Global Warming?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Yea, right. Whatever. It's -1 in KC right now, 39* below normal. I know it's not as cold as you folks in MN experience, but this is miserable. I keep telling myself "just a couple of more months here".

[gamby]

Global warming is only part of Global Climate change.
It's already here and to late to stop.

[Polar Bear]

The only thing constant about the earth's climate through the millennia has been that it's always changing.

[joldnol]

Global warming is only part of Global Climate change.
It's already here and to late to stop.

don't confuse folks with science

[tippyclubb]

The only thing constant about the earth's climate through the millennia has been that it's always changing.

You nailed it with this post.

[Bay Kid]

Change is good? We could use a little warmer climate.

[janmcn]

At 7:00am this morning, with a temperature of 32 degrees and a wind chill of 23 degrees in The Villages, one golfer showed up and was surprised the rest of his foursome didn't show. This according to today's on-line news.

[dbussone]

At 7:00am this morning, with a temperature of 32 degrees and a wind chill of 23 degrees in The Villages, one golfer showed up and was surprised the rest of his foursome didn't show. This according to today's on-line news.

He obviously is used to playing above the arctic circle. Eh?

[Monkei]

The worst thing scientists ever did regarding the climate change was to coin the phrase global warming. Now anytime it gets 1 degree out we get all the posts and comments from the Hannitys of this world berating science and somehow showing proof that climate change is not happening because it's cold outside!

[Taltarzac725]

The worst thing scientists ever did regarding the climate change was to coin the phrase global warming. Now anytime it gets 1 degree out we get all the posts and comments from the Hannitys of this world berating science and somehow showing proof that climate change is not happening because it's cold outside!

They should look at the polar ice caps for evidence and not so much on the Villages' golf courses.

That said. When I lived in Minneapolis and was out and about in -30 wind chills I would look like the Michelin Man with my five or so layers of clothes. We sure did a lot of laundry. http://www.logodesignlove.com/bibendum-michelin-man

[Bruiser1]

They should look at the polar ice caps for evidence and not so much on the Villages' golf courses.

That said. When I lived in Minneapolis and was out and about in -30 wind chills I would look like the Michelin Man with my five or so layers of clothes. We sure did a lot of laundry. The story of the Michelin Man | Logo Design Love (http://www.logodesignlove.com/bibendum-michelin-man)nne

Even thou it's rather brisk in Minnesota now (Schools closed due to cold)Minnesotans are still biking to work.

Harhttp://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/11/20/surviving-cold-two-wheels-10-tips-winter-biking-minnesota

[Topspinmo]

It was 60,000 year or so we had ice age due to the earth oblong cycle around the sun. We have no control over that. Ice age in getting near. The best thing the grantee done was change the name from global warning to climate change. Why The climate always changing like it been doing for billon years. So you can't disagree. It going to change tomorrow, next year, or 100,000 years.

It's all about money and who controls and distribution of it. The fed gov. Gives way tax money to foreign countries like candy while starving or bleeding it's citizens. We are propping the world economy up at the expense of our economy.
When the yen takes over as the gold standard the dollar will be worth about as much as peso. That's the change we should be worrying about!

If I got enough money I can get somebody with doctoral degree to do study with the results I want to fit my agenda. Why? once you get doctoral nobody can say your wrong without the piece of paper. Only other doctoral in remotely similar area of study can refute findings. One thing about study it's someone opinion. Get enough to agree with you now it's the truth.

[Taltarzac725]

It was 60,000 year or so we had ice age due to the earth oblong cycle around the sun. We have no control over that. Ice age in getting near. The best thing the grantee done was change the name from global warning to climate change. Why The climate always changing like it been doing for billon years. So you can't disagree. It going to change tomorrow, next year, or 100,000 years.

It's all about money and who controls and distribution of it. The fed gov. Gives way tax money to foreign countries like candy while starving or bleeding it's citizens. We are propping the world economy up at the expense of our economy.
When the yen takes over as the gold standard the dollar will be worth about as much as peso. That's the change we should be worrying about!

If I got enough money I can get somebody with doctoral degree to do study with the results I want to fit my agenda. Why? once you get doctoral nobody can say your wrong without the piece of paper. Only other doctoral in remotely similar area of study can refute findings. One thing about study it's someone opinion. Get enough to agree with you now it's the truth.


We do have control over what pollutants go into the sky in this country. Granted not a whole lot at an individual basis. The polar ice caps are melting and something can be done about that. Whether or not the cycles are 10,000, or 100,000 or whatever span of years. The human element has had a huge impact in the last 100 years or so.

[Chi-Town]

Even though 2014 was the hottest summer on earth since record keeping, a cold snap is all that is needed to provide enough empirical evidence that the planet is not getting warmer.

[joldnol]

look at global ocean temps rising....weird weather will be the norm from here on out

[blueash]

It was 60,000 year or so we had ice age due to the earth oblong cycle around the sun. We have no control over that. Ice age in getting near. The best thing the grantee done was change the name from global warning to climate change. Why The climate always changing like it been doing for billon years. So you can't disagree. It going to change tomorrow, next year, or 100,000 years.

