Islam

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ISLAM - A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF HOW IT WORKS

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The
religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the
reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the
other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source
CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they
will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone.
In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their
colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street
gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards)
food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase
pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with
threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland-- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to
rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is
not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as
a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris -- car-burnings). Any
non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (
Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,
sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and
ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other
religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a
weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then
start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me
against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against
my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against
the world and all of us against the infidel' -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France , the
Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity.
Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they
exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

And we continue to cater and negotiate in a politically correct way so as
not to 'offend' our Muslim 'brothers.'
Time to wake up!

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show details 8:45 AM (8 hours ago)



ISLAM - A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF HOW IT WORKS

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The
religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the
reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the
other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source
CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they
will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone.
In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their
colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street
gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards)
food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase
pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with
threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland-- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to
rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is
not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as
a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris -- car-burnings). Any
non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (
Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,
sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and
ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other
religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a
weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then
start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me
against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against
my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against
the world and all of us against the infidel' -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France , the
Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity.
Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they
exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

And we continue to cater and negotiate in a politically correct way so as
not to 'offend' our Muslim 'brothers.'
Time to wake up! Very Well Said and also Very SCARY

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I'll agree with VERY scary. What a hate-filled, bigoted piece of tripe!

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I'm with you Red. If people judged The Villages by the venom posted in the political forum, nobody would consider living here!

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I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS STILL ON THIS FORUM WHATS UP:::

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Currently, there are four major transformations that are shaping political, economic and world events. These transformations have profound implications for American business leaders and owners, our culture and on our way of life. One deals with Islam and Iraq put forth in 2007 by Herbert Meyer and if you have the time you may find it very informative. But first, who is Herbert Meyer?

Answer:Herbert Meyer may not yet be that widely known; formerly an associate editor of FORTUNE, he is an established author and historian, and served as advisor to the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency during the Reagan Administration. As such, he was responsible for the creation of the annual National Intelligence Estimate.

Meyer was also the first man in the United States Government to predict the collapse of the Soviet Union, for which he later was awarded the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, one of the intelligence community's high honors.

Following is link to his somewhat lengthy paper.

http://www.superfactory.com:80/articles/meyer_what_in_the_world.htm

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I'll agree with VERY scary. What a hate-filled, bigoted piece of tripe!
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:agree: I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS STILL ON THIS FORUM WHATS UP:::
Thank you nitehawk! :agree:

:agree: Whoa!! I thought this type of talk wasn't accepted in this forum.
Thank you historybuff50 :agree:

I've thought long and hard about an appropriate response to this very disturbing post. I always find it frightening when I see history conveniently rewritten to suit a particular view but more importantly despicable material like this only fuels hatred and engenders violence against a particular segment of society.

How easy it is to forget The Crusades; a systematic genocide and ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the name of Christianity which lasted from the 11th century to the 17th century.

(From Wikipedia: A traditional numbering scheme for the crusades totals nine during the 11th to 13th centuries. This division is arbitrary and excludes many important expeditions, among them those of the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. In reality, the crusades continued until the end of the 17th century.)

How about a look at the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of America or should I say true Americans? Consider this excerpt from an article by Steven Newcomb a columnist for "Indian Country Today"

"On America's pathological behavior toward Native peoples"

"Because the people of the United States understandably desire to view their country in a positive light, they tend to conveniently overlook or deny the U.S.’s reprehensible thought and behavior towards Native nations.
The subject of U.S. genocide against American Indians is conveniently swept under the rug, so to speak, and in mainstream media we never see a discussion of the possibility of an American pathology towards Native nations and peoples. Being able to avoid this uncomfortable subject makes it a lot easier on those wishing to extol the virtues of the United States without contradiction.

When one thinks about it, it would seem that the American empire's mental and behavioral pathology toward Native nations has passed through different phases.

One phase was the outright killing of Indians from the Ohio Valley to the gold fields of California, and everywhere in between. Another phase was the U.S.’s never ending kleptomaniacal compulsion to steal Indian lands and resources. (Recent passage of the Western Shoshone bill is evidence that this phase is still ongoing). Yet another phase was the U.S.’s efforts to destroy the economic and political independence of Native nations, to destroy Native languages, cultures, and to destroy our ability to live our respective spiritual traditions in our sacred places. Is this compulsively destructive mentality and behavior toward Native peoples evidence that the U.S. society has a deep and underlying illness (pathology)? Or is it just "the American way," along with apple pie and the American flag?"

I could go on as there are myriad examples of dominant cultures who attempt to subjugate
a minority culture but I'm sure with a little effort most of you know of what I speak.

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I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS STILL ON THIS FORUM WHATS UP:::
Thank you nitehawk!

