Saving Seats in Spanish Springs Square

[twoas1@comcast.net]

At 3:00 in the afternoon, 80% of the chairs were SAVED by people. No one in sight! Just empty seats, with thin little cushions sitting in them, and some strung together with yarn and string. By 5:15 and 5:30 they were still empty. From 4 til 5, still empty. I sadly watched people stream past, searching for any and all empty chairs. Scanning for any place to sit. I felt so angry at those people who saved chairs at 3 then went off to play a round of golf or have a leisurely supper. I am surprised at the gaul of people to string chairs together, (some 8 or 10 in a row) and or place cushions on chairs 2 to 3 hours before hand. If you want a chair saved, then you best have your butt plopped in the seat. I would like to see management be on duty at 2 until music begins, to stop people from saving chairs then leaving. I suggest that everyone who sees strings or cushions, cut the strings, and move cushions to the wall behind them. Management...this has to stop...what are you afraid of?

[VT2TV]

Totally agree!!!!

[Bonanza]

At 3:00 in the afternoon, 80% of the chairs were SAVED by people. No one in sight! Just empty seats, with thin little cushions sitting in them, and some strung together with yarn and string. By 5:15 and 5:30 they were still empty. From 4 til 5, still empty. I sadly watched people stream past, searching for any and all empty chairs. Scanning for any place to sit. I felt so angry at those people who saved chairs at 3 then went off to play a round of golf or have a leisurely supper. I am surprised at the gaul of people to string chairs together, (some 8 or 10 in a row) and or place cushions on chairs 2 to 3 hours before hand. If you want a chair saved, then you best have your butt plopped in the seat. I would like to see management be on duty at 2 until music begins, to stop people from saving chairs then leaving. I suggest that everyone who sees strings or cushions, cut the strings, and move cushions to the wall behind them. Management...this has to stop...what are you afraid of?

I agree with you whole heartedly! Truthfully, it's more than gaul. It's even beyond unmitigated nerve. I don't know why management (whomever they are) doesn't put a stop to this. The only way to really make it stop is exactly what you said. Remove the "protection" that people place on the chairs and sit there. What are they going to say? Why is everyone scared to death to do that?

A similar thing happened to me at a Costco. I was alone and had just picked up a hot dog and soda. I looked around and there was not one empty table available. I saw a woman sitting at a table with no food. I asked her if someone was sitting there, thinking she just might be taking it easy. She said her husband was in line waiting to order. I looked at her and said, "oh, so why you are simply sitting there reserving a seat and have no food, that makes it okay while I have hot food in my hand and no place to sit." I sat down in the seat and she, obviously very annoyed, got up." She didn't say a word and neither did I, but I knew she was furious. Too bad. Some people just don't get it. The word rude and inconsiderate simply isn't in their vocabulary.

[2BNTV]

At 3:00 in the afternoon, 80% of the chairs were SAVED by people. No one in sight! Just empty seats, with thin little cushions sitting in them, and some strung together with yarn and string. By 5:15 and 5:30 they were still empty. From 4 til 5, still empty. I sadly watched people stream past, searching for any and all empty chairs. Scanning for any place to sit. I felt so angry at those people who saved chairs at 3 then went off to play a round of golf or have a leisurely supper. I am surprised at the gaul of people to string chairs together, (some 8 or 10 in a row) and or place cushions on chairs 2 to 3 hours before hand. If you want a chair saved, then you best have your butt plopped in the seat. I would like to see management be on duty at 2 until music begins, to stop people from saving chairs then leaving. I suggest that everyone who sees strings or cushions, cut the strings, and move cushions to the wall behind them. Management...this has to stop...what are you afraid of?

I totally agree. It seems some people feel they pay more amenities than the rest of us. In a perfect world, the event staff would institute a policy of removing all seat covers,rope, strings, etc, from these seats and only allow a person to save maybe two seats for them and their significant other, by sitting in a seat.

On some events, some people go to the square and save a table. They work in shifts and someone is stays at the table. Personally, I just think it's not worth the effort.

One fanny in seat equals reserved. :smiley:

Unfortunately, this will never change as human nature is in effect unless management starts removing all items that indicate saved seats. Maybe they should lock down all the seats until 4:45 PM. IMHO

[Doro22]

Yes these people are ridiculous! Like the idea about locking down all seats till 4:45. That would solve much of the problem. Also how about at a workout class or a line dance class...these big babies saving a spot for someone who may or may not show up. What is this...junior high? You can chat with your buddies after class. Go for coffee or something afterwards.

[Jimturner]

Management should come by several times each afternoon and remove any thing blocking the chairs and deposit said material in a trash can. Now that is an amenity ex spence I would pay for.

[2BNTV]

I was at SS last night and it was packed for the R&R show. Fortunate for me, I don't get too bent out of shape by these inconsiderate people. They are not worth getting upset over. I just plan accordingly by bringing my own seat, if I really want to plop down, in a good location.

It would be great if this situation could be rectified. IMHO

[Cisco Kid]

throw the crap in the trash an sit in the seat.
Be sure to put your dog up into a seat also.
The haters don't like to see a dog walking around up there.
That way you are meeting them 1/2 way :1rotfl:

[YouNeverKnow]

throw the crap in the trash an sit in the seat.
Be sure to put your dog up into a seat also.
The haters don't like to see a dog walking around up there.
That way you are meeting them 1/2 way :1rotfl:
Welcome to Americas Friendliest Hometown? :shocked:

[Cisco Kid]

Welcome to Americas Friendliest Hometown? :shocked:

Your Welcome :ho:

[sunnyatlast]

A growing number of people abuse what is "free of charge". They do not appreciate what they have here.

Anywhere else, reserved seating costs money, in the form of tickets. And when buying tickets, reserved seating for the best seats cost more than general admission.

I, like most other villagers, want the nightly entertainment at the squares to continue without a charge to anybody attending.

I think the simplest thing is to not put the chairs out in advance of the music starting at 5:00. I think they were doing this at Brownwood and maybe still are doing it:

Put stacks of chairs at the entrance aisles, and have people pick up a chair as they walk in. No person there walking in, no chair given.

Also, prohibit people from coming early and placing their own chairs in the prime viewing areas.

[karostay]

At 3:00 in the afternoon, 80% of the chairs were SAVED by people. No one in sight! Just empty seats, with thin little cushions sitting in them, and some strung together with yarn and string. By 5:15 and 5:30 they were still empty. From 4 til 5, still empty. I sadly watched people stream past, searching for any and all empty chairs. Scanning for any place to sit. I felt so angry at those people who saved chairs at 3 then went off to play a round of golf or have a leisurely supper. I am surprised at the gaul of people to string chairs together, (some 8 or 10 in a row) and or place cushions on chairs 2 to 3 hours before hand. If you want a chair saved, then you best have your butt plopped in the seat. I would like to see management be on duty at 2 until music begins, to stop people from saving chairs then leaving. I suggest that everyone who sees strings or cushions, cut the strings, and move cushions to the wall behind them. Management...this has to stop...what are you afraid of?
What next dog poop

[Jimturner]

I wonder if management knows how many of the residents finds this practice annoying?
Perhaps someone knowledgeable about polls could perform one on here and provide the link to the recreation department when finished.

[dbanks50]

Ah, the age of entitlement! At the very least, signs prohibiting seat reserving might help. I would feel more comfortable unreserving a seat if there were signs.

[janmcn]

I wonder if management knows how many of the residents finds this practice annoying?
Perhaps someone knowledgeable about polls could perform one on here and provide the link to the recreation department when finished.


What does the recreation department have to do with the entertainment in the squares?

[Topspinmo]

Looks like you aroused some of the seat savers. :1rotfl:I agree in your butt not on in it and saving the seat next to you it's open season. As for me I could care less the square go old real quick.:popcorn:

[tuccillo]

This is a common practice with beach chairs at bench resorts: get up at the crack of dawn and put your towel on a chair and then come back much later. The problem is it encourages more and more people to do it as they realize they won't get a chair unless they start doing the same thing. I admit to doing this a few times at beach resorts ;-) There is really no upside to management trying to eliminate this behavior - all it will do is create confrontations and nobody wants to put their employees in a position to have a confrontation with a customer. I would not encourage anyone to remove other peoples string or seat pads - you run the risk of a confrontation that may not end well. I think the only real solution is to bring your own chair. There could be a problem with no space being available for your chair but "it is what it is". My wife and I usually bring foldout chairs with us to the town square but leave them in the cart unless we can't find a seat. I feel sorry for the people who have to plan their lives around having to "reserve" a seat, hours before the entertainment starts at the town squares, in a totally obnoxious manner. I try to be more spontaneous and go with the flow. We always seem to find seats.


At 3:00 in the afternoon, 80% of the chairs were SAVED by people. No one in sight! Just empty seats, with thin little cushions sitting in them, and some strung together with yarn and string. By 5:15 and 5:30 they were still empty. From 4 til 5, still empty. I sadly watched people stream past, searching for any and all empty chairs. Scanning for any place to sit. I felt so angry at those people who saved chairs at 3 then went off to play a round of golf or have a leisurely supper. I am surprised at the gaul of people to string chairs together, (some 8 or 10 in a row) and or place cushions on chairs 2 to 3 hours before hand. If you want a chair saved, then you best have your butt plopped in the seat. I would like to see management be on duty at 2 until music begins, to stop people from saving chairs then leaving. I suggest that everyone who sees strings or cushions, cut the strings, and move cushions to the wall behind them. Management...this has to stop...what are you afraid of?

