Golf Ball Breaks Window

[Sandtrap328]

This has been discussed several months ago but now would be a good time to get snowbird viewpoints, too.

If you are playing on one of The Villages many golf courses and happen to slice or hook (any hookers out there?) through a window of a golf course home, do you go to the house and offer to pay for all/half the damage, ignore the situation and go to the next hole, or tell the homeowner (if he comes outside) that it is his problem because he bought next to a golf course?

I am not talking of legal views here but of personal actions YOU would take - as well as what advice you would give your grandchildren or you imparted to your children.

[joldnol]

if I'm not mistaken it is an inherent risk of building on a fairway and is the responsibility of the home owner or at least that's what I've always been told

[tuccillo]

I would leave them my card and ask them to send me the bill. The fact that the house is on the golf course does not matter. I damaged their house and I am responsible for my actions, in this case a bad golf swing.

This has been discussed several months ago but now would be a good time to get snowbird viewpoints, too.

If you are playing on one of The Villages many golf courses and happen to slice or hook (any hookers out there?) through a window of a golf course home, do you go to the house and offer to pay for all/half the damage, ignore the situation and go to the next hole, or tell the homeowner (if he comes outside) that it is his problem because he bought next to a golf course?

I am not talking of legal views here but of personal actions YOU would take - as well as what advice you would give your grandchildren or you imparted to your children.

[Sandtrap328]

if I'm not mistaken it is an inherent risk of building on a fairway and is the responsibility of the home owner or at least that's what I've always been told


As I stated in the post, I am not asking for legal answers but what YOU would personallt do as well as what you would teach your grandchildren ir what you imparted to your children for such siruations.

[graciegirl]

I would leave them my card and ask them to send me the bill. The fact that the house is on the golf course does not matter. I damaged their house and I am responsible for my actions, in this case a bad golf swing.

Me too.

Just my way of thinking.

[joldnol]

ok, I would tell them if they lived on a fairway to get good insurance and have a window company on speed dial.

[shcisamax]

Just because it was an accident doesn't mean you are not responsible. We all have accidents but we all should be responsible for our actions.

[kittygilchrist]

ok, I would tell them if they lived on a fairway to get good insurance and have a window company on speed dial.

And if you made two claims for $150 each, you might get your insurance canceled, even if you hadl pay it yourself due to deductible.

[JSR22]

I would pay for the window.

[Miles42]

I think that given what the The Villages rips people off for a Lot overlooking the course they should replace any damage caused by stray golf balls. Just saying.

[graciegirl]

I think that given what the The Villages rips people off for a Lot overlooking the course they should replace any damage caused by stray golf balls. Just saying.


Golf course views are premium lots all over this country.

[Miles42]

It is sarcasm Sheldon

[graciegirl]

It is sarcasm Sheldon


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omigosh. I don't know what that handsign means. I hope it's nice.

[tuccillo]

Homes on golf courses bring up some interesting etiquette questions. I believe in the following:

1) If I hit the ball in their yard I will retrieve it if there isn't a fence and nobody is outside. I don't see a problem with this and I only go in their yard if I see my ball (i.e. I won't go hunting around in their shrubbery). I won't open someone's gate to retrieve a ball. If the owners are visible I will say I am sorry for hitting in their yard and ask their permission to retrieve the ball. If they won't let me retrieve the ball I will dig into my golf bag and pull out a new ball.

2) I won't hit a ball from someone's yard. This seems pretty obvious since the ball would be out of bounds but I have seen a fair number of people who don't know the rules of golf and have hit an out of bounds ball from someone's yard. This is particularly obnoxious if they take a divot.

3) If I damage something I will pay for it. That fact that it wasn't intentional does not relieve me of my obligation.




ok, I would tell them if they lived on a fairway to get good insurance and have a window company on speed dial.

[joldnol]

Homes on golf courses bring up some interesting etiquette questions. I believe in the following:

1) If I hit the ball in their yard I will retrieve it if there isn't a fence and nobody is outside. I don't see a problem with this and I only go in their yard if I see my ball (i.e. I won't go hunting around in their shrubbery). I won't open someone's gate to retrieve a ball. If the owners are visible I will say I am sorry for hitting in their yard and ask their permission to retrieve the ball. If they won't let me retrieve the ball I will dig into my golf bag and pull out a new ball.

2) I won't hit a ball from someone's yard. This seems pretty obvious since the ball would be out of bounds but I have seen a fair number of people who don't know the rules of golf and have hit an out of bounds ball from someone's yard. This is particularly obnoxious if they take a divot.

3) If I damage something I will pay for it. That fact that it wasn't intentional does not relieve me of my obligation.

actually you are not allowed to retrieve it per instructions from the Good Golf School

[tuccillo]

If the cost was less than the deductible you would not make a claim.

And if you made two claims for $150 each, you might get your insurance canceled, even if you hadl pay it yourself due to deductible.

[tuccillo]

Yes, I know. It is called trespassing but I do it anyway. In and out quickly.

actually you are not allowed to retrieve it per instructions from the Good Golf School

[blueeagle65]

Living in a home on a golf course, one assumes the house may be hit by golf balls. The golfer has no legal obligation to pay for any damage his errant shot may cause. Good for you if you want to pay, but the assumed liability belongs to the home owner. If the home owner doesn't like it - move.

[Sandtrap328]

Living in a home on a golf course, one assumes the house may be hit by golf balls. The golfer has no legal obligation to pay for any damage his errant shot may cause. Good for you if you want to pay, but the assumed liability belongs to the home owner. If the home owner doesn't like it - move.

Once again, the question was not of legal responsibility but of personal ethical responsibility and what you would teach (or taught) your children or grandchildren in similar situations.

If your answer is still that you would just ignore he broken window and move on without any notification, just say so.