It's all about money and who controls and distribution of it. The fed gov. Gives way tax money to foreign countries like candy while starving or bleeding it's citizens. We are propping the world economy up at the expense of our economy.
When the yen takes over as the gold standard the dollar will be worth about as much as peso. That's the change we should be worrying about!

If I got enough money I can get somebody with doctoral degree to do study with the results I want to fit my agenda. Why? once you get doctoral nobody can say your wrong without the piece of paper. Only other doctoral in remotely similar area of study can refute findings. One thing about study it's someone opinion. Get enough to agree with you now it's the truth.

You don't seem to understand how science works. Global climate change data are available with the best data of course being the most recent as it has been collected with the most precision. The data is the "truth" if well collected. Scientists then analyze that data attempting to develop a theory of what factor or factors best explain the data which is observed. No scientist would use the word truth to describe an interpretation of observed data. Perhaps you used the word too loosely or don't have the background to understand the scientific method. A theory then should be able to predict future events or with modification explain future deviations from what had been predicted. Scientists then publish their results in journals. The better journals are peer reviewed prior to publication to try to not publish poorly written or inaccurate research. Once published it is open season as others are free to attack the assumptions, the methodology, the analysis of the data and the conclusions. Papers of exceptional difference from the standard theories receive special scrutiny but are especially welcome.

While no scientist wants to see his work criticized or invalidated almost all would accept such as an advancement of science. Ultimately with each tweak a fuller picture of the field emerges. You can go ahead and try and buy a scientist (good luck with that as publication of wrong data and bad conclusions will ruin your career) but such will not be successful in altering the science nor changing the long term outcome. I am only aware of one situation where individuals with lots of money have been attempting to use their money to influence the study of climate change.

Academic Freedom Under Assault | (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/KOCH-POLLUTION-ON-CAMPUS-Academic-Freedom-Under-Assault-from-Charles-Kochs-50-million-Campaign-to-Infiltrate-Higher-Education/)

But sometimes even trying to buy a scientist backfires

Bombshell: Funded Study Finds 'Global Warming Is ... (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07/28/602151/bombshell-koch-funded-study-finds-global-warming-is-real-on-the-high-end-and-essentially-all-due-to-carbon-pollution/)

[Topspinmo]

"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men"

I like the little saying, goes good with today's education agenda.
Should Read
"It is easier to Brainwash strong child than brainwash men for future votes."

[tcxr750]

It all started with flouridation of the water supply! All the hot air from that discussion in the fifties has now built up and settled to ground level.

[tomwed]

Has anyone been to Alaska twice? The first time being quite a while ago and the second visit more recently. Could you share what the differences were?

[Beechie]

The only thing constant about the earth's climate through the millennia has been that it's always changing.

Who was that famous polar bear that coined the phrase "reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated" Perhaps Al Gore could refresh our memory.

[tomwed]

Who was that famous polar bear that coined the phrase "reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated" Perhaps Al Gore could refresh our memory.
Are polar bear populations increasing: in fact, booming?

click here to find out (http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/about-polar-bears/what-scientists-say/are-polar-bear-populations-booming)

"Some Native communities in Canada are reporting an increase in the numbers of polar bears on land. Traditional hunters believe this means an increase in population. Scientists attribute it to polar bears being driven ashore by lack of ice.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service states, ". . . extensive scientific studies have indicated that the increased observation of bears on land is a result of changing distribution patterns and a result of changes in the accessibility of sea ice habitat."

The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

Photos: Copyright © The Nobel Foundation

[gomoho]

I think it's cow flatulence - eat more chikin!

[dbussone]

I think it's cow flatulence - eat more chikin!


According to our fearless leaders of the left leaning side, you are significantly correct. I grew up in Beantown - no cows there - so it must be the politicians.

[tomwed]

I think it's cow flatulence - eat more chikin!

“Cows emit a massive amount of methane through belching, with a lesser amount through flatulence,” according to How Stuff Works. “Statistics vary regarding how much methane the average dairy cow expels. Some experts say 100 liters to 200 liters a day… while others say it’s up to 500 liters… a day. In any case, that’s a lot of methane, an amount comparable to the pollution produced by a car in a day.”
Scientists from Proctor and Gamble are experimenting with a new medicine named Pepto Bismoo. If that doesn't work they will be trying Two-Tums because cows have two stomachs. Earlier attempts with Amoodium reduced belching but the milk tasted like Magnesium.

stay tuned

[dbussone]

😷😷😷

[JP]

All you global warming alarmists.....don't look now, but the global ice caps are EXPANDING! Oh my! Where people thought they were going to be able to ship thru this region all of a sudden they can't. The ice is reforming. Run for your life, it must be global cooling!!!

[blueash]

All you global warming alarmists.....don't look now, but the global ice caps are EXPANDING! Oh my! Where people thought they were going to be able to ship thru this region all of a sudden they can't. The ice is reforming. Run for your life, it must be global cooling!!!

References please? Every source I have seen shows exactly the opposite. Be sure you understand the difference between sea ice and land ice when looking at Antarctica data.