[twoas1@comcast.net]

wow, a lot of people also don't like seat savers. I don't get angry for myself, but for others who come around at 4 and see nothing available. They walk around and look so sad, as they look out upon a sea of string and cushions. I don't want anything drastic to happen with the strings and cushions and don't want the wrong doers to go to prison. For instance, management is very prevalent the days of parades. They keep a sharp eye out for anyone putting chairs in walkways to keep it clear for dancers etc. There is no reason at all, that 2 people can keep an eye out for these seat-savers from 3 on. They simply see someone placing cushions or stringing chairs, watching to see if they start to walk away, ....THEN approach them and say, "No saving chairs. Policy is: You can save a maximum of 2 chairs IF one person stays and is present to represent the saving of the two chairs."

[PaPaLarry]

This is a common practice with beach chairs at bench resorts: get up at the crack of dawn and put your towel on a chair and then come back much later. The problem is it encourages more and more people to do it as they realize they won't get a chair unless they start doing the same thing. I admit to doing this a few times at beach resorts ;-) There is really no upside to management trying to eliminate this behavior - all it will do is create confrontations and nobody wants to put their employees in a position to have a confrontation with a customer. I would not encourage anyone to remove other peoples string or seat pads - you run the risk of a confrontation that may not end well. I think the only real solution is to bring your own chair. There could be a problem with no space being available for your chair but "it is what it is". My wife and I usually bring foldout chairs with us to the town square but leave them in the cart unless we can't find a seat. I feel sorry for the people who have to plan their lives around having to "reserve" a seat, hours before the entertainment starts at the town squares, in a totally obnoxious manner. I try to be more spontaneous and go with the flow. We always seem to find seats.
Sounds like the best solution is to distribute the chairs @ 5:00pm, as was suggested in one of the posts. Or at least, give it a try. Maybe the POA can work out a solution, or The Association ?

[tomjbud]

I feel sorry for the people who have to plan their lives around having to "reserve" a seat, hours before the entertainment starts at the town squares, in a totally obnoxious manner. I try to be more spontaneous and go with the flow. We always seem to find seats.

What a great philosophy! I'll bet your life is way happier and more fun than those whose life revolves around saving the "best seat". I also try not to let other people's obnoxious behavior get me down - life is too short!:bigbow:

[twoas1@comcast.net]

Orange Vests people need to be more vigilant when there are 300 people in a small area. More and more people are coming to the squares. No injuries so far in confrontations in seat-saving but it will happen. Wow, I can see the headlines now, "Fights and drunken brawls break out among Seniors in the sunshine state, in The Villages." Management and owners, take care. These headlines won't ONLY be in the Daily Sun! Check out Fox and CNN, plus Youtube and facebook when social media get hold of such news. When you have liquor and crowds like last night, you are going to have to quell arguments before they happen. If you don't believe a policy needs to be reinforced, then coolers should be allowed in the squares.

[twoas1@comcast.net]

if we distribute chairs at 5, then you would have mass hysteria. Crowds grabbing chairs and bumping into people. No, the square needs to fill leisurely and without rushing around. Love and care of one another is key. Kindness is the key.

[twoas1@comcast.net]

You are so right. Maybe the orange-vested people don't want to start confrontations and want the citizens to police themselves. So far it has not worked though. Maybe I should just take a deep breath and settle down. We DO bring our own chairs and will continue to do so. I just feel so badly for others. WWJD? He'd try to soften the hearts of the seat savers, and carefully lead management in the proper manner, filled with kindness and goodness. Ahhhhh, THIS '180' feels good this morning. Now to go swimming and golfing with friends. My worries are gone.

[kstew43]

moreover, 1 person, usually a adorable granddaughter, saving 8 seats that are tied together or cushioned. Hard to take the chairs away when an 12 year old is saving the seats for her grandparents.....

[JRichm369]

I agree that this is an obnoxious behavior, I also find it strange that people that are usually so nice and pleasant to be around can be so self centered. I have seen this behavior at church, and other public functions. I have gone to line dancing lessons where there is an open row when you attempt to get in that row you are told that those places are reserved, then when the lesson starts those places are vacant as the expected guests never show up.

[dewilson58]

What next dog poop


What a great idea. Save up some dog stuff, take it to SS and leave a treat on the cushions of the seat savers. Hope my puppy can deliver.

This will start some excitement.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tuccillo]

Prohibiting coolers in the squares is different than a policy on saving seats. The issue of coolers is a "money thing", although I suppose there could be some sort of state law. Reserving seats doesn't impact anyone's bottom line.

Orange Vests people need to be more vigilant when there are 300 people in a small area. More and more people are coming to the squares. No injuries so far in confrontations in seat-saving but it will happen. Wow, I can see the headlines now, "Fights and drunken brawls break out among Seniors in the sunshine state, in The Villages." Management and owners, take care. These headlines won't ONLY be in the Daily Sun! Check out Fox and CNN, plus Youtube and facebook when social media get hold of such news. When you have liquor and crowds like last night, you are going to have to quell arguments before they happen. If you don't believe a policy needs to be reinforced, then coolers should be allowed in the squares.

[twoas1@comcast.net]

Vote here in favor or against: Signs posted in town square, "Saving Chairs is against Village rules." Vote #1,----YES

[twoas1@comcast.net]

You are so right about coolers. If it means losing money, it is reinforced.
So I can assume you vote yes for signs stating that "saving chairs is against Village rules?"

[tuccillo]

The problem with a rule about saving seats is that you have to be very precise on the wording and then enforce it strictly. For example, if we have cushions on our chairs and get up to dance are we saving seats? Are you going to say that no seats can be saved before 5:00PM? If so, you will just get a big influx of people at 5:00PM putting down cushions. I would think that something along the lines of "no string" to save seats would be a good idea - that is truly obnoxious. The biggest problem I see is that there is no upside for management to do anything.


Vote here in favor or against: Signs posted in town square, "Saving Chairs is against Village rules." Vote #1,----YES

[twoas1@comcast.net]

oh...this reply is precious. Of course you can try to save chairs and when someone asks the cute little representative, if someone is sitting there, then at least someone is sitting there to tell people, yes, they are saved, and sorry. With a gentle repore, it is hard to respond negatively. Maybe we should rent cute little girls to sit in the chairs for us. hee hee. I think a sign in the square would be all we need as a non-confrontational reminder to string and cushion chair-savers.

[bobbym]

Just cut the string and find a seat where you can view the savers seats. That happened to a seat saver last night and when the seat saver showed up and found people sitting in her row of seats she put on a show that her Grand children will never forget.

[Radioman41]

We were on a cruise ship several years ago and encountered a similar problem. People would put towels, books, and other items on chairs around the pool early in the morning to reserve seats then leave the pool area to do other things. The ship staff would announce over and over on the PA system that reserving seats is not allowed. The staff would collect all the towels and personal items and put them in a box for people to root through and find their items - they were not happy campers. It didn't solve the problem but did free up seats.

I wonder what would happen if The Villages did the same thing?

[Sandtrap328]

Orange Vests people need to be more vigilant when there are 300 people in a small area. More and more people are coming to the squares. No injuries so far in confrontations in seat-saving but it will happen. Wow, I can see the headlines now, "Fights and drunken brawls break out among Seniors in the sunshine state, in The Villages." Management and owners, take care. These headlines won't ONLY be in the Daily Sun! Check out Fox and CNN, plus Youtube and facebook when social media get hold of such news. When you have liquor and crowds like last night, you are going to have to quell arguments before they happen. If you don't believe a policy needs to be reinforced, then coolers should be allowed in the squares.

I do not know how long you have been in The Villages. I have lived here 5 years. There always is a large crowd when Rocky plays! In snowbird season, the Rocky crowds are HUGE. There is always seat saving when Rocky plays! Get there early around 3, plop yourself in your own chair with a good book and wait. No problem.

I have not seen shoving or fighting at any square by anyone for any reason! I have seen plenty of coolers brought to the squares - including my own. No problem! I have seen people sitting in their golf cart sipping a drink ticketed by police!

Go to the squares early, chill out, and enjoy The Villages!

[twoas1@comcast.net]

You are so right. Maybe, "Please, no PRE-SHOW saving of Seats" Then as time goes along, people know that if one person is sitting in one chair and saving 2 others, it is common courtesy to assume those people are earnest in saving those seats and not chair hogging without representation. It is very easy for anyone to understand which chairs have been abandoned, an which chairs are temporarily left open. BUT then again, we are counting on the hearts of others to be honest and kind. I think most of us retirees are laid back enough to understand and do what is right.

[zonerboy]

I agree. Seat saving at the squares, or at any free event open to the public, is rude and obnoxious behavior.
Just have one question. Who is this "management" that posters are expecting to do something about it?

[spring_chicken]

There are also many rude ones who don't save seats. They come and stand directly between me and the stage while I'm sitting on one of the benches watching the show. One stood with her fanny no less than 2 feet from my face, as I sat hoping that they didn't eat at Ay Jalisco.

