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2BNTV
12-30-2014, 01:55 PM
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
kittygilchrist
12-30-2014, 02:03 PM
Exactly right, Joe.
And while we are at it...why in heaven do we have a higher tax bracket????
quirky3
12-30-2014, 02:06 PM
I agree! Maybe Bogie Shooter can tell us who to contact to get things changed.
DonH57
12-30-2014, 02:11 PM
I understand your position. The rules are basically stating you either date another villager or someone outside the given radius. That's the way I read it.
looneycat
12-30-2014, 02:13 PM
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
you're 100% correct, single households should get a 'permanent' guest id.
graciegirl
12-30-2014, 02:34 PM
You can get a visitor pass?
OpusX1
12-30-2014, 02:46 PM
You can get a visitor pass?
I think only for 30 days and only if they live outside the tri-county area.
It is a discrimination and needs to be addressed. Maybe get the singles group to go in mass to a few meetings and get the attention of the people that can correct this.
mixsonci
12-30-2014, 03:20 PM
I agree completely. I am about to be a single in TV starting next week and to me this does seem unfair
LuckySevens
12-30-2014, 03:56 PM
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
That's not the only unfair rule in The Villages. If you buy a trail pass for your golf cart (for golfing), it costs a single person as much as a couple....
$140.+ per year. I know.........'it's all about the DEED', but that still doesn't make it fair for the singles. IMHO it should be changed to be more fair. (It doesn't affect me because I am married)
TVMayor
12-30-2014, 04:20 PM
I'm single. If I had a permanent guest pass made out of "Guest of TVMayor" picture id not required, can I look her in the eye and tell her I need to retain possession of the id because my other bunk mates need to use it. Then with a slam of the door her and the id disappear for ever. Then I would have to explain to bunk mate two how I lost the id and how I have to cancel the lost one and get a new one. She then tells me she will retain possession of the id because this is the 27th one I have lost.
The events described above are hypothetical.
Bogie Shooter
12-30-2014, 04:32 PM
What will be the rule for a manage-a-trois?
:throwtomatoes:
CFrance
12-30-2014, 04:33 PM
You can get a visitor pass?
Would Joe be able to get a visitor pass if he started dating someone from outside TV but within a 50-mile radius? (Not being sarcastic... I thought I read that somewhere.) And if it became a serious relationship, what would happen then? You can't get a permanent visitor's pass, and there are many reasons, financial and otherwise, that a person might not want to marry. Even with a visitor's pass, you can't use the sports pools, so not everything would be available. Also, in many of the exercise classes, they take the visitors last. The rooms have a certain capacity due to fire regs, and residents are given first piority.
I see Joe's and every other single's point. Maybe if enough people asked, TV would be willing to come up with a reasonable alternative.
Cisco Kid
12-30-2014, 04:47 PM
Have we found the reason Joe can't get a date , ID cards?
( just kidding )
Cisco Kid
12-30-2014, 04:49 PM
I'm single. If I had a permanent guest pass made out of "Guest of TVMayor" picture id not required, can I look her in the eye and tell her I need to retain possession of the id because my other bunk mates need to use it. Then with a slam of the door her and the id disappear for ever. Then I would have to explain to bunk mate two how I lost the id and how I have to cancel the lost one and get a new one. She then tells me she will retain possession of the id because this is the 27th one I have lost.
The events described above are hypothetical.
:bigbow:
Number 6
12-30-2014, 04:59 PM
It just seems to me that Resident IDs are for, well, residents. They are those whose names are on the deed.
villagetinker
12-30-2014, 05:02 PM
Maybe the solution would be a "Resident" ID, with a specific time limit, and no photo ID, but a link to the person requesting the additional ID. The time limit could be 6 months, maybe a year. The additional pass would state something like ONLY VALID WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY Mr/Ms J. Q. Public". In his manner, singles would be able to take their current date to TV functions when together, but the 'date' would not be able to use the card alone
This is my humble idea, please do not shoot the messenger.
mickey100
12-30-2014, 05:16 PM
Now we all know that the Developer doesn't make any mistakes, at least according to some on this forum. Everything is well thought out, and The Villages is just perfect as it is. So the standard line is "if you dont like it you can leave".
I don't happen to agree with that philosophy, by the way. And I do see your points about singles.
Sable99
12-30-2014, 05:17 PM
I agree with Joe!
dbussone
12-30-2014, 05:35 PM
That's not the only unfair rule in The Villages. If you buy a trail pass for your golf cart (for golfing), it costs a single person as much as a couple....
$140.+ per year. I know.........'it's all about the DEED', but that still doesn't make it fair for the singles. IMHO it should be changed to be more fair. (It doesn't affect me because I am married)
I believe that's because the pass is for the house, not any specific number of people.
njbchbum
12-30-2014, 05:47 PM
Why not take the guest pass dilemma to the Villages Homeowner Association?
The Villages Homeowners Association Home Page - The Villages Homeowners Association (http://www.thevha.net/)
manaboutown
12-30-2014, 06:02 PM
Thank you for bringing this up Joe. There must be a readily implementable, satisfactory and workable solution out there.
The demographic reality is more and more 55 and over people are single/divorced/widowed and remaining so (another baby boomer trend?).
This pass issue has been and continues to be a primary concern for me as a potential single Villager. As it stands, singles are subsidizing the two or more folks households because the amenities fees are paid on a per household basis rather than a per person basis.
I like the previously proposed idea of having a pass that allows single resident Villagers to bring outside dates to Villagers only facilities and events. These passes could be restricted to "only when accompanies by the identified single Villager".
Beechie
12-30-2014, 06:21 PM
Totally agree with 2BNTV. There should be a second ID issued to the deed holder and registered as "Sponsored User ID". Seems simple enough and should be pushed through to fruition.
newguyintv
12-30-2014, 06:26 PM
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!
Beechie
12-30-2014, 06:50 PM
Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!
Joe hasn't broken any rules and is simply suggesting a fair solution to his and I'm sure many others problem who are in the same situation. Why would any of the existing two member ID households have an issue with 2BNTV's request? Is the cost of a home cheaper for single owners? Fair would be distribute two per household regardless of deed ownership.
What happens when a spouse passes in TV? Does the ID pass of the deceased get revoked?
janmcn
12-30-2014, 06:58 PM
Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!
All of these people would get TV ID's if they are on your deed, with the possible exception of the grandkids depending on their ages.
If we didn't embrace change, women would not be voting, same sex marriage would be impossible, etc etc etc.
Perhaps it's time for TV to move into the 21st century. Does anybody know how other retirement communities handle their ID cards?
Baileysmom
12-30-2014, 07:37 PM
I completely agree with Joe and think this is unfair. I was explaining this recently to some friends and they doubted me, thinking it was absurd. Sadly it is true and does need to be examined.
ziggie
12-30-2014, 07:53 PM
Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!
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rosygail
12-30-2014, 08:00 PM
Seems to me a resident ID is only for residents. Guess passes should be available for significant others, but limited to use when with the resident. We should not have permanent guess passes floating around. You know they would be abused!
DonH57
12-30-2014, 08:36 PM
According to the current rules a resident can only bring a guest to a function requiring guest passes if they reside outside sumter, lake, or Marion counties. So if a male resident wants to bring a female to an event she must be from outside the three surrounding counties to get a guest pass. Is that not correct? There should be some provision allowing for a companion pass, if you will, for single residents. That's the way I see it.
DougB
12-30-2014, 08:42 PM
All of these people would get TV ID's if they are on your deed, with the possible exception of the grandkids depending on their ages.
If we didn't embrace change, women would not be voting, same sex marriage would be impossible, etc etc etc.
Perhaps it's time for TV to move into the 21st century. Does anybody know how other retirement communities handle their ID cards?
A person does not need to be "on the deed" to get a resident ID.
tomwed
12-30-2014, 08:43 PM
I agree with you too Joe. It seems fair and not too much to ask.
thanks Joe for bringing up the issue
scottiee
12-30-2014, 08:45 PM
When you are right you are right and damn it your right
scottiee
12-30-2014, 08:46 PM
Everyone deed pays the same
DougB
12-30-2014, 08:48 PM
When you are right you are right and damn it your right
When you are right you are right and damn it your right
You can say that again!
2BNTV
12-30-2014, 09:58 PM
I again say this would be people who want to date someone outside TV but within the 50 mile radius. If someone lives outside the 50 mile radius, a guest pass can be distributed and used as needed for all visitors.
I don't think the issuing of another resident I.D. for single people is abusing the system as the vast majority of TV,is married.
I am not asking for the rules to be broken, only amended to be more just and fair.
After all, does married people pay more in amenity fees per household, than single people? If they don't and get issued two resident I.D's, then maybe they should pay double. How would married people feel about paying twice the amount of single people. After all, isn't two people using the same facilities instead of one.
Do they pay twice the amount for their house than single people?
The sword should cut on both sides. NO?
iaasah
12-30-2014, 10:13 PM
Are the amenity fees based on household plus number of occupants?
Beechie
12-30-2014, 10:19 PM
I again say this would be people who want to date someone outside TV but within the 50 mile radius. If someone lives outside the 50 mile radius, a guest pass can be distributed and used as needed for all visitors.
I don't think the issuing of another resident I.D. for single people is abusing the system as the vast majority of TV,is married.
I am not asking for the rules to be broken, only amended to be more just and fair.
After all, does married people pay more in amenity fees per household, than single people? If they don't and get issued two resident I.D's, then maybe they should pay double. How would married people feel about paying twice the amount of single people. After all, isn't two people using the same facilities instead of one.
Do they pay twice the amount for their house than single people?
The sword should cut on both sides. NO?
Just curious! When you bought your home in TV was it new or a resale? If it was a resale, did you purchase from a couple? If so, there would have been a second ID card relinquished. Something is wacky in their policy and should be rectified.
2BNTV
12-30-2014, 10:25 PM
Just curious! When you bought your home in TV was it new or a resale? If it was a resale, did you purchase from a couple? If so, there would have been a second ID card relinquished. Something is wacky in their policy and should be rectified.
Yes, it was a resale. Was bought by a couple but the husband passed away prior to my purchase.
I think they should review this one particular issue, as it is not fair. IMHO
njbchbum
12-30-2014, 10:38 PM
I again say this would be people who want to date someone outside TV but within the 50 mile radius. If someone lives outside the 50 mile radius, a guest pass can be distributed and used as needed for all visitors.
I don't think the issuing of another resident I.D. for single people is abusing the system as the vast majority of TV,is married.
I am not asking for the rules to be broken, only amended to be more just and fair.
After all, does married people pay more in amenity fees per household, than single people? If they don't and get issued two resident I.D's, then maybe they should pay double. How would married people feel about paying twice the amount of single people. After all, isn't two people using the same facilities instead of one.
Do they pay twice the amount for their house than single people?
The sword should cut on both sides. NO?
If amenity fees were to be paid per person, Joe, would you support snowbirds just paying amenity fees for the months in which they actually reside in the Villages?
njbchbum
12-30-2014, 10:52 PM
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I think they should review this one particular issue, as it is not fair. IMHO
Fair? To whom? To the way someone else thinks? What on earth would happen to the Villages if everything that people thought is not "fair" in their deed restrictions got taken to task and changed? You know - like lawn ornaments and signs. I understand your plight and that of other singles; but as has been pointed out before almost as often as saving seats and dog poop posts, we all knew about stuff like this when we moved here.
