Packing Pastor

[dewilson58]

Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.

Officials say Parangan was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

Deputies are investigating the shooting as a case of self-defense. Authorities say charges are pending against Parangan.

Earlier this month, Pastor James "Tripp" Battle was fatally shot at his Bradenton church.


And they don't reserve seats in his church either.

[dbussone]

Reminds me of the Clint Eastwood movie. Pale Rider

[sunnyatlast]

Sounds like a crazy situation, but the pastor probably knew the employee quite well and knew how volatile the employee is, and thus the pastor packed accordingly. Firing people is dangerous nowadays. Even if the pastor had fired him in the presence of police, the guy could have come back later at any time on a shooting rampage.

[Jimturner]

And fortunately the paster had the good since to carry.

[ureout]

really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired

[The20Percent]

really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired


Yes, he was very smart to be carrying his weapon and even smarter to use it to protect his own life. Thanks to this pastors quick reaction in using his carry weapon, this raged shooter did not get the opportunity to fire anymore bullets into the pastor or into any children in the day care facility, be it by accident or not.

[MikeV]

really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired


Ah, yup!

[Sandtrap328]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?

[dewilson58]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?


And that mother gives her two year old keys to the golf cart and she reserves chairs at SS.

[dbussone]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?



It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.



Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.



Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?


Yes they do. There are numerous examples every month. Perhaps you should subscribe to the NRA monthly magazine. Might open your eyes.

[Chi-Town]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
Another Darwin Award candidate to close out 2014.

[ureout]

Yes, he was very smart to be carrying his weapon and even smarter to use it to protect his own life. Thanks to this pastors quick reaction in using his carry weapon, this raged shooter did not get the opportunity to fire anymore bullets into the pastor or into any children in the day care facility, be it by accident or not.

first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt

[dbussone]

first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt

If the police are called to assist in firing someone, I doubt they would come. Let's say they did though, what is the person who did the firing supposed to do thereafter? Ask for permanent bodyguards from the police? So maybe your kids are not around when something happens, but someone else probably will be when the individual returns. I seriously doubt this was the first time the pastor had fired his weapon.

[dbussone]

first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt

Let's change things up a bit. What if your kids were in that school and someone entered the school with the intent of harming the children and had a weapon. Would you still not want anyone around who was carrying?

[janmcn]

The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!

[dewilson58]

The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!

A lot of times over the last 50 years, I needed protection from myself.

:22yikes::22yikes:

[lamplighter]

Something happens...we only learn a few facts....but humans are good story tellers...we fill in the blanks ...

[dbussone]

The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!

Please provide the source data for your supposition.

[Serenoa]

The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!

He must have been a sharpshooter to hit something so small.

Everyone knows that most gun nuts are just.....compensating.

[patfla06]

Wasn't surprised to hear the Pastor was packing when I
heard it was in Poinciana.

[skip0358]

first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt

So with the schools that are starting to let Teachers & Principals carry you wouldn't want your kids going there? How many students could be hurt by a crazed nut job before 911 was called and arrived ? Someone pulls a gun on you bang your dead. Besides I really don't blame the Pastor for carrying there's money to be had in churches and who would expect him to be carrying. JMO

[Sandtrap328]

So with the schools that are starting to let Teachers & Principles carry you wouldn't want your kids going there? JMO

If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".

[skip0358]

If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".

So I spelled it wrong! Actually spell check corrected it! I didn't say I agreed with it just that it's starting to happen and IF your school does it you can't stop sending your child there. You have no idea how many people are packing a piece and where they might be including church. That's what I'm saying.

[graciegirl]

Sandtrap you won't change anyone's mind who feels the need to own and carry a gun.

I am 75 years old and none of my teachers, nor any of my pastors or sunday school teachers felt the need to carry a gun. Glad I got here when I did, and seem to be scheduled to leave at the right time too.

I don't have one, but I may see the need to change my mind.

No use arguing....Take it on a case to case basis.

We are very safe here, but when we had all those break in's I had to think that those young punks were foolin' with the wrong group.

[dewilson58]

Sandtrap you won't change anyone's mind who feels the need to own and carry a gun.