[DonH57]

We were on a cruise ship several years ago and encountered a similar problem. People would put towels, books, and other items on chairs around the pool early in the morning to reserve seats then leave the pool area to do other things. The ship staff would announce over and over on the PA system that reserving seats is not allowed. The staff would collect all the towels and personal items and put them in a box for people to root through and find their items - they were not happy campers. It didn't solve the problem but did free up seats.

I wonder what would happen if The Villages did the same thing?

That would be a good start. First use a collection bin for all the cushions, strings, and rope. After one week start putting them in the trash. Doubtful it would work but it would be worth a shot. Quite frankly there is no rules enforcement.

[Polar Bear]

Just curious...what if somebody comes to the squares and the only empty seats are in a long row of reserved seats. They simply remove a couple cushions or move the string and sit down. The seat savers would not have a leg to stand on. I can't believe they would make a scene. Is this ever done?

[Sandtrap328]

Just curious...what if somebody comes to the squares and the only empty seats are in a long row of reserved seats. They simply remove a couple cushions or move the string and sit down. The seat savers would not have a leg to stand on. I can't believe they would make a scene. Is this ever done?

I have not seen it done in my 5 years here. You are right that "they would not have a leg to stand on" but you very well might start a loud arguement with a stranger. Why bother with that? Get there early, sit down in your own chair, have a beer, talk with others, make a new friend and relax.

[DonH57]

There are also many rude ones who don't save seats. They come and stand directly between me and the stage while I'm sitting on one of the benches watching the show. One stood with her fanny no less than 2 feet from my face, as I sat hoping that they didn't eat at Ay Jalisco.

I would not hope for that either....:1rotfl:

[gerryann]

I do not know how long you have been in The Villages. I have lived here 5 years. There always is a large crowd when Rocky plays! In snowbird season, the Rocky crowds are HUGE. There is always seat saving when Rocky plays! Get there early around 3, plop yourself in your own chair with a good book and wait. No problem.

I have not seen shoving or fighting at any square by anyone for any reason! I have seen plenty of coolers brought to the squares - including my own. No problem! I have seen people sitting in their golf cart sipping a drink ticketed by police!

Go to the squares early, chill out, and enjoy The Villages!

Sitting in the seat isn't saving it. If you leave some property on it and leave, that's saving it and is RUDE and unacceptable......I don't care how long anyone has lived here.

[tuccillo]

I believe there is a fundamental difference between roping off a bunch of seats with string as opposed to putting a cushion on a seat. If the seats are roped off then there is clearly nobody using the seats and they are obnoxiously being reserved. With cushions, as far as I know, the person is actively using the seat and perhaps just went to the rest room or went to get a drink. However, if you see 20 seats in a row with cushions you can probably assume the same obnoxious behavior as is a string was put up. I would not touch someone's cushions. If you removed someone's string, I would not see an issue although I personally would not do it.

Just curious...what if somebody comes to the squares and the only empty seats are in a long row of reserved seats. They simply remove a couple cushions or move the string and sit down. The seat savers would not have a leg to stand on. I can't believe they would make a scene. Is this ever done?

[JRichm369]

Most people are reasonable, if the position of the governing body is that saving seats is forbidden then reasonable people will at least reluctantly comply. Unreasonable people are unreasonable, and will hopefully remain in the minority.

[Bogie Shooter]

Posting all these suggestions on this forum may make you feel good but will accomplish nothing. A poll will also accomplish nothing.
The squares entertainment is controlled by the The Villages Entertainment Department.
You can send them an email with your concerns/suggestions, maybe if enough emails are sent something will happen...................

CONTACT - The Villages Entertainment * Special Events * Box Office (http://thevillagesentertainment.com/contact)

[twoas1@comcast.net]

You are right, "Most people are reasonable." Guess I need to hope this discussion spreads around enough to help the unreasonable people look in the mirror.

[graciegirl]

You are right, "Most people are reasonable." Guess I need to hope this discussion spreads around enough to help the unreasonable people look in the mirror.

Don't hold your breath.

And I think that the general atmosphere around here from The Villages is to instruct and ask politely but not enforce.

If you went toe to toe with some people, they would take it to gunfire. That is the truth. Some people are just damn mean and stubborn.

[DonH57]

In the rare event we would go to the squares we bring our own folding chairs.

[2BNTV]

Posting all these suggestions on this forum may make you feel good but will accomplish nothing. A poll will also accomplish nothing.
The squares entertainment is controlled by the The Villages Entertainment Department.
You can send them an email with your concerns/suggestions, maybe if enough emails are sent something will happen...................

CONTACT - The Villages Entertainment * Special Events * Box Office (http://thevillagesentertainment.com/contact)

Thanks for the link. I posted some remedial suggestions.

I hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears.

BTW - I am not holding my breath.

[perrjojo]

Posting all these suggestions on this forum may make you feel good but will accomplish nothing. A poll will also accomplish nothing.
The squares entertainment is controlled by the The Villages Entertainment Department.
You can send them an email with your concerns/suggestions, maybe if enough emails are sent something will happen...................

CONTACT - The Villages Entertainment * Special Events * Box Office (http://thevillagesentertainment.com/contact)h

Thank you for the link. I have emailed them and will let you know if I get a response.

[Bavarian]

Reptiles:
On Holland America, a seat with a towel on it but not used has towel removed. Policy.
If you see a row of seats strung together, accidently drop the string from the end and sit there, say it was that way when you got there. Let the cushions fall somewhere not readily visible. Plead innocence. If no chairs till 5 is a mad house, have staff remove all strings and cushions before that time. What I think when I see these reserved rows? These people have a lot of acquaintances and want to boast about it.
Time to bring your own chair.

[Jimturner]

Don't hold your breath.

And I think that the general atmosphere around here from The Villages is to instruct and ask politely but not enforce.

If you went toe to toe with some people, they would take it to gunfire. That is the truth. Some people are just damn mean and stubborn.

Florida's hold your ground law is still in affect is it not. Peal these bullies to account for their actions. With permit, can you carry in the squares?

[sunny46]

Why don't all of us actually call event staff? If they get calls from all of us, maybe something will be done!
Because of this, I never go to the squares anymore especially while certain seasonal "guests" are here.

[bobbym]

Thank you for the link.

[graciegirl]

Why don't all of us actually call event staff? If they get calls from all of us, maybe something will be done!
Because of this, I never go to the squares anymore especially while certain seasonal "guests" are here.


I am not challenging you when I ask, WHAT do you think that the event staff could do that would not cause a real awful terrible confrontation?

I vote for signs. I vote for stacked chairs, but I know this. People bent on having their way will have their way. And gentle, well raised people will let them.

I don't go anymore either.

[golf2140]

It's that time of year!

[kstew43]

if you dance all the time you wouldnt need a seat....

[CFrance]

throw the crap in the trash an sit in the seat.
Be sure to put your dog up into a seat also.
The haters don't like to see a dog walking around up there.
That way you are meeting them 1/2 way :1rotfl:
Cisco, there's two bag chairs in the garage.:icon_wink:

[CFrance]

Florida's hold your ground law is still in affect is it not. Peal these bullies to account for their actions. With permit, can you carry in the squares?
Holy cow.

[Jimturner]

Holy cow.

LOL
I am exaggerating, but do feel, if someone is overstepping their authority, we should all stand in front of them and say enough already.
Saving seats for hours is selfish, and gives the appearance of saying I AM MORE DESERVING THAN YOU. People that do that kind of things would make perfect guests on Jerry Springer.
I would applause the man or women with the grit to do something about this selfish behavior.

[Cisco Kid]

Cisco, there's two bag chairs in the garage.:icon_wink:

Why whatever do you mean :icon_wink:

[Harry Gilbert]

You're all missing the obvious solution;

Get a few people together for breakfast then go to each of the squares and reserve ALL of the seats, Not missing a single one. Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Might take a couple of times doing this but it WILL get the attention of somebody in charge.

[CFrance]

Why whatever do you mean :icon_wink:
You'll have to hold the puppers!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Ok, let's get to the root of the real problem. Has no one got the nerve to stand up to these people with the mentality of kindergarten kids? "This seat's saved, this seat's saved"! I mean, seriously? You're grown up and paid your dues; let the "saving" people know that you're there to watch the event and if it means getting there a little early to get a seat, have them tell their friends to do the same.

Do. not. be. bullied. by. these. babies.

[PaPaLarry]

Posting all these suggestions on this forum may make you feel good but will accomplish nothing. A poll will also accomplish nothing.
The squares entertainment is controlled by the The Villages Entertainment Department.
You can send them an email with your concerns/suggestions, maybe if enough emails are sent something will happen...................

CONTACT - The Villages Entertainment * Special Events * Box Office (http://thevillagesentertainment.com/contact)
Just sent them a note. Hope it helps.

[joldnol]

We are relative newbies. The only time we had a problem is when we sat on the benches in Brownwood. I leave my wife to stand in line at the Bar and when I come back, the area is roped off. I sat down by my wife and she said this lady came up while I was in line and told my wife that the area was reserved for a singles group. Being handicapped my wife did not get up and she told me the lady looked at her like she was being rude for not leaving a previously undesignated area. The rest of our time there people rudely stared at us. Lesson learned, We now carry two wonderfully comfortable folding chairs and we bring premixed drinks in tumblers

[Wandatime]

This one is a toughie. If I had a seat and an obviously handicapped person was walking around looking for a seat I would immediately give it to him/her, no question.