[CFrance]

Yes, I know. It is called trespassing but I do it anyway. In and out quickly.
Interesting your juxtaposition of, er, positions. You feel responsible for paying for damage despite the fact that it wasn't intentional, however you don't fee responsible to follow the trespass rules--unless somebody is looking. (If I hit a ball into their yard and their isn't a fence or somebody outside, I will go get it.)

[tuccillo]

Hmmm, let see. In one case I would have caused damage with a real financial impact and would be willing to accept responsibility. In the other case I would be walking on their grass, in much the same way the electric and water meters readers walk on the grass, but I wouldn't do it if I was disturbing the owners. It has been my experience that if golf lot owners do not want people retrieving golf balls they will put up a sign. I also jay walk on occasion.

Interesting your juxtaposition of, er, positions. You feel responsible for paying for damage despite the fact that it wasn't intentional, however you don't fee responsible to follow the trespass rules--unless somebody is looking. (If I hit a ball into their yard and their isn't a fence or somebody outside, I will go get it.)

[Biker B]

If it was your decision to buy a home on the golf course you should expect an ball will hit the house once in a while, no one hits a perfect shot all the time. The damage is the responsibility of the home owner.

[Jim 9922]

Legally not responsible for costs, but demonstrates the degradation of our society. Don't take responsibility for your own actions or misdeeds if you don't have to. A sad commentary !! :shrug:

[Sandtrap328]

Hmmm, let see. In one case I would have caused damage with a real financial impact and would be willing to accept responsibility. In the other case I would be walking on their grass, in much the same way the electric and water meters readers walk on the grass, but I wouldn't do it if I was disturbing the owners. It has been my experience that if golf lot owners do not want people retrieving golf balls they will put up a sign. I also jay walk on occasion.

I would say you demonstrate the best in what should be expected of golfers. Keep up the good job!

[tuccillo]

Whether the damage was intentional or not has no bearing on whether I would pay for it - I still caused the damage and I pay my bills. From your statement, I will assume you would be a non-payer.

Interesting your juxtaposition of, er, positions. You feel responsible for paying for damage despite the fact that it wasn't intentional, however you don't fee responsible to follow the trespass rules--unless somebody is looking. (If I hit a ball into their yard and their isn't a fence or somebody outside, I will go get it.)

[tomwed]

Don't buy a house on a golf course if you can't afford the inherent risks. Do the research and make an informed decision before buying. Your golf course lot will appreciate very well. It was a good investment.

When you sell your house and make a nice profit mail a check to every window breaker who felt obligated to pay.

Don't trespass.

[gomoho]

Interesting concept you should be a responsible person for accidentally breaking someone's window, but you are a bad guy if you also want to retrieve your ball from that same lot that landed there accidentally.

[perrjojo]

Perhaps it is not my legal obligation to pay for the window but I would feel it my personal obligation to pay. I guess you could also say that if I visit your home and break your Grandmother's Crystal vase I should not offer to replace it. After all it is your responsibility because you knew I was a klutz when you invited me to your home; therefore you knew the inherit risk.

[dewilson58]

Depends..............If I have to take a stroke, no pay........If there is no penalty stroke, I'll pay.

:pepper2:

[Bogie Shooter]

I think that given what the The Villages rips people off for a Lot overlooking the course they should replace any damage caused by stray golf balls. Just saying.

Did you get ripped off??

[NYGUY]

I take responsibility for my errant behavior, including golf shots, therefore I pay, no questions asked. And, I provide that same advice to all, including my children and grandchildren.

[tomwed]

Perhaps it is not my legal obligation to pay for the window but I would feel it my personal obligation to pay. I guess you could also say that if I visit your home and break your Grandmother's Crystal vase I should not offer to replace it. After all it is your responsibility because you knew I was a klutz when you invited me to your home; therefore you knew the inherit risk.
If you are in my house and you break something accidentally i would not consider taking any money. That's not how to treat a friend, not even a klutzy one. It's the same when my kids friends came over. Stuff happens.

Don't buy a house on a golf course expecting people to pay for the risk you took.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Legally not responsible for costs, but demonstrates the degradation of our society. Don't take responsibility for your own actions or misdeeds if you don't have to. A sad commentary !! :shrug:

Probably the same people that the post "A Thief Among Us" is about.

[tomwed]

Probably the same people that the post "A Thief Among Us" is about.
I don't see the parallel. Can you explain your point?

[JoMar]

I think that given what the The Villages rips people off for a Lot overlooking the course they should replace any damage caused by stray golf balls. Just saying.

Well that's silly.....they aren't on the golf course they are on their own property.....and TV Villages didn't rip them off. TV put a price for the property and people bought it.....nobody forced them to buy it, held a gun to their head or any other coercion Why is it that some people won't take responsibility for their own actions.....if I hit a house and cause damage it is my responsibility and my expense.

[rubicon]

As to retrieving an out of bounds ball...a utility employee has legal access to utility boxes on your property. The guy who cuts your lawn , fertilizes it etc are invitees by you. Golfers are not invitees they are trespassers and The Villages makes it clear that they refrain from retrieving their ball because of that reason. If a homeowner posts a no trespass sign and golfer ignores it then the owner has a right to make a complaint to the police.

I find it interesting that some golfers hurry from the scene when they recognize that their ball hit a house and move even quicker when they hear glass shatter. Yet they feel every right to retrieve THEIR ball because well its THEIRS.

I also pay particular attention to the tone ( posting reading between the lines) because it comes out well its your fault and not mine because you bought a house on a golf course. I suppose its a tree's fault if this same guy drives his car into a tree?

I live on a championship golf course. This is a rare time when I acknowledge it but I do so to explain that I don't mind if a golfer takes a quick look see to retrieve a ball. I do mind if they dig up my shrubs doing so, hit from my yard and drive their cart on my property and I do mind foul language as it offends my ears.