You do of course understand that a single year is not climate, it is weather and wind and sea currents. Show me data say looking at the trend lines over that last 50 or 20 or 10 years. That is what I'd like to see. Please support your claim.

[blueash]

Note the average for 1981 to 2010 and the data, the real data not what you might have been told by the Heartland Institute for the few years since then and the up to date numbers into 2015.

In case you are not familiar with reading graphs... the higher the line the more ice coverage exists. The lower the line the more the ice is disappearing from the baseline years of 1981 to 2010. Of course those baseline years are lower than for previous years so if the baseline had been 1950 to 2000 or similar, those declines would be even more dramatic

[rubicon]

Yea, right. Whatever. It's -1 in KC right now, 39* below normal. I know it's not as cold as you folks in MN experience, but this is miserable. I keep telling myself "just a couple of more months here".

Yea but in Minnesota its a dry cold:icon_wink:

[rubicon]

They should look at the polar ice caps for evidence and not so much on the Villages' golf courses.

That said. When I lived in Minneapolis and was out and about in -30 wind chills I would look like the Michelin Man with my five or so layers of clothes. We sure did a lot of laundry. The story of the Michelin Man | Logo Design Love (http://www.logodesignlove.com/bibendum-michelin-man)

Tal Antarctic ice is actually growing and the polar bear populations is growing

[rubicon]

It was 60,000 year or so we had ice age due to the earth oblong cycle around the sun. We have no control over that. Ice age in getting near. The best thing the grantee done was change the name from global warning to climate change. Why The climate always changing like it been doing for billon years. So you can't disagree. It going to change tomorrow, next year, or 100,000 years.

It's all about money and who controls and distribution of it. The fed gov. Gives way tax money to foreign countries like candy while starving or bleeding it's citizens. We are propping the world economy up at the expense of our economy.
When the yen takes over as the gold standard the dollar will be worth about as much as peso. That's the change we should be worrying about!

If I got enough money I can get somebody with doctoral degree to do study with the results I want to fit my agenda. Why? once you get doctoral nobody can say your wrong without the piece of paper. Only other doctoral in remotely similar area of study can refute findings. One thing about study it's someone opinion. Get enough to agree with you now it's the truth.

:coolsmiley:

[rubicon]

References please? Every source I have seen shows exactly the opposite. Be sure you understand the difference between sea ice and land ice when looking at Antarctica data.

You do of course understand that a single year is not climate, it is weather and wind and sea currents. Show me data say looking at the trend lines over that last 50 or 20 or 10 years. That is what I'd like to see. Please support your claim.

As i recollect from my reading it was this focus on sea ice currents etc that have scientist now debating whether the shrinkage of land ice had been mistaken because of the variables in current etc.

[rubicon]

My nephew is a weather guy and I tease him about the numerous qualifiers his profession uses when projecting the weather,mostly % partly .....

So now we have glowers predicting our demise. a number of articles have pointed to the computer manipulation of data. Not to mention the conceit by some that a computer model no matter how sophisticated is going to include every possible combination, permutation, etc involving our solar system that may or may not have an affect on our climate

I support all efforts to reduce pollution in our lakes cities etc . American has come a long way in reducing pollutants given transportation, power plants etc
I also agree that there is a moral imperative to deliver fossil fuels to the world's poorest country and to continue developing methods to make fossil fuels clearer. We should reengage in nuclear energy India, China etc must equal our efforts now

[Bay Kid]

:coolsmiley:

So true. It is all about the money.

[JP]

Absolutely about the money. Make the people fearful, they will be compliant and will spend money and use unnecessary resources to save themselves from their fears.

[tomwed]

Absolutely about the money. Make the people fearful, they will be compliant and will spend money and use unnecessary resources to save themselves from their fears.
Just so I understand your point.
What are our fears?
What was fabricated?
What do we spend money on?

[tcxr750]

China is holding the 4th World Vehicle Electrification Summit. One of the goals is to have EV charging stations across China's key cities. I imagine that EV's in China will reduce dependence on foreign oil and reduce emissions in cities where the smog is so thick in looks like LA in the 70's. Remember?
It would be interesting to read comments from non-U.S. residents to see what they believe about Global Warming.
As a side note, if you google the Portage Glacier in Alaska you will see the changes shown in photographs of the glacier over 80 years. The change is dramatic. I was in Anchorage, AK twice in the 80's and the changes were noticeable over a 5 year period.
Global warming is undeniable, the consequences of it are not.

[Polar Bear]

...Global warming is undeniable....


I would say climate change is undeniable. Global warming not-so-much.

But I'm not even sure that is really the main debate. How much does man contribute to and how much can he control climate change. Those are the real questions.

[Tennisnut]

CO2 concentrations have increased from 280 to 395 ppm since the industrial revolution. At what CO2 levels does everyone think we should start taking action to prevent further manmade "adjustment" of our atmosphere? When will the buffering action of our oceans be exhausted? All this carbon was sequestered many million years ago as oil, coal and natural gas and is now being released during our reliance on fossil fuels.