On the other hand, if I walked in at 5 PM and there was a sea of reserved seats but no "sitters" I would be put out (Southern for p***ed).

Here is the problem for me: I don't know if an individual reserved seat is for someone with a walker, on oxygen, exceedingly pregnant, etc. or if it is for someone who is just a jerk. If I throw a cushion on a chair into the bushes, am I taking away a moment of fun that guy on oxygen that can barely make it to the square may have? Or am I giving the finger to the entitled moron? I don't know.

So I think MY answer is to take my own seat to the square or go in the off season when there is plenty of room.

[iaasah]

How about one person seating can hold three more seats. If you need 16 four people need to be there?

[rdhdleo]

We went with friends to Rocky and the Rollers in Spanish Springs last night and came after they started, we with friends in visiting from out of town. We all brought our own chairs and sat just just outside the square and were fine. I absolutely agree saving seats is rude and anal and something should be done especially when it happens hours before then entertainment! Someone seems to imply it was the 'seasonal people" doing this but I feel you will find it is most likely the full time residents doing it because they feel entitled! Tonight we went to LSL for Rocky and again brought our own chairs, we found a nice spot for them and left to grab a quick bite before the show. So yes we "saved" a part of the concrete but they were are own chairs. Hmmm was this bad? LOL

[The Buckeyes]

Only solution is to chain the chairs together and unlock them about 4:15-4:30! Problem solved!!!

[blueeagle65]

Unacceptable behavior. If there is no 'occupant' in the chair then it is NOT saved. No more discussion.

[2BNTV]

Unacceptable behavior. If there is no 'occupant' in the chair then it is NOT saved. No more discussion.

:agree:

One fanny in seat equals it being reserved!!!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Pointer]

I happened to stay after a class check out the vendors in the square at spanish springs and bought a glass of beer look for a seat just to relax and enjoy. It was about an hour before a performance and I noticed that two whole rows of chairs were strung together in front. As the time grew closer a small group of four were trying to find seats together. I offered to move further back so they could and it made me feel good to see how happy they were and I got lots of warm smiles for the gesture.

A while latter another group of people came, a grandpa and grandma, and their son and his wife and two kids. The wife was pregnant and they were trying to navigate waiting on lines for the food for the kids, when the dad and then grandma came back there weren't' enough seats so I insisted they at least take mine as I wasn't going to stay and could sit on the wall. Another happy group even though one of the children had to sit on a lap.
The band is setting up and in comes the group of chair savers and they start to remove the strings as they appear. Now they have the front two rows to themselves with about six chairs to many for their group to even use and are completely oblivious to the people around them, until a couple of women who found a few single empty chairs and have the idea to put them together in front of the chair savers. Well all hell breaks out and they start yelling at the ladies that they can't put their chairs in front of them. This one guy who is at least six feet tall starts shoving the chair away and telling her she needs to learn the rules and that they've been here for 4 yrs. The wife and another person grabs the guy and pull him back from pushing this woman when she holds her chair and her ground and she says "You need to learn some manners and I've been here for 12 yrs"!
Even though it was a bit scary when he stated to shove her, I was so glad she stood her ground and I think the people around me were too.

I think the stringing of chairs is something that could be addressed maybe with a post it sign letting people know that it's unacceptable to tie chairs together and can result in removal. I had a notice that I parked a golf cart in a place they gathered I didn't in a parking lot and I was grateful to know this so I didn't make that mistake again. It looked like a ticket and I was so happy it was just an informative reminder.

[graciegirl]

I happened to stay after a class check out the vendors in the square at spanish springs and bought a glass of beer look for a seat just to relax and enjoy. It was about an hour before a performance and I noticed that two whole rows of chairs were strung together in front. As the time grew closer a small group of four were trying to find seats together. I offered to move further back so they could and it made me feel good to see how happy they were and I got lots of warm smiles for the gesture.

A while latter another group of people came, a grandpa and grandma, and their son and his wife and two kids. The wife was pregnant and they were trying to navigate waiting on lines for the food for the kids, when the dad and then grandma came back there weren't' enough seats so I insisted they at least take mine as I wasn't going to stay and could sit on the wall. Another happy group even though one of the children had to sit on a lap.
The band is setting up and in comes the group of chair savers and they start to remove the strings as they appear. Now they have the front two rows to themselves with about six chairs to many for their group to even use and are completely oblivious to the people around them, until a couple of women who found a few single empty chairs and have the idea to put them together in front of the chair savers. Well all hell breaks out and they start yelling at the ladies that they can't put their chairs in front of them. This one guy who is at least six feet tall starts shoving the chair away and telling her she needs to learn the rules and that they've been here for 4 yrs. The wife and another person grabs the guy and pull him back from pushing this woman when she holds her chair and her ground and she says "You need to learn some manners and I've been here for 12 yrs"!
Even though it was a bit scary when he stated to shove her, I was so glad she stood her ground and I think the people around me were too.

I think the stringing of chairs is something that could be addressed maybe with a post it sign letting people know that it's unacceptable to tie chairs together and can result in removal. I had a notice that I parked a golf cart in a place they gathered I didn't in a parking lot and I was grateful to know this so I didn't make that mistake again. It looked like a ticket and I was so happy it was just an informative reminder.


I want to hug you. Your mom did a fine job with her kids.

Happy New Year nice person.

[Bay Kid]

I have a chair saved on the front row at each square...I'll be back in a few weeks....

My 2 cents is nobody should save seats for over a couple of minutes.

[CFrance]

I happened to stay after a class check out the vendors in the square at spanish springs and bought a glass of beer look for a seat just to relax and enjoy. It was about an hour before a performance and I noticed that two whole rows of chairs were strung together in front. As the time grew closer a small group of four were trying to find seats together. I offered to move further back so they could and it made me feel good to see how happy they were and I got lots of warm smiles for the gesture.

A while latter another group of people came, a grandpa and grandma, and their son and his wife and two kids. The wife was pregnant and they were trying to navigate waiting on lines for the food for the kids, when the dad and then grandma came back there weren't' enough seats so I insisted they at least take mine as I wasn't going to stay and could sit on the wall. Another happy group even though one of the children had to sit on a lap.
The band is setting up and in comes the group of chair savers and they start to remove the strings as they appear. Now they have the front two rows to themselves with about six chairs to many for their group to even use and are completely oblivious to the people around them, until a couple of women who found a few single empty chairs and have the idea to put them together in front of the chair savers. Well all hell breaks out and they start yelling at the ladies that they can't put their chairs in front of them. This one guy who is at least six feet tall starts shoving the chair away and telling her she needs to learn the rules and that they've been here for 4 yrs. The wife and another person grabs the guy and pull him back from pushing this woman when she holds her chair and her ground and she says "You need to learn some manners and I've been here for 12 yrs"!
Even though it was a bit scary when he stated to shove her, I was so glad she stood her ground and I think the people around me were too.

I think the stringing of chairs is something that could be addressed maybe with a post it sign letting people know that it's unacceptable to tie chairs together and can result in removal. I had a notice that I parked a golf cart in a place they gathered I didn't in a parking lot and I was grateful to know this so I didn't make that mistake again. It looked like a ticket and I was so happy it was just an informative reminder.
What a great story, Pointer. You are a good person.

We don't go to the squares during the winter season because of the crowds. We can go in the summer and not encounter any of this brouhaha, and it leaves two more seats for the people who only stay during the winter. But I do think it's high time time the entertainment dept. addressed this situation. Don't give the chairs out till an hour before the performances.

[leftyf]

Maybe a Villages ID should be required to reserve a chair?

[Uberschaf]

The town squares are developer owned and operated.They have nothing to do with your villages ID or your amenities fees.

[onslowe]

It's not a matter of villager or non-villager. No saving chairs. It's rude and almost incredibly selfish.

[twoas1@comcast.net]

I will do you one better. Everyone, if you like, use my inquiry by copying and pasting, to save time.

Please see that over 4,000 people have read and responded to "Saving Seats in Spanish Springs Square." We wish for you to take care of this obnoxious and rude behavior accordingly. I don't have all the answers, but this is rediculous. 80% of the chairs saved two hours in advance, and then abandoned! Roped off and or cushions placed on chairs should not be allowed and signs don't help,...we need representatives to do what they do during parade and other big events, (like making aisles for dancers, keeping all aisles clear,) and be present to catch these seat savers before they abandon their chairs. We have noted that some chair hoggers turn up a half-hour after the show begins.

Send this to the Villages ticket Office

[graciegirl]

I will do you one better. Everyone, if you like, use my inquiry by copying and pasting, to save time.

Please see that over 4,000 people have read and responded to "Saving Seats in Spanish Springs Square." We wish for you to take care of this obnoxious and rude behavior accordingly. I don't have all the answers, but this is rediculous. 80% of the chairs saved two hours in advance, and then abandoned! Roped off and or cushions placed on chairs should not be allowed and signs don't help,...we need representatives to do what they do during parade and other big events, (like making aisles for dancers, keeping all aisles clear,) and be present to catch these seat savers before they abandon their chairs. We have noted that some chair hoggers turn up a half-hour after the show begins.

Send this to the Villages ticket Office

But WHAT exactly do you want THE VILLAGES to do? They aren't harsh or confrontational on anything. Think about the pool exercisers who won't stop. Think about the people who put dumb stuff in their yard until villagers report them. They expect us to act like adults rather than children who need playground monitors.

