comings...exaggerate the truth/untruth...say what ever the folks want to hear...get to keep your job for hundreds of years even if you do nothing (except President)...gosh there are so many attributes to list them all here.

And last of all you do know how to tell when they are lying....right....their lips are moving.

Both parties (all parties) make extensive use of dirty tricks...if they say they don't....remember their lips were moving :joke:

BTK

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Well, read some of it -- family, politics, advisers and two others. All I can say is what a bunch of innuendo. Most of it got the "so what" reaction from me.

I don't care what his father did -- he's not his father and barely knew the man. I don't care that his favorite teacher was a Communist. So was mine (Heck! She was worse -- she was a flat out subversive (Angela Davis).) and I'm anything but a Communist or a Socialist and I'm most definitely not a subversive. I learned a lot in her classes and her groups after classes. I took what I wanted and left the rest behind. Something tells me Mr. Obama did the same thing.

And I can go on about the other things I read but the reality is it won't make a bit of difference. You'll continue campaigning against the man by citing the same innuendoes and smearing him with those innuendoes until the election is long over. And we certainly wouldn't want facts or the actions of the man to get in the way.

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Why these facts and characterizations about Obama matter to me and should matter to every American:

Islam today carries out 99% + of the worlds terrorists acts. Not people named John and Bob. Muhammad and Hussein, actually.

There are approximately 1 billion Muslims in the world http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_numb.htm . If only 5% are terrorists or sympathizers, that means a mere 50,000,000 Muslims are terrorists or sympathizers. The rest are "moderates", either non-practicing, or "nominal Muslim" or Muslims who do not take the teachings of the Koran literally as do the followers of the 5%. But funny thing, many of these "moderates" have shown themselves to be apologists for the "extremeists" and refuse to disassociate themselves from the purposes and tactics the radicals espouse. So, really, there is no good way to know how many of the 950,000,000 "moderate" Muslims actually support, either financially, viscerally, or otherwise, the radical Muslim cause and methods.

The majority of Barack's family are Muslim.

Barack had the opportunity many years ago to retain his non-Muslim name. He deliberately chose a Muslim name for himself. And now he or others think it disingenuous to call him by any one of his three Muslim names? Why? He chose them!

Barack continues to associate with many Muslims.

Muslim organizations are endorsing him.

His ex-pastor of 20 years has a Master's degree in Islamic studies and has made innumerable statements not just critical but hateful of the nation he preaches in.

The greatest threat to the our country today is from Islamic extremists of which we really don't know the number or breadth of support they receive from amongst the "moderate" Muslim population.

Muslim scripture teaches to deceive when it is to their advantage.
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This is not the time to vote for an individual for President who has such overt allegience and relations to Muslims or their sympathizers.

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I know a person who has a father from Africa and a white mother from the midwest. He has an African middle name. He has many African relatives including a favorite aunt. This person is one of my favorite people in the world.

He is 6 years old and is my grandson!

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Good post Avista!! :bigthumbsup:

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OK gmucci,
We all know you don't like Obama. (And I don't like Bush's policies).
Let's give the political a rest and be nice to each other! :)

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OK gmucci,
We all know you don't like Obama. (And I don't like Bush's policies).
Let's give the political a rest and be nice to each other! :)

But...but...but...this is the political forum. :dontknow: And no 6 year old with an African father around here has been endorsed by Muslims, and it wouldn't matter if he was because he's not running for President.

And who's not being nice? Just some facts with a pinch of opinion. Which is what this forum is for, yes? ;)

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Any one else watch the Ken Burn's series The War? What made me think of it was how it chronicled in one or more segments how the Japanese-Americans were treated during WWII. A lot of this was often based on what their surnames were.

There seemed to be several battalions of Japanese-Americans who went way beyond the call of duty and show great courage in several engagements. http://www.nichibeitimes.com/articles/stories.php?subaction=showfull&id=1189709852&archive=&start_from=&ucat=3&

I do not think it should matter what someone's middle name or surname is when judging his or her character.

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Good post Taltarzac!!!

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Good post Taltarzac!!!


Thanks.

I have two African American nephews through a recent marriage who have names like Obama-- Kalil and Bilal.

Bilal is from the Arabic-- http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Bilal.html

Funny thing is that you are probably going to start seeing a lot of babies with the name Obama whether or not Senator Barack Obama wins the White House this year.

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My daughter's boyfriend is named Amir. Luckily she lives in Chicago and they both are very well educated with educated friends so it is no hassle.
I agree that names are changing...I think it is good but some people just have to learn and open their minds. Amir comes from a family of all Doctors with names like Mike and Steve! He is a super nice guy!

So nice talking to you!