The OP's question centers on the ethical behaviors. Many homeowner insurance policies cover property of others for such occasions and liability is a non-issue. Its a good will coverage up to $500 in most policies

When playing golf here keep in mind that your view is not only about houses on the golf course it is also about the fact that the people living in those houses are your friends, neighbors or perhaps strangers that you will meet and become further engaged at the town square, MVP rec center etc.

[tuccillo]

In the case where I broke a window and wanted to leave my card so the owners could send me a bill, I would have to trespass across their lawn to leave the card. Presumably this would be OK. However, if I hit the ball 10 feet pass the out-of-bounds markers onto an owner's grass, it would not be OK to walk those 10 feet to retrieve the ball. This is the problem with "don't trespass".

Don't buy a house on a golf course if you can't afford the inherent risks. Do the research and make an informed decision before buying. Your golf course lot will appreciate very well. It was a good investment.

When you sell your house and make a nice profit mail a check to every window breaker who felt obligated to pay.

Don't trespass.

[tomwed]

When you buy a house you determine it's value based upon the conditions that currently exist. That's why a lot on a golf course that has a very, very low risk of getting hit with a golf ball cost more.

How can a tree be at fault if you hit it with your car? Even if you plant a tree so that it partially blocks your driveway, if you hit it, it's not the trees fault. You decided that was a good place for a tree.

You decided to have a window that faces a golfer.

[shcisamax]

how can a tree be at fault if you hit it with your car? Even if you plant a tree so that it partially blocks your driveway, if you hit it, it's not the trees fault. You decided that was a good place for a tree.




You are right that it isn't the tree's fault. The problem isn't that you put the tree there. Consider the problem possibly is it is your fault for hitting the tree.

It is an interesting argument actually.

[Sandtrap328]

If you are in my house and you break something accidentally i would not consider taking any money. That's not how to treat a friend, not even a klutzy one. It's the same when my kids friends came over. Stuff happens.

Don't buy a house on a golf course expecting people to pay for the risk you took.

So, you are saying if you are playing golf in a foursome and you slice your ball through someone's window, you will just continue on your way? If someone in your group says it is the ethical standard to go to the homeowner and "man up", you would scoff at that and just continue with your game?

[tomwed]

You are right that it isn't the tree's fault. The problem isn't that you put the tree there. Consider the problem possibly is it is your fault for hitting the tree.

It is an interesting argument actually.
It is your fault that you hit the tree. It's also your fault for putting it someplace that is easy hit.

[tuccillo]

The real issue is whether you make the offer (sincerely) to pay for the damages. The person can refuse to accept but the offer, in my mind, is everything. You made a bad swing (your fault) and you damaged their property so you should pay for it.

If you are in my house and you break something accidentally i would not consider taking any money. That's not how to treat a friend, not even a klutzy one. It's the same when my kids friends came over. Stuff happens.

Don't buy a house on a golf course expecting people to pay for the risk you took.

[tomwed]

What if your kids were playing ball in the street and they break a window. You have to pay for the window. The person that bought the house wasn't expecting kids to play ball on the streets.

I never broke a window and I have been playing for 50 years, coaching HS golf for over 30 years. Since i have been down here I made 2 hole in ones and I've only been here off and on for 2 1/2 years. I think it's very fair to say it's easier to get a hole in one then to break a window. I play the execs. I can't remember the last time I yelled "fore". In NJ I would yell just about every day. I think TV has things laid out to keep houses and people safe.

I am going to pay closer attention to see how hard it would be to break a window on a Village golf course. I wonder if anybody keeps those kind of statistics, number of broken windows. I would want to know that before I bought a house that comes into play.

[The20Percent]

I find it telling how many of those that say they would pay for the damage will say nothing more than it's their responsiblity for hitting their ball off course, while the others that do not appear to not want to accept responsiblity for the damage, appear to make different explainations (excuses?) about why they shouldn't have to pay for the damage they caused.

If I scrapped up against someone's car in the parking lot by misjudging my car's parking space, then I would feel responsible and wait for the driver to return or leave a note on their car. I see no difference with hitting my golf ball carelessly, or in the wrong direction and breaking out someone's house window...both these actions have (unintentionally) caused damaged to an innocent person's property and I hold myself morally responsible for my actions. It's a matter of character and my parents and grandparents alike both taught me to have good character. It may not immediately feel good to fess up and pay up, but I feel that if I treat my fellow man the way I would wish to be treated if something like this happened to me, I will never have to doubt my decision, consciously worry, or worse yet be a bad example to those that may wish to emulate me.

[tomwed]

I find it telling how many of those that say they would pay for the damage will say nothing more than it's their responsiblity for hitting their ball off course, while the others that do not appear to not want to accept responsiblity for the damage, appear to make different explainations (excuses?) about why they shouldn't have to pay for the damage they caused.

If I scrapped up against someone's car in the parking lot by misjudging my car's parking space, then I would feel responsible and wait for the driver to return or leave a note on their car. I see no difference with hitting my golf ball carelessly, or in the wrong direction and breaking out someone's house window...both these actions have (unintentionally) caused damaged to an innocent person's property and I hold myself morally responsible for my actions. It's a matter of character and my parents and grandparents alike both taught me to have good character. It may not immediately feel good to fess up and pay up, but I feel that if I treat my fellow man the way I would wish to be treated if something like this happened to me, I will never have to doubt my decision, consciously worry, or worse yet be a bad example to those that may wish to emulate me.

I would agree that if I break something that does not belong to me I will pay to get it fixed. There are exceptions to the rule and one of them is that if you are on a golf course and the course preceded the house the homeowner assumes the risk. I don't know any other exceptions but I do know golf.

How often do you play golf? How many windows have you broken?

[gomoho]

I find it telling how many of those that say they would pay for the damage will say nothing more than it's their responsiblity for hitting their ball off course, while the others that do not appear to not want to accept responsiblity for the damage, appear to make different explainations (excuses?) about why they shouldn't have to pay for the damage they caused.