[tedquick]

I still subscribe to the local newspaper (Omaha World Herald) where I lived until last September. While this post is somewhat political, it is meant to show the extreme positions of those who believe in climate change and those who don’t. A Craig Ryan had a piece in the paper’s Public Pulse. Here was my response:

Global Warming made up of lies

Wow, does Craig Ryan (1/7 Public Pulse) ever mischaracterize the climate-change “reality”!! He stated that since so many people agree that climate change is a problem that the conservatives (et al) should “accept this reality”. A 6/23/14 article in Personal Liberty Digest states, “The theory of man-made global warming is based on spurious science, phony statistics and outright lies”.

Fact: when the volcano, Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth. Fact: the earth has 800-year temperature cycles of heating and cooling which have been recurring since long before there was gas, oil or coal to blame. Fact: the planet has actually cooled 0.7 degrees in the last century.

But then facts must never stand in the way of an agenda. Since billions of dollars will be made if/when tax & trade becomes law it is shamefully naïve to expect an “honesty awakening” in Washington or in the press rooms of America. The climate-change problem is a truth problem. Lies repeated often enough mysteriously become “the truth”, so I understand Mr. Ryan’s belief. It’s just that what he believes is wrong.

[blueash]

2014 data are now in and

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/science/earth/global-temperatures-highest-in-4000-years-study-says.html?_r=2&

and CO2 levels are over 400 as of Jan 1 2015

[tomwed]

I still subscribe to the local newspaper (Omaha World Herald) where I lived until last September. While this post is somewhat political, it is meant to show the extreme positions of those who believe in climate change and those who don’t. A Craig Ryan had a piece in the paper’s Public Pulse. Here was my response:

Global Warming made up of lies

Wow, does Craig Ryan (1/7 Public Pulse) ever mischaracterize the climate-change “reality”!! He stated that since so many people agree that climate change is a problem that the conservatives (et al) should “accept this reality”. A 6/23/14 article in Personal Liberty Digest states, “The theory of man-made global warming is based on spurious science, phony statistics and outright lies”.

Fact: when the volcano, Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth. Fact: the earth has 800-year temperature cycles of heating and cooling which have been recurring since long before there was gas, oil or coal to blame. Fact: the planet has actually cooled 0.7 degrees in the last century.

But then facts must never stand in the way of an agenda. Since billions of dollars will be made if/when tax & trade becomes law it is shamefully naïve to expect an “honesty awakening” in Washington or in the press rooms of America. The climate-change problem is a truth problem. Lies repeated often enough mysteriously become “the truth”, so I understand Mr. Ryan’s belief. It’s just that what he believes is wrong.

I went to the "Personal Liberty Digest" and couldn't find your facts. Could you point me in the right direction?

[B767drvr]

Global Warming HOAX! :1rotfl:

This is all about "scientists" sucking the public teat for decades of funding useless "careers" and politicians of a certain persuasion confiscating more money from citizens and corporations for their pet projects. When in doubt, follow the money.

Do hacked e-mails show global-warming fraud? « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/20/do-hacked-e-mails-show-global-warming-fraud/)

[B767drvr]

I still subscribe to the local newspaper (Omaha World Herald) where I lived until last September. While this post is somewhat political, it is meant to show the extreme positions of those who believe in climate change and those who don’t. A Craig Ryan had a piece in the paper’s Public Pulse. Here was my response:

Global Warming made up of lies

Wow, does Craig Ryan (1/7 Public Pulse) ever mischaracterize the climate-change “reality”!! He stated that since so many people agree that climate change is a problem that the conservatives (et al) should “accept this reality”. A 6/23/14 article in Personal Liberty Digest states, “The theory of man-made global warming is based on spurious science, phony statistics and outright lies”.

Fact: when the volcano, Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth. Fact: the earth has 800-year temperature cycles of heating and cooling which have been recurring since long before there was gas, oil or coal to blame. Fact: the planet has actually cooled 0.7 degrees in the last century.

But then facts must never stand in the way of an agenda. Since billions of dollars will be made if/when tax & trade becomes law it is shamefully naïve to expect an “honesty awakening” in Washington or in the press rooms of America. The climate-change problem is a truth problem. Lies repeated often enough mysteriously become “the truth”, so I understand Mr. Ryan’s belief. It’s just that what he believes is wrong.

:bigbow:

I'm astounded at the gullibility of so many. (Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm actually NOT astounded.)

[Rags123]

Global Warming HOAX! :1rotfl:

This is all about "scientists" sucking the public teat for decades of funding useless "careers" and politicians of a certain persuasion confiscating more money from citizens and corporations for their pet projects. When in doubt, follow the money.

Do hacked e-mails show global-warming fraud? « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/20/do-hacked-e-mails-show-global-warming-fraud/)

I have no dog in this fight, but this story is over FIVE YEARS OLD and has been debunked...see Snopes, Wikipedia or your fact check of choice.

[tedquick]

I went to the "Personal Liberty Digest" and couldn't find your facts. Could you point me in the right direction?

I have saved a 4-page copy of the report from that date in my Global Warming file. How might I get that to you? PM? email? I will PM you with my email address. If you'd like I will forward that particular file.