Perhaps a paper 'special event guest pass'/'date night guest pass' could be given to a resident on an as needed basis. No need to issue anything except a piece of paper and could be issued within the week prior to the event/date. No pictures to take, no records to keep, no monitoring/tracking to follow-up - pass expires at the end of the event/date. We all know how suspect some folks are that gate passes have been shared by residents with their off-campus friends. Could that happen with a permanent guest pass, too?
Would a special guest not be worth the effort to a single resident?
Wandatime
12-30-2014, 10:54 PM
Where are you meeting these women that live just outside the walls of TV?
Please know I am trying to inject some humor here.
kittygilchrist
12-31-2014, 12:49 AM
It is right for single people to have a higher tax bracket because we are a minority.
It is right for us to be unable to bring a date to a rec center dance in The Villages for the same reason.
Jayhawk
12-31-2014, 01:43 AM
Seems to me a resident ID is only for residents. Guess passes should be available for significant others, but limited to use when with the resident. We should not have permanent guess passes floating around. You know they would be abused!
This is the right solution. Resident passes are just that. For RESIDENTS. Guest "dates" should have a guest pass. No different than any other non-resident.
villagerjack
12-31-2014, 02:12 AM
If amenity fees were to be paid per person, Joe, would you support snowbirds just paying amenity fees for the months in which they actually reside in the Villages?
I was just about to make that very comment.
villagerjack
12-31-2014, 02:27 AM
:cryin2::cryin2:Yes it is not " fair" for me to pay amenity fees for the 9 months I am not in The Villages. These fees should be picked up by residents like Joe who use the facilities at my expense while I am not in The Villages. NOT "FAIR":cryin2::cryin2:
Jimturner
12-31-2014, 04:48 AM
Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!
I must agree with this statement. When I hear EXCEPTION, alarm bells go off. We all signed the same contract. I can see problems with local singles using our pools, recreation centers etc. The perspective of a new Villager being closer to contract signing makes more sense than a long time resident. We went through the rules of the resident agreement and sined because of many of the restrictions. Please don't change the rules to fit someone's vision of unfair, as that would be unfair to 100,000 other residents.
:police:
CarolSells
12-31-2014, 05:12 AM
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2BNTV
12-31-2014, 05:58 AM
A a special event pass would be a very good idea!!!
I agree to disagree with some posters. I am not talking about deed restrictions or being lawless and not following the rules. It seems to me singles should have the same access, as married people do.
Life is not fair and anyone who expects it to be is being foolish. If a person only resides here six months, should they only pay for the months they are here? NO!!! Rules are made for uniformity, and for the general good of the populace. That is what we signed on for. I was not suggesting that married people pay double amenities, or singles pay half the amenity fee, to have access to everything. Only, to be able to, in the oft chance if a single meets someone outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to have the ability to take that person, to events.
TV would not be overrun by a plethora of single people looking to horn in on some people's rights to enjoy their amenities. We are talking of a small percentage of single people. Nothing more, nothing less.
Would it kill the powers that be, to revisit this issue?
BTW - If something doesn't affect you, does that mean, it is not important?
Lack of compassion, astounds me sometimes!
mickey100
12-31-2014, 06:30 AM
A a special event pass would be a very good idea!!!
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BTW - If something doesn't affect you, does that mean, it is not important?
Lack of compassion, astounds me sometimes!
So true.
Nightengale212
12-31-2014, 06:47 AM
Thank you for bringing this up Joe. There must be a readily implementable, satisfactory and workable solution out there.
The demographic reality is more and more 55 and over people are single/divorced/widowed and remaining so (another baby boomer trend?).
This pass issue has been and continues to be a primary concern for me as a potential single Villager. As it stands, singles are subsidizing the two or more folks households because the amenities fees are paid on a per household basis rather than a per person basis.
I like the previously proposed idea of having a pass that allows single resident Villagers to bring outside dates to Villagers only facilities and events. These passes could be restricted to "only when accompanies by the identified single Villager".
Yes Joe, thank you for bringing this issue up since I was not aware of which will very much change my TV retirement plans :(
I was widowed in my 40s and have been in a 12 year live in relationship with my partner, and for financial reasons we likely will not legally marry. I own my current home outright, and my plan when the time came was to sell it and purchase a home in TV with only my name on the deed for which my partner does not want to be on it anyway. I am not here to debate the TV rules, but glad to be made aware of this rule so now we can focus on alternate retirement plans.
Jimturner
12-31-2014, 07:05 AM
Single residents have the same rights as married people. What is asked for here is to allow guests from the local area to have access to all the wonderful amenities that home owners enjoy. These outside people will have no financial interest in The Villages giving way to no responsibility to respect the rules so many of us signed up for. I personally wish this to remain a retirement community and in no way a dating/partying destination. We have a singles club, a swingers group and more. Let's not add to that list.
PammyJ
12-31-2014, 07:22 AM
Yes Joe, thank you for bringing this issue up since I was not aware of which will very much change my TV retirement plans :(
I was widowed in my 40s and have been in a 12 year live in relationship with my partner, and for financial reasons we likely will not legally marry. I own my current home outright, and my plan when the time came was to sell it and purchase a home in TV with only my name on the deed for which my partner does not want to be on it anyway. I am not here to debate the TV rules, but glad to be made aware of this rule so now we can focus on alternate retirement plans.
Don't change your retirement plans! You do NOT have to be on the deed to get a resident ID! As long as they prove they are living with you, they get an ID. It is blue, not green. There are four of us living in our home and we all have ID's that allow us amenities. I think Joe is talking about not being able to get a guest pass for those living in close proximity of The Villages.
mulligan
12-31-2014, 07:24 AM
Yes Joe, thank you for bringing this issue up since I was not aware of which will very much change my TV retirement plans :(
I was widowed in my 40s and have been in a 12 year live in relationship with my partner, and for financial reasons we likely will not legally marry. I own my current home outright, and my plan when the time came was to sell it and purchase a home in TV with only my name on the deed for which my partner does not want to be on it anyway. I am not here to debate the TV rules, but glad to be made aware of this rule so now we can focus on alternate retirement plans.
You do not need to change your plans. There is a non-owner resident ID (blue card instead of green). It is a picture ID, and must be renewed every 2 years. All that needs to be done to get it is establish residence.
kittygilchrist
12-31-2014, 08:14 AM
How about some compassion for loneliness and feeling awkward? Some of you marrieds do not know how it feels to show up alone.
As a single person I would NOT want to have a guest ID for someone I am dating. That would open a whole can of worms and violate the spirit of residence/guest advantges.
HOWEVER, I would like to be able to have the person I am dating or even just a friend, attend occasional events at recreation centers, such as dances.
Would you married people object to singles getting a pass for their date or a friend to dances or other events where you yourself would never go alone?
How about this? (It annoys me that this has become married vs single)
So why not a rule that ANYONE can get two passes a month for a non resident who lives nearby.
Sable99
12-31-2014, 08:24 AM
You do not need to change your plans. There is a non-owner resident ID (blue card instead of green). It is a picture ID, and must be renewed every 2 years. All that needs to be done to get it is establish residence.
I also got the non-owner resident ID's for my long-term renters so they didn't have to renew their IDs every month. I simply had to sign a form that gave them permission to get the non-owner ID's. It is my understanding that their ID's will be pulled when I get either get a new tenant or move to TV myself. I'm hoping for the latter!
Topspinmo
12-31-2014, 08:41 AM
Aaaa, come on Singles always get screwed?????more:22yikes: "thinkaboutit" I think they put that rule in so some can't have Haram or keep the Mormans out:22yikes::loco: JUST JOKING:wave:
2BNTV
12-31-2014, 08:41 AM
How about some compassion for loneliness and felling awkward?
As a single person I would NOT want to have a guest ID for someone I am dating. That would open a whole can of worms and violate the spirit of residence/guest advantges.
HOWEVER, I would like to be able to have the person I am dating attend occasional events at recreation centers, such as dances.
Would you married people object to singles getting a pass for their date to dances or other events where you would feel awkward going alone.
My point exactly.
I guess some people are suggesting a single needs to have someone live with them or get married, to have the same priviledges, as married people because those are the rules. It is also implying than a single needs to find that special someone within the confines of TV and limiting their pool of dating options.
Some people might say this is an awfully high price to pay for someone wanting to date someone outside of TV. I like to think the person who would live with me or have a more special meaning, to be worth more than, just to obtain a resident/guest pass. :D
This has more to do with implying that all single people must date or find someone within the confines of TV or having to go on dates outside TV and then live together or get married to have the same priviledges..
It has nothing to do with loneliness. Do married people think every single person is going to date someone outside TV every day for 365 days a year to need an escort to a event or to have a plethora of non-residents, using their TV amenities?
Pluuuuuuueeeezzzzzeeeeeee!!!!!!
Jimturner
12-31-2014, 08:53 AM
How about some compassion for loneliness and feeling awkward? Some of you marrieds do not know how it feels to show up alone.
As a single person I would NOT want to have a guest ID for someone I am dating. That would open a whole can of worms and violate the spirit of residence/guest advantges.
HOWEVER, I would like to be able to have the person I am dating or even just a friend, attend occasional events at recreation centers, such as dances.
Would you married people object to singles getting a pass for their date or a friend to dances or other events where you yourself would never go alone?
How about this? (It annoys me that this has become married vs single)
So why not a rule that ANYONE can get two passes a month for a non resident who lives nearby.
I feel there are good reasons that people living in Marian, lake or Sumter counties should not be considered residents. We villagers pay extra to be a Villages resident. No trickery, or special exception should be able to bend or break those rules.
Sable99
12-31-2014, 08:55 AM
You do not need to change your plans. There is a non-owner resident ID (blue card instead of green). It is a picture ID, and must be renewed every 2 years. All that needs to be done to get it is establish residence.
How about some compassion for loneliness and feeling awkward? Some of you marrieds do not know how it feels to show up alone.
As a single person I would NOT want to have a guest ID for someone I am dating. That would open a whole can of worms and violate the spirit of residence/guest advantges.
HOWEVER, I would like to be able to have the person I am dating or even just a friend, attend occasional events at recreation centers, such as dances.
Would you married people object to singles getting a pass for their date or a friend to dances or other events where you yourself would never go alone?
How about this? (It annoys me that this has become married vs single)
So why not a rule that ANYONE can get two passes a month for a non resident who lives nearby.
I totally agree, Kitty!
This is what I don't understand. If they have non-owner resident IDs, why can't they give single people one non-owner ID (make the ID a different color) and that person has to be accompanied by the person with the resident ID.
I don't think people understand that if a TV resident wants to take a date or friend to a TV function that they can't do it if the said date or friend lives in Sumter, Marion or Lake County. You cant't even get them a guest ID that you could get if they didn't live in those three counties.
But, my case is different. I'm single but my 90 year old mother and I are both on our deed and both have Resident IDs. The only avtivity my Mother does is go to the Neighborhood Pool. Kinda a waste of the ID. Of course, we had to turn our Resident IDs into TV when we put our home on the rental market.
That brings up a whole other question. What happens to the second ID when one of the people on the deed is no longer living?
2BNTV
12-31-2014, 08:55 AM
Where are you meeting these women that live just outside the walls of TV?
Please know I am trying to inject some humor here.
I haven't met anyone yet, but I don't want to limit the possibilities.
Disclaimer: This is not the ranting of a sex crazed maniac, who wants to date anyone, who is breathing. :D
I find it very amusing that some people have a very myopic view of the world. It seems some people want to see everything in black and white terms, when most of the world is a shade of gray.
