Save the Buffalo movement

[cabo35]

It appears that a fairly significant reaction to the loss of our buffalo is taking place. There has been significant activity around a very nice lady getting petitions signed at the buffalo preserve on Buena Vista. Many Villagers have asked her for blank petitions to take back to there neighborhoods. Several commercial establishments in Lake Sumter have offered to help with the petition drive. My wife and I spent some time with her twice today and virtually every cart that passed stopped, chatted, echoed support and signed.

I have received emails from neighbors that are looking for a way to show organized objection to the proposed removal of the buffalo. They are also offering to work for the cause. It was a hot topic at Toojays and buzz around the square.

I don't know how successful any effort will be but my guess is there is about to be a ground swell of publicity on the issue. Look for letters to the editor if they do not meet an unceremonious demise on the editor's desk. I know of several that are in transit.

Anybody have any major media connections? Sounds like the type of story that could capture national attention. Not sure which way it would spin for the developer. Any thoughts?

4 the buffalo

[chelsea24]

Cabo, I do have a suggestion. If you or someone would write a Press Release, I have software that can get it to all the major wire services and we can see if any picks it up. I think they will. I've used this software before with great results. Let me know what you think. ;)

p.s. We should have a contact person and a name for the movement. Anyone have any name suggestions?

[bestmickey]

Cabo, I do have a suggestion. If you or someone would write a Press Release, I have software that can get it to all the major wire services and we can see if any picks it up. I think they will. I've used this software before with great results. Let me know what you think. ;)

p.s. We should have a contact person and a name for the movement. Anyone have any name suggestions?


I have a suggestion for naming "the movement"..... SAVE OUR BUFFALO

So no one gets confused on what the intended meaning is of "SOB" ... for literature letterhead, you can create a picture of residents sobbing at the thought of losing their dear buffalo.

[marianne237]

Love it!!! :bigthumbsup:

[Talk Host]

My guess is that there have been serious enough problems with the Buffalo that the decision was not easily made and will not be reversed. Actually, the problem is not the Buffalo, it is the people who think they are family pets.

People stick their fingers (or their grandchildren's fingers) in the Buffalo's mouth, are bitten, then sue the developer. They reported that there have been 3 recent litigations. I know there have been many more than that over the years.

IF YOU WERE THE DEVELOPER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU REVERSE THE DECISION?

[villages07]

If I were the developer, I would look for a workable compromise. Leave one smaller group of buffalo near a people place (e.g. part of the pen near Lake Sumter) and erect the double fence to keep the stupid humans from hurting themselves.

Win-win....minimizes potential harm/lawsuits and still provides a central location where residents and their guests can enjoy this unique feature of The Villages. The rest of the herd can be relocated to a remote, safe place. The developer wins some goodwill points from the residents and we still get to look at "our" Buffalo.

I, too, met the lady with the petition drive yesterday. She is ready and willing to raise funds to erect a second fence. Not that the Developer needs funds for this, but, certainly does demonstrate how this action has affected the community.

Chels...love your idea about a press release. Yes, this can stir up some media interest outside the local community. No one is blaming the developer for having to take some action. I just hate to see it be an all or none choice.

[Taltarzac]

I am with Talk Host on this one. Stupid people seem to be the problem here not the buffalo. Well I should qualify this with stupid people and their lawyers.

There's not much that the developers can do to keep visitors to the Villages as well as some Villagers from attempting to pet, feed, or otherwise play with the buffalo. They are an attractive nuisance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive_nuisance_doctrine to put it in legal jargon.

Attractive nuisance applies to children trespassers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespasser but it looks like some states have law that brings adult trespassers into the doctrine too.

[graciegirl]

If I were the developer, I would look for a workable compromise. Leave one smaller group of buffalo near a people place (e.g. part of the pen near Lake Sumter) and erect the double fence to keep the stupid humans from hurting themselves.

Win-win....minimizes potential harm/lawsuits and still provides a central location where residents and their guests can enjoy this unique feature of The Villages. The rest of the herd can be relocated to a remote, safe place. The developer wins some goodwill points from the residents and we still get to look at "our" Buffalo.