[B767drvr]

I have no dog in this fight, but this story is over FIVE YEARS OLD and has been debunked...see Snopes, Wikipedia or your fact check of choice.

Sorry Rags - I've got so many of these hoax rebuttals saved. Try this more recent one:



>> (<----- internet quoting - not MY prose)


Opinion | Brainerd Dispatch (http://brainerddispatch.com/opinion/guest-columns/)...

By Rolf Westgaard
In 1988, the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations established the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to evaluate world climate research, and to forecast global temperatures to the end of the 21st Century.

The IPCC is now funded by 195 countries who also contribute scientific personnel to the effort. Since 1988, the IPCC has issued four major Assessment Reports, the last in 2007, which projected continued global warming at 0.2C degrees per decade. The 2007 report stated that this warming was “very likely” due to human release of green house gases, and that one result would be storms such as hurricanes of greater intensity. The report also forecast a decline in Antarctic sea ice.

The IPCC is expected to release a summary of its widely anticipated Fifth Assessment Report on Friday. There are several problems for the IPCC as that report appears.

The most important is that since 1997, there has been no statistically significant increase in global temperatures, despite a continued rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide, the most important human generated global warming gas.

September 10 marked the peak of the Atlantic hurricane season, and so far 2013 is one of the quietest hurricane seasons in memory. 2013 also marks the eighth consecutive year when no force 3 or stronger hurricane has made landfall on the U.S. mainland, the longest such period in a century.

A recent study in the journal Nature Climate Change by Francis Zwiers and colleagues at the University of Victoria, British Columbia, found that models such as those used by the IPCC have overestimated warming by 100 percent over the past 20 years.

A major calculation by the IPCC is the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS), the amount of warming induced by a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The 2007 report gave a “likely” minimum figure of 2 degrees celsius (2C), with a probable value of 3C for the doubling of carbon dioxide. The preliminary 2013 Assessment lowers the “likely” minimum increase to 1.5C with no probable value forecast.

Finally, Antarctica sea ice extent set an all-time record of 19.51234 million sq km on Sept. 14, 2013. And at the other pole, as of Sept. 15, 2013, Arctic sea ice extent was approximately one million square miles greater than on the same date in 2012.

One of the new Assessment’s own authors, Professor Myles Allen, the director of Oxford University’s Climate Research Network, said recently that this should be the last IPCC assessment – accusing its cumbersome production process of ‘misrepresenting how science works.’ Dr Benny Peiser, of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, described leaked information from the new report as a ‘staggering concoction of confusion, speculation and sheer ignorance.’

Professor Judith Curry, head of climate science at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, said the Fifth Assessment is showing that ‘the science is clearly not settled, and is in a state of flux.’ She added that the IPCC projections are ‘overconfident.’ especially given the report’s admitted areas of doubt.

Many of the sponsoring nations have already submitted concerns about the new Fifth Assessment, leading with the IPCC’s failure to account for the current warming pause. A meeting in Stockholm is being held by 40 of the Fifth Assessment’s authors with nation representatives to discuss possible revisions.

The unwieldy and expensive IPCC assessment process may have run its course. There is a strong case that climate forecasting is more art than science. We don’t even know if carbon dioxide is a warming threat, or simply photo synthesis plant food which contributes to increased agricultural productivity.

Rolf E. Westgard is a professional member of the Geological Society of America and teaches classes on climate and energy for the University of Minnesota Lifelong Learning program. His current class is “3 Billion Years of Minnesota Climate and Geologic History; from Volcanoes to Metals.”

<<

[Challenger]

Worthwhile read
Alex Epstein
"The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels"

[blueash]

Global Warming made up of lies

Fact: when the volcano, Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.

Non Fact and scientifically wrong

Volcanic CO2 | Open Mind (http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/volcanic-co2/)

Volcanic Gases and Climate Change Overview (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php)

Global Warming Misinformation - Volcanoes Emit More CO2 Than Humans (http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/global_warming_misinformation_volcanoes.html)

Eruption Corruption (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/eruption-corruption/)

What's the carbon footprint of ... a volcano? | Environment | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/oct/07/carbon-footprint-volcano)

Do you want more?

Fact: the earth has 800-year temperature cycles of heating and cooling which have been recurring since long before there was gas, oil or coal to blame.

Partly true but completely misleading. The question is not have there always been fluctuations (although your choice of 800 years is unsupported there have been variations in climate. Once the poles were tropical, Once there were ice sheets to Ohio) The question today is are we seeing a period of rapid change which has serious implications for humans and how much of those changes are man made. And what if anything should be done to deal with those changes

Fact: the planet has actually cooled 0.7 degrees in the last century.



Again wrong. See the graph at the bottom of this post. Please in the interest in not calling the other side liars, I have been posting real charts real data and the climate deniers have posted no data, just repeated claims that this is a hoax, and follow the money. All I know about money is that the oil and gas industry has spent a lot of money to obfuscate and has bought a lot of politicians.