I just love how people can look at a simple issue with uncovering, so many sides. Stay tuned for more endearing comments.
A chair has four legs. A horse has four legs. Does that mean a chair is the same as a horse?
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
cab7608
12-31-2014, 09:00 AM
At first glance, It seems reasonable to have the "powers that be" revisit this situation and consider a second type of guest pass that would require the resident to be with the guest who doesn't meet the current guest criteria. This would enable the resident to bring a date to any activities requiring an ID. However, what also needs to be understood is that since it would be impossible to know if the guest is a date or a friend, this guest ID could easily be used to bring anyone outside The Villages to our resident only activities thus adding to an already overcrowded situation. We already have issues with communities outside The Villages marketing their homes as having access to The Villages without the bonds or amenity fees. Perhaps a special event pass is the answer for dances and other functions where it would be nice to bring a date.
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Nightengale212
12-31-2014, 09:17 AM
Don't change your retirement plans! You do NOT have to be on the deed to get a resident ID! As long as they prove they are living with you, they get an ID. It is blue, not green. There are four of us living in our home and we all have ID's that allow us amenities. I think Joe is talking about not being able to get a guest pass for those living in close proximity of The Villages.
Thank you PammyJ and Mulligan for clarifying this issue for me and others who may be in similar relationship situations.
vj1213
12-31-2014, 09:20 AM
I never really thought about this problem, but I do understand the frustration of singles. Of course I don't know the perfect solution and even if I did I don't think my opinion would really matter to the higher powers. But it looks like there could be a system whereas the singles id could be flagged, whether a different color or a star and that way if they took a date or companion with them to an event they would be allowed to enter. This way the guest could experience the activities but only when accompanied by the resident
njbchbum
12-31-2014, 09:20 AM
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A chair has four legs. A horse has four legs. Does that mean a chair is the same as a horse?
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Of course not! It just means that both that horse and that chair require the same kind of support.
Bogie Shooter
12-31-2014, 09:21 AM
Are the amenity fees based on household plus number of occupants?
No. Amenity per house.
manaboutown
12-31-2014, 09:24 AM
I never really thought about this problem, but I do understand the frustration of singles. Of course I don't know the perfect solution and even if I did I don't think my opinion would really matter to the higher powers. But it looks like there could be a system whereas the singles id could be flagged, whether a different color or a star and that way if they took a date or companion with them to an event they would be allowed to enter. This way the guest could experience the activities but only when accompanied by the resident
This may be the solution.
BTW, Does anyone know how many people can have resident IDs based upon them residing in a single home - 2, 4, 6, 8? Is the system being abused in this manner?
Bogie Shooter
12-31-2014, 09:25 AM
:cryin2::cryin2:Yes it is not " fair" for me to pay amenity fees for the 9 months I am not in The Villages. These fees should be picked up by residents like Joe who use the facilities at my expense while I am not in The Villages. NOT "FAIR":cryin2::cryin2:
Guess you knew that up front, right?
manaboutown
12-31-2014, 09:32 AM
Where are you meeting these women that live just outside the walls of TV?
Please know I am trying to inject some humor here.
I believe Mr. Midnight could answer this question!
Internet dating sites seem to be a useful venue in this regard..
Bogie Shooter
12-31-2014, 09:34 AM
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
Now that you have all the options, what next?
gratefulparrot
12-31-2014, 09:39 AM
Hey Joe.
Thanks for bringing this up. I will be moving to TV next year as a single. Of course, just coming off of a 23yr marriage, I'm not looking for another at this time, but it's good to know the rules, just in case. I didn't realize I wouldn't be able to bring a date to TV events and I really don't see the big deal. How would people know? But I guess I wouldn't want someone who I'm dating to have free access to all the amenities. That would almost lead someone to date me for free pool access. But again, I don't think that's where you were headed in your posts.
njbchbum
12-31-2014, 09:55 AM
It is admirable that so many posters here suggest a permanent guest ID for residents of our tri-county area. And the idea that it could only be used when accompanied by a resident is most anticipatory. So I must ask the posters if you recall the number of whines and complaints on TOTV about how passes are NOT checked at pools and other facilities! What makes anyone believe that 1] the guest pass will be checked for either party and that the guest pass will not be loaned to another resident for their additional use or that the 'guest' might not try to use the pass when NOT accompanied by the sponsoring resdent? Imagine the finger-pointing then!!!!
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea that any rec ctr should be able to issue a special admit guest pass that specified the event, date, name of guest and name of resident. A simple piece of cardboard stock pre-printed like villagers 'contact cards' would suffice so that the info could be hand-written on it. And the rec centers should then turn in monthly counts of such passes issued so that IF found to be potential - more serious thought could be given to the issuance and control of a more permanent special guest pass. The biggest fraud I see there is single residents falsely pumping up their requests for special admit permits!
Have we assumed anywhere in this thread that Villages staff would be required to only issue this special tri-county pass to single deed owners of record? Would that then pizz off married residents who want to be able to get their local BFFs passes because they are not residents? I would imagine that the Villages has their share of marrieds who do not share the same interests and would enjoy doing things with a friend rather than drag along an unwilling spouse or forgo the event.
We might be making this pass issue bigger than it really is but we might not be!
mgcsooner
12-31-2014, 10:04 AM
I see your point, on the other hand if implemented it would have to be done in a way it is not abused, which I also think you'd have to admit would be very possible. One possible solution might be similar to the way airlines provide hubby/wifey pass privileges for a SIGNIFICANT OTHER. Their (at least one that I'm familiar with) policy allows single people to designate one such individual for a MINIMUM period of time, one year at least or until revoked. Once revoked one much wait until the following year (pretty sure) to designate a new such individual. ensuring the allowance is used judiciously and somewhat self-managed and not the date-de-jur.
As with anything, I think it is best to not just complain, but to come forth with a well thought out solution for the issue, reducing management think time and at least offering a potential starting point with which to make a go/no-go decision on. Good luck.
kittygilchrist
12-31-2014, 10:21 AM
How about some compassion for loneliness and feeling awkward? Some of you marrieds do not know how it feels to show up alone.
As a single person I would NOT want to have a guest ID for someone I am dating. That would open a whole can of worms and violate the spirit of residence/guest advantges.
HOWEVER, I would like to be able to have the person I am dating or even just a friend, attend occasional events at recreation centers, such as dances.
Would you married people object to singles getting a pass for their date or a friend to dances or other events where you yourself would never go alone?
How about this? (It annoys me that this has become married vs single)
So why not a rule that ANYONE can get two passes a month for a non resident who lives nearby.
Yeah...why not? VJ has the best idea!
I never really thought about this problem, but I do understand the frustration of singles. Of course I don't know the perfect solution and even if I did I don't think my opinion would really matter to the higher powers. But it looks like there could be a system whereas the singles id could be flagged, whether a different color or a star and that way if they took a date or companion with them to an event they would be allowed to enter. This way the guest could experience the activities but only when accompanied by the resident
njbchbum
12-31-2014, 10:36 AM
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As with anything, I think it is best to not just complain, but to come forth with a well thought out solution for the issue, reducing management think time and at least offering a potential starting point with which to make a go/no-go decision on. Good luck.
One of the first lessons I learned in business...when the boss told me that since he considered no suggestion to be off-the-wall or absurd, that I should go to him with answers - not questions and solutions -not problems. He never laughed at anything I suggested, but it took a while to figure out answers and solutions that we could actually propose and implement!
dewilson58
12-31-2014, 10:39 AM
One of the first lessons I learned in business...when the boss told me that since he considered no suggestion to be off-the-wall or absurd, that I should go to him with answers - not questions and solutions -not problems. He never laughed at anything I suggested, but it took a while to figure out answers and solutions that we could actually propose and implement!
:agree:
Bay Kid
12-31-2014, 11:26 AM
My ex girlfriend changed her mailing address on her driver's license to my address in Virginia. Then show her driver's license being the same as yours to TV and they add her to your home in TV, then she can get a pass just as though you are married. The bad thing for her was when we split she had to change her license back. Good thing I didn't put her on the deed!
villagerjack
12-31-2014, 12:12 PM
The Villagesis the most successful residential development in the world. The primary reason is because the developer maintais Control over all the amenities and various other rules are in place to ensure that residents have fair and unfettered access to all our activities. A resident ID is issued to a resident. It could not be more clear.
We previously lived in a Dell Webb facility and South Carolina and left there to buy into Villages. The primary reason we left was that the Facilities like tennis, pickle ball, croquet and other sports were turned over to the control of the various clubs i.e. tennis club, pickle ball club who then form teams and basically what happened was if you did not belong to one of those teams your access to these facilities was severely limited. As a snowbird, we did not want to join teams but we did want access to these facilities which we came very difficult to do. To add insult to injury the teams begun to havetournaments and outsiders were permitted to play tennis while a resident like me was locked out.
When this happened very few snowbirds were attracted to the SC Sun City which resulted in very slow sales and a decline in housing values. That particular Sun City began in 1995 with build out of about of about 8600 homes. 20 years later they still have 900 homes to sell.
The Villages has the most successful formulaof any facility of this type in the world and that is because the develope has control All rules are for the benefit of owners and not outsiders. I dread the day whenresidents will be able to call the shots because left to their own imaginations there will always be ways for people to say that this is not fair or that is not fair and changes will be madewhich will in my opinion destroy the most successful model for senior development in the world.
Beechie
12-31-2014, 12:33 PM
The Villagesis the most successful residential development in the world. The primary reason is because the developer maintais Control over all the amenities and various other rules are in place to ensure that residents have fair and unfettered access to all our activities. A resident ID is issued to a resident. It could not be more clear.
We previously lived in a Dell Webb facility and South Carolina and left there to buy into Villages. The primary reason we left was that the Facilities like tennis, pickle ball, croquet and other sports were turned over to the control of the various clubs i.e. tennis club, pickle ball club who then form teams and basically what happened was if you did not belong to one of those teams your access to these facilities was severely limited. As a snowbird, we did not want to join teams but we did want access to these facilities which we came very difficult to do. To add insult to injury the teams begun to havetournaments and outsiders were permitted to play tennis while a resident like me was locked out.
When this happened very few snowbirds were attracted to the SC Sun City which resulted in very slow sales and a decline in housing values. That particular Sun City began in 1995 with build out of about of about 8600 homes. 20 years later they still have 900 homes to sell.
The Villages has the most successful formulaof any facility of this type in the world and that is because the develope has control All rules are for the benefit of owners and not outsiders. I dread the day whenresidents will be able to call the shots because left to their own imaginations there will always be ways for people to say that this is not fair or that is not fair and changes will be madewhich will in my opinion destroy the most successful model for senior development in the world.
Well said and I couldn't agree with you more. TV is probably the best of the active lifestyle communities and that has alot to do with their policies. However, I do support Joe and all other singles in our community looking for some concessions that would allow them to escort their male/female dates for certain events or activities. Perhaps their may be some compromise that all can accept. Good luck!
Philip Winkler
12-31-2014, 01:28 PM
The individual on the deed gets the green ID; it used to be that if another individual was living at that address they would get a blue ID---which I believe had all the privileges.
CFrance
12-31-2014, 02:23 PM
Well said and I couldn't agree with you more. TV is probably the best of the active lifestyle communities and that has alot to do with their policies. However, I do support Joe and all other singles in our community looking for some concessions that would allow them to escort their male/female dates for certain events or activities. Perhaps their may be some compromise that all can accept. Good luck!