Will you ask for signs? (I think signs would be a good idea) Will you ask for the chairs stacked until used? (I like that one too.} OR..............Do you want the entertainment people to remove cushions and ropes? Do you want them to tell people to not save seats? This would require a bunch of folks hired that they do not have now. The merchants pay for the music, would you rather have the music OR the chairs policed? Policing chairs is going to cost somebody money...and may make changes in the entertainment.

HOW do you see this solved???? HOW exactly? Also consider this, when some people get a few drinks in them, they become less reasonable and could decide to punch someone....

[Average Guy]

First, let me say that I am against people saving seats by tying chairs together or putting cushions on the chairs in advance of the start of the performances.

But, I wonder if there is actually a policy that prohibits seat saving. If not, then as much as people hate it, it could not be stopped until a policy is created. That might be the first step in dealing with this issue.

[Bogie Shooter]

First, let me say that I am against people saving seats by tying chairs together or putting cushions on the chairs in advance of the start of the performances.

But, I wonder if there is actually a policy that prohibits seat saving. If not, then as much as people hate it, it could not be stopped until a policy is created. That might be the first step in dealing with this issue.

No.

[Chi-Town]

I think a few free beers would entice some civic minded individuals to provide a little assistance in curbing the rule violators. Worked well at Altamont during a musical night.

[Bavarian]

This is also a problem at Lake Sumter.
One idea is to have a wingman take the strings off where you want to sit, while you clear their area. Plausible denial.
Why not have staff take all ropes off right before performance starts? Would not take too long and could give some people minimum wage jobs.

I thought I hear that the performances paid by Sumter County.

This chair holding hurts the merchants as people will be less likely to go to the square for shopping maybe eating if they can't stay for show.

So this happens elsewhere. Where we came from and still have a house for sale, during Summer the Collage puts on free Symphony Concerts, bring your own chairs. Many food trucks come in to make money too. People come early, spread out big blanket to mark their space. My wife and I always tried to get early to get could place right by the stage. In the back you couldn't hear the music. Too much partyering. We tried once holding place for cousins, and had to battle over extra space.

Hadsimilar problem in Church when first moved to MD. Got there early, sat down and much later a family said it was their pew. Well, where I came from, first come. Whispered to her whole Church was empty. Then she sat on one side, her husband pushed in on the other then they kept bumping me to move. I observed where there was space for next time.

These people are everywhere.

[TheVillageChicken]

First, let me say that I am against people saving seats by tying chairs together or putting cushions on the chairs in advance of the start of the performances.

But, I wonder if there is actually a policy that prohibits seat saving. If not, then as much as people hate it, it could not be stopped until a policy is created. That might be the first step in dealing with this issue.

Yes there is
a policy (http://www.thevillagesentertainment.com/faq)

[janmcn]

Yes there is
a policy (http://www.thevillagesentertainment.com/faq)


Only one person has to remain with saved seats, and there is no limit to the number of seats that may be saved, according to this policy.

The problem with not releasing the chairs until almost starting time is that people with their own chairs will take up all the available space.

[CFrance]

But WHAT exactly do you want THE VILLAGES to do? They aren't harsh or confrontational on anything. Think about the pool exercisers who won't stop. Think about the people who put dumb stuff in their yard until villagers report them. They expect us to act like adults rather than children who need playground monitors.

Will you ask for signs? (I think signs would be a good idea) Will you ask for the chairs stacked until used? (I like that one too.} OR..............Do you want the entertainment people to remove cushions and ropes? Do you want them to tell people to not save seats? This would require a bunch of folks hired that they do not have now. The merchants pay for the music, would you rather have the music OR the chairs policed? Policing chairs is going to cost somebody money...and may make changes in the entertainment.

HOW do you see this solved???? HOW exactly? Also consider this, when some people get a few drinks in them, they become less reasonable and could decide to punch someone....
I like your first two ideas, Gracie. Signs, and keep the chairs stacked & tied off somehow till someone from the entertainment dept. releases them.

Someone has posted a link to the FAQ page about the square entertainment, which states that the roping off of seats prior to the entertainment is not allowed. What I would like to see TV do in the case of these "entitlement" issues is to come down on the side of the majority of the residents as opposed to not wanting to anger a few.

In other words, enforce their own rules. I understood that they were going to do something about the pool issue. But they would not have to anger anyone over the seat saving issue if they would simply secure the chairs until an hour before the entertainment.

[twoas1@comcast.net]

So now you have tents surrounding the square, selling wares, plus liquor stands, plus all those golf carts and cars, nosed right up to the side of the square, PLUS about 300 people waiting in line just for chairs to be released. The lines would be a mess and people would be fighting because someone pushed in front of them. I doubt that anything will be done. But if someone DOES save seats improperly, (as mentioned in past posts) just say to them, "4 thousand people have discussed this in Talk of the Villages. No saving. It is the policy of The Villages."

[Sandtrap328]

But if someone DOES save seats improperly, (as mentioned in past posts) just say to them, "4 thousand people have discussed this in Talk of the Villages. No saving. It is the policy of The Villages."

...and they will say to you, "Just get here early, like I did." Nothing more can be said or done.

[Indydealmaker]

Sound like we have our very own "entitlement" problems here in The Villages. Whatever you get for free, you take for granted and are prone to abuse.

I have always favored charging for advance seating. I guarantee that will solve this problem.

[VT2TV]

I agree. Seat saving at the squares, or at any free event open to the public, is rude and obnoxious behavior.
Just have one question. Who is this "management" that posters are expecting to do something about it?



That is a question I have been asking for years. There was 1 incident when I was sitting in my seat, and people were drunk and stumbling by me with a alcohol in 1 hand, and a lit candle in another-almost fell on top of me. If they had fallen, myself and anyone around me would have gone up in flames. I was so angry that I went to find someone to report her to because she was sooo drunk. I could not find anyone. The next day, just because I didn't know who to call, I went to the sales center to ask who I would call if anything like that happened, and I was told to just call the police. I don't know if that would even work, but who would someone call if there was an actual problem that the Villages needs to address???? I have never gotten an answer, most people shrug and say they have no idea.


Back to the seat saving, I would like to see it just be a rule that everyone brought their own chairs, and there was no provided seating. Or for those that didn't have their own chairs, have a few that maybe a volunteer could collect a dollar for the chair and the chair would have to be returned for a refund. And maybe have a limit of 4 chairs that anyone could get from that.

[Bonanza]

I like your first two ideas, Gracie. Signs, and keep the chairs stacked & tied off somehow till someone from the entertainment dept. releases them.

Someone has posted a link to the FAQ page about the square entertainment, which states that the roping off of seats prior to the entertainment is not allowed. What I would like to see TV do in the case of these "entitlement" issues is to come down on the side of the majority of the residents as opposed to not wanting to anger a few.

In other words, enforce their own rules. I understood that they were going to do something about the pool issue. But they would not have to anger anyone over the seat saving issue if they would simply secure the chairs until an hour before the entertainment.

So now you have tents surrounding the square, selling wares, plus liquor stands, plus all those golf carts and cars, nosed right up to the side of the square, PLUS about 300 people waiting in line just for chairs to be released. The lines would be a mess and people would be fighting because someone pushed in front of them. I doubt that anything will be done. But if someone DOES save seats improperly, (as mentioned in past posts) just say to them, "4 thousand people have discussed this in Talk of the Villages. No saving. It is the policy of The Villages."

I am in total agreement regarding the signs and they should be placed EVERYWHERE around the Squares during entertainment nights.

Insofar as stacked chairs are concerned, that will never work. It would only cause bedlam. It could never be the calm process that those in favor of it imagine.

[Bonanza]

Back to the seat saving, I would like to see it just be a rule that everyone brought their own chairs, and there was no provided seating. Or for those that didn't have their own chairs, have a few that maybe a volunteer could collect a dollar for the chair and the chair would have to be returned for a refund. And maybe have a limit of 4 chairs that anyone could get from that.

If everyone brought their own chairs, it would be a mess with people forming their own seating arrangements.

A volunteer collecting $1.00 for a chair???
I don't know which is funnier -- the volunteer or the $1.00.
And then to give the $1.00 refund?
Until what time would the volunteer have to stay to issue each refund?

Uhhhh . . . I don't think so.

[Kahuna32162]

Didn't really have this problem all summer.....wonder why 😺

[graciegirl]

I am in total agreement regarding the signs and they should be placed EVERYWHERE around the Squares during entertainment nights.

Insofar as stacked chairs are concerned, that will never work. It would only cause bedlam. It could never be the calm process that those in favor of it imagine.


I know I said that about the signs, but apparently some have researched that there is no rule about saving seats.

Which goes back to the matter that the developers don't seem to want confrontations with people and expect us to behave like adults.

WHO would want to get into pointing out the rules to some guy who has always had a chip on his shoulder and has a snoot full?

I say.....to all....just act like you were born and raised in OHIO. Be nice, even if you don't feel nice. You can't have everything you want. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Try to think of others. You aren't the only one in this family. You don't live alone, you know.... Do unto others.

Sermon over. I feel better.

[Walter123]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;989096]

I say.....to all....just act like you were born and raised in OHIO.