I, too, met the lady with the petition drive yesterday. She is ready and willing to raise funds to erect a second fence. Not that the Developer needs funds for this, but, certainly does demonstrate how this action has affected the community.

Chels...love your idea about a press release. Yes, this can stir up some media interest outside the local community. No one is blaming the developer for having to take some action. I just hate to see it be an all or none choice.



OH Village 07. Will you run for something so I can vote for you?? I love your calm reasoned attitude and good evaluations and logical suggestions.

[MnGirl]

I too would love to see the buffalo stay.
You will need double fences on all the pastures. Buffalo have to be rotated to allow the grass to grow. Correct me if I'm wrong. :dontknow:
After the guy got trampled, the sign went up saying "Survivors will be prosecuted".

[Taltarzac]

Maybe, the developer could create a small zoo with some of the buffalo so that Villagers can still go and see these critters???

[scottke]

Anything we can do to keep the buffalo in view, I'm for. They are part of our Villages lifestyle.

[redwitch]

Once I found the buffalo, I feel in love with them. I loved just sitting and watching them. I hated the idiots who fed them and tried to pet them. They destroyed something majestic for all of us.

I'd love the idea that we could save the buffalo but I think the reality is they're gone from our sight. Even with double fences the odds are some will go through the first set of fences to get to the buffalo. No matter what, they would be considered attractive nuisances and these idiots would win more of their lawsuits than they would lose.

[beady]

I have to agree that it will be difficult to get the developer to change his ruling about removing the buffalo.
That being said, and considering the buffalo's long history with TV, it is troublesome for me to just let their relocation occur. Therefore, I would prefer to try and work out a solution providing those of us with common sense to prevail over the :edit: humans who put themselves in harms way and then expect to be compensated for their idiocy.
My letter to the editor has been sent....it will be interesting to see if it is printed. I will sign any petition and I love Chels idea of a press release.
IMHO we owe it to ourselves to be involved in the decision to remove "our" buffalo.

[redwitch]

I'll happily work to save them but will expect it to be a losing effort (always did like losing causes for some strange reason).

Maybe an electrical fence might be an answer to keep people from climbing between the two fences?

[beady]

Redwitch.....
I guess my cup is half full, and yours is half empty. Together with some of the other interested villagers we will hopefully fill the cup. :) and drink to our success. :beer2:

[Rokinronda]

My glass is always half full. I am optimistic our voices will be heard and our wishes fulfilled. Only time will tell. ;D

[Beltlady]

I love it too. Get's my vote.
I have a suggestion for naming "the movement"..... SAVE OUR BUFFALO

So no one gets confused on what the intended meaning is of "SOB" ... for literature letterhead, you can create a picture of residents sobbing at the thought of losing their dear buffalo.

[GERALDINE]

BOTH the double fence idea AND the press releases are GREAT ideas. I would also suggest calling all the TV channels...they should be eager for news other than murder, robbery, rape, in Orlando etc. I think they'd jump on this. I too don't want to see the buffalo removed because of a couple of STUPID humans...not to mention the attorneys and courts who let this CRAP into the legal system!!!!

Will the developer change his/her mind? I don't know...but if I were them, I'd give some serious thought to it. Who wants a bunch of "unhappy campers". The Buffalo are an integral part of The Villages and I want them to stay...but safely.

I'll do whatever I can to help.

[Taltarzac]

How about privacy fences rather than the fences they have around the various fields with the buffalo and then some observation stands so that people can see the buffalo from above the privacy fences??? http://www.askthebuilder.com/639_Privacy_Fence.shtml

That does not seem to be that costly and would take into account the need to move the buffalo from field to field??