But then facts must never stand in the way of an agenda. Since billions of dollars will be made if/when tax & trade becomes law it is shamefully naïve to expect an “honesty awakening” in Washington or in the press rooms of America. The climate-change problem is a truth problem. Lies repeated often enough mysteriously become “the truth”, so I understand Mr. Ryan’s belief. It’s just that what he believes is wrong.


The irony is that this paragraph is accurate but it is the deniers who have an agenda. The tobacco industry told all of us how great cigarettes were for our health and that the science was bogus. Same reason, protect their industry and their product. So my challenge, which I have issued previously on this forum is to produce the data for your 'facts'.

[Bonanza]

We do have control over what pollutants go into the sky in this country. Granted not a whole lot at an individual basis. The polar ice caps are melting and something can be done about that. Whether or not the cycles are 10,000, or 100,000 or whatever span of years. The human element has had a huge impact in the last 100 years or so.

Bingo! You are soooooo right. Yes, the icebergs ARE melting and that is threatening the existence of polar bears.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that all these nuclear tests, the wars and ongoing bombings, smoke from fires, automobile exhausts, even something as seemingly insignificent as a fireplace . . . all these things go into the atmosphere. All these things contribute to global warming, climate change or whatever else you want to call it.

It's real folks -- make no mistake about it!

[Polar Bear]

...threatening the existence of polar bears...

:shocked:

[TNLAKEPANDA]

There is No such thing as GW.... It is all hype to gain control and make money!

[Bonanza]

Quote:


Originally Posted by Bonanza View Post

...threatening the existence of polar bears...




:shocked:

Sorry. No personal intent meant!

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[senior citizen]

There is No such thing as GW.... It is all hype to gain control and make money!

Not so sure about that.......as our weather has been totally unpredictable seasonally, from one extreme to another.

We've actually seen our pattern of seasonal weather change.....

Since 1970 (when the seasons were quite predictable in Vermont), it was pretty easy to determine what type of weather each season would produce...........NOT SO ANYMORE. Big big changes, especially the last twenty years.......perhaps longer.

Winter, obviously, always had cold temps & snow.
But by January 15, the January winter thaw would arrive, like clockwork.

Not so anymore.

We've gone through many winters that were RAINY......an entire generation of little ones never got to use their sleds nor skiis.

Winters became even more WET rather than snowy.......with flooding because of the heavy rains on top of frozen ground.......everyone began putting in French drains.......then it would go to the other EXTREME & we all began getting ice dams or jams on our roofs, under the shingles.....so everyone began putting on ice glides.........we've definitely experienced a sea change in the way the weather used to be predictable to now being haphazard or just plain strange at times, out of season.

May was always the most beautiful spring month with the lilacs, apple blossoms, etc., etc..........now it is often rainy. Lots of rain.

In the earlier times, summers were also predictable with MAYBE ONE HEAT WAVE in the summer.........no one had air conditioning like we all have now. A brief summer thunderstorm would cool things down...........this past summer, it rained from morning till night........on many occasions. Summers are HOTTER & RAINIER.

Autumns were also another glorious month back when the weather was more predictable (as the seasonal norm) but lately, autumn has become more rainy.......knocking the beautifully colored leaves from the trees prematurely.........JUST LOTS MORE RAIN.

So many weather pattern changes up here.....over the years......

However, this winter, the snow has returned, with the sub zero temps.

My husband cannot tolerate the HEAT. All of a sudden, the past few years, he loves the Arctic blast of cold.......go figure.
It's become a battle of the thermostats........I raise them; he lowers them.

Four seasons are really nice......as each only last for three months.
Then we can all complain about the next season.

[Tennisnut]

There is No such thing as GW.... It is all hype to gain control and make money!

Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, the people on this forum will not be around in fifty years to confirm our our own personal opinions. The next generation will either laugh at our non validated concerns or be coping with climate change and associated disruption in their lives.

Place your bets people.

[Cisco Kid]

The way the news is now a days.
We will likely kill our selves off before it becomes a problem.

[tedquick]

tomwed & blueash -- First off I thank both of you for your questions regarding my original post. Everything that I post, I do with the belief that it is accurate and that it is the truth. The information in my post was taken from a variety of articles that I had collected over time. Not in all cases did I verify the veracity of those pieces. Since reading your posts I have spent a fair amount of time reviewing, reading and investigating other sources to support my original post. I have found it fascinating (and actually very frustrating) that I find all the proof anyone would ever want that there is indeed global warming, only to find in other places that the data being used has been corrupted, or that those reports have been discredited. And then I find proof there is no global warming with those “facts” being questioned with the same level of believability as the others.

So what *is* the truth? I don’t really know, but I have attached 3 graphs (if I did it correctly) that show that at least in recent years there has actually been cooling, not warming, which is what I recall was the concern in the 70s (I think it was the 70s).

OK, I guess I'm an idiot since I have been unable to copy and paste my 3 graphs onto this site. (And it can't even be that difficult). Any help would be embarrassingly welcomed.

We will probably never positively know the whole truth (about global warming) until after it has either happened or it hasn't. We’ll all be dead and gone. Perhaps we’ll be discussing this in the great beyond; shaking hands, shaking our heads and just wishing that “those kids down there” would get it figured out.