I am 75 years old and none of my teachers, nor any of my pastors or sunday school teachers felt the need to carry a gun. Glad I got here when I did, and seem to be scheduled to leave at the right time too.

I don't have one, but I may see the need to change my mind.

No use arguing....Take it on a case to case basis.

We are very safe here, but when we had all those break in's I had to think that those young punks were foolin' with the wrong group.


You're correct, this is "one of those topics" where it is difficult to change minds. I don't know if my pastors or teachers carried, I think I might be surprised. I'm glad my sixth grade teacher didn't carry, I KNOW she would have shot me..........spanking was not enough. :a040::a040:

Glad in this situation, it worked out.

[billethkid]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?

The isolated incident is so noted!

How about wondering how a two year old knew how to hold, aim and shoot.
I suspect like too many modern families there is very little control over what kids watch or hear any more. And of course the worst crime of all using the television as a baby sitter.

Acknowledge the isolated incident and let's do something about the real problem of how our permissive society, do not deny anybody anything don't upset anybody and above all there shall be little or no enforcement.

Yes, I would like to know how a two year old knows what to do with a gun!!!

And yes a packing pastor demonstrates the wisdom of his decision. As well as being ready to protect his flock as and if ever needed.

[bluedog103]

Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.

And they don't reserve seats in his church either.
This time a good guy had a weapon too. All too often it's only the bad guys.

[Jimturner]

Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.



Officials say Parangan was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

Deputies are investigating the shooting as a case of self-defense. Authorities say charges are pending against Parangan.

Earlier this month, Pastor James "Tripp" Battle was fatally shot at his Bradenton church.


And they don't reserve seats in his church either.

I love a story with a happy ending.

[Jimturner]

If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".

Not as quick or as often as a nut bag will assault a school where no one can defend the children.

[Loudoll]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
Did the pastor save his own life by shooting the guy who tried to kill him? This is a yes or no question.

[Loudoll]

Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
The two year old did not have a permit to carry, sorry. No points.

[Loudoll]

first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt
So you don't want your kids protected?

[billethkid]

If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".

While doing the research be sure to include the incidents of soldiers shooting soldiers or police shooting police.

Does it happen? Of course....ISOLATED INCIDENTS.....do not a case make!

If none of us ever left the house we will be much safer than the rest of you who venture into the unknown. And we would only be subject to all the things that could happen to us in the home. The operative word "could". Reality? Go out and enjoy life with the other risk takers who are facing the world.....and all that "could" happen out there.

Isolated incidents just do not form how we live our lives or affect the decisions we make. Worthy of note and be aware....of course.

[Monkei]

Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.

Officials say Parangan was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

Deputies are investigating the shooting as a case of self-defense. Authorities say charges are pending against Parangan.

Earlier this month, Pastor James "Tripp" Battle was fatally shot at his Bradenton church.


And they don't reserve seats in his church either.

Why can't some of these guys target the Pat Robertson's of this world? Or any of the other hundreds of TV pastors who make a buck off religion but still practice the speech of hate.

[sunnyatlast]

Why can't some of these guys target the Pat Robertson's of this world? Or any of the other hundreds of TV pastors who make a buck off religion but still practice the speech of hate.

Is that supposed to be tolerant and accepting speech????

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

[dbussone]

Is that supposed to be tolerant and accepting speech????



:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:


Amen.

[Sandtrap328]

While doing the research be sure to include the incidents of soldiers shooting soldiers or police shooting police.

Does it happen? Of course....ISOLATED INCIDENTS.....do not a case make!

If none of us ever left the house we will be much safer than the rest of you who venture into the unknown. And we would only be subject to all the things that could happen to us in the home. The operative word "could". Reality? Go out and enjoy life with the other risk takers who are facing the world.....and all that "could" happen out there.

Isolated incidents just do not form how we live our lives or affect the decisions we make. Worthy of note and be aware....of course.

Exactly right! School shootings are so isolated that they do not form the good basis for teachers or principals to carry pistols.

[dbussone]

Exactly right! School shootings are so isolated that they do not form the good basis for teachers or principals to carry pistols.