[GERALDINE]

Re: Sorry To Be The Bearer Of Bad News

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Most of you are right it is SAD...but it's more than "SAD"... it's a major change to our surroundings and it's not fair that the majority is punished because of the stupidity of a few. It's just like everything else...the vocal minority win out over the majority because they dare to stand up and be heard...or in this case...were idiotic enough to climb over a fence!!! There's an old saying about things like this, "...when they came for the Jews I said and did nothing because I wasn't a Jew..." Remember this whole saying? What it boils down to is if YOU AND ME don't take a stand for what we want and what we believe then nothing will change and things will continue to be taken away from us...little by little by little until TV doesn't even resemble the reason we all moved here.

Yes, a "Park" would be nice...but NOT at the expense of losing the Buffalo grazing in their fields. Put the park somewhere else and BRING BACK THE BUFFALO. Put up a double fence, put up more warning signs (...course anyone stupid enough to climb over a fence into a buffalo herd probably can't read!!!) but PLEASE don't punish 69,997* of us because the other 3 are IDIOTS!!!!

*Based on recent statistics and for illustration purposes only!!!

[Barefoot]

If you or someone would write a Press Release, I have software that can get it to all the major wire services and we can see if any picks it up.

Re "Save Our Buffalo" ... Chels, this is a great, positive approach to the issue! :bigthumbsup: You are truly a creative thinker.

[firecracker05]

Any ideas on how to go about it? If I can send a press realease, I most certainly will. Is there a petition going around TV? If so, I'd be more than happy to sign it in large red letters. Yesterday I saw yet another group of people gawking. And as usual they were as close as the fence would allow. Do these people think since the buffalo are fenced in that they must be tame animals? I might begin to keep my camera/cell phone with me. That way when they get hurt & sue TV the judge will throw them out on their carc-ass-es.

[Muncle]

The Great Spirit gave to our people the blessing of brother Buffalo. We lived for generations in harmony with the great herds, often more of these beautiful creatures than a public school educated person could count. When your ancestors first came to this great land of The Villages, these noble creatures were everywhere. It would take explorers a full day to ride around the massive herds, even in the most souped up golf cart. The Great White Father Schwartz promised that brother Buffalo would continue to inhabit this land in harmony with our people as well as with the pale skinned retirees. All would live in peace and tranquility as long as the grasses grew green, the waters flowed free, and the sky was blue.

But the dreaded iron horses, many from such places as Germany, Japan, and Korea as well as Detroit, continued to bring more and more of the pale skinned retirees and they rapidly overran the lands. The sacred Snow Birds, long honored in our native culture as the bringers of winter loot, were replaced by the more voracious Frogs who pledged to stay until they croaked. Soon the waters were tainted, especially those used for irrigation, and the grasses turned brown. The skies were filled with low flying private airplanes that are a threat to everyone --- there aught to be a law --- and wild pagan killer kites from the Orient. Brother Eagle lost his home to an evil wind caused equally by global warming and some paper from Kyoto and he left the area without protection. Soon there was a threat of being engulfed by the most feared demons of the evil one, a curse worse even than brother Coyote, the Trial Lawyers.

Now there is no choice. The last vestige of our great culture must leave. The great Buffalo is no more.

[jadebox]

ROTFLMAO!!!! You are too much. I have been feeling down and you made me feel better--even just for a short time is good.

[nONIE]

Oh Muncle, Truly a masterpiece, your thinking processes never cease to amaze me. :clap2:

[chelsea24]

There were people out at LSL tonight with petitions. Again, I want to state that if someone would write a press release (I would do it myself, but I don't know the history of them here.) I have the ability and software to get it to the wire services. Please come forward and let me know or at least pm me the history of the buffalo here and I'll write it. I think this is important. SAVE OUR BUFFALO. No guarantees it will work, but not to try is sad. Please feel free to pm me with the history. Thanks.

[Talk Host]

If they had moved the Buffalo and not told anybody, it would have never been noticed.

[DDoug]

Touch with your eyes but don't see with your hands

[villages07]

Jan,

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you on that observation. Perhaps up in the far NW corner where you are the Buffs aren't as noticeable, but everywhere south of 466 you pass by them everyday and they are a fixture here. I would have noticed their absence immediately and I'm sure many others would have too.