If I scrapped up against someone's car in the parking lot by misjudging my car's parking space, then I would feel responsible and wait for the driver to return or leave a note on their car. I see no difference with hitting my golf ball carelessly, or in the wrong direction and breaking out someone's house window...both these actions have (unintentionally) caused damaged to an innocent person's property and I hold myself morally responsible for my actions. It's a matter of character and my parents and grandparents alike both taught me to have good character. It may not immediately feel good to fess up and pay up, but I feel that if I treat my fellow man the way I would wish to be treated if something like this happened to me, I will never have to doubt my decision, consciously worry, or worse yet be a bad example to those that may wish to emulate me.

I agree with most of what you said; however, when I park in a parking lot I do so with the expectation everyone will stay in their own space and not damage my vehicle. If I buy on the golf course I do so knowing full well there is a possibility my home could be damaged by errant balls.

[Tonmnyputts]

If you hit a golf ball and it causes any damage, you are liable.

[tomwed]

I play every day. I'm going to ask the starters and ambassadors if they know how many windows are broken a year on the courses they take care of. Most of the bigger homes have lanais.
If anyone else golfs on this thread please do the same. I'll bet it's very, very rare.

I doubt if any will.

[charlie49]

Errant shots in golf are not accidents, they are part of the game and even happen to the best professional golfers. Perhaps that is why the law does not hold the golfer liable and sees the homeowner as assuming risk when buying a house on a golf course.

Now consider the homeowner demanding a golfer to pay for damages. Is that fair to the golfer when the homeowner knows the law and chooses to ignore the law in their favor? The homeowner is the one that needs to be responsible.

I live on a golf course. While deciding to purchase the house, I wondered how often the house would be hit by golf balls. If a golfer damages my property and offers to pay for damages I would say, "You do not have to pay, this is part of living on a course."

In answer to the question, I would not pay. It was not an accident, it was a just a bad golf shot.

[perrjojo]

I do not live on a golf course now but I have lived on two courses over the past twenty years. It has mostly been a good experience with a few yahoo golfer experiences. Never have had a broken window but balls have hit the house and in the yard. Yes, I knew there was a resonable expectation that my property might be damaged but I also had a reasonable expectation that those on the golf course knew how to play. The biggest problem came from those who played the black tees when they obviously should have been on the gold. Yes, both my husband and I golf. I guess the real question here is ...DO WHATEVER LETS YOU SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT. Tha seems to vary from person to person. As for me, I,will,offer to pay. I was always grateful for those who were respectful of my property but never asked anyone who offered to pay to do so.

[tomwed]

I do not live on a golf course now but I have lived on two courses over the past twenty years. It has mostly been a good experience with a few yahoo golfer experiences. Never have had a broken window but balls have hit the house and in the yard. Yes, I knew there was a resonable expectation that my property might be damaged but I also had a reasonable expectation that those on the golf course knew how to play. The biggest problem came from those who played the black tees when they obviously should have been on the gold. Yes, both my husband and I golf. I guess the real question here is ...DO WHATEVER LETS YOU SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT. Tha seems to vary from person to person. As for me, I,will,offer to pay. I was always grateful for those who were respectful of my property but never asked anyone who offered to pay to do so.
Thank-you for sharing
If they never broke a window would they offer to pay if they hit your house?

[tomwed]

off topic:
Do houses on a golf course appreciate equally as house not on the golf course?
When I was shopping a year plus July 4], the golf course lot's were starting at $155k in Collier as I recall. Anyone know what they are starting at now?

I always wondered too if executive golf course lots were priced the same as championship golf course lots.

[shcisamax]

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[tomwed]

When you park in a parking lot, you can't honestly believe everyone will stay inside the lines. Certainly you do so with the knowledge that there is the possibility that someone will open their door and hit your car because they did not park properly or their carriage rolls into your car and scratches it. It is an accident but one expects them to assume the responsibility?
I think that's the difference between people that think like you and people that think like me. Most people think like you. They get angry when things don't go there way.

I have a new car and it's important to me that it not get chafed in any way. I am one of those people who will park far and away from everyone else and enjoy the walk. When the time comes that I cannot walk that far I will expect the worse. And feel grateful if someone assumes responsibility for damage.

In an odd sort of way this keeps me happy because I am never disappointed. After all, it's only a car.

[perrjojo]

Thank-you for sharing
If they never broke a window would they offer to pay if they hit your house?
We had a stucco home And the balls damaged the stucco. We paid 600 to 700 dollars a year for stucco repair and yes, occasionally someone offered to pay. Many people came into our yard uninvited...many asked permission. I never minded those who asked. As I said before...most errant shots where from those trying to tee off beyond their capability.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Legally not responsible for costs, but demonstrates the degradation of our society. Don't take responsibility for your own actions or misdeeds if you don't have to. A sad commentary !! :shrug:

I don't see the parallel. Can you explain your point?

A post was written about a person stealing a shag bag full of golf balls off a persons cart. This person made the choice to steal something from
a(nother) Villager and was very irresponsible for his actions when he didn't have to do that.

The parallel is, he is the same type of irresponsible person that would break a persons window with a golf ball and not notify the homeowner of this, in essence, he is stealing the homeowners funds required to pay for his window.

I've unfortunately broke 1 window in all my years of playing golf, and yes, I left a note on the homeowners door with my contact info.

[tomwed]

We had a stucco home And the balls damaged the stucco. We paid 600 to 700 dollars a year for stucco repair and yes, occasionally someone offered to pay. Many people came into our yard uninvited...many asked permission. I never minded those who asked. As I said before...most errant shots where from those trying to tee off beyond their capability.
I had no idea stucco was that fragile. I always thought that broken windows was the biggest risk. I couldn't afford a golf course lot so I didn't look into it.

[tomwed]

A post was written about a person stealing a shag bag full of golf balls off a persons cart. This person made the choice to steal something from
a(nother) Villager and was very irresponsible for his actions when he didn't have to do that.