Imagine that. Everyone acting like they are from OHIO! How boring would that be!

[CFrance]

I know I said that about the signs, but apparently some have researched that there is no rule about saving seats.

Which goes back to the matter that the developers don't seem to want confrontations with people and expect us to behave like adults.

WHO would want to get into pointing out the rules to some guy who has always had a chip on his shoulder and has a snoot full?

I say.....to all....just act like you were born and raised in OHIO. Be nice, even if you don't feel nice. You can't have everything you want. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Try to think of others. You aren't the only one in this family. You don't live alone, you know.... Do unto others.

Sermon over. I feel better.
Gracie, they ARE doing unto others. They're taking seat space before others can!:cus:

Someone a thousand posts ago gave a link to the rule. FAQ - The Villages Entertainment * Special Events * Box Office (http://www.thevillagesentertainment.com/faq)

There's a solution to everything. Somebody in the entertainment dept. just has to man up and institute one for this problem. People are just not going to play nice like Ohioans.

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;989096]

I say.....to all....just act like you were born and raised in OHIO.

Imagine that. Everyone acting like they are from OHIO! How boring would that be!


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[dnobles]

I agree I bet most of them live outside the villages too

[ROCKETMAN]

After reading all the posts, here are my comments. First 0f all entertainment dept., not rec. dept is in charge of town squares during the hours of 4-9. Not long ago maybe a month there were village employees at sumter landing patroling during the music making sure chairs were not set up in isles or in the middle of the dance floor. Did not see them tuesday night when rocky was there. Second, bring your own chairs and put them where you want as long as there is room. If you are saving seats i have no problem as long as someone in the group is sitting there and it is not an unreasonable number of seats, no more than 10. One thing at spanish springs people rope of seats or even sit there and they automatically think they are the front row, when there is still plenty of room in front of them for people to use there own chairs. But until entertainment dept. does something to make rules covering saving chairs, you have to wing it on your own.

[Bonny]

I would think it would be reasonable for someone to save 4 chairs as long as one person was there. That would be a chair for a spouse, or friend, and 2 for 2 other friends.

[TheVillageChicken]

I am pretty sure all the seat savers are paid operatives working for the Stonecrest POA.

[blueash]

I read the posted cut and paste of the policy. The problem is even after reading it, the rule is unclear.

Q: May we rope off a group of chairs prior to an event?

A: No. Roping or taping chairs together inhibits event setup. If you need to hold chairs, at least one person in your party needs to be with your chairs at all times.

So it is clear that one person needs to stay, but no limit on quantity. No roping or taping but is that rule over once setup is complete? And what does setup mean? There is no setup after the chairs are deployed which would seem to suggest that the reason for prohibition of roping or taping is no longer supported once the chairs are down. And no one is saving chairs until they are there.


Rewrite the rule. I don't care what the parameters are, but it should be clear, and no one seems to have found an enforcement mechanism. If there is a rule that says you may not tape, but there is no "and if you tape here is what we will do" then the rule is toothless. And here we also have postings about people having the discourtesy to stand in front of where you sit, or put a chair in front of my chair, or .... which is why no rule will likely ever meaningfully be applied as it just invites the next complaint.

How about jumbotrons so everyone can see the singers, and of course wifi earsets so we can all hear also, and nicer dance surfaces, and more comfortable chairs because the hard plastic ones are no good, and I saw a dog in a chair do something!! Ohio people are well known for their courtesy and good behavior in situations with open seating and musical performances. Just ask Roger Daltrey.

[Bonny]

I agree I bet most of them live outside the villages too
Actually most of them are Villagers.

[graciegirl]

Actually most of them are Villagers.

I think that they are short term renters. Not that I am against renters, but they don't act like they have a vested interest in our community.

[Bonny]

I think that they are short term renters. Not that I am against renters, but they don't act like they have a vested interest in our community.
Several from the line dance classes do this. Especially when Scooter is there.
There is also a group of people that go on the Rocky cruises and follow the band that do this so they can all sit together.

[Tucker's Mom]

I agree! Tucker's mom

[DougB]

I would think it would be reasonable for someone to save 4 chairs as long as one person was there. That would be a chair for a spouse, or friend, and 2 for 2 other friends.

Saw a couple in front of me get up and ask the couple next to them to save their seats until they got back because they were going over to City Fire for dinner. How would this fit into your scenario of as long as one person stayed there?

[katsudden]

The problem with a rule about saving seats is that you have to be very precise on the wording and then enforce it strictly. For example, if we have cushions on our chairs and get up to dance are we saving seats? Are you going to say that no seats can be saved before 5:00PM? If so, you will just get a big influx of people at 5:00PM putting down cushions. I would think that something along the lines of "no string" to save seats would be a good idea - that is truly obnoxious. The biggest problem I see is that there is no upside for management to do anything.

I have had strings cut off of my "seat savers" and then they were thrown in the bushes near me. New people in our chairs didn't know anything as the seats were empty when they arrived. I have seen people take seat covers off seats and put them to the side and sit down. When the others came back and confronted them the new people "knew nothing." I have heard people complain about there not being enough village chairs to sit in because they were saved, yet they complain when people want to bring their own chairs because they pick the "prime" spots. I say let's just have a "free for all". First come, first serve. No chairs put out. If you get there early and put out a blanket, or your own chair, it's your spot. Just like for fireworks at the park.

[katsudden]

That is a question I have been asking for years. There was 1 incident when I was sitting in my seat, and people were drunk and stumbling by me with a alcohol in 1 hand, and a lit candle in another-almost fell on top of me. If they had fallen, myself and anyone around me would have gone up in flames. I was so angry that I went to find someone to report her to because she was sooo drunk. I could not find anyone. The next day, just because I didn't know who to call, I went to the sales center to ask who I would call if anything like that happened, and I was told to just call the police. I don't know if that would even work, but who would someone call if there was an actual problem that the Villages needs to address???? I have never gotten an answer, most people shrug and say they have no idea.


Back to the seat saving, I would like to see it just be a rule that everyone brought their own chairs, and there was no provided seating. Or for those that didn't have their own chairs, have a few that maybe a volunteer could collect a dollar for the chair and the chair would have to be returned for a refund. And maybe have a limit of 4 chairs that anyone could get from that.

Charging a dollar for a chair rental is not asking too much at all. And, they could start at 3pm when the "early birds" might wish to save seats. But, do you suppose that they'll need to still calm everyone down because some people came at 3pm and "saved seats in the prime spots," even though they paid the rental fee?

[katsudden]

I agree with you whole heartedly! Truthfully, it's more than gaul. It's even beyond unmitigated nerve. I don't know why management (whomever they are) doesn't put a stop to this. The only way to really make it stop is exactly what you said. Remove the "protection" that people place on the chairs and sit there. What are they going to say? Why is everyone scared to death to do that?

A similar thing happened to me at a Costco. I was alone and had just picked up a hot dog and soda. I looked around and there was not one empty table available. I saw a woman sitting at a table with no food. I asked her if someone was sitting there, thinking she just might be taking it easy. She said her husband was in line waiting to order. I looked at her and said, "oh, so why you are simply sitting there reserving a seat and have no food, that makes it okay while I have hot food in my hand and no place to sit." I sat down in the seat and she, obviously very annoyed, got up." She didn't say a word and neither did I, but I knew she was furious. Too bad. Some people just don't get it. The word rude and inconsiderate simply isn't in their vocabulary.

Good Grief!!!!I would say that the words rude and inconsiderate aren't in YOUR vocabulary! You don't know if she had a bad back, sore hip, knee replacement, or, OK, just needed to sit down. You verbally attacked her for doing nothing but sitting down peacefully and waiting for her husband. You were the one confronting! Anyone would have been annoyed with you. You might have said, "do you mind if I sit for a moment to eat my hotdog? I'll be glad to get up when your husband comes. How are you doing today?" Oh, she got it all right. You are the one who doesn't get it.

[leftyf]

Remember, the Villagers don't own the Town Squares, they have no more rights there than the outsiders. These are not my words, just what everyone else is saying. Personally, I have never sat in a chair at any town square. BORING!!!

[Happinow]

Good Grief!!!!I would say that the words rude and inconsiderate aren't in YOUR vocabulary! You don't know if she had a bad back, sore hip, knee replacement, or, OK, just needed to sit down. You verbally attacked her for doing nothing but sitting down peacefully and waiting for her husband. You were the one confronting! Anyone would have been annoyed with you. You might have said, "do you mind if I sit for a moment to eat my hotdog? I'll be glad to get up when your husband comes. How are you doing today?" Oh, she got it all right. You are the one who doesn't get it.

Bonanza, how many times have you gone to a fast food place with someone and one of you orders the meal and the other gets a table? That's your right to go get a table...you're going to sit and eat. Most of us have done that several times, myself included. My husband will go order the food and I'll go get us a table. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if I go an hour before lunch and siit to hold the table until I'm ready to eat an hour later that's a different story. When you are in line waitng for food it's perfectly ok for one to grab a table to sit at.

[missypie]

I agree! Tucker's mom

Bonanza, how many times have you gone to a fast food place with someone and one of you orders the meal and the other gets a table? That's your right to go get a table...you're going to sit and eat. Most of us have done that several times, myself included. My husband will go order the food and I'll go get us a table. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if I go an hour before lunch and siit to hold the table until I'm ready to eat an hour later that's a different story. When you are in line waitng for food it's perfectly ok for one to grab a table to sit at.