[nitehawk]

Maybe we could change the school mascot to a Rattle Snake and put them in the open fields - wonder how many people will be feeding them

[MnGirl]

If you really want the buffalo to stay, you may start with a petition.
What you'll need is a solution. A real one!
No whining, unless you have some answers.

[chelsea24]

I think a good and REAL is the double fence idea. It would seem that even the dumbest of people (and there seem to be at least three, but I've seen more) would know better then to climb or have they're grandkids climb a double fence. Sounds like a plan to me.

[golfnut]

I too like the double fence idea, you can see them but can't get close enough to get hurt. May need to put a (oh never mind).

[Barefoot]

I still think you'd need electrical fencing on the top of the outside fence to deter people. It is unpleasant but not dangerous. I've often used it with horse fencing.

When you approach a mother buff with a baby, she becomes upset and warns you away by grunting and pawing the ground. The kind of person who is stupid enough to reach through the fence to pat a baby, ignoring the mother buff's warnings, probably won't be deterred by a double fence.

Of course that type of person would probably sue for the emotional upset caused by brushing against an electrical fence. :dontknow:

[beady]

Sorry Jan, But I disagree. I always check to see where the buff's are, mostly because they rotate them from pasture to pasture. I think people were especially interested recently because of the birth of several calves. If they had just disappeared I believe a lot of us would have been immediately aware.

[togabill]

Since I left the Villages about 3 weeks ago this is the first I have heard of this.

I can't imagine The Villages without the Buffalo. It is one of the scenes that definitely drew us to the community.

If the developer is having trouble with lawsuits I wish we could relocate those residents that allow grandchildren to get that close. Obviously that can't be done so I hope a solution can be arrived at to resolve this. We have to live with these type of people every day unfortunately.

If the Buffalo are removed what will we get in those places..a Costco Store etc. ugh. Is that behind this decision?

Reasonable people can usually solve a problem like this. Save Our Buffalo.

[Barefoot]

If they had moved the Buffalo and not told anybody, it would have never been noticed.

Wow, Jan, I'm amazed that you think we wouldn't have noticed if the buffs disappeared. :dontknow: I'll bet that 70% of Villagers look for the buffs, enjoy the ambience of the buffs, and would absolutely notice if they disappeared!

And with the new babies, as Beady pointed out, people are especially interested. The baby buffs are adorable. lovehorse

(BTW, I know the love horse isn't a baby buff.)

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Hi, perhaps we need the security system that they use around jails in our area. This type of fencing keeps the people away from the jails, no one has ever been seen offering any of the prisoners carrots - so I guess this fencing works. ;) And most important the prisoners stay on their side of the fence and all others do not even get close to the fence.

I look forward to seeing the buffs. Did anyone take pics of the babies and if so can you please post them?

Thanks

HB

[Donna]

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/winking.gif (http://www.millan.net)..I would be very happy to bring my two horses; Rusty>>> http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/vithest1.gif (http://www.millan.net)& Lucky >>>http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/brunhest1.gif (http://www.millan.net)there for the peeps to pet, and feed..

They are harmless and it would give me a good excuse to stay in TV full time...http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/winking.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[Donna]

Any one want to open a small petting zoo with me... http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/dog.gif (http://www.millan.net)I think that is a great idea and the people would love it.. :bigthumbsup:

[smalldog]

YOU DON"T SUPPOSE
:verymad:

the developer just needs more room for developement of some sort :dontknow:

naah!*! that would be dirty and underhanded :redface:

[Taltarzac]

Not sure if this is true but there is a stupid lawsuit rumored to be in the works against the Villages' developer. Seems a grandmother and her grandchild were feeding the buffalo and one of them lunged at the fence to get at the carrot which startled the grandmother enough that she fell on her grandkid and injured him or her.

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Donna I will bring the carrots.