The parallel is, he is the same type of irresponsible person that would break a persons window with a golf ball and not notify the homeowner of this, in essence, he is stealing the homeowners funds required to pay for his window.

I've unfortunately broke 1 window in all my years of playing golf, and yes, I left a note on the homeowners door with my contact info.

You are right. You are a good person. I am not.

[keithwand]

I like your honesty.

[Sandtrap328]

You are right. You are a good person. I am not.

Sure looks that way,doesn't it? Did you teach your values (?) to your children, too?

[Barefoot]

I would leave them my card and ask them to send me the bill. The fact that the house is on the golf course does not matter. I damaged their house and I am responsible for my actions, in this case a bad golf swing.

I agree, and I would teach children to follow the golden rule.

[mtdjed]

Just thinking. The home owner will likely suffer a loss because of his deduction, but won't your liability insurance pay for the loss.

I do notice that many golf course homes have window protection in place.

[handyman]

I take responsibility for my errant behavior, including golf shots, therefore I pay, no questions asked. And, I provide that same advice to all, including my children and grandchildren.

My hat off to you ,I wish That you were one of the persons that hit the back of my car 600.00 damage ,two door dings left side,one right,I think that you might have left a note and least said I'm sorry .

[Villager Dude]

1. Take Ownership of issue and pay for damage

2. leave card if owner not home

3. Call my teaching Pro and tell him my cost of golf has gone up and I need help

4. But legally I do not think I am responsible but would be a good guy about it

[red tail]

in 5 years of living on a championship course I have had 3 broken windows and numerous roof tiles broken by errant balls and never once had anyone even look my way let alone offer to pay or apologize. im not complaining , im wondering where all these honest people are?

[shcisamax]

I don't know who made the rule about it is the owner's responsibility if a golfer's ball hits their house because it goes against everything sensible. I was walking close to the front of our home on the side furthest from course. The house curves away from the course so to hit something there it would be about a 70 degree angle. Some self deluding person who felt he should play from black hooked a ball so badly that it hit the roof and came down about a foot from me. If it had hit me in the head, certainly a stroke of bad luck, is it my bad for living there? At what point is it the golfer's responsibility to have control over his ball? No one starts off as a stellar player but should they be expected to play where they are not a danger?

[karostay]

I would leave them my card and ask them to send me the bill. The fact that the house is on the golf course does not matter. I damaged their house and I am responsible for my actions, in this case a bad golf swing.

:gc: Exactly :bowdown:

[TheVillageChicken]

I would offer to pay. If, however, the resident came out ranting, raving, and cussing me out, I would tell them to pound sand.

[NYGUY]

I don't know who made the rule about it is the owner's responsibility if a golfer's ball hits their house because it goes against everything sensible....

It's not a "who" made the rule, but it is long ago settled case law....doesn't everyone want to follow the law :cus:

[tuccillo]

I found the following on-line. I find the part about "trespassing" to retrieve your golf ball rather interesting. It also suggests that everyone other than the golfer is typically protected from liability. I do not know what the deed restrictions are in the Villages.


Golf Ball Hazards In Florida: Legal Overview
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As Floridians, some of us are lucky enough to enjoy the spaciousness and beauty of golf course views from our homes. Unfortunately, this serenity is occasionally marred by golfers seeking errant balls or by the balls themselves bouncing off our exterior walls. Is there anything we can do about these annoyances?

Golfers or Golf Balls Trespassing on Florida Property

A person who enters another person's property without permission is trespassing. Trespass is one of the oldest civil law claims. In order to claim a trespass, you must have warned the trespasser and asked them to stop, and there cannot be a valid reason for the trespasser's presence.

A trespass could be above ground or underground because a property owner's rights also extend into the air above the property and into the ground below. As an example, a person who flies a model airplane over your property or someone who shoots a gun across your property lines may be trespassing.

Exceptions to Trespassing Laws in Florida

Entry onto land without the owner's express consent or invitation might be permissible under certain circumstances. Emergencies are one of these circumstances. Police may chase suspected criminals across private land, firemen may string fire hoses, and neighbors may rescue a child from a neighbor's pool if they believe he is in jeopardy of drowning. Likewise, if someone was in a boat in a canal behind your home and the boat began to sink, the boater would be permitted to land on the closest property because of necessity. In fact, you could be liable for injuries if you turned their sinking boat away. Of course, the boater would not be permitted to pitch a tent and have a barbecue once he has landed.

Florida Property Law and Golfers

Under Florida property and real estate laws, golf course communities almost always have a section in their deed restrictions, easements, and covenants that allow golfers to retrieve their errant balls on residents’ properties. A section might read something like: "Every Lot and the Common Area is burdened with an easement permitting golf balls hit from the Club facilities to unintentionally come upon the Lot and for golfers at reasonable times and in a reasonable manner to come upon the exterior portions of the Lot to retrieve errant golf balls." It sounds complicated, but it gives golfers a legal opportunity to find and recover their errant shots, when reasonable to do so. If your Lot is fenced or walled, property documents generally require that golfers ask your permission before entry.

In short, it is likely that a golfer may enter your property to retrieve items such as golf balls (or pets) if they do so in a reasonable manner. Tearing down your fence would obviously not be considered reasonable. If your own property located on or adjacent to a golf course, you should become familiar with the applicable sections of any deed restrictions, easements, and/or covenants that apply to your property.

Who is Liable if a Golf Ball Causes Damage?

Another general concern is damage that may be done by errant golf balls. Generally speaking, the golf club, the builder, and the course designer are usually protected from liability from golf ball damage in the same documents described above. A golfers' liability clause might read like this: "All owners, by acceptance and delivery of a deed to a Lot, assume all risks associated with errant golf balls, and all Owners agree not to make any claim or institute any action against the Community Developer, the Club, the golf course designer, the builder or any other party other than the golfer who caused the property damage or personal injury, arising or resulting from any errant balls or golf clubs.” This is a long way of saying a homeowner normally assumes (takes on) the risk of damage, and although golfers may be responsible for damage, collecting can be difficult and impractical. Instead, many homeowners choose to purchase homeowner’s insurance to cover such an event.