Yes, it is successful, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And I think they fell down in this one area. The impact on TV would be miniscule.
I guess if Joe or any other single starts a relationship with a non Villager, they'll just have to take their entertainment dollars to some other community, unless they want to limit themselves to the squares and the restaurants.
Jimturner
12-31-2014, 02:25 PM
Is there anything a person can do about barking dogs? It seems unfair to have giant dogs here in small villas. Then people allow them to bark and bark..no nap!
Tape them for as long as they bark, then using a directional speaker, play it back pointed at their bedroom 1 hour after they go to bed.
Bogie Shooter
12-31-2014, 02:31 PM
The individual on the deed gets the green ID; it used to be that if another individual was living at that address they would get a blue ID---which I believe had all the privileges.
What do you mean "it used to be"?
JoMar
12-31-2014, 02:34 PM
Yes, it is successful, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And I think they fell down in this one area. The impact on TV would be miniscule.
I guess if Joe or any other single starts a relationship with a non Villager, they'll just have to take their entertainment dollars to some other community, unless they want to limit themselves to the squares and the restaurants.
Not really fair is it?
Bavarian
12-31-2014, 02:51 PM
Such discrimination against Singles? As a former member of a nationwide singles club, I must speak up. (No longer a member since I go married).
Why not have the green resident pass have written on it, "And one guest"
No extra cards, no need to get it back for next date, it stays with owner.
downeaster
12-31-2014, 02:59 PM
It seems a lot of people agree with the OP. So, why doesn't some one(ones?) do something about it? It is not going to be addressed by anyone with authority by discussing it on this forum.
Support is evident via this forum so take it up to the next step. How about asking the HOA or POA for some help? Maybe the District could help.
Let us know what you learn.
2BNTV
12-31-2014, 03:02 PM
I never really thought about this problem, but I do understand the frustration of singles. Of course I don't know the perfect solution and even if I did I don't think my opinion would really matter to the higher powers. But it looks like there could be a system whereas the singles id could be flagged, whether a different color or a star and that way if they took a date or companion with them to an event they would be allowed to enter. This way the guest could experience the activities but only when accompanied by the resident
I like this idea. Winner, winner chicken dinner as they say on ESPN.
2BNTV
12-31-2014, 03:14 PM
Yes, it is successful, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And I think they fell down in this one area. The impact on TV would be miniscule.
I guess if Joe or any other single starts a relationship with a non Villager, they'll just have to take their entertainment dollars to some other community, unless they want to limit themselves to the squares and the restaurants.
:agree:
I don't think a few dates to events at TV, will make TV universe spin off it's axis and out of control.
You want to treat someone special to a special event in TV and some people who are married and set in their lifestyle, somehow see this as a threat to their universe.
Nuff said. I need to contact someone who has the power to change this situation so everyone will enjoy their universe. :smiley:
simpkinp
12-31-2014, 06:42 PM
I've been complaining about this on the annual survey for years. So far, no change. As a single I find it very discriminatory since I pay the same amenity fee as a couple, or even more residents of a home. It prevents you from bringing a "friend" who is a non-Villager to your neighborhood gatherings if they are held at rec centers as most are. Luckily I go with a Fellow Villager, so not a problem for me, but I feel your pain.
Jayhawk
12-31-2014, 08:14 PM
I've been complaining about this on the annual survey for years. So far, no change. As a single I find it very discriminatory since I pay the same amenity fee as a couple, or even more residents of a home. It prevents you from bringing a "friend" who is a non-Villager to your neighborhood gatherings if they are held at rec centers as most are. Luckily I go with a Fellow Villager, so not a problem for me, but I feel your pain.
Actually it is opposite of discrimination. If two or more singles are residents they get the resident ID. Similarly, married residents cannot get a resident pass for a friend unless they are a registered guest. Why should there be different policies based on marital status? This whole argument makes no sense to me. Anyone who is not a resident is not entitled to a resident pass or privilege.
Mikeod
12-31-2014, 08:55 PM
I would not be optimistic about a change in policy. A few months ago I attended an AAC meeting where a proposal was made by a resident to allow the firefighters at Mulberry to use the sports court there. It was denied and the primary concern as I interpreted it was an aversion to non-residents using the facilities. Another proposal was to comp fees on the executive courses for active duty military who are guests of a resident. It was also denied. The reason was that making a special allowance for one group opens the doors for other "deserving" groups to request accommodation. I believe making an accommodation to allow non-residents who are in a relationship with a resident access to facilities would likely fall into the same category.
I understand the concern and the apparent disparity, but my experience leads me to believe change will be very difficult.
Bogie Shooter
12-31-2014, 09:01 PM
I would not be optimistic about a change in policy. A few months ago I attended an AAC meeting where a proposal was made by a resident to allow the firefighters at Mulberry to use the sports court there. It was denied and the primary concern as I interpreted it was an aversion to non-residents using the facilities. Another proposal was to comp fees on the executive courses for active duty military who are guests of a resident. It was also denied. The reason was that making a special allowance for one group opens the doors for other "deserving" groups to request accommodation. I believe making an accommodation to allow non-residents who are in a relationship with a resident access to facilities would likely fall into the same category.
I understand the concern and the apparent disparity, but my experience leads me to believe change will be very difficult.
That makes sense.
rubicon
12-31-2014, 10:08 PM
The rule is names on deed. If someone is living in your house and not on the deed they get a temporary ID that has to be renewed every three years.
If you have someone visiting from outside the tri-county area you are required to apply for a guest pass. All of these ID's relate to amenity use.
Amenity fees are based on households. It does not matter if you use the amenity or not. suppose enough people complained that they were not using most/any of the amenities should they complain and demand the rules be changed (i.e absolve me from paying amenity fees because I don't use them)? And calling it an amendment doesn't change the fact that you are asking for the rules to be changed.
We were all informed that if we desired this life style then you had to put a down payment of 20% and within a year start building your home.
If we are free with ID's which equate to use of amenities it will place more pressure on amenities and we are not built out yet. In fact with ID's floating around it will open up a pandora's box
Because of the aforementioned while I empathize with the OP I can not support the OP's position.
There is another area pertaining to this subject that should addressed and I did but that's another topic. My guess is based on the responses here it would draw much more emotion than what has been displayed here So for now I will leave it alone
Skybo
12-31-2014, 10:50 PM
I completely agree with you Rubicon, and I was in the process of of typing out pretty much the same opinions.
However, I'm curious exactly what the issues are for singles. Other than pools, how many venues deny access to guests of residents? Katie Belles allows one guest per resident. Resident sponsored socials, dances and events at the Rec centers don't usually present a problem for guests.
villagerjack
12-31-2014, 11:32 PM
I do not understand all the concern for folks who do not live here and pay amenity fees. One exception leads to another. The business model works perfect. Do not tinker with success. The day residents start to control things will be the day I place my home for sale. I saw what happened with my last place and it was not pleasant.
rubicon
01-01-2015, 07:08 AM
I completely agree with you Rubicon, and I was in the process of of typing out pretty much the same opinions.
However, I'm curious exactly what the issues are for singles. Other than pools, how many venues deny access to guests of residents? Katie Belles allows one guest per resident. Resident sponsored socials, dances and events at the Rec centers don't usually present a problem for guests.
Skybo your comments concerning venues are spot on. Thanks for pointing that out
mulligan
01-01-2015, 07:21 AM
I haven't met anyone yet, but I don't want to limit the possibilities.
Disclaimer: This is not the ranting of a sex crazed maniac, who wants to date anyone, who is breathing. :D
I find it very amusing that some people have a very myopic view of the world. It seems some people want to see everything in black and white terms, when most of the world is a shade of gray.
I just love how people can look at a simple issue with uncovering, so many sides. Stay tuned for more endearing comments.
A chair has four legs. A horse has four legs. Does that mean a chair is the same as a horse?
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
As far as I can see, No, the chair eats less.
graciegirl
01-01-2015, 07:38 AM
We love you Joe. I am praying that you find the girl of your dreams and that she lives here. Ditto for all the wonderful singles.
You just don't know about "townies". They could be after you for your golf cart.
I am here to protect you.
Jimturner
01-01-2015, 07:43 AM
Gracie has some good advise for you. You have so much in common with Villages Singles and (in my opinion) so little with local senior citizens.
Nightengale212
01-01-2015, 08:08 AM
The rule is names on deed. If someone is living in your house and not on the deed they get a temporary ID that has to be renewed every three years.
Just curious about this statement. A number of years prior to the passing of my parents they put both my and my sister's names on the deed to their home. I am sure there are people in TV who have done the same. So, if a Villager for example has all six of their children's names on the deed to their TV home, are all these children entitled to full amenity access because their names are on the deed ?
2BNTV
01-01-2015, 08:10 AM
I would not be optimistic about a change in policy. A few months ago I attended an AAC meeting where a proposal was made by a resident to allow the firefighters at Mulberry to use the sports court there. It was denied and the primary concern as I interpreted it was an aversion to non-residents using the facilities. Another proposal was to comp fees on the executive courses for active duty military who are guests of a resident. It was also denied. The reason was that making a special allowance for one group opens the doors for other "deserving" groups to request accommodation. I believe making an accommodation to allow non-residents who are in a relationship with a resident access to facilities would likely fall into the same category.
I understand the concern and the apparent disparity, but my experience leads me to believe change will be very difficult.
I am not optimistic about any change in policy. "It is what it is".
However that does not make it right and rules can be improved. Does the powers to be, think, they are perfect, in everything they do?
For the people that say, "no exceptions", I will wait until something rankles them, and say, "no exceptions". :smiley:
Happy New Year to everyone, and the sun came up today. Life is good!!!
Challenger
01-01-2015, 08:57 AM
Just curious about this statement. A number of years prior to the passing of my parents they put both my and my sister's names on the deed to their home. I am sure there are people in TV who have done the same. So, if a Villager for example has all six of their children's names on the deed to their TV home, are all these children entitled to full amenity access because their names are on the deed ?
I see so many references to putting "names on "deeds". This can be a very bad choice. Not something to be done casually. Can cause severe agnst in your life.
You are changing ownership which can bring lots of trouble. Family fights and disagreements , Tax issues , liability and so many more.
Talk first to a "Real " attorney with Estate and Real Estate expertise.
Don't count om advise from amatuers on this forum.:pepper2:
Cisco Kid
01-01-2015, 10:04 AM
You All can feel free you put my name on your deed to get that 2nd pass to flash. ;)
njbchbum
01-01-2015, 10:56 AM
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For the people that say, "no exceptions", I will wait until something rankles them, and say, "no exceptions". :smiley:
Happy New Year to everyone, and the sun came up today. Life is good!!!
Wait for someone to be rankled? Were TOTV posters not rankled over enforcement of the rule about signs; and about enforcement of the lawn ornament deed restriction; and now we even have rules about what color a house can be re-painted! Heck! Permanent residents even get rankled becaue they might 'lose their spot' in an event when snowbirds arrive and have the nerve to want to participate in pool aerobics, use the rec ctr work-out room, take a ceramics class, join a mahjongg game, etc!
Joe - To what event in the villages are singles not allowed to bring a person from beyond the tri-county area; or do singles want to be able to bring in said guest with whom they could laze away a day by the pool or find a hot pickleball game?
biker1
01-01-2015, 12:32 PM
I think you are generally better off not saying that it is "unfair". "Unfair" is a relative term and is also a "woe is me" statement designed to elicit an emotional response. Anyone could claim that it would be "unfair" to change the rules and provide 2 IDs for single people because single people would now be getting special treatment. I don't believe you will get very far in pursuing this because we all knew what the restrictions were when we bought. Almost anyone can find some restriction they don't like in a deed restricted community.