If even one incident is avoided or minimized, it IS worth it to me.

[Sandtrap328]

If even one incident is avoided or minimized, it IS worth it to me.

...and if even one incident is caused or heightened in some way by a teacher carrying a pistol - will THAT be worth it?

[billethkid]

...and if even one incident is caused or heightened in some way by a teacher carrying a pistol - will THAT be worth it?

does that "in some way" logic apply to police? How about all the hunters with guns in the fields among us?

[The20Percent]

Exactly right! School shootings are so isolated that they do not form the good basis for teachers or principals to carry pistols.

Yeah, I guess crimes always seem isolated to the person, or persons, it is not happening to. I'm sure if the parents of a dead child from a school shooting could have turned back time and had a school employee armed who could have possibly saved their child, they would have chosen that option.

I can't remember a night that I haven't turned on the local news and NOT heard of someone either being shot or killed right down the road from us in Orlando. As long as we all stay in our safe bubble called The Villlages, we can all possibly live in denial and not face the reality of the crime that surrounds us. If I leave the bubble, my carry firearm is like my American Express, I don't leave home without it!

[billethkid]

Exactly right! School shootings are so isolated that they do not form the good basis for teachers or principals to carry pistols.

They don't seem to be so isolated when it is in the interests of anti gun advocates to tout the frequency and ....the we gotta do something about all these gun attacks in schools.

Shoot the arrow into the bale of hay and then paint the bulls eye around the arrow!!! How can they lose?!

[tlb50]

You also need to see the posts on Facebook "Guns Save Lives" maybe your views might temper a bit.

[Sandtrap328]

You also need to see the posts on Facebook "Guns Save Lives" maybe your views might temper a bit.

I am sure the widow and child of the "popcorn tosser" who was shot and killed by the retired police captain will agree with you.

[graciegirl]

I have an awful time understanding this kind of argument. It is a personal choice. The constitution allows us to carry firearms if we want.

You either think you need to, or you don't.

I don't need to. But I don't think the right needs to be taken away.

I no better understand a person selling unrealistic fear in a safe environment, than I understand changing the laws.

If Orlando comes close and encroaches on my way of life than I will change my views on owning and knowing how to use a gun.

I made it safely through 75 years with a little sense and a lot of a gift to read people.

[JoMar]

really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired You do know the bad guy fired first right? What's your solution to his stray bullets.

[Sandtrap328]

No one is advocating the banning of guns. As long as the Supreme Court interprets the 2nd Amendment to say private gun ownership is legal, that is fine with me.

If a person has the legal license to carry a pistol - and he does it legally - no problem. However, if he takes the pistol into a bar or other place it is iunlawful - problem!

[graciegirl]

No one is advocating the banning of guns. As long as the Supreme Court interprets the 2nd Amendment to say private gun ownership is legal, that is fine with me.

If a person has the legal license to carry a pistol - and he does it legally - no problem. However, if he takes the pistol into a bar or other place it is iunlawful - problem!


THAT is the problem in a nutshell. All the people who unlawfully carry guns.

[memason]

Here's a good one....

Ever have someone pull a gun on you, put it to your forehead and tell you he's blow your F^^&&&G brains out?

I have and I can tell you, it's unbelievable how nice you can be at that moment!

This guy was not a criminal, other than the fact that he was carrying a firearm at a time that is was illegal to carry a concealed weapon.

[Chazz]

Here's a good one....

Ever have someone pull a gun on you, put it to your forehead and tell you he's blow your F^^&&&G brains out?

I have and I can tell you, it's unbelievable how nice you can be at that moment!

This guy was not a criminal, other than the fact that he was carrying a firearm at a time that is was illegal to carry a concealed weapon.

Whoah, what a horrible experience! Glad he didn't carry out his threat!

I do take exception to your characterization of him as not being a "criminal". Holding a gun to a person's head and threatening to kill someone is a very serious felony in every state of the union.

[Sophie11]

protect themselves?

Luke 22:36

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

[dbussone]

protect themselves?

Luke 22:36

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Thank you Sophie.