Do they prefer the organic ones, red ones, yellow ones, black ones or the new white ones I just saw in the store. ;)

HB

[Donna]

HB..they love all carrots ;)

[swrinfla]

Jan:

:agree: with beady

:agree: with villages07

:agree: with barefoot

:agree: with anyone else who knows that the sudden absence of the buffalo would have been noticed AT ONCE!

SWR

[chelsea24]

So, I just got home from a jaunt on the golf cart and I saw Buffalo's with babies off one of the golf cart paths. But don't ask me which one because I don't know the paths yet. My point is there was a golf cart with two people pulled over to the side, across the path from the buffs, a respectful distance, admiring them. Then there was another golf cart with a man in it and I look and there AT THE FENCE, some dippy old lady with her camera out trying to get right into the buffs face. So of course I screeched on my brakes and yelled "Get away from that fence! They will charge at you! They have babies!" And some of more :edit:!

Well, I scared the :edit: out of her and she moved away. I'm sorry, I will never get over the stupidity of people! Also, I did see the lady out with the petitions again, so that was good to see. And Jan, you're dead wrong, the buffs disappearance would be noticed by most.

Another plea, please someone, pm me the history of the buffalo here. I won't use your name. Thanks.

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Chel thank you so much for what you said "so politely" to that woman.

TVer's are not the only "brilliant" ones out there who do these types of things. When we were in a Safari in Africa a "brilliant" American wearing a red jacket stuck half his body out of the van to get a better picture of a lion. Yes, he did have a zoom lens on his camera.

When the lion lunged for him, he never did that again.

We were given verbal instructions what we can and can not do - daily and sometimes twice a day. I could not understand why they did it so often, now I know why.

I guess most of us are enamored with wild life and we lose our reasoning powers when we see them. I did ponder how to take home an adorable little wild mountain goat that was so very sweet, and then there were the penguins ....

HB

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Donna they sell carrots in five pound bags and by the bushel - which one should I buy? ;)

HB

[chelsea24]

LOLOLOLOL HB! No one's going to get "polite" from me if I see them too close to those buffs! :verymad:

[Barefoot]

LOLOLOLOL HB! No one's going to get "polite" from me if I see them too close to those buffs! :verymad:

Good for you Chels, let's hope everyone follows your lead. ;)
Protect the buffs.

[redwitch]

Went and saw the buffalo today and took several pictures. I will really miss them. As I was leaving, quite a few golf carts stopped. Of course, half of idiots had carrots for the buffalo and were getting incredibly close to them. I guess they think the buffalo only hurt others, never them. sigh

After that, went to LSL and saw the lady collecting signatures. I happily signed, so did Jess. We talked a bit and I was truly stunned by the ideas some people had. Apparently someone wants to know the names of those who sued TV about injury from the buffalo so that they can start a class action lawsuit against those injured by the buffalo and suing TV for lessening the value of their property. Having worked with attorneys almost my entire adult life, it took everything I had to not burst out laughing. I have no doubt some attorney will happily take their money. However, there is some reality and facts people need to face -- the buffalo have injured people over a span of years. There is no question that the developers and managers of TV were aware of at least some of these injuries. Thus, there is knowledge that (1) the buffaloes attract people and (2) that people have been hurt by the buffalo because of the idiot actions of those people. This is what is at the very heart of "attractive nuisance" lawsuits. The injured had a right to sue. The developer ultimately has an obligation to protect people from their own stupidity (what a sad statement that is). The ones harmed are those who do respect the buffalo as the magnificent animals they are. We lose. The stupid ones (and their attorneys) win. I honestly can't imagine a judge letting a class action suit go forward against those injured.

Those who are attorneys or who have studied the law, what do you think -- does such a class action suit have even a buffalo horn to stand on?

[The Great Fumar]

You know Roy Rogers and Gene Autry mounted Trigger and Champion ...I say we mount twelve Buffalo and place one in front of each Country Club
Then we can all concentrate on finding a new Mascot ,,,Like maybe
a GOLDFISH !!! If that is well accepted , maybe we can discuss a few little doggies that run around my neighborhood .. (being mounted that is)..