More Resources

Marauding golfers and destructive balls are rare in most communities, but figuring out what law applies can be difficult. If a problem is severe, you can seek the advice of an experienced real estate attorney in Florida. Or you can find more general information on this topic in FindLaw’s real estate law and neighbor law sections.
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I would offer to pay. If, however, the resident came out ranting, raving, and cussing me out, I would tell them to pound sand.

[ROCKETMAN]

If you want to live on a golf course that is a problem you have to deal with. with golf course lots costing $100,000 extra, the homeowner must handle the extra cost of the insurence premium he will have to pay and I don't think it will put him in financial ruin. Thats just the reality of your choice and bad swings.

[dolpterry]

I would go get a few more lessons to correct the slice or hook.

[Barefoot]

It's not a "who" made the rule, but it is long ago settled case law....doesn't everyone want to follow the law :cus:


I am not talking of legal views here but of personal actions YOU would take
- as well as what advice you would give your grandchildren or you imparted to your children.

As I understand the intent of this thread, it's not about legal views ---- it's about moral values
---- taking responsibility for damage we've caused and advising our children to do likewise.

[kittygilchrist]

If the cost was less than the deductible you would not make a claim.

If you call to have someone come out from the insurance companyand tell you how much it costs, that is a claim. Isn't that right?

[kittygilchrist]

If you want to live on a golf course that is a problem you have to deal with. with golf course lots costing $100,000 extra, the homeowner must handle the extra cost of the insurence premium he will have to pay and I don't think it will put him in financial ruin. Thats just the reality of your choice and bad swings.

And the ideology of envy?

[tuccillo]

You can get an estimate from a vendor and then decide whether it is worth while to file a claim. If you have a deductible and the cost appears to be less than the deductible then I don't see the point in involving the insurance company. If you don't know whether you have a deductible or whether the deductible actually applies to the issue at hand, you can always call and ask.

If you call to have someone come out from the insurance companyand tell you how much it costs, that is a claim. Isn't that right?

[tuccillo]

There might not be an insurance premium on golf course homes. The price premium is typically on the lot and you don't insure the dirt. In other words, your home owners insurance is proportional to the cost of the house and the price of the lot doesn't matter. I guess there could, however, be a surcharge on golf course homes because of the higher risk of golf ball damage - not sure as I don't live on a golf course.

If you want to live on a golf course that is a problem you have to deal with. with golf course lots costing $100,000 extra, the homeowner must handle the extra cost of the insurence premium he will have to pay and I don't think it will put him in financial ruin. Thats just the reality of your choice and bad swings.

[malloryswinger]

It is an inherent risk of living on the golf course and as a player you are not responsible to replace window. I would however, leave a card at their home and offer some type of message.

[eremite06]

I'm not of a golfer but I have always heard that the measure of ones character is often better determined by what he/she does when no one else is looking than by public statements or in plain view actions.

......or by pontificating on this forum.

Don't play golf and don't live on a course. But, I got hit by a ball while riding my motorcycle. And my neighbor's house sustained a broken window from an errant tee shot super slice.:shrug:

[tedquick]

I would offer to pay. If, however, the resident came out ranting, raving, and cussing me out, I would tell them to pound sand.

Now that's funny!!

[justjim]

As I understand the intent of this thread, it's not about legal views ---- it's about moral values
---- taking responsibility for damage we've caused and advising our children to do likewise.

:beer3: I agree---if you are a "true etiquette golfer" you will pay for the broken window. That's the responsible thing to do.

[tedquick]

I would pay for the broken window. I'm living in my 8th house on a golf course and I've never had a window broken, but if someone broke a window and offered to pay for it I'd let them know that I had it covered. I won't walk into someone else's yard to retrieve a ball, but if it could be reached with a ball retriever I'd do that. I do not like it when others come into my yard to retrieve a ball, but if I were outside and they asked I'd certainly allow it. I'd probably even pick it up and hand it back if I were closer than they were.

[chuckinca]

......or by pontificating on this forum.

Don't play golf and don't live on a course. But, I got hit by a ball while riding my motorcycle. And my neighbors house sustained a broken window from an errant tee shot super slice.:shrug:


A few years ago a ball went over our house and broke the car windshield.

Covered by auto comprehensive insurance without a deductible (a house window would have cost me).

.

[dbussone]

Tucillo - thanks for your informative post. I have lived in several golf communities, including having a home adjacent to a fairway and green. It has always been the practice that a homeowner is responsible for golf ball damage. After all, you have an expectation that errant golf balls are a part of the environment you selected.

[Jim 9922]

As my Grandpappy would say, "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"


Yes, over the years I've paid for 2 windows, a parking lot ding, a couple of broken things in friends homes and a broken borrowed tool, --- and taught my kids to do likewise if the occasion arose.

Why "cost" other people if I am such a klutz??!

[Bay Kid]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[tomwed]

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones or live on a golf course.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I'm living in my 8th house on a golf course

Sweeeeeeeet! I'm on my 2nd. Fingers crossed, I haven't had a broken window yet.

[kcrazorbackfan]

There was a post on TOTV several months back about a home in Naples, FL that has been hit by over 30,000 golf balls in 15 years. You'd have to wear a hard hat and body armor to be out in that yard putzing around.

[tedquick]

Sweeeeeeeet! I'm on my 2nd. Fingers crossed, I haven't had a broken window yet.

It's unlikely that you'll ever have a broken window, but if you do I hope the golfer will fess up. Best of luck!! How soon are you moving down here for good?