So that all of you know, I want my posts to reflect the truth. Like tomwed and blueash, should you ever question what I post, feel free to query.

Make it a great rest of the week!!

[Challenger]

tomwed & blueash -- First off I thank both of you for your questions regarding my original post. Everything that I post, I do with the belief that it is accurate and that it is the truth. The information in my post was taken from a variety of articles that I had collected over time. Not in all cases did I verify the veracity of those pieces. Since reading your posts I have spent a fair amount of time reviewing, reading and investigating other sources to support my original post. I have found it fascinating (and actually very frustrating) that I find all the proof anyone would ever want that there is indeed global warming, only to find in other places that the data being used has been corrupted, or that those reports have been discredited. And then I find proof there is no global warming with those “facts” being questioned with the same level of believability as the others.

So what *is* the truth? I don’t really know, but I have attached 3 graphs (if I did it correctly) that show that at least in recent years there has actually been cooling, not warming, which is what I recall was the concern in the 70s (I think it was the 70s).

OK, I guess I'm an idiot since I have been unable to copy and paste my 3 graphs onto this site. (And it can't even be that difficult). Any help would be embarrassingly welcomed.

We will probably never positively know the whole truth (about global warming) until after it has either happened or it hasn't. We’ll all be dead and gone. Perhaps we’ll be discussing this in the great beyond; shaking hands, shaking our heads and just wishing that “those kids down there” would get it figured out.

So that all of you know, I want my posts to reflect the truth. Like tomwed and blueash, should you ever question what I post, feel free to query.

Make it a great rest of the week!!

Wish all posters were this intellectually honest- !!

[tomwed]

tomwed & blueash -- First off I thank both of you for your questions regarding my original post. Everything that I post, I do with the belief that it is accurate and that it is the truth. The information in my post was taken from a variety of articles that I had collected over time. Not in all cases did I verify the veracity of those pieces. Since reading your posts I have spent a fair amount of time reviewing, reading and investigating other sources to support my original post. I have found it fascinating (and actually very frustrating) that I find all the proof anyone would ever want that there is indeed global warming, only to find in other places that the data being used has been corrupted, or that those reports have been discredited. And then I find proof there is no global warming with those “facts” being questioned with the same level of believability as the others.

So what *is* the truth? I don’t really know, but I have attached 3 graphs (if I did it correctly) that show that at least in recent years there has actually been cooling, not warming, which is what I recall was the concern in the 70s (I think it was the 70s).

OK, I guess I'm an idiot since I have been unable to copy and paste my 3 graphs onto this site. (And it can't even be that difficult). Any help would be embarrassingly welcomed.

We will probably never positively know the whole truth (about global warming) until after it has either happened or it hasn't. We’ll all be dead and gone. Perhaps we’ll be discussing this in the great beyond; shaking hands, shaking our heads and just wishing that “those kids down there” would get it figured out.

So that all of you know, I want my posts to reflect the truth. Like tomwed and blueash, should you ever question what I post, feel free to query.

Make it a great rest of the week!!

I have a program named printscreen and it is free and comes from Gadwin. Whatever you see on your screen can be turned into a photo that is stored in a file. By default the files name is printscreen and stored in your documents folder or it might be you photo folder.
I have the same problem when it comes to research. If it's .edu,.gov,.org it moves up my list for credibility. The other day I read 97% of all scientists believe in global warning. I think that was quoted by Al Gore. He's a Harvard graduate and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in global warming. So I'm thinking if Gore said "97%" his research team must have verified it before he said it. But I kept getting information showing how that statistic is incorrect.
I'm fortunate that my oldest son has a PHD in mechanical engineering from Johns-Hopkins and his last 2 years were at Stanford. So I can just ask him to explain the science behind most things. Sometimes I even understand him [just kidding].

[quirky3]

Just yesterday, Pope Francis made this statement regarding global warming:

"I don't know if it (human activity) is the only cause, but mostly, in great part, it is man who has slapped nature in the face," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature."

"I think we have exploited nature too much," Francis said, citing deforestation and monoculture. "Thanks be to God that today there are voices, so many people who are speaking out about it."

[Tennisnut]

Just yesterday, Pope Francis made this statement regarding global warming:

"I don't know if it (human activity) is the only cause, but mostly, in great part, it is man who has slapped nature in the face," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature."

"I think we have exploited nature too much," Francis said, citing deforestation and monoculture. "Thanks be to God that today there are voices, so many people who are speaking out about it."

Yes and even on the front page of the Daily Sun in today's issue!

[Taltarzac725]

Just yesterday, Pope Francis made this statement regarding global warming:

"I don't know if it (human activity) is the only cause, but mostly, in great part, it is man who has slapped nature in the face," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature."

"I think we have exploited nature too much," Francis said, citing deforestation and monoculture. "Thanks be to God that today there are voices, so many people who are speaking out about it."

Sure like this Pope.

I did find this interesting article-- http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/48293

[outlaw]

I respect ALL religions.