Whoa!! I thought this type of talk wasn't accepted in this forum.
Thank you historybuff50

I've thought long and hard about an appropriate response to this very disturbing post. I always find it frightening when I see history conveniently rewritten to suit a particular view but more importantly despicable material like this only fuels hatred and engenders violence against a particular segment of society.

How easy it is to forget The Crusades; a systematic genocide and ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the name of Christianity which lasted from the 11th century to the 17th century.

(From Wikipedia: A traditional numbering scheme for the crusades totals nine during the 11th to 13th centuries. This division is arbitrary and excludes many important expeditions, among them those of the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. In reality, the crusades continued until the end of the 17th century.)

How about a look at the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of America or should I say true Americans? Consider this excerpt from an article by Steven Newcomb a columnist for "Indian Country Today"

"On America's pathological behavior toward Native peoples"

"Because the people of the United States understandably desire to view their country in a positive light, they tend to conveniently overlook or deny the U.S.’s reprehensible thought and behavior towards Native nations.
The subject of U.S. genocide against American Indians is conveniently swept under the rug, so to speak, and in mainstream media we never see a discussion of the possibility of an American pathology towards Native nations and peoples. Being able to avoid this uncomfortable subject makes it a lot easier on those wishing to extol the virtues of the United States without contradiction.

When one thinks about it, it would seem that the American empire's mental and behavioral pathology toward Native nations has passed through different phases.

One phase was the outright killing of Indians from the Ohio Valley to the gold fields of California, and everywhere in between. Another phase was the U.S.’s never ending kleptomaniacal compulsion to steal Indian lands and resources. (Recent passage of the Western Shoshone bill is evidence that this phase is still ongoing). Yet another phase was the U.S.’s efforts to destroy the economic and political independence of Native nations, to destroy Native languages, cultures, and to destroy our ability to live our respective spiritual traditions in our sacred places. Is this compulsively destructive mentality and behavior toward Native peoples evidence that the U.S. society has a deep and underlying illness (pathology)? Or is it just "the American way," along with apple pie and the American flag?"

I could go on as there are myriad examples of dominant cultures who attempt to subjugate
a minority culture but I'm sure with a little effort most of you know of what I speak.
Great message, PP! You would think after thousands of years of wrongs, we could get it right. PEACE!

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I'll agree with VERY scary.* What a hate-filled, bigoted piece of tripe!
* WHAT???!!!* These are facts, folks.* You can choose to ignore them, but they will not go away.

Rather than dismiss these truths and belittle those who inform us, it would be best for you to get your arms around these facts.

ldj:* This was one of the most succinct and telling summaries of the Islamic challenge I have read in awhile.* Great piece.* This message has been conveyed to those willing to listen in various formats by a variety of Islamic scholars in this nation and abroad.* It is unfortunate that so many among us believe these facts indicate "a mean spirit" by the messengers.* The truth is sometimes too challenging/unpleasant to accept, so it is easier to accuse those who tell it.

For those who compare The Crusades of nearly a millenium ago to the Islamo-fascist resurgence of today, there is a word for this type of ill-conceived comparison:* anachronistic.* Even assuming the Crusades were totally mean-spirited, such analogy is grossly anti-Christian in the context of TODAY's Christianity.* Christianity is NOT "crusading" today, so why make the comparison?* Yes, some Christian groups are peacefully evangelizing.* I trust you are not equating that with the abhorrant terrorist activities of the 5 to 10 plus percent of the 1 billion plus Muslims in the world.* (let's see...this would be roughly 50 to 100 MILLION.)

It is amazing how uninformed some folks are about this situation.* This does not speak well for the future of our culture of freedom.

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I'm not that familiar with Islam, but I suspect that most religions have offshoot fringe groups that do not represent the original religion. What comes to mind immediately is the CLDS debacle that is going on now which is in no way indicative of mainstream Mormonism. I found this definition of Islam: Islam


A religion, founded by Muhammad, whose members worship the one God of Jews and Christians (God is called Allah in Arabic) and follow the teachings of the Koran. Islam means “submission to the will of God”; adherents of Islam are called Muslims. The fundamental belief of Islam is “There is only one God, and Muhammad is his prophet.”

Muslims are obliged to pray five times a day, to fast in the daytime during the holy month of Ramadan, to abstain from pork and alcohol, and to make gifts to the poor. All of them are expected to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, Muhammad's birthplace, at least once in their lives.

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I theorize that many of the qualities that people perceive to be those of Muslims, are actually cultural not religious. That said, why are we discussing Islam in this forum? Shouldn't this be in the religious forum?

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These "fringe" groups DO represent the original. What we see occurring is a resurgence of the Muhammad-inspired conquests. And these fringes aren't as fringey as we might like to imagine.