Mama's little helper FUMAR :joke: ;D ;D :#1:

[Barefoot]

You know Roy Rogers and Gene Autry mounted Trigger and Champion ...I say we mount twelve Buffalo and place one in front of each Country Club. Then we can all concentrate on finding a new Mascot ,,,Like maybe a GOLDFISH !!! If that is well accepted , maybe we can discuss a few little doggies that run around my neighborhood .. (being mounted that is)..

Fumar, watch it with the mounting little doggies talk! ;D Picture this ... we could mount a Fumar and place him in front of the Dog Park entrance as eternal penance for his dog remarks. :clap2:

[villages07]

and the little doggies could pay homage to the fumar statue by pretending it is a fire hydrant. ;D

[Donna]

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[redwitch]

Ya know, I almost but not quite feel sorry for Fumar.

Once he's mounted, I think we should paint him bright red to make sure the doggies KNOW he is a fire hydrant. Personally, I think he'd be the perfect greeter at the new doggy park when it opens.

[nONIE]

Fumar, you have to admit, you asked for this, better reconsider how you feel about little doggies! You will never live this down! These nice ladies will make mincemeat out of you! :verymad:

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Fumar :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: with what everyone has posted about your idea.

HB

[Rokinronda]

bare, 07, red, nonie, I am :a20: A RED FUMAR :redface: in a bowing doggy style stance so our doggies can get him but good! :bow: Fumar, were you not allowed pets as a child? Don't you know who mans best friend is?

[bsliny]

When i was in the Villages recently i said to my wife what happened to the Buffalo's
Well now i know They shouldn't move the Buffalo's They should move the IDIOTS
that caused this problem :hot: :beer2: :hot:

[Taltarzac]

Went and saw the buffalo today and took several pictures. I will really miss them. As I was leaving, quite a few golf carts stopped. Of course, half of idiots had carrots for the buffalo and were getting incredibly close to them. I guess they think the buffalo only hurt others, never them. sigh

After that, went to LSL and saw the lady collecting signatures. I happily signed, so did Jess. We talked a bit and I was truly stunned by the ideas some people had. Apparently someone wants to know the names of those who sued TV about injury from the buffalo so that they can start a class action lawsuit against those injured by the buffalo and suing TV for lessening the value of their property. Having worked with attorneys almost my entire adult life, it took everything I had to not burst out laughing. I have no doubt some attorney will happily take their money. However, there is some reality and facts people need to face -- the buffalo have injured people over a span of years. There is no question that the developers and managers of TV were aware of at least some of these injuries. Thus, there is knowledge that (1) the buffaloes attract people and (2) that people have been hurt by the buffalo because of the idiot actions of those people. This is what is at the very heart of "attractive nuisance" lawsuits. The injured had a right to sue. The developer ultimately has an obligation to protect people from their own stupidity (what a sad statement that is). The ones harmed are those who do respect the buffalo as the magnificent animals they are. We lose. The stupid ones (and their attorneys) win. I honestly can't imagine a judge letting a class action suit go forward against those injured.

Those who are attorneys or who have studied the law, what do you think -- does such a class action suit have even a buffalo horn to stand on?


You have got to be kidding. The judge would be laughing on the inside and probably on the outside as she heard this class lawsuit against those who were injured by the buffalo. I am sure that you could get an attorney to take this lawsuit against the injured by the buffalo though. :agree:

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Tal can a lawsuit be brought against people who do not follow regulations and thus infringe on the rights of others?

I do know laws are quite interesting - if a burglar is robbing your home and in the process injures himself I have heard he can sue you.

HB

[SteveZ]

..... This is what is at the very heart of "attractive nuisance" lawsuits. The injured had a right to sue. The developer ultimately has an obligation to protect people from their own stupidity (what a sad statement that is). The ones harmed are those who do respect the buffalo as the magnificent animals they are. We lose. The stupid ones (and their attorneys) win. I honestly can't imagine a judge letting a class action suit go forward against those injured.

Those who are attorneys or who have studied the law, what do you think -- does such a class action suit have even a buffalo horn to stand on?