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
rubicon
01-01-2015, 12:45 PM
Just curious about this statement. A number of years prior to the passing of my parents they put both my and my sister's names on the deed to their home. I am sure there are people in TV who have done the same. So, if a Villager for example has all six of their children's names on the deed to their TV home, are all these children entitled to full amenity access because their names are on the deed ?
Hi Nightengale: Are the six kids living in the village home and are they over 19 years old? For further information contact The Villages district Office.
rubicon
01-01-2015, 01:12 PM
I see so many references to putting "names on "deeds". This can be a very bad choice. Not something to be done casually. Can cause severe agnst in your life.
You are changing ownership which can bring lots of trouble. Family fights and disagreements , Tax issues , liability and so many more.
Talk first to a "Real " attorney with Estate and Real Estate expertise.
Don't count om advise from amatuers on this forum.:pepper2:
Hi Challenger: Those getting green ID cards are on the house's deed. The most common reason why blue (temporary) ID cards are issued is because either parents are caring for disabled offspring or offspring are caring for disabled parents. In regard to the former situation I personally have never seen very many children of village parents utilizing amenities. The only way parents can get their offspring green ID's is to place them on the deed, otherwise they have to renew every three years.
You are correct that before making such a decision a lawyer should be consulted.
The issue presented here is not a horse or a chair its about an agreement we all made when we bought into this Lifestyle. I have come across people who explained that they moved from here because it was a waste of money as they were not utilizing the amenities. In my personal situation the only amenity I use is golf which cost me $141 plus change per year. In many homes only one person plays golf and yet they too like singles pay the same rate..
Some on here would suggest that we utilize some type of apportionment, a deduction i amenity fee if a resident doesn't use the pool, etc.
Names on the deed equate to households and amenities are based on per household. It is legal, it is fair, it discriminates fairly and it was sanctioned by each resident when they sign their closing papers.
As for singles it appears there are many social opportunities available to them. In fact don't we continually read of residents we have met here in TV and married . It appears that they didn't see the need for an ID card in order to resume their dating life....and then as one poster aptly pointed out then we have Mr. Midnight. Just imagine if he had an extra ID card with all the women he claims to have dated TV would have to hire one full time employee just to keep him up with a new ID card for his next significant other .
Personal Best Regards:
RLL39
01-01-2015, 01:14 PM
Yes Joe, thank you for bringing this issue up since I was not aware of which will very much change my TV retirement plans :(
I was widowed in my 40s and have been in a 12 year live in relationship with my partner, and for financial reasons we likely will not legally marry. I own my current home outright, and my plan when the time came was to sell it and purchase a home in TV with only my name on the deed for which my partner does not want to be on it anyway. I am not here to debate the TV rules, but glad to be made aware of this rule so now we can focus on alternate retirement plans.
How's the weather up there in R.I.?
DReifinger
01-01-2015, 02:10 PM
That's why it's a gated community so to speak. The squares are free to the public, but amenities must be paid for by someone. That someone is the homeowners who have made that commitment by being on deeds, whether married or just living together but sharing the investment of a home. Let's face it, TV is a very successful real estate retirement story, and that is why we chose to live this lifestyle here. Guest passes are for friends and family for short periods of time. A permanent guest pass would allow someone to live in TV, and enjoy all of the amenities without the commitment of home ownership. Is that fair to couples, married or not, who have invested large amounts of money for a second or permanent home. People who have chosen TV and a particular community because this is where they want to live? They have shown their commitment, they are not just guests.
VT2TV
01-02-2015, 02:37 AM
Hi Challenger: Those getting green ID cards are on the house's deed. The most common reason why blue (temporary) ID cards are issued is because either parents are caring for disabled offspring or offspring are caring for disabled parents. In regard to the former situation I personally have never seen very many children of village parents utilizing amenities. The only way parents can get their offspring green ID's is to place them on the deed, otherwise they have to renew every three years.
You are correct that before making such a decision a lawyer should be consulted.
The issue presented here is not a horse or a chair its about an agreement we all made when we bought into this Lifestyle. I have come across people who explained that they moved from here because it was a waste of money as they were not utilizing the amenities. In my personal situation the only amenity I use is golf which cost me $141 plus change per year. In many homes only one person plays golf and yet they too like singles pay the same rate..
Some on here would suggest that we utilize some type of apportionment, a deduction i amenity fee if a resident doesn't use the pool, etc.
Names on the deed equate to households and amenities are based on per household. It is legal, it is fair, it discriminates fairly and it was sanctioned by each resident when they sign their closing papers.
As for singles it appears there are many social opportunities available to them. In fact don't we continually read of residents we have met here in TV and married . It appears that they didn't see the need for an ID card in order to resume their dating life....and then as one poster aptly pointed out then we have Mr. Midnight. Just imagine if he had an extra ID card with all the women he claims to have dated TV would have to hire one full time employee just to keep him up with a new ID card for his next significant other .
Personal Best Regards:
:agree:
So many people on here talk about the fact that we all bought into a lifestyle, and that is very true. If everyone was able to "tweek" the things they either didn't like, didn't use, or thought was unfair, I can't even imagine what the lifestyle would be like.I think the rules are as fair to all as they can be. That does mean there aren't things I would like to change, but again, in a huge place like this, you will never please everyone.
Nightengale212
01-02-2015, 08:05 AM
I see so many references to putting "names on "deeds". This can be a very bad choice. Not something to be done casually. Can cause severe agnst in your life.
You are changing ownership which can bring lots of trouble. Family fights and disagreements , Tax issues , liability and so many more.
Talk first to a "Real " attorney with Estate and Real Estate expertise.
Don't count om advise from amatuers on this forum.:pepper2:
I most certainly agree with what you have stated and this decision my parents made was done under the council of a lawyer. Both my sister and I were widows when this took place so there were no issues with the home getting caught up down the line in a divorce settlement if that should have happened.
Fortunately my parents did very good estate planning, and this combined with the fact that I have a wonderful sister we were able to settle our parent's estate very easily. I know this is probably the exception rather than the norm, as I have several friends who have dealt with home deed nightmares.
gratefulparrot
01-02-2015, 08:32 AM
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.
Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
Nightengale212
01-02-2015, 08:43 AM
How's the weather up there in R.I.?
Right now it is 35.5 in Bristol, overcast, and a little windy. As long as there is no "white stuff" on the ground I am happy.
2BNTV
01-02-2015, 09:02 AM
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.
Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
Well stated and exactly my point!!!
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 09:12 AM
Gracie has some good advise for you. You have so much in common with Villages Singles and (in my opinion) so little with local senior citizens.
Oh, nevermind. I should quit reading this thread.
I told me I should quit and I didn't listen.
Where is the /// key?
We are a minority and the only way out is to organize, elect representatives and make ourselves a voice. That will scare the daylights out of people, who are already afraid that if we date those represented above as the local lowlife, it will as Joe said, retilt earth's axis.
On behalf of "locals" Many of whom Are my friends from church, you should not judge character by where people live.
As a single, I reject the implication that your judgement should guide me who is worthy to date. Good grief,shut up Kitty. I am turning myself in to the moderator for personal sidebar.
biker1
01-02-2015, 09:15 AM
The original poster can bring dates to a number of activities such as the entertainment at Katie Belle's. Other venues require everyone to have a Village ID. Nothing, including the rules we all agreed to when we bought property here, is stopping him from finding someone. If you are planning on buying in the Villages, I would recommend you read the restrictions before signing on the dotted line. Before The Villages, I lived in another deed restricted community. I heard numerous complaints over the years about various restrictions being unfair because the complainers either never read the restrictions or thought that they shouldn't apply to them. Deed restricted communities are not for everyone.
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.
Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
mickey100
01-02-2015, 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by gratefulparrot View Post
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.
Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
Well stated and exactly my point!!!
Well stated and exactly my point!!!
:bigbow: I agree. And I'm married, for the record.
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by gratefulparrot View Post
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.
Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
Well stated and exactly my point!!!
:bigbow: I agree. And I'm married, for the record.
:ho::ho::ho: hats off..a married person who accepts singleness.
Mikeod
01-02-2015, 09:35 AM
Help me out here 2BNTV. I'm trying to figure out just where the problem is. I can see that without a guest pass or ID, that a non-resident can't use the pools, attend a class or activity at a rec center, or play golf or tennis or pickleball. But they can go to the squares and enjoy the music, attend concerts a the Savannah Center, go to the movies, eat at the restaurants including the country clubs, etc. So, much of the ambiance of TV is available, just certain things are not.
Just to reiterate what I observed at the AAC, if an exception is made for what appears to be a reasonable request, how does TV refuse a equally reasonable request? Where does it stop?
Further, let's say they allow non-resident "permanent" guest IDs. Those with friends at Stonecrest (just an example, not to reopen that can of worms again!) could get them an ID, and those with friends in Ocala, and those with friends in Bushnell, and so on. How do we differentiate? Does it have to be the opposite sex? Well that discriminates by gender. Do we place a limit? That discriminates against new Villages residents. And if a limit, how many? 1000? 10000? 20000?
So, what activities are you looking for admission to with your friend?
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 09:50 AM
All of these people would get TV ID's if they are on your deed, with the possible exception of the grandkids depending on their ages.
If we didn't embrace change, women would not be voting, same sex marriage would be impossible, etc etc etc.
Perhaps it's time for TV to move into the 21st century. Does anybody know how other retirement communities handle their ID cards?
Jan, the nugget above is..if we didn't embrace change women wouldn't vote....
People with a lord's advantage over others go to great lengths to rationalize that it is actually fair and just, perhaps to keep from experiencing the cognitive dissonance of admitting they enjoy having rewards while others are denied. And perhaps in fear that if their hoarding of privilege is openly known, they might lose their special status and become equals with those whom they can consider lesser.
Nobody married even wants to glance at why singles have a higher tax bracket because it is damnably impossible to justify. Singles are a minority class, and we are treated as less important and less due rights.
Bonny
01-02-2015, 10:15 AM
I don't think anyone cares if non residents come and enjoy the restaurants, shops and even going to Katie Belles. I, for one, welcome them.
The problem lies when someone outside has a Village ID and is now on the golf courses, line dance and other classes, etc.
It's hard in season for residents to get on the golf courses sometimes. The line dance classes are so packed you can hardly dance.
It does become a problem when residents are getting shut out of golf because non residents who don't pay amenity fees are out there.
There is no easy solution. Most of us will probably face this as we get older and lose a spouse.
biker1
01-02-2015, 10:24 AM
Actually, there is a marriage penalty - two earners will generally pay more in total tax is they are married than if they are single. If you have a single earner in a marriage, the tax rate is lower than if they were single - essentially the Government gives you a tax break for a stay at home spouse raising children. The Government, has, does, and will continue to try to encourage certain behaviors through the tax code. If you are unhappy then you can work to enact change.
Jan, the nugget above is..if we didn't embrace change women wouldn't vote....
People with a lord's advantage over others go to great lengths to rationalize that it is actually fair and just, perhaps to keep from experiencing the cognitive dissonance of admitting they enjoy having rewards while others are denied. And perhaps in fear that if their hoarding of privilege is openly known, they might lose their special status and become equals with those whom they can consider lesser.