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Interesting discussion. I have spent lots of time in Malaysia over the past 10 years and have seen some of these changes first hand. When I first started going there the % of Muslim population was about 45%, today it is about 65%. the remainder of the population is Chinese. The most telling and yes scary way they influence change is through the tax laws. About 5 years ago they started giving tax credits to Muslim family's for each child and tax penalties for Chinese family's who had children. This is an attempt to force the population growth toward a higher % of Muslims. Not sure how many countries this type of change has been used, but it is how they did it there. They also do it through the job market by forcing business to hire a certain % of Muslims or face tax increases.

When I first started going there it was a very safe place to go with little worry about your personal safety. Today that is not the case. I now can not take taxi's, need to hire a Chinese driver. One colleague actually was removed from the taxi and left beside the highway on his way to the airport from KL, a 90km trip, when the driver discovered he was American. An Infidel as the driver called him.

So a fringe of the population causing problems, yes. But the majority of the population implementing change to further their cause, also yes. But what has been obvious over time is a slow erosion of the freedoms that all the people once had. Many of the Chinese people are now starting to leave the country.

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It seem that in Malaysia the Muslims are discriminating against the non Muslims. I wonder if this kind of discrimination happens in other countries like Israel against the non Jews or the USA against the Blacks and Mexicans etc

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Not sure what your point is?

I am sure there is, but I am not aware of any country where they do it with tax laws by rewarding one ethnic group while penalizing another for the same behavior. China does penelize for more then 2 children but they do it to everyone.

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Not sure what your point is?*

I am sure there is, but I am not aware of any country where they do it with tax laws by rewarding one ethnic group while penalizing another for the same behavior.* China does penelize for more then 2 children but they do it to everyone.*

This is referring to the Islamic practice of "dhimmitude", with the non-Muslims labeled and treated as "dhimmi's".* Look up Dhimmi* here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi* and here...http://www.dhimmitude.org/d_today.html
In a "mature" Islamic culture (where Muslims are in the majority and have achieved Sharia [Islamic-religious] law), dhimmi's have more rights than slaves and fewer rights than aparthied.* Dhimmis are "separate" and "unequal", i.e. subject to legalized discrimination.

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Not sure what your point is?

I am sure there is, but I am not aware of any country where they do it with tax laws by rewarding one ethnic group while penalizing another for the same behavior. China does penelize for more then 2 children but they do it to everyone.


It's a problem everywhere where there is a state religion, regardless of what that religion is, and Islam is only one example. While the Islamic nations are the most obvious, there are also several such countries around the world (non-Islamic) with the same policies, including a couple of US allies which receive considerable foreign aid, favored trade status and high protection.

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It's a problem everywhere where there is a state religion, regardless of what that religion is, and Islam is only one example. While the Islamic nations are the most obvious, there are also several such countries around the world (non-Islamic) with the same policies, including a couple of US allies which receive considerable foreign aid, favored trade status and high protection.


Which countries are those? I'd like to be aware of them to see if their populations and brand of religion are growing as fast and if they are violently and agressively proselytizing to the same degree as the Islamic faith.

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Which countries are those? I'd like to be aware of them to see if their populations and brand of religion are growing as fast and if they are violently and agressively proselytizing to the same degree as the Islamic faith.


The point is, religion plays a significant role in many nations - from the way the public views morality and conduct, to the foundation and conduct for some of its laws, judicial system and punishment. It's not just an "Islamic thing."

Examples of countries with state or official religions include but are not limited to the following. The problems occur when the country - officially or de facto - gives persons of the state or official religion greater rights or preference than others. Examples of such rights or preferences occur in voting, appearing as witness against another in court, suing, marriage, government jobs, et cetera. The de facto occurs more than the official, but either way, large-scale discrimination based on religion is no bargain. While most of the countries listed below have tolerance ranging from complete to not bad, a few fall into not much to downright Draconian.

Roman Catholic: Argentina, Bolivia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, and Vatican City

Lutheran: Denmark,Iceland, Norway, and Finland

Anglican: England

Islam: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Somaliland, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen

Buddhism: Bhutan, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, and Myanmar

Judaism: Israel is defined in several of its laws as a Democratic Jewish state.

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The de facto occurs more than the official, but either way, large-scale discrimination based on religion is no bargain. While most of the countries listed below have tolerance ranging from complete to not bad, a few fall into not much to downright Draconian.
In this century, I seriously doubt there is much similarity between the level of tolerance in nations whose majority is Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, or Jewish as compare to Muslim. I'm not familiar with the level of Buddhist tolerance, but tolerance for other faiths in nations dominated by Christains and Jews compared to those dominated by Muslims are on the opposite ends of the tolerance spectrum.

I note that Israel recently officially condemned the burning of Bibles by overly zealous Jews. They were offended by proselytizing. Proselytizing is a different matter. Even some communities (one with the initials "TV") in the US prohibit house to house prosyletizing. :o

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Interesting.

http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Lehrman-092706a.wvx