The question is always whether there is a reasonable expectation of care and protection against a known or perceived hazard. As an example - fencing is required (a certain height and type) around a swimming pool specifically because of a pool being considered a known hazard. So, does the landowner have a "duty of care" in this regard, was the "duty" breached by neglect or insufficiency in any manner, and lastly, what "damages" were indeed incurred?

As far as the suggested class action suit, my guess is that would probably hinge on whether the homeowners' deeds (including covenants and restrictions) have a "buffalo" provision. If they don't, then (pardon the pun) the "chips" have already fallen......

[Taltarzac]

Tal can a lawsuit be brought against people who do not follow regulations and thus infringe on the rights of others?

I do know laws are quite interesting - if a burglar is robbing your home and in the process injures himself I have heard he can sue you.

HB


Sure that sounds like a likely scenario for a lawsuit like when some tourists feed a gator and the gator then takes a chunk out of a park employee. The park employee would have a good lawsuit IMHO.

Not sure if that is the case with grandkids and grandparents feeding the buffalo as they are not even trespassers unless they climb over the fence (or even fences) and then do this.

[rlight]

Tsk Tsk. All you gentle people. Getting bit by a Buffalo is a teachable event. Cause and effect. No further action need be taken.

No doubt some people see all misfortunes as an opportunity these days.

[chelsea24]

Saw the buffs doubled fenced in two areas today off of 466. Is that a good sign or was it always that way there? :dontknow: Does anyone know?

[golfnut]

where on 466 ??? i don't recall seeing any double fences anywhere.

[Taltarzac]

I have seen some double fences in TV if you mean corrals quite a distance from the outer set of fences???

[Number 6]

I think I would prefer the movement to be called "Save Our Bison", as they are not Buffalo.

[Taltarzac]

I think I would prefer the movement to be called "Save Our Bison", as they are not Buffalo.


That's correct, but more people might jump on board with the word "buffalo". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bison

[Talk Host]

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o69/talkofthevillages/backfence.jpg

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Jan thanks for the picture. Now we have a poster buffalo/bison for a petition. Should we name him? S/He can be just like Smokey the Bear.

If you can please post pics of the babies for all of not in TV right now.

Appreciate it if you can.

HB

[Barefoot]

HB, buffalo baby pics were posted last week by several different people. There are some wonderful pics on TOTV. We took some, and I can e-mail them to you if you can't find the ones on this site.

[Talk Host]

Jan thanks for the picture. Now we have a poster buffalo/bison for a petition. Should we name him? S/He can be just like Smokey the Bear.

If you can please post pics of the babies for all of not in TV right now.

Appreciate it if you can.

HB


Actually this animal is not a Villages Buffalo. I took this picture in my back yard. We have a horse ranch and Buffalo ranch at our back fence in Chatham. This guy was looking at me over my back fence.

[Muncle]

Actually this animal is not a Villages Buffalo. I took this picture in my back yard. We have a horse ranch and Buffalo ranch at our back fence in Chatham. This guy was looking at me over my back fence.


Hey Jan, if you could arrange to get bitten or maybe even scared a bit, you could sue the owner of the ranch for a few mil. After lawyer fees, you still probably have enough to buy a place in one of the Bridgeports and get away from the train.

Just a thought, and . . . since it was my idea, ummm . . . any chance of getting a small cut? Nothing too big. Just a little thank you recognition.

[chelsea24]

Tal, maybe that's what I saw a coral quite a bit away from the fence. hmmmm, I never noticed that before. So, my question is, if they can do that, why can't they double fence the rest? :dontknow: It can't possibly cost that much.

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Hi BF, thank you for letting me know. I found them. I wish I could have been standing next to 07 - to me that was a once in a life time experience.

HB

[Rokinronda]

Yes, HB an amazing sight!