Totally agree.

[perrjojo]

I agree I bet most of them live outside the villages too
Sorry to disagree. I can't speak for all chair savers but there is a group of TV line dancers that save two front rows of chairs at nearly every event. Many seats remain vacant but they are save for this special group. You will see their chairs saved in the same spot most nights.

[DougB]

I have had strings cut off of my "seat savers" and then they were thrown in the bushes near me............

That was probably me.

[KeepingItReal]

Bonanza, how many times have you gone to a fast food place with someone and one of you orders the meal and the other gets a table? That's your right to go get a table...you're going to sit and eat. Most of us have done that several times, myself included. My husband will go order the food and I'll go get us a table. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if I go an hour before lunch and siit to hold the table until I'm ready to eat an hour later that's a different story. When you are in line waitng for food it's perfectly ok for one to grab a table to sit at.

This would not be OK according to new signs just put up at McAlisters Deli in Brownwood right inside as you enter..check them out.

[Bonny]

Saw a couple in front of me get up and ask the couple next to them to save their seats until they got back because they were going over to City Fire for dinner. How would this fit into your scenario of as long as one person stayed there?
There will never be a way to solve this. 4 chairs, 1 person in one of them. Hubby drops me off and goes and parks. Our 2 friends are behind us looking for a place to park. I have 4 chairs, but I am in one of them.
When someone asks me to watch their chairs and they say "we'll be back", I tell them I can't because I don't know how long I'll be there. ;)

[Bonny]

Bonanza, how many times have you gone to a fast food place with someone and one of you orders the meal and the other gets a table? That's your right to go get a table...you're going to sit and eat. Most of us have done that several times, myself included. My husband will go order the food and I'll go get us a table. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if I go an hour before lunch and siit to hold the table until I'm ready to eat an hour later that's a different story. When you are in line waitng for food it's perfectly ok for one to grab a table to sit at.
We do that all the time. Hubby goes up and puts in the order. I grab napkins, etc. and grab a table. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

[VT2TV]

Charging a dollar for a chair rental is not asking too much at all. And, they could start at 3pm when the "early birds" might wish to save seats. But, do you suppose that they'll need to still calm everyone down because some people came at 3pm and "saved seats in the prime spots," even though they paid the rental fee?


Well, if they limited the number of chairs to 4 for each person TOTAL, it should be ok. I would hope they wouldn't loan a person 4 chairs for $4.00, then as soon as the person puts those up, he went bank and got 4 more, etc. If a person could only get 4 chairs, then they should be willing to stay in those seats since the "bought ' them for the evening, and if they left them unattended, someone might take them.

[VT2TV]

This would not be OK according to new signs just put up at McAlisters Deli in Brownwood right inside as you enter..check them out.

Oops, this didn't include the comment that was posted about saving seats.

I personally have also done that myself, but I hate myself when I do. I can think of at least 5 times in either McDonalds in the morning, or Dunkin Doughnuts, when I come into the restaurant and go up to the counter to order. As I am walking to the counter, I see that EVERY SINGLE table is full with someone either "saving" a seat or just sitting there reading the newspaper, and drinking their 5th refill of coffee. So, I get my order filled, and go to find a table only to find they are all taken. Is that okay??? So, I have to stand there holding my food, waiting for someone to leave. If everyone hadn't gone early to save their seat, I could have sat down, eaten my food and be gone before all the people in line behind me that the tables were being saved for had even gotten their food.

Another scenerio that has happened is that when I go into the restaurant and see all the tables saved, I just leave, and the owners of the place have just lost a sale. And i am sure that happens more than just with me. And don't tell me to ask people to leave when they are just sitting there. I still value my life.

[graciegirl]

Charging a dollar for a chair rental is not asking too much at all. And, they could start at 3pm when the "early birds" might wish to save seats. But, do you suppose that they'll need to still calm everyone down because some people came at 3pm and "saved seats in the prime spots," even though they paid the rental fee?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/saving-seats-town-squares-69745/#post622388

[kittygilchrist]

Forgive me for repeating the response posted by a majority of Villagers in another thread recently regarding a complaint about a rule in TV.
In that thread the majority opinion of readers was that the developer is wise and made all rules the very best for everybody, and so nothing should change.

I do not agree that there is no room for improvement, but it appears there is not much point in bringing up concerns for discussion, thinking critically or commenting.
The attitude disappoints me, but clearly there are better uses of time than trying to effect change.
Lesson learned....

[Jimturner]

Forgive me for repeating the response posted by a majority of Villagers in another thread recently regarding a complaint about a rule in TV.
In that thread the majority opinion of readers was that the developer is wise and made all rules the very best for everybody, and so nothing should change.

I do not agree that there is no room for improvement, but it appears there is not much point in bringing up concerns for discussion, thinking critically or commenting.
The attitude disappoints me, but clearly there are better uses of time than trying to effect change.
Lesson learned....

You missed the most important piece of this discussion. the first one you refer to is and has been a rule that a select few want changed for their benifit. The seat saving is not a rule, so just a few brass folks taking liberty with what they want without consideration to the majority of Villagers. Normal people would not need a rule for this, but unfortunately, we are asking for a ruling. Can we save seats in advance of an event. How long in advance, how many seats etc.
:shrug:

[graciegirl]

No Happinow. What I am really trying to say is that you can't legislate morality or even acceptable behavior.

JUST WHAT are you going to do with the guy who is a smart mouth, badazz who thinks the world should do it his way? I think the people who thought it all out didn't want to have to hire bouncers for an upscale community of retired people.

I am appalled by the lack of manners, consideration, and self control displayed on the squares at high season. They must be "townies". I know in my heart that Most Villagers have been brought up better.

If there were rules on this................Just WHAT do you do with someone who will not follow the rules, tries to circumvent the rules and is just plain selfish? I don't know. I doubt anyone does. It would require a squad of nasty people to confront folks like this and The Villages just doesn't do nasty.

There are NO answers that would work. NONE that I can think of. If you can figure out what you would do if it were YOUR problem to solve, type it here. Money is required for things like this. I do NOT want to give up the flowers.

Many of the folks who cause trouble are vacationers. Not snowbirds...not long term renters, just folks who don't have a vested interest and feel they have a right to take over the seats. It isn't their THE VILLAGES..

[kcrazorbackfan]

I'm not really advocating you doing something that you're not comfortable with, but, damn people, stand up for what you believe in. If you go somewhere where seats are saved (squares, restaurants, movie theaters)and you need one, sit down in one. I've done before it in a tactful, determined way; don't be confrontational, just sit, smile and say "thank you for saving this for me/us". It's really very simple to do.
DO. NOT. BE. BULLIED.

[Bigben007]

I love ( not really) when I go to an exercise class and someone is saving 3 and 4 spots for their friends that come in the last minute.

[kstew43]

i know right......i hate that.....inside but even more when your waiting in line outside....

like they cant sweat without there friends....

when/if there friends arrive they should take a space with them in the back....

first come....first served....

[CathyandJohn]

It would be interesting to hear from the people who save these seats as to why they do it, knowing it is frowned upon by most villagers. It is rude to save a whole row of seats.

[katsudden]

I think that they are short term renters. Not that I am against renters, but they don't act like they have a vested interest in our community.

Gracie Girl, I, as a short term renter, do have appreciate your community and I perhaps haven't "invested" in a property, but I am paying for being here. I do my best to uphold the rules here. I love our rental property and always try leave it in better condition than when we arrived. I have great respect and admiration for all the volunteers and workers here to make this such a wonderful, unique place to live. You are so lucky to be able to take advantage of this full time. Perhaps there are renters who don't see it that way and trash their areas because they don't have to "pick up the pieces." I'm not that way. I'm against bullying of any sort. I will speak up if I feel someone is bullied. I am so sorry that you guys think that saving a seat is a type of bullying. Raised in Illinois and Michigan, this is what I see all of the time and we really don't see anything wrong with it. First come, first served. Butt in seat or not. I see the world growing less and less tolerant of others' traditions and ways. When, on a recent vacation, I was elbowed and cut in front of by a little asian woman, I felt violated. But, upon reconsideration, I realized that that is what they do there. So overpopulated and they are a smaller in stature people. That is her way. She meant no disrespect. Perhaps signage would be the way to go to inform others that saving seats is not The Village's way to do things. When in Rome, do as the Romans....We made certain to pack our extra folding chairs this year. I am looking forward to watching the line dancers (they are wonderful entertainment).

[rubicon]

Really saving seats at SS merits 131 posts? Isn't this one of those dichotomous issues? Well at 131 posts I must be wrong?

[dewilson58]

133

[cquick]

:click: gonna add my 2 cents to this huge thread!

I like the folding chairs they have at Brownwood. They are on rolling racks. I think Spanish Springs should get rid of the chairs that are out all the time and just have the rolling racks of chairs brought out just before the entertainment starts.

This would solve 2 problems....."saving" chairs and having enough chairs.