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My son-in-law (0f 12 years,African by birth, American by citizenship) is also a really great guy. Wouldn't trade him for anyone. He and my daughter and family met Barack Obama last month. My granddaughter's name is Léa (pronounced Lay-Ah) Barack told her her name was almost like his daughter's which is Malea(sp?). He talked to both Léa age 8 and her 6 year old brother. When she called me, Léa said, "I talked to Barack Obama, Grandma, he is soooo nice."

I realize this is not a reason to vote for him, but thought I'd share my story.

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Thanks.

I have two African American nephews through a recent marriage who have names like Obama-- Kalil and Bilal.

Bilal is from the Arabic-- http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Bilal.html

Funny thing is that you are probably going to start seeing a lot of babies with the name Obama whether or not Senator Barack Obama wins the White House this year.

I have no doubt of that.* I would not be surprised if my first grandson was named "Barack."

"Muhammad" is the number one boys name for newborns in Great Britain, and the great majority are Muslim.

I agree that "niceness" and simply "a name" have little to do with a person's fitness for president or whether they fit the mold of "terrorist", "fanatic", or "traitor."* There have been some very "nice" terrorists and fanatics.* It just so happens that the great majority in the past decade have had Muslim names.* There are many other more important qualities and aspects of an individual that indicate their tendencies under various conditions.* When it comes to a President, we need to discover as many of these as possible.* Some call it "judgemental."* I call it "discernment" and "prudence."* Some people don't like prudence, and thus the term "prude" was born.* So goes human nature.

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That would be Divine Retrobution, Mucci, you little woofer! LOLOL I love your daughter! ;D

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What office will Al Sharpton, the right rev, and Jessie Jackson have in Obama's administration? After GWB and the Iraq fiasco I had decided, before the primaries, that I would most certainly vote for the democrat's nominee and then they come up with Obama. Give me a break! This guy should be a preacher not a president. If this doesn't rile up the Obama supporters nothing will.

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idj1938, your post is about as narrow minded as you can get. Nothing about you post or the Obama post in general is enough to rile anyone, because it's laughable.

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I'm no Obama supporter....but that website is just sick. Geez....I once was a Catholic but not now. So when he was a child his step father registered him as a Muslim...big deal that is much more about the stepfather than Obama.

This is nothing but a bunch of fear....somebody is always trying to tell me something I should be afraid of. The Red(s), The Gay(s) and now Obama.

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What is the biggest drag about politics and especially the election for President is the money they're

spending just to get their name out there.

Just think of all the people that may be just middle-class and may have incredible attributes. Just venting.

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mucci, you are being ganged up on and i want to say that i agree with your views wholeheartedly. no offense to almost everyone else! i have mexican-american and future african-american grandchildren, also, but that has nothing to do with what i think is dangerous about this particular man. and he did choose his muslim name!

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Mucci has made his position many times. People are not ganging up on anybody. They have a right to their views. I agree with Red and Chels on this. Those websites are just :edit:

Listen to the news. The gas prices keep going up...hitting everyone from airlines, truckers, farmers, working people very hard. The foreclosures of homes continue and house prices are still dropping. Unemployment is going higher and higher. Our nation's debt is getting larger and larger as we spend more and more in Iraq.
All this under Republican Bush. You keep putting out Republican spin websites ...as though this will change anybody's mind. Believe me intelligent people know how many lies have been told and those websites won't change their minds. They listen to mainstream news not Republican spin.

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Listen to the news. The gas prices keep going up...hitting everyone from airlines, truckers, farmers, working people very hard. The foreclosures of homes continue and house prices are still dropping. Unemployment is going higher and higher. Our nation's debt is getting larger and larger as we spend more and more in Iraq.

All this under Republican Bush. You keep putting out Republican spin websites ...as though this will change anybody's mind. Believe me intelligent people know how many lies have been told and those websites won't change their minds. They listen to mainstream news not Republican spin.


There is no neutral and objective press. There is a "Democratic" spin on some networks and "Republican" spin on others. The contest among networks is not which can be the best jouornalistically, but who can get the higher ratings, That normally happens by telling people what they want to hear (so they will come back and nod up-and-down), and make sure the storyteller meets media guidelines for age, beauty, sexiness, authority, and whatever charm works to keep their faces on the tube (old word for TV screen).

So, if someone really want to get to "the truth," it requires a lot of effort to get information from multiple (especially, competing) sources, sift out the hyperbole, and actually analyze the remainder. Anything less is just following the Pied Piper down whatever path s/he's going, and basing credibility on Nielsen ratings.

I'm not thrilled with several aspects of the current administration, but let's also remember: 1) World War One, 2) World War Two, 3) Korea, 4) Vietnam, 5) the Bay of Pigs, 6) Iranian hostage debacle, 7) Somolia, 8 ) the Cold War, 9) dropping the Gold Standard, 10) the USS Liberty incident, and 11) the USS Pueblo incident --- All occurred during Democratic administrations. Electing a Democrat doesn't bring a stellar track record either.....