[Rokinronda]

Any one want to open a small petting zoo with me... http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/dog.gif (http://www.millan.net)I think that is a great idea and the people would love it.. :bigthumbsup:
Donna I just saw this older post and thought...YES I WOULD LOVE TO!! How would we even begin a venture such as this? Could we lease a small plot of land? I have never had the opportunity to be around all the animals I so love. The closest was my Great Grandpa's chicken farm and it was a childhood nightmare! They pecked the heck out of me. But goats, small pigs, sheep, lambs, ponies....on the other hand it sounds like very hard ,work and I'm done with HARD LABOR! (I'll hang with the kiddies and enjoy being a kid again)....oh well.........I need to go to Uncle Donalds Farm here, ever been??

[The Gray Hog]

Buffalo on the hoof get the boot. How sad.
Noticed people are still not getting the idea to back off the fences.

[nONIE]

I got excited too Ronda when I read Donnas post. The idea of a small petting zoo is so exciting, but like you, I thought of the work involved. Now if this was 20 years ago!!!!

I was going to start a small business with Miniature horses for kids birthday parties called "Nonies Ponies". Even bought the ponies and then realized Hey do I want this responsibility and liability? Guess you know the answer. Well, mabe in my next life, for the rest of this one I want to enjoy life and have fun. Guess that means being a little on the lazy side, and after this clean up chore, I think I will be totally allergic to work!!

Wanna buy a couple rockers cheap? Ill make you such a deal!

woops, sorry about the hijack!

[tony]

Why wouldn't you call it Nonie's Horses?

[nONIE]

Tonyeeeeeee! It doesnt rhyme! ::)

[zcaveman]

When I first moved here in 2001, the buffalo were prominent on El Camino Real next to the aqua-driving range. They were in this very large field and they also had some behind the Albertson's grocery store.

Now there are no buffalo on the north side of 466. The ones behind Albertsons were moved to put up a heart clinic. The ones in the very large field were relocated so they could put up a Old Folks home (or whatever). They are moving the buffaloes from next to Bob Evans. Any bets as to what business is going to be put up there?

Does anyone see a trend?

Petition all you want and the buffalo are still gone.

For some of it, I blame the idiots that feed the bufgfalo. For some, I blame those that see money in the law suit from getting bit or hit by the buffalo. For some, I blame urban growth.

Just my opinion.

[jflynn1]

What happened to the petition that was being circulated this past weekend?
I heard that there were over 3000 signatures collected to save the Buffalo.

[golfnut]

Quote from Danger section near the end of the Bison article in wikipedia thread above. "Bison also have the unexpected ability, given the animal's size and body structure, to leap over a standard barbed-wire fence." Whoa!

[beady]

Nonie, Rhonda and Donna, FYI
Uncle Donald's Farm in Lady Lake is just what you all are thinking about. It is a working farm but a portion of it is a petting zoo/farm. They have regular farm animals, exotic "pets" they have rescued and pony rides. All are available to pat and feed , you can even milk a goat. The exotics are in a seperate area and obviously you won't pat a cougar or fox.
My grandaughters loved it and they are now the owners of a bunny after falling in love with the ones they held and patted at the farm.

[Rokinronda]

Nonie, I want a rocker to live up to my name!!! Name your price! Beady, thanks for Uncles Farm info! Next time Taylor visits we are going!

[KathieI]

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/winking.gif (http://www.millan.net)..I would be very happy to bring my two horses; Rusty>>> http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/vithest1.gif (http://www.millan.net)& Lucky >>>http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/brunhest1.gif (http://www.millan.net)there for the peeps to pet, and feed..

They are harmless and it would give me a good excuse to stay in TV full time...http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/winking.gif (http://www.millan.net)


Donna, what a wonderful idea. I'll do anything to keep you in TV full time, so let's work on this idea along with the petting zoo. I'm available to help as soon as I finish my packing.

I'm just catching up on these posts, I'm so sad to be losing the buffs, I fell in love with them my first visit to TV, I felt they were such a major part of the charm of the community. This is extremely sad.

If anyone sees the petition lady again, put my name on the list, I'm giving you permission.
Keep the faith, kids, hopefully we may win out in the end.