[Bonny]

Gracie Girl, I, as a short term renter, do have appreciate your community and I perhaps haven't "invested" in a property, but I am paying for being here. I do my best to uphold the rules here. I love our rental property and always try leave it in better condition than when we arrived. I have great respect and admiration for all the volunteers and workers here to make this such a wonderful, unique place to live. You are so lucky to be able to take advantage of this full time. Perhaps there are renters who don't see it that way and trash their areas because they don't have to "pick up the pieces." I'm not that way. I'm against bullying of any sort. I will speak up if I feel someone is bullied. I am so sorry that you guys think that saving a seat is a type of bullying. Raised in Illinois and Michigan, this is what I see all of the time and we really don't see anything wrong with it. First come, first served. Butt in seat or not. I see the world growing less and less tolerant of others' traditions and ways. When, on a recent vacation, I was elbowed and cut in front of by a little asian woman, I felt violated. But, upon reconsideration, I realized that that is what they do there. So overpopulated and they are a smaller in stature people. That is her way. She meant no disrespect. Perhaps signage would be the way to go to inform others that saving seats is not The Village's way to do things. When in Rome, do as the Romans....We made certain to pack our extra folding chairs this year. I am looking forward to watching the line dancers (they are wonderful entertainment).
I'm from Michigan & I never believed roping off chairs should be done.

[cquick]

Bonanza, how many times have you gone to a fast food place with someone and one of you orders the meal and the other gets a table? That's your right to go get a table...you're going to sit and eat. Most of us have done that several times, myself included. My husband will go order the food and I'll go get us a table. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if I go an hour before lunch and siit to hold the table until I'm ready to eat an hour later that's a different story. When you are in line waitng for food it's perfectly ok for one to grab a table to sit at.

and I always put Patrick (who is in a wheelchair) at a table at a fast food restaurant while I get our food, I can't push him and carry a tray! I have often wished I had 4 arms! :jester:

[JourneyOfLife]

IMO TV has a bit of an identity crisis...

It doesn't seem to know, if it is a 55+ Residential Community (i.e., permanent residents), or a Party Time/Vacation Destination!!! Something about those two juxtaposed situations, that would seem to be destined to create friction. Is anyone suprised that the two would be at odds with one another?

[Sandtrap328]

IMO TV has a bit of an identity crisis...

It doesn't seem to know, if it is a 55+ Residential Community (i.e., permanent residents), or a Party Time/Vacation Destination!!! Something about those two juxtaposed situations, that would seem to be destined to create friction. Is anyone suprised that the two would be at odds with one another?

I would venture a guess that most of the year round residents also think of The Villages as a Vacation Destination - except we get to be at our Vacation Destination year round! No friction with renters or snowbirds. Of course, there are always a few grumps in all the groups.

As far as seat saving, it happens - live with it! 150 posts on TOTV is not going to change anything about seat saving.

[asianthree]

If all the chairs were removed it would force you to bring your own. Then just space saving.:girlneener:

[Polar Bear]

If I want a seat for me and my wife TO SIT IN IMMEDIATELY, and there are no seats available, but a large group of seats is roped off or "cushioned" with nobody sitting in any of them, I am simply going to move the rope or cushions as needed and sit down. I have a hard time believing anybody would give me any grief. But if they did, I would deal with it...while sitting in MY seat.

[Walter123]

Why is it that some people think they have better manners because where they are from?
There's a little bit of everything everywhere. I say sit on it.

[Sandtrap328]

If I want a seat for me and my wife TO SIT IN IMMEDIATELY, and there are no seats available, but a large group of seats is roped off or "cushioned" with nobody sitting in any of them, I am simply going to move the rope or cushions as needed and sit down. I have a hard time believing anybody would give me any grief. But if they did, I would deal with it...while sitting in MY seat.

There is always the strong possibility that those people would pounce into "your" chairs the first time you got up to dance with the lovely Mrs. Polar Bear. What type of confrontation would happen at that point?

Best idea is to bring your own chairs from home, put them in a spot of your choosing and sit down. Get to popular shows early, read a book, have a beer from your cooler, enjoy!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Really saving seats at SS merits 131 posts? Isn't this one of those dichotomous issues? Well at 131 posts I must be wrong?

So says one of the "seat savers"?

[kcrazorbackfan]

It would be interesting to hear from the people who save these seats as to why they do it, knowing it is frowned upon by most villagers. It is rude to save a whole row of seats.

I AGREE. What say ye, scofflaws?

[kcrazorbackfan]

If I want a seat for me and my wife TO SIT IN IMMEDIATELY, and there are no seats available, but a large group of seats is roped off or "cushioned" with nobody sitting in any of them, I am simply going to move the rope or cushions as needed and sit down. I have a hard time believing anybody would give me any grief. But if they did, I would deal with it...while sitting in MY seat.

Strength in numbers; count me in when you go. Finally, someone, besides me, that has an immediate solution and not having the "Powers that Be" to react.

[gap2415]

Take all the chairs away. Put up a sign, Bring your own lawn chair.

[Polar Bear]

Take all the chairs away. Put up a sign, Bring your own lawn chair.


Sounds simple, but lots of people don't want to/will not bring their own chairs. And in my opinion they should not have to. What about all the shows that are not standing room only? Force everybody to bring chairs even to these? I don't think that's desirable.

[PaPaLarry]

Strength in numbers; count me in when you go. Finally, someone, besides me, that has an immediate solution and not having the "Powers that Be" to react.
Sounds like a "Chairs Brigade" is forming in The Villages?! We should have a sign up sheet. hehehe

[katsudden]

Why is it that some people think they have better manners because where they are from?
There's a little bit of everything everywhere. I say sit on it.

Never said better, just said different.

[katsudden]

I'm from Michigan & I never believed roping off chairs should be done.

So, you don't believe in it and I don't mind it. Michigan or not, I respect your belief.

[katsudden]

No Happinow. What I am really trying to say is that you can't legislate morality or even acceptable behavior.

JUST WHAT are you going to do with the guy who is a smart mouth, badazz who thinks the world should do it his way? I think the people who thought it all out didn't want to have to hire bouncers for an upscale community of retired people.

I am appalled by the lack of manners, consideration, and self control displayed on the squares at high season. They must be "townies". I know in my heart that Most Villagers have been brought up better.

If there were rules on this................Just WHAT do you do with someone who will not follow the rules, tries to circumvent the rules and is just plain selfish? I don't know. I doubt anyone does. It would require a squad of nasty people to confront folks like this and The Villages just doesn't do nasty.

There are NO answers that would work. NONE that I can think of. If you can figure out what you would do if it were YOUR problem to solve, type it here. Money is required for things like this. I do NOT want to give up the flowers.

Many of the folks who cause trouble are vacationers. Not snowbirds...not long term renters, just folks who don't have a vested interest and feel they have a right to take over the seats. It isn't their THE VILLAGES..

May I also add that when we first came here and saw the way the seats were saved, we thought that it was "the way" things were done here. We didn't think we were doing anything wrong. As long as people are allowed to put the seat savers down, more will see it done and they will also do it. Not because they are rude, but because they think it is acceptable here. And doing things like ripping, tearing, defacing, and tossing are acts of aggression. Aggression fuels more aggression. I guess it really doesn't matter who is from where or what their family was taught to be acceptable, if it isn't acceptable here it shouldn't be done. But there are mixed signals as to what is acceptable. It looks acceptable because people see it being done. It's too bad that this has become an "us against them" thing. I'd hate for this to end up like the man who shot the guy in the movie theater for using his cell phone. (can't remember where that happened, but it was awful.) But at least movie theaters take it seriously and inform the movie-goers to turn the phones off. I don't want to give up the flowers either!!!!!

[Bonny]

So, you don't believe in it and I don't mind it. Michigan or not, I respect your belief.
I don't mind reasonable saving of seats. I don't like when 3 or 4 groups of people rope off about 10 chairs each, but I also don't let it bother me a whole lot. ;)

[Bavarian]

We do that all the time. Hubby goes up and puts in the order. I grab napkins, etc. and grab a table. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

You would if you were single.

Part of this problem is the US American idea of not sharing tables. Take a table for two, sit there as two people and not let the other two seats be used.

[katsudden]

You would if you were single.

Part of this problem is the US American idea of not sharing tables. Take a table for two, sit there as two people and not let the other two seats be used.

Apparently, we like our space bubbles here. LOL! I take it you are from Germany! Been there! I love how they have the long tables and everyone sits next to and gets to know the others. It's wonderful! :)

[Bonny]

You would if you were single.

Part of this problem is the US American idea of not sharing tables. Take a table for two, sit there as two people and not let the other two seats be used.
If it was a table for 4 and it was just me and hubby, I would definitely tell any single or couple to join us. :beer3:

[Barefoot]

Take all the chairs away. Put up a sign, Bring your own lawn chair.

There are certainly people in a retirement community who can't tote their own chairs.
When proposing a viable solution, please take into consideration that not all retirees are "able bodied".

[jbdlfan]

Wow! This probably in the top three of the most ridiculous threads EVER on TOTV. Seriously folks. Those that have lived here for a while that don't take your own chairs to the squares this time of year are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Please, stop the Holier than than thou attitudes. I see rude, obnoxious and selfish people around here 12 months out of the year. Nobody corners the market on that behavior, even those from the Midwest are guilty(from Ohio, so I can make that statement). I teach ninth grade and see more mature behavior than I see on this thread or at the squares.....Chill Pill....you're fricking retired adults, act like it....

[Moderator]

Arrogant and condescending posts have dictated a closure of this thread.