Nobody married even wants to glance at why singles have a higher tax bracket because it is damnably impossible to justify. Singles are a minority class, and we are treated as less important and less due rights.
njbchbum
01-02-2015, 10:27 AM
IF singles were to be given a permanent generic guest pass that could be used to bring any person from within the tri-county/50 mile radius area to enjoy villages amenities with them, should marrieds be given the same generic guest pass so that they can bring in one of their friends with whom to enjoy things?
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 10:36 AM
Actually, there is a marriage penalty - two earners will generally pay more in total tax is they are married than if they are single. If you have a single earner in a marriage, the tax rate is lower than if they were single - essentially the Government gives you a tax break for a stay at home spouse raising children. The Government, has, does, and will continue to try to encourage certain behaviors through the tax code. If you are unhappy then you can work to enact change.
Can marrieds not file as single? I think so...
And single parents get what "break"?
Stop the insanity
Because as my Daddy used to tell me
"Life is not fair"
CFrance
01-02-2015, 11:24 AM
Being a single person, I have only one complaint about TV.
You only get one resident I.D. and married couples get two. I know the rules that it goes by the names on the deed, etc. I still think this is unfair.
If a single person meets someone outside of TV and who wants to take their date to a resident function where they need to produce a resident I.D. and or gets into a relationship, the other person does not have access as the resident does, because the single person has one resident I.D.
I know people will respond that "it is what it is", but the singles get screwed. IMHO
It indicates one needs to live with a person, if they want to enjoy their company in TV environment. It seems to be a little far fetch option, as opposed to, getting two resident I.D's. Would it kill everything about TV, if single people got an second or resident/guest I.D? How many extra I.D's. would need to be distributed?
I know it's the developer ballpark and he/she can take his/her bat and ball home, if someone states a different point of view. It seems like a form of discrimination, against the single populace.
This has been discussed before but would like to see if there are any options, to changing this scenario.
Just waiting for the married people to say BOO-HOO!!! :D
Boy, you guessed right, Joe! Can of worms.
How many singles are living in TV? How many more people would be on the golf courses?
If they can throw a wall up where none existed, they can correct an inequity. It's their show; they can do anything they want. You singles hopefully can find some way to effect a change.
In awe of TV
01-02-2015, 12:01 PM
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.
Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
These were my thoughts exactly as I read all the responses. TV residents (not all obviously) seem greedy and have a sense of entitlement. What exactly is being taken away from the married residents if a 'single' Village resident wants to bring a date to the golf course? If it's about the amenity fee - the 'single' resident is still paying the SAME amenity fee as the married residents! If the single should get married, then of course, everyone is in agreement.
Doesn't make sense to me - 'single' discrimination I say.
mickey100
01-02-2015, 12:06 PM
Another example of an inequity for singles is the price of priority golf memberships. A single pays $740, while a couple pays $925. $925 for two people comes out to $462 per person. That's quite a discount from $740.
kstew43
01-02-2015, 12:07 PM
whoops....
kstew43
01-02-2015, 12:09 PM
These were my thoughts exactly as I read all the responses. TV residents (not all obviously) seem greedy and have a sense of entitlement. What exactly is being taken away from the married residents if a 'single' Village resident wants to bring a date to the golf course? If it's about the amenity fee - the 'single' resident is still paying the SAME amenity fee as the married residents! If the single should get married, then of course, everyone is in agreement.
Doesn't make sense to me - 'single' discrimination I say.
absolutly right......
its as if the developer is once again attempting to bring in more buyers, one way or another...
kstew43
01-02-2015, 12:11 PM
Another example of an inequity for singles is the price of priority golf memberships. A single pays $740, while a couple pays $925. $925 for two people comes out to $462 per person. That's quite a discount from $740.
do you have to be a same household couple or can you join with the guy next door and still be a couple?
is couple specific anywhere?
njbchbum
01-02-2015, 01:12 PM
These were my thoughts exactly as I read all the responses. TV residents (not all obviously) seem greedy and have a sense of entitlement. What exactly is being taken away from the married residents if a 'single' Village resident wants to bring a date to the golf course? If it's about the amenity fee - the 'single' resident is still paying the SAME amenity fee as the married residents! If the single should get married, then of course, everyone is in agreement.
Doesn't make sense to me - 'single' discrimination I say.
Interesting that you don't see the single villager as being 'greedy' [your word - not mine] for wanting something they knew that the 'rules/covenants/restrictions' do not allow for.
Are amenities not charged to a property and passes issued to resident[s] of that property?
Bonny
01-02-2015, 01:18 PM
I understand all sides. I get what everyone says.
However, we all knew all of this when we chose to buy here.
villagerjack
01-02-2015, 02:22 PM
"TV residents (not all obviously) seem greedy and have a sense of entitlement"...we are only entitled to what we pay for. Calling someome greedy because they do not agree with you is below the belt. I disagree with you and never in my life have I been characterized as greedy, anything but. So we must be careful about throwing unfounded criticisms around especially towards people we do not know otherwise your Moms advice in your slogan are just empty words. We must look at the very successful business model which we buy into when we sign the contract. It has worked for decades and while we, even I, do not agree with some of the rules, like color of roof and home which I tried to change but couldn't, I understand it may be for the greater good. Have a happy new year. Count your blessings.
Villages PL
01-02-2015, 03:21 PM
I have had a friendship with someone outside the villages for about 10 years and this has never been a problem. That's because there are so many activities available were a pass is not needed.
If you like to dance you can dance every evening at one of the town squares.
You can go to any restaurant to eat.
You can go to any of the theaters to see a movie.
You can go to paid entertainment at the Savannah Center as long as you buy a ticket.
You can go to a health or travel expo.
You can go to any of the parades .
You can participate in the Senior Olympics.
You can take a romantic walk on the boardwalk.
What more does one need?
rubicon
01-02-2015, 03:33 PM
I believe that describing village residents regarding this topic is misleading and incorrect. That is not their motivation or reason. The concern is that of setting precedent for breaking agreed upon rules. Once you step out of the batters box......
someone wrote that priority memberships were also unfair. First many who buy into priority buy as single membership. I did for six years. Frankly you have to play championship golf courses often and you have to be asking for prime tee times for any pay back.
One poster wrote and said something to the effect that i don't live in The villages yet but it seems unfair........Please after you moved here and struggled to get t a tee time then tell me it isn't fair.
These buyers remorse threads can give you "agita":D
CFrance
01-02-2015, 03:46 PM
I have had a friendship with someone outside the villages for about 10 years and this has never been a problem. That's because there are so many activities available were a pass is not needed.
If you like to dance you can dance every evening at one of the town squares.
You can go to any restaurant to eat.
You can go to any of the theaters to see a movie.
You can go to paid entertainment at the Savannah Center as long as you buy a ticket.
You can go to a health or travel expo.
You can go to any of the parades .
You can participate in the Senior Olympics.
You can take a romantic walk on the boardwalk.
What more does one need?
You can't go to the pools; you can't go to the rec centers; you can't join any of the clubs (because you can't get into the rec centers to go to the meetings); you can't take any of the classes; you have to pay an outsiders' fee for Lifelong Learning College classes. You can't get a gate pass or drive on any of the multi-modal paths. Oh wait... I guess you can if you're from Stonecrest. :evil6:
Jimturner
01-02-2015, 03:54 PM
I understand all sides. I get what everyone says.
However, we all knew all of this when we chose to buy here.
It truly is that simple. If one group got the rules changed to give out free ice cream at the squares, the lactos intolerant folks would find it unfair.
You bought into a life style that came with many well thought out rules and restrictions. Live with them the way they are or move, but stop trying to change my way of life to fit you better.
rubicon
01-02-2015, 04:00 PM
You can't go to the pools; you can't go to the rec centers; you can't join any of the clubs (because you can't get into the rec centers to go to the meetings); you can't take any of the classes; you have to pay an outsiders' fee for Lifelong Learning College classes. You can't get a gate pass or drive on any of the multi-modal paths. Oh wait... I guess you can if you're from Stonecrest. :evil6:
HiCFrance: Aaah! but what you can do is buy in The Villages and then dance and swim and golf and recreate til your little heart is content. and if i were single i wouldn't want some female to date me just so she could manipulate me into getting her a village ID just so she could latch on to my amenity connections :)
Personal Best Regards:
Bonny
01-02-2015, 04:06 PM
It truly is that simple. If one group got the rules changed to give out free ice cream at the squares, the lactos intolerant folks would find it unfair.
You bought into a life style that came with many well thought out rules and restrictions. Live with them the way they are or move, but stop trying to change my way of life to fit you better.
I have friends that get mad at restaurants when they offer the incentive of a free beer or a glass of wine with a meal.
They say they don't like beer or wine and they want a mixed drink !!
Then of course there are the ones that don't like the incentive at all because it encourages drinking !
It gets crazy. We all have choices ! We all have to read the rules. Then make the choice, go or don't go, buy or don't buy.
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules." ;)
biker1
01-02-2015, 04:15 PM
Yes, it is called "married filing as single". If you are single then you are supporting yourself and not a spouse - not sure I see what your point is.
Can marrieds not file as single? I think so...
And single parents get what "break"?
biker1
01-02-2015, 04:17 PM
You don't need a Village id to play the championship courses.
Boy, you guessed right, Joe! Can of worms.
How many singles are living in TV? How many more people would be on the golf courses?
If they can throw a wall up where none existed, they can correct an inequity. It's their show; they can do anything they want. You singles hopefully can find some way to effect a change.
Jimturner
01-02-2015, 04:18 PM
I have friends that get mad at restaurants when they offer the incentive of a free beer or a glass of wine with a meal.
They say they don't like beer or wine and they want a mixed drink !!
Then of course there are the ones that don't like the incentive at all because it encourages drinking !
It gets crazy. We all have choices ! We all have to read the rules. Then make the choice, go or don't go, buy or don't buy.
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules." ;)
It realy is Bonnie. Given a minute to think about it, everyone in The Villages could come up with something they don't benifit from and could convert that to unfair. Point is, the rules we live by have been researched my experts far more qualified than any of us as individuals. There are several things done here that I don't agree with, yet I say PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't change a thing. We spent 6 years researching retirement communities and selected The Villages as the best designed of them all including the way this place is set up and also, THE RULES. Live Adapt and Enjoy.
Bogie Shooter
01-02-2015, 04:18 PM
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules." ;)
That's what most of the posts are saying......................
2BNTV
01-02-2015, 05:21 PM
Help me out here 2BNTV. I'm trying to figure out just where the problem is. I can see that without a guest pass or ID, that a non-resident can't use the pools, attend a class or activity at a rec center, or play golf or tennis or pickleball. But they can go to the squares and enjoy the music, attend concerts a the Savannah Center, go to the movies, eat at the restaurants including the country clubs, etc. So, much of the ambiance of TV is available, just certain things are not.
Just to reiterate what I observed at the AAC, if an exception is made for what appears to be a reasonable request, how does TV refuse a equally reasonable request? Where does it stop?
Further, let's say they allow non-resident "permanent" guest IDs. Those with friends at Stonecrest (just an example, not to reopen that can of worms again!) could get them an ID, and those with friends in Ocala, and those with friends in Bushnell, and so on. How do we differentiate? Does it have to be the opposite sex? Well that discriminates by gender. Do we place a limit? That discriminates against new Villages residents. And if a limit, how many? 1000? 10000? 20000?
So, what activities are you looking for admission to with your friend?
Mike:
The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.