[dbussone]

I would pay for the broken window. I'm living in my 8th house on a golf course and I've never had a window broken, but if someone broke a window and offered to pay for it I'd let them know that I had it covered. I won't walk into someone else's yard to retrieve a ball, but if it could be reached with a ball retriever I'd do that. I do not like it when others come into my yard to retrieve a ball, but if I were outside and they asked I'd certainly allow it. I'd probably even pick it up and hand it back if I were closer than they were.


You should be promoted by TOTV to "Sage."

[tuccillo]

I found the actual article on the internet. It appears that most of the balls are just landing in their yard but they have had some significant damage. Here is a link:

SPORTSbyBROOKS » What The? Couples Home Hit By 30,000+ Golf Balls (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/what-the-couples-home-hit-by-30000-golf-balls-27682)

There was a post on TOTV several months back about a home in Naples, FL that has been hit by over 30,000 golf balls in 15 years. You'd have to wear a hard hat and body armor to be out in that yard putzing around.

[kcrazorbackfan]

It's unlikely that you'll ever have a broken window, but if you do I hope the golfer will fess up. Best of luck!! How soon are you moving down here for good?

My wife and her mom will be there 3/1 (her mom moving into Providence). I'll be in KC until our home here sells; hopefully won't be long as it is in a desirable neighborhood north of KC.

[tomwed]

There was a post on TOTV several months back about a home in Naples, FL that has been hit by over 30,000 golf balls in 15 years. You'd have to wear a hard hat and body armor to be out in that yard putzing around.
Here is the story. click here (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/what-the-couples-home-hit-by-30000-golf-balls-27682)

The house was there 7 years before the golf course. The golf course has has 3 different owners. Sometime they get 200 balls a day landing on their property. I think the golf course should be held liable since the house was there first and the course did not take any measures to protect the house. Instead of a golf course what if it was a shooting range?

There was a golf course I use to play called Ramblewood in Mt. Laurel, NJ . There were houses built around the course. The golf course owners want to sell the course to building investors but were prevented because the residents were sold golf course lots and they have to remain golf course lots. Otherwise the houses would unfairly depreciate.

[red tail]

It's unlikely that you'll ever have a broken window, but if you do I hope the golfer will fess up. Best of luck!! How soon are you moving down here for good?

unlikely??? try living on the right side of the fairway 150 yards out and say that!

[tedquick]

unlikely??? try living on the right side of the fairway 150 yards out and say that!

Yep! If you live 150 yards from the tee boxes or the green and on the right side you certainly are much more likely to get hit. I was in real estate for 41 years and whenever someone bought a home from me that was on a course, I told them of my personal experience but that I would never tell anyone that "you will never get hit". Few did, except those, apparently like you, that lived in that perfect spot. Hope those who damaged your property have fessed up and made it right with you.

[tedquick]

My wife and her mom will be there 3/1 (her mom moving into Providence). I'll be in KC until our home here sells; hopefully won't be long as it is in a desirable neighborhood north of KC.

Best of luck in selling your home. My wife's mother, sister, brother-in-law, two nieces and their husbands live in Blue Springs.

[tomwed]

Yep! If you live 150 yards from the tee boxes or the green and on the right side you certainly are much more likely to get hit. I was in real estate for 41 years and whenever someone bought a home from me that was on a course, I told them of my personal experience but that I would never tell anyone that "you will never get hit". Few did, except those, apparently like you, that lived in that perfect spot. Hope those who damaged your property have fessed up and made it right with you.
No one has to fess up. That's the law. This is the crux of the problem. You bought the house, you bought knowing the risks, you decided how to prevent or not prevent damage, you make the profit.
If I bought the house these would be my problems and I would have solutions to prevent damage.
Do unto others applies.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Best of luck in selling your home. My wife's mother, sister, brother-in-law, two nieces and their husbands live in Blue Springs.

When my wife started her career with DOJ, she lived in Blue Springs. A lot of changes in 28 years.

[joldnol]

And the ideology of envy?

not envy but reality

[tomwed]

And the ideology of envy?
What does this mean?

[graciegirl]

I think what Kitty meant by the ideology of envy is something like this;

Some people can afford to live on higher priced lots on the golf course. Probably due to working hard, working long hours, sacrificing a lot along the way, being conservative in expenditures, waiting to retire, living carefully and saving their money.

And some people cannot afford to live on higher priced lots on the golf course. Sometimes the golf cart lot livers are envied due to no bad deed of their own.

No one knows for sure, but I don't think we have many drug dealers living on those expensive lots. And if the people who live on a golf course lot can afford them...then enjoy them thoroughly.

You worked hard and you deserve it Kitty. You carried the world's problems on your back and in your heart. I hope you enjoy the view and the lovely home for a very long time.

[tedquick]

No one has to fess up. That's the law. This is the crux of the problem. You bought the house, you bought knowing the risks, you decided how to prevent or not prevent damage, you make the profit.
If I bought the house these would be my problems and I would have solutions to prevent damage.
Do unto others applies.

Many years ago I was involved in a very touchy legal situation and on the advice of my company's and my own attorney I followed the law. It was the wrong thing to have done. It was the law but that did not make it the moral, ethical or right thing to have done. I regretted it from the outset. If the same thing were to ever happen again I would do what is right and take my chances with the law. The law may be the law, but it has no morals or ethics. It has no conscience and does not have the ability to cover all possible situations and every conceivable ambiguity.

And I understand what the law is in this case. I just don't think it's right. Each of us has to make our own judgments and decisions based upon whatever values we may hold.

[The Mountaineer]

I've played 6 times since arriving in January and I haven't seen a golf ball smash a window yet. Many of those playing can't break a window because their ball doesn't get up in the air that high.

[Barefoot]

I am not talking of legal views here but of personal actions YOU would take - as well as what advice you would give your grandchildren or you imparted to your children.


Each of us has to make our own judgments and decisions based upon whatever values we may hold.