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I love you Steve but I taught History and majored in History in college and what you said just isn't true!!!. :o
I am too busy to waste my time arguing but Steve I would call your responses Republican Spin!! Yes you are not alone. You live in a Republican community in a Republican State.
You have a good day and I love ya--just don't agree with ya! :)

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I love you Steve but I taught History and majored in History in college and what you said just isn't true!!!. :o
I am too busy to waste my time arguing but Steve I would call your responses Republican Spin!! Yes you are not alone. You live in a Republican community in a Republican State.
You have a good day and I love ya--just don't agree with ya! :)

Some day we can debate which of the items aren't true, and which are just coincidental in timing. In the meantime, It's a beautiful Day in the Villages... and will be back on Friday to enjoy it. Take care....

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I got dual BAs at the University of Nevada, Reno in History and Philosophy and often found that you needed theories to help cherry pick the facts for history and facts to support your theories in philosophy.

Senator Obama's history sure had very different cherries picked depending on what party the story teller seems to be supporting. Same with John McCain's background.

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Steve, I'm bringing my fat US history books! :)

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Talt,
Yep, :) there is always spin on both sides! In college I was on a debate team and could always go either way on a question ( as it is part of the game to pick your side just before the debate by picking a paper out of a hat!!)

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Steve, I'm bringing my fat US history books! :)

Git-R-Done (lol)

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Steve, you make some very good points about historical events during Democratic presidencies. It's really funny how none of that ever comes out in the mainstream news. However true the statements and facts are, you have to remember that when arguing politics, if you hit your opponent with facts and logic they lose the urge to chit chat. I too have history and philosophy minors which kind of prepare you for these interesting times we live in. Keep up the good fight, your posts are great.
Irish Rover

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Isn't a "Great Obama Web Site" an oxymoron? ;)

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No, George W. Bush is an oxymoron. Or should I say just a moron. :o

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Steve, you make some very good points about historical events during Democratic presidencies. It's really funny how none of that ever comes out in the mainstream news. However true the statements and facts are, you have to remember that when arguing politics, if you hit your opponent with facts and logic they lose the urge to chit chat. I too have history and philosophy minors which kind of prepare you for these interesting times we live in. Keep up the good fight, your posts are great.
Irish Rover

The key is keeping a sense of humor. You learn that living in Copperas Cove....

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The majority of my family are Amish/Mennonite. I am NOT.

I continue to associate with my Amish/Mennonite relatives. Do I agree with their beliefs or lifestyle? NO! However, they are family regardless and I refuse to disown them just because they have a different way of life.

I retain my birth name although I could have changed it at anytime. Why would I choose to keep Verla Rene? Because it was given to me and I respect my parents choice whether I like it or not.

I hope no one associates me with one of my ministers. Although I disagreed with his liberal extremism of referring to God as a "she" and altering the Lord's Prayer to include "her", I didn't leave the church because of the friendships I had made and the fellowship of other members. In fact, I am still a member today although I haven't stepped foot in that church for over 20 years...because we moved too far away.

My grandson's middle name is Che...is that extreme enough for you? I adore him and would never judge him by a name his parents gave him.

So...are you going to judge me now?

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So...are you going to judge me now?


Bright, the simple answer is if you were running for office, many here would indeed judge you and you would fail miserably.

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I got dual BAs at the University of Nevada, Reno in History and Philosophy and often found that you needed theories to help cherry pick the facts for history and facts to support your theories in philosophy.

Senator Obama's history sure had very different cherries picked depending on what party the story teller seems to be supporting. Same with John McCain's background.


Really, SteveZ can quote 'history' as much as he wants, but its all about the spin. I can't believe people in this forum are still discussing Obama's middle name, and his non association with Islam, yawn. Personally, I'm looking forward to the debates with McCain. I have a feeling McCain will be underwhelming.

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I agree. On the day McCain started offering the Town Hall meetings his crowd was 300 as opposed to Obama's 17,000 in the stadium and another 15,000 outside. Of course McCain wants to pool his resources with Obama. The McCain campaign is hurting for money. Many of think that Obama should not play into these townhall "talks" as McCain needs them way more than Obama does. McCain loves to ride coattails. Afterall, he's been doing it all his life via his grandfather and father. Bring on the debates, McCain being "Underwhelming" is putting it mildly.

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I agree. On the day McCain started offering the Town Hall meetings his crowd was 300 as opposed to Obama's 17,000 in the stadium and another 15,000 outside. Of course McCain wants to pool his resources with Obama. The McCain campaign is hurting for money. Many of think that Obama should not play into these townhall "talks" as McCain needs them way more than Obama does. McCain loves to ride coattails. Afterall, he's been doing it all his life via his grandfather and father. Bring on the debates, McCain being "Underwhelming" is putting it mildly.

Personally, I don't care how the campaign managers set the stage. The REAL audience is at the other end of the television links. Those at the theater/stadium/outhouse just are there for applause generation.