[tedquick]

I have a program named printscreen and it is free and comes from Gadwin. Whatever you see on your screen can be turned into a photo that is stored in a file. By default the files name is printscreen and stored in your documents folder or it might be you photo folder.
I have the same problem when it comes to research. If it's .edu,.gov,.org it moves up my list for credibility. The other day I read 97% of all scientists believe in global warning. I think that was quoted by Al Gore. He's a Harvard graduate and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in global warming. So I'm thinking if Gore said "97%" his research team must have verified it before he said it. But I kept getting information showing how that statistic is incorrect.
I'm fortunate that my oldest son has a PHD in mechanical engineering from Johns-Hopkins and his last 2 years were at Stanford. So I can just ask him to explain the science behind most things. Sometimes I even understand him [just kidding].

Tom, thanks for the Gadwin site. Even though I have downloaded 5.4 printscreen I still can't seem to get my graphs to this site. I'll keep at it.

[JourneyOfLife]

There are other implications about energy with our growing world population.

Here are a couple of interesting documentary videos.

This World - Population Growth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UbmG8gtBPM) This one is educational!

Surviving Progress (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpOCn1zJdHg) This is also available on Netflix! This one will make you think!!!

[tedquick]

I have a program named printscreen and it is free and comes from Gadwin. Whatever you see on your screen can be turned into a photo that is stored in a file. By default the files name is printscreen and stored in your documents folder or it might be you photo folder.
I have the same problem when it comes to research. If it's .edu,.gov,.org it moves up my list for credibility. The other day I read 97% of all scientists believe in global warning. I think that was quoted by Al Gore. He's a Harvard graduate and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in global warming. So I'm thinking if Gore said "97%" his research team must have verified it before he said it. But I kept getting information showing how that statistic is incorrect.
I'm fortunate that my oldest son has a PHD in mechanical engineering from Johns-Hopkins and his last 2 years were at Stanford. So I can just ask him to explain the science behind most things. Sometimes I even understand him [just kidding].

I have NO idea if what I attempted to attach has actually attached, but here it is. This is actually my earlier post but with the 3 graphs that I couldn't get to attach. If this worked then I thank both tomwed and blueash. Blueash, the sources are shown at the very top of each graph.

[blueash]

I have NO idea if what I attempted to attach has actually attached, but here it is. This is actually my earlier post but with the 3 graphs that I couldn't get to attach. If this worked then I thank both tomwed and blueash. Blueash, the sources are shown at the very top of each graph.

Well, nice try but still didn't work. But I see you have posted University of Alabama Huntsville satellite temperature data. Here is the full graph at the bottom of the post. Global Temperature Report :: UAHuntsville (http://nsstc.uah.edu/climate/) Note the trend lines. Almost all the years before the El Nino were below the 30 year average while almost all the year since are above. Additionally this is reflective satellite data, not surface temperatures and does not take at all into account any change in ocean temperatures. An important and overlooked point about temperature. The "so what it is only a degree or two" increase crowd compare that to how little a difference of a 50 degree day feels to how a 52 degree day feels. Not much different, just 4%. A far better model is your own body. When your temp goes from 99 to 103 it is an enormous disrupter of your homeostasis. Even a 2% change from 99 to 101 is maladaptive. The biological homeostasis of our environment is similarly sensitive.

[virgind]

Global warming is only a common ground with which to try and bring the world together as one. The earth is and has been tipping on its axis constantly and will continue to do so. Maybe we do contribute a little bit to the warming but not enough to get to excited about. It's going to happen no matter what we do.

[tedquick]

Well, nice try but still didn't work. But I see you have posted University of Alabama Huntsville satellite temperature data. Here is the full graph at the bottom of the post. Global Temperature Report :: UAHuntsville (http://nsstc.uah.edu/climate/) Note the trend lines. Almost all the years before the El Nino were below the 30 year average while almost all the year since are above. Additionally this is reflective satellite data, not surface temperatures and does not take at all into account any change in ocean temperatures. An important and overlooked point about temperature. The "so what it is only a degree or two" increase crowd compare that to how little a difference of a 50 degree day feels to how a 52 degree day feels. Not much different, just 4%. A far better model is your own body. When your temp goes from 99 to 103 it is an enormous disrupter of your homeostasis. Even a 2% change from 99 to 101 is maladaptive. The biological homeostasis of our environment is similarly sensitive.

Not sure, blue what you mean by "it still didn't work". The link downloads a file which opens in another window when I click on it. I have to admit that I like the clarity and convenience of your graph better than my attachment. :)

[Tennisnut]

Global warming is only a common ground with which to try and bring the world together as one. The earth is and has been tipping on its axis constantly and will continue to do so. Maybe we do contribute a little bit to the warming but not enough to get to excited about. It's going to happen no matter what we do.

Thanks, now I feel so much better! Sorry kids.

[Chi-Town]

Christian Science Monitor cartoon

[Villages PL]

Yea, right. Whatever. It's -1 in KC right now, 39* below normal. I know it's not as cold as you folks in MN experience, but this is miserable. I keep telling myself "just a couple of more months here".

You just threw cold water on a hot topic.