The friend is fictitious at the moment. I just wanted to have a single person have the same rights as marrieds, to bring someone who lives outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to a special event, that married people already have the rights to. People who say "dems the rules", and "where does it stop" are going off on a tangent. IMHO
The single popular is being somewhat affected as the rule is saying in effect, "if you want to meet someone and take them to a event, you must meet a single person inside TV who is a resident, and and/or, a guest pass if they are renting or live with them.
A simple request for singles to have the same rights as marrieds, as we all pay the same amenity fees. By contrast, I am not asking married people to pay twice the amenity fee, because they use them, twice a much. I am also not saying that all people should obtain extra passes for their friends, who may live inside the 50 mile radius but outside TV. We all have paid for the priviledge of this elegant lifestyle.
I have to admit, I am getting amused by some of the responses especially from those that are not effected by this form of bias against the single population. Those who are not affected have a TV is perfect as it is, and if you don't like the rule, move to another location. I find this type of view to be offputting.
Several of us who have been on this forum for several years have always stated, "TV may not be perfect but is as close as you are going to get".
No one and nothing in life is perfect, but one can strive to get one's position in life, as close as possible to perfection. Demanding perfection is something that will make a person sick.
Off my soapbox. :smiley:
BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.
Bogie Shooter
01-02-2015, 05:46 PM
Mike:
The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.
Off my soapbox. :smiley:
BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.
Where is it that you read this as policy on Guest ID Passes?
There is nothing in the ID Policy on the VCDD web site that talks about 50 miles
Here is the policy:
http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/Guest%20ID%20Policy.pdf
janmcn
01-02-2015, 05:51 PM
Mike:
The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.
The friend is fictitious at the moment. I just wanted to have a single person have the same rights as marrieds, to bring someone who lives outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to a special event, that married people already have the rights to. People who say "dems the rules", and "where does it stop" are going off on a tangent. IMHO
The single popular is being somewhat affected as the rule is saying in effect, "if you want to meet someone and take them to a event, you must meet a single person inside TV who is a resident, and and/or, a guest pass if they are renting or live with them.
A simple request for singles to have the same rights as marrieds, as we all pay the same amenity fees. By contrast, I am not asking married people to pay twice the amenity fee, because they use them, twice a much. I am also not saying that all people should obtain extra passes for their friends, who may live inside the 50 mile radius but outside TV. We all have paid for the priviledge of this elegant lifestyle.
I have to admit, I am getting amused by some of the responses especially from those that are not effected by this form of bias against the single population. Those who are not affected have a TV is perfect as it is, and if you don't like the rule, move to another location. I find this type of view to be offputting.
Several of us who have been on this forum for several years have always stated, "TV may not be perfect but is as close as you are going to get".
No one and nothing in life is perfect, but one can strive to get one's position in life, as close as possible to perfection. Demanding perfection is something that will make a person sick.
Off my soapbox. :smiley:
BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.
This rule about excluding people who live in Lake, Marian, or Sumter Counties was not in place when I moved to TV in 2000. It was added about a decade ago, as I recall, because of residents with friends or family in the area.
To people who say that you knew the rules when you moved here, I say that is not necessarily true since those rules can and are changed periodically by the developer.
A good example of this was during the 'for sale sign' debacle in 2012 when residents, who previously were allowed signs were now banned from having signs in their yards, even though their deed restriction (some signed years ago) said that signs are permitted.
Bottom line is the developer, who writes the deed restrictions, can and does change them.
JoMar
01-02-2015, 06:17 PM
:clap2::clap2::clap2:I have friends that get mad at restaurants when they offer the incentive of a free beer or a glass of wine with a meal.
They say they don't like beer or wine and they want a mixed drink !!
Then of course there are the ones that don't like the incentive at all because it encourages drinking !
It gets crazy. We all have choices ! We all have to read the rules. Then make the choice, go or don't go, buy or don't buy.
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules." ;)
:clap2:
Mikeod
01-02-2015, 06:49 PM
Mike:
The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.
The friend is fictitious at the moment. I just wanted to have a single person have the same rights as marrieds, to bring someone who lives outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to a special event, that married people already have the rights to. People who say "dems the rules", and "where does it stop" are going off on a tangent. IMHO
The single popular is being somewhat affected as the rule is saying in effect, "if you want to meet someone and take them to a event, you must meet a single person inside TV who is a resident, and and/or, a guest pass if they are renting or live with them.
A simple request for singles to have the same rights as marrieds, as we all pay the same amenity fees. By contrast, I am not asking married people to pay twice the amenity fee, because they use them, twice a much. I am also not saying that all people should obtain extra passes for their friends, who may live inside the 50 mile radius but outside TV. We all have paid for the priviledge of this elegant lifestyle.
I have to admit, I am getting amused by some of the responses especially from those that are not effected by this form of bias against the single population. Those who are not affected have a TV is perfect as it is, and if you don't like the rule, move to another location. I find this type of view to be offputting.
Several of us who have been on this forum for several years have always stated, "TV may not be perfect but is as close as you are going to get".
No one and nothing in life is perfect, but one can strive to get one's position in life, as close as possible to perfection. Demanding perfection is something that will make a person sick.
Off my soapbox. :smiley:
BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.
To your last comment, that's the big question. No one knows how many people we are talking about. In a community of 100K+, there must be a significant number of singles. Your recommendation, if approved, would make all of them eligible for an additional ID. That, to me, will be the big push back from the district. That, plus, the expectation that other groups will demand the same privilege. For example, what if there are two siblings sharing a home. They are single, and each wants an ID so they, like you, could bring a date to the pools, golf, rec centers, etc.? Will they be denied because the home already has two IDs?
Again, I am not unsympathetic to your situation. But my experience tells me your odds of success are poor. But I believe you should pursue it because it is important to you and others and see what happens.
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 07:48 PM
Joe, agree with your last post. Sorry to see side taking based on couples being a majority, but in my view that is the REASON the rule exists that singles must subsidize amenities.
SOME responders on here....well, I am sad about it. Joe is not asking for an extra ID. He is asking to bring a date with him if he wants to date outside TV.
As I read the comments, some people on this thread demonstrate the twisted rationale of majority entitlement lording it over others, by using the following logic:
1. Singles pay twice the amount per person for amenities.
2. Snowbirds come in winter and use amenities only then, for which they pay year around.
3. There are too many snowbirds using "our" (full time couples) amenities.
4. If singles who date outside TV want permission for dates to use amenities, that will be even more people annoying us couples who are full time.
Therefore, in summary:
Singles should follow the rules and be quiet about it because they knew before they moved here what the rules were and if they don't like it they should move away. It may not be fair, but we like it unfair, because WE benefit.
And furthermore we wish all snowbirds, and especially those horrid locals would go away so we can have everything for ourselves.
Fraugoofy
01-02-2015, 08:03 PM
You do not have to marry. My partner and I are both in the deed and we each get a Villages ID. She golfs more than I do and I pool lounge more than she does. We are both very happy in TV...even though right now it is only part-time!
biker1
01-02-2015, 08:15 PM
"unfair", "biased", "discriminated" - these are all words that have been used in these posts. You essentially are asking for special treatment and are playing the role of a victim to try to justify it. I could be wrong but I don't believe that strategy will win you many supporters, nor will telling people they have "twisted rationals". Your assertion that "singles must subsidize amenities" is without merit. This thread should be mercifully killed.
Joe, agree with your last post. Sorry to see side taking based on couples being a majority, but in my view that is the REASON the rule exists that singles must subsidize amenities.
SOME responders on here....well, I am sad about it. Joe is not asking for an extra ID. He is asking to brong a date with him if he wants to date outside TV.
As I read the comments, some people on this thread demonstrate the twisted rationale of majority entitlement lording it over others, by using the following logic:
1. Singles pay twice the amount per person for amenities.
2. Snowbirds come in winter and use amenities only then, for which they pay year around.
3. There are too many snowbirds using "our" (full time couples) amenities.
4. If singles who date outside TV want permission for dates to use amenities, that will be even more people annoying us couples who are full time.
Therefore, in summary:
Singles should follow the rules and be quiet about it because they knew before they moved here what the rules were and if they don't like it they should move away. It may not be fair, but we like it unfair, because WE benefit.
And furthermore we wish snowbirds, and especially those horrid locals would go away so we can have everything for ourselves.
njbchbum
01-02-2015, 08:37 PM
Joe, agree with your last post. Sorry to see side taking based on couples being a majority, but in my view that is the REASON the rule exists that singles must subsidize amenities.
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Kitty - Don't the snowbirds subsidize the amenities for full-time married AND single residents?
dbussone
01-02-2015, 08:41 PM
No. They pay their fair share for having homes here 12 months per year. And many of those homes are rented during various periods while they collect rent. We could all do the same but many choose not to.
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 08:42 PM
Kitty - Don't the snowbirds subsidize the amenities for full-time married AND single residents?
Yes, that is part of my point. The thread has several comments that snowbirds are overwhelming TV, and therefore singles should not bring dates.....
Comments displaying no recognition of the fact that both singles and snowbird subsidize amenities.
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 08:54 PM
Actually, there is a marriage penalty - two earners will generally pay more in total tax is they are married than if they are single. If you have a single earner in a marriage, the tax rate is lower than if they were single - essentially the Government gives you a tax break for a stay at home spouse raising children. The Government, has, does, and will continue to try to encourage certain behaviors through the tax code. If you are unhappy then you can work to enact change.
Here is A quote from the article cited in the link below about the so-called marriage penalty. The penalty is that couples can file as single if the two of you would pay more as a couple. Some penalty.
"When you marry, you have the option of filing your tax return jointly, or filing separate tax returns. The marriage penalty takes effect when the taxes you pay jointly exceed what you would have paid if each of you had remained single and filed as single filers."
How Much the Marriage Tax Penalty Will Cost You - US News (http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2014/03/11/how-much-the-marriage-tax-penalty-will-cost-you)
Singles subsidize marrieds in federal taxes. Thems the rules.
njbchbum
01-02-2015, 09:04 PM
Yes, that is part of my point. The thread has several comments that snowbirds are overwhelming TV, and therefore singles should not bring dates.....
Comments displaying no recognition of the fact that both singles and snowbird subsidize amenities.
Kitty - Aren't amenities charged to a property like a bond or a maintenance fee? Every house pays a fee for trash pick-up - no matter how many people live in the house. If single residents are allowed to bring a guest from within the tri-county area should a married also be able to bring a guest because their spouse is not mobile, is ill and maybe not living at home or just plain does not like to go out?
Maybe we should all attend this meeting - I think I am going to try to go:
[from our can't-be-named on-line paper]
"District Manger Janet Tutt will be the featured speaker tackling the topic, �Where Does Our Money Go? The Villages Fees� from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 15 at Savannah Center.
"The event is sponsored by The Villages Homeowners Association North (Lady Lake-Lake County, Regions 1, 2, 3 and 4.)"
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 09:08 PM
Kitty - Aren't amenities charged to a property like a bond or a maintenance fee? Every house pays a fee for trash pick-up - no matter how many people live in the house. If single residents are allowed to bring a guest from within the tri-county area should a married also be able to bring a guest because their spouse is not mobile, is ill and maybe not living at home or just plain does not like to go out?
Maybe we should all attend this meeting - I think I am going to try to go:
[from our can't-be-named on-line paper]
"District Manger Janet Tutt will be the featured speaker tackling the topic, �Where Does Our Money Go? The Villages Fees� from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 15 at Savannah Center.