Exactly. We all have different value systems that govern our decision making.
Therefore, there will be no consensus on this thread.

[Polar Bear]

I'm honestly not sure what I would do. It hasn't happened to me yet and I hope it never does. But I see a lot of posts saying, legalities aside, the golfer should take responsibility for their actions. I can't help but think....the homeowner has taken an action in deciding to buy on the golf course. Where is the responsibility for that action?

Some in the golfer-should-take-responsibility-for-their-action crowd sound a bit holier-than-thou to me. I just don't think it's clear-cut enough to look down on those who would play on and leave it to the homeowner.

[kittygilchrist]

LI think what Kitty meant by the ideology of envy is something like this;

Some people can afford to live on higher priced lots on the golf course. Probably due to working hard, working long hours, sacrificing a lot along the way, being conservative in expenditures, waiting to retire, living carefully and saving their money.

And some people cannot afford to live on higher priced lots on the golf course. Sometimes the golf cart lot livers are envied due to no bad deed of their own.

No one knows for sure, but I don't think we have many drug dealers living on those expensive lots. And if the people who live on a golf course lot can afford them...then enjoy them thoroughly.

You worked hard and you deserve it Kitty. You carried the world's problems on your back and in your heart. I hope you enjoy the view and the lovely home for a very long time.

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Spot on, GG.

[2BNTV]

I would pay for the damages I caused, as "it is the right thing to do".

[scarecrow1]

actually you are not allowed to retrieve it per instructions from the Good Golf School

I don't go on their property but get my ball retriever out and use that to get my ball from their yard. I also use it to get my ball out of traps that I don't want to play from. Then I don't have to rake.....

[LuckySevens]

Legally not responsible for costs, but demonstrates the degradation of our society. Don't take responsibility for your own actions or misdeeds if you don't have to. A sad commentary !! :shrug:

Hooray for this comment. You are the kind of person I could be friends with!

[LuckySevens]

I find it telling how many of those that say they would pay for the damage will say nothing more than it's their responsiblity for hitting their ball off course, while the others that do not appear to not want to accept responsiblity for the damage, appear to make different explainations (excuses?) about why they shouldn't have to pay for the damage they caused.

If I scrapped up against someone's car in the parking lot by misjudging my car's parking space, then I would feel responsible and wait for the driver to return or leave a note on their car. I see no difference with hitting my golf ball carelessly, or in the wrong direction and breaking out someone's house window...both these actions have (unintentionally) caused damaged to an innocent person's property and I hold myself morally responsible for my actions. It's a matter of character and my parents and grandparents alike both taught me to have good character. It may not immediately feel good to fess up and pay up, but I feel that if I treat my fellow man the way I would wish to be treated if something like this happened to me, I will never have to doubt my decision, consciously worry, or worse yet be a bad example to those that may wish to emulate me.

I applaud you!!!!

[tomwed]

I'm honestly not sure what I would do. It hasn't happened to me yet and I hope it never does. But I see a lot of posts saying, legalities aside, the golfer should take responsibility for their actions. I can't help but think....the homeowner has taken an action in deciding to buy on the golf course. Where is the responsibility for that action?

Some in the golfer-should-take-responsibility-for-their-action crowd sound a bit holier-than-thou to me. I just don't think it's clear-cut enough to look down on those who would play on and leave it to the homeowner.
That's how I see it too. If I made the decision to buy a house in harm's way I have to take responsibility. I would do what was possible to protect my investment. Others may put a greenhouse on the back and cringe everytime someone swings.

I don't envy the golf course lot owners. Why should I?
I don't like being told what I feel, what I think or being told I'm an unfit parent.

I really would like to own a lot that overlooks a pond. I enjoy watching and taking pictures of water birds. That's not envy either. I wish I was a better golfer too. Is that envy?

As far as do unto others,,,,I would never impose my values on anyone or tell anyone else they are unfit to be a parent. I don't want that done to me either.

I should let this go. I usually avoid confrontation. But stealing someone's golf bag is wrong as is not paying for a dented car door but somehow I'm lumped in with those people too.

What if you broke a glass at a restaurant? I wouldn't pay for that either. But that doesn't mean I would steal a glass. And if I knocked over someones drink, I would apologize and buy them a drink.

[graciegirl]

That's how I see it too. If I made the decision to buy a house in harm's way I have to take responsibility. I would do what was possible to protect my investment. Others may put a greenhouse on the back and cringe everytime someone swings.

I don't envy the golf course lot owners. Why should I?
I don't like being told what I feel, what I think or being told I'm an unfit parent.

I really would like to own a lot that overlooks a pond. I enjoy watch and taking pictures of water birds. That's not envy either. I wish I was a better golfer too. Is that envy?

As far as do unto others,,,,I would never impose my values on anyone or tell anyone else they are unfit to be a parent. I don't want that done to me either.


Maybe it does seem holier than thou, but my view is colored by having lived in Golf Course communities for over 40 years, but the ones we lived in were on ONE golf course. Members dined and drank at one club house and we were in numerous golf groups and leagues so if you broke a window you were with people who would know you and know the homeowner and know a lot of folks in the community who golfed.

You were made. Period and amen and there was no getting around it. Plus we were always taught that golfers acted like ladies and gentlemen. There was a time like that and many did. A window pane generally is not going to cost a LOT, but in my view it is the right thing to do. If you broke it, you bought it.

[tuccillo]

Well said. Golf is a sport based on honor and integrity.

Maybe it does seem holier than thou, but my view is colored by having lived in Golf Course communities for over 40 years, but the ones we lived in were on ONE golf course. Members dined and drank at one club house and we were in numerous golf groups and leagues so if you broke a window you were with people who would know you and know the homeowner and know a lot of folks in the community who golfed.

You were made. Period and amen and there was no getting around it. Plus we were always taught that golfers acted like ladies and gentlemen. There was a time like that and many did. A window pane generally is not going to cost a LOT, but