"The event is sponsored by The Villages Homeowners Association North (Lady Lake-Lake County, Regions 1, 2, 3 and 4.)"
I would not object to your suggestion at all, in fact I like it. What is the stingy hearted matter with some people? Thanks for the info on the meeting.
njbchbum
01-02-2015, 09:14 PM
No. They pay their fair share for having homes here 12 months per year. And many of those homes are rented during various periods while they collect rent. We could all do the same but many choose not to.
"Fair share"? Of what? The house uses no amenities; if a house is rented and the renter wants to use the amenities - the renter pays for a pass to do so. If anything - snowbirds pay year-round to support a community in which they do not participate year-round. Sorta like paying taxes - I don't drive on any roads/bridges west of the Mississippi but my tax dollars go toward building and maintaining them! ;)
maybe
01-02-2015, 09:26 PM
"Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!"
Joe's request would allow a single house owner to have as his guest his grandkid, aunt, ex, mistress, whomever, even if they lived within the 3 counties. The limitation would be the quantity, i.e. one, not who they are. It would not even be a fully equal guest pass if it could only be used when accompanied by the resident, but that would be a reasonable compromise. The reality is that it probably won't happen until a lot of people start raising the issue BEFORE they buy a house here.
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 09:30 PM
"Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!"
Joe's request would allow a single house owner to have as his guest his grandkid, aunt, ex, mistress, whomever, even if they lived within the 3 counties. The limitation would be the quantity, i.e. one, not who they are. It would not even be a fully equal guest pass if it could only be used when accompanied by the resident, but that would be a reasonable compromise. The reality is that it probably won't happen until a lot of people start raising the issue BEFORE they buy a house here.
There is already an allowance for guest pass for immediate relatives in tricounty, but not for mistresses...http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/Guest%20ID%20Policy.pdf
Villager Dude
01-02-2015, 09:42 PM
I would not issue another ID Card but would flag the single resident's card that would permit the guest to use facilities afforded a resident as long as the guest would be with the resident.
This would avoid ID cards getting loss etc.
Do you think this would work ?
IrisB52
01-02-2015, 09:43 PM
I agree with Rosygal and NjBchBum and believe the system should stay as it currently is.
If 2nd IDs are issued to non-residents and the relationship goes bust, there will be someone having access to facilities with no true vested interest in the place. If you bought your home here, you have a reason to keep the place top notch.
And as NjBchBum pointed out, snowbirds pay for 12 months of amenity fees even if they are here only for 3 months a year.
There are many (much older) residents who no longer use the athletic facilities but continue to live here because it is home and they pay the amenities fees. We all like to think that golf is free at TV, but the truth is, it is paid for by the amenity fee whether we golf or not. Believe it or not, I know some people here at TV who have NEVER golfed and don't plan on breaking their perfect record.
The IDs should remain for the homeowners/deed holders only.
downeaster
01-02-2015, 10:03 PM
Has anyone done any thing constructive about this subject? Contacted the HOA, or the POA? How about the VCCD? The AAC? Janet Tutt? John Rohan? Mark Morse?
164 posts are not going to do anything towards making anything happen.
Will some one please post here when they have made a positive step towards a solution.
biker1
01-02-2015, 10:13 PM
Wrong. The marriage penalty kicks in when two earners have close to the same income and are in the middle and upper marginal tax brackets. A married couple will pay more in taxes, combined, than if they were single. Married filing separately results in an even larger marriage penalty. It pays to be married if you have one earner or there is a large difference in earnings and you are in the lower marginal tax brackets. Those are the facts and singles do not subsidize married people.
Here is A quote from the article cited in the link below about the so-called marriage penalty. The penalty is that couples can file as single if the two of you would pay more as a couple. Some penalty.
"When you marry, you have the option of filing your tax return jointly, or filing separate tax returns. The marriage penalty takes effect when the taxes you pay jointly exceed what you would have paid if each of you had remained single and filed as single filers."
How Much the Marriage Tax Penalty Will Cost You - US News (http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2014/03/11/how-much-the-marriage-tax-penalty-will-cost-you)
Singles subsidize marrieds in federal taxes. Thems the rules.
biker1
01-02-2015, 10:24 PM
There is no solution because there is no problem (besides some single people whining about how they have been done wrong by the big, bad married majority - haha ).
Has anyone done any thing constructive about this subject? Contacted the HOA, or the POA? How about the VCCD? The AAC? Janet Tutt? John Rohan? Mark Morse?
164 posts are not going to do anything towards making anything happen.
Will some one please post here when they have made a positive step towards a solution.
kittygilchrist
01-02-2015, 10:34 PM
Wrong. The marriage penalty kicks in when two earners have close to the same income and are in the middle and upper marginal tax brackets. A married couple will pay more in taxes, combined, than if they were single. Married filing single results in an even larger marriage penalty. It pays to be married if you have one earner or there is a large difference in earnings and you are in the lower marginal tax brackets. Those are the facts and singles do not subsidize married people.
What you have in effect said is that there are rare exceptions to the disadvantage of being single. You make my point by calling it a marriage penalty in the rare event that someone coupled should ever pay a higher percentage than someone single.
Is scoffing and disdain as in your other posts really necessary to the discussion?
biker1
01-02-2015, 10:44 PM
Go back and reread your own posts before accusing me of anything. Your disdain of married people is most obvious and I don't whine about being done wrong by single people.
One more time, a married couple will pay more in combined taxes if they have similar incomes and are in the higher tax brackets than if they were single. This applies to a lot of people in this country and is hardly a rare event. What part of that are you having trouble with?
What you have in effect said is that there are rare exceptions to the disadvantage of being single. You make my point by calling it a marriage penalty in the rare event that someone coupled should ever pay a higher percentage than someone single.
Is scoffing and disdain as in your other posts really necessary to the discussion?
Bonny
01-02-2015, 10:58 PM
This rule about excluding people who live in Lake, Marian, or Sumter Counties was not in place when I moved to TV in 2000. It was added about a decade ago, as I recall, because of residents with friends or family in the area.
To people who say that you knew the rules when you moved here, I say that is not necessarily true since those rules can and are changed periodically by the developer.
A good example of this was during the 'for sale sign' debacle in 2012 when residents, who previously were allowed signs were now banned from having signs in their yards, even though their deed restriction (some signed years ago) said that signs are permitted.
Bottom line is the developer, who writes the deed restrictions, can and does change them.
I have also lived here since 2000 and I knew then that the tri county area, Lake , Sumter & Marion, were excluded to being able to get a pass. My daughter lives in Marion and that is how I know that.
VT2TV
01-02-2015, 11:21 PM
Interesting that you don't see the single villager as being 'greedy' [your word - not mine] for wanting something they knew that the 'rules/covenants/restrictions' do not allow for.
Kitty - Don't the snowbirds subsidize the amenities for full-time married AND single residents?
Are amenities not charged to a property and passes issued to resident[s] of that property?
:agree:
You can't go to the pools; you can't go to the rec centers; you can't join any of the clubs (because you can't get into the rec centers to go to the meetings); you can't take any of the classes; you have to pay an outsiders' fee for Lifelong Learning College classes. You can't get a gate pass or drive on any of the multi-modal paths. Oh wait... I guess you can if you're from Stonecrest. :evil6:
Of course you can't------They DON"T live here.
Actually I think it is past time for this thread to end. People are making snarky comments to and about others. We especially don't need comments from people (who don't live here) criticizing Villagers when they have no idea how the system works and the agreements everyone makes to live here. If they are planning to move to the Villagers, let this be a lesson to them to ask questions, and see things in writing before they sign on the contract.
First of allwhen the OP was talking about married people getting 2 permanent ID's--that is not true. I get 1 ID and my husband gets 1 ID-just like all the singles. I cannot use my husbands ID to get anybody into anything, so what advantage is that. Neither one of us can invite local people to join us in the pools, or on the gold course, or dances in the rec center, etc. Maybe I misunderstood the comment originally, but that was what started this whole thing. So what advantages concerning that do married people have??
As far as paying the same or different costs per person for the amenities, that is a battle you do not even want to get into. I do not have children, but my whole life, I have had to help pay for schools, buses, school supplies, etc. for the greater good of the community. I certainly had no choice. I am equally sure that there ane numerous people who have also had to pay for things they did not want or need.
I have only been here for 4 years, but it has been an issue ever since I have been here where people who live outside the area, close by, have wanted, and at times saw that they were told that they would have access to everything in the villages. People who live close-by, but not in the Villages have been in our swimming pools, our rec. centers, on our golf courses, pickleball and tennis courts, etc. Some people of course deny it, but I know most of it to be true. Any I don't think any of that will ever go away. So, I think it is only reasonable that many people (married or single) want to hold on tight to only allowing acces to these activities to those who are actual home owners. Otherwise, why would ANYONE pay the extra money to buy in the Villages if just anyone living in the area can use the facilities.
Also as far as the amenities go , if the single people, or the snow birds , or anyone feels the fees for the amenities are un-fair, maybe people would rather pay for the usage individually. The only ammenity my husband and I use is golf, so why should we pay to keep up everything else. Some of the snow birds are only here for 3 or 4 months, so why should they pay the same as people who are here 12 months? Isn't that what this thread is about...being fair.....
BTW, the rest of what I am going to say, is being said with tongue in cheek, so before anyone things I want this to happen---I don't!!
But to be fair, and show that the Villagers are not mean, snobby people like some have said, this is about the fairest way to make things work. Since a lot of people don't use a lot of the amenities, or have 1 or 2 people in a house hold, and maybe they don't have any visitors like some who have 20 a year, do this:::::Again, this is a farce. Just open up the Villages to everyone regardless where they live. That way singles can have all the dates they want. Anyone can do anything. Take away the monthly amenity fees, and charge people for each activity they use, and for the number of people whogo with them. If I use the pool, charge me for that. If I bring 10 grandkids, then I pay the fee for each one for eah time they use that facility or activity. That way, you will only be charged for what you are actually using, and a single is not paying for grandma to bring all of her grandkids to the pool. If I invite 5 friends to play gold then I will be charged for each of my friends. That way, it will be fair to everyone, right? If Joe wants to bring 2 women with him to a dance, then he pays for 3 people, if I don't have any visitors during the year, then I don't have to pay for the wear and tear that your visitors who are using them. Do you get my drift?? Etc, etc, etc... See, that makes it fair for everyone.
Now, I know my comments may have stirred up some people, but that was not my intention-just hopefully pointing out that the Developers made the best rules that they knew how to do with a huge crowd as we have in The Villages. If people go trying to change things to suit themselves, or even to be fair to everyone like I tried too above, then their well thought system does not work. Best thing is to just realize that you may not be happy with everything we have here, but most of us love it here, and it will just ruin our lifestyle if people try to change any part of it. If you don't like something, live with it, or as many people have said, enjoy the things you can do here, and then utilize all of the other opportunities outside the Villages. I can think and list several things I personally would like to see changed also, but our rules here have been made to be fair as much as possible.
villagerjack
01-02-2015, 11:28 PM
The Morse Famiily are near geniuses in creating without question the most successful model for senior or any other development for that matter, in the world. The major reason for that are the well thought out regulations that every single person signing a contract is made aware of before they purchase. Key to that is maintaining control over the amenities and not turning it over to the residents and their own self interests. If bringing dates to an event is so important, there are likely many senior developments right in our area that may accommodate this desire. The good news is that those homes are a lot less expensive and you probably will have a nice profit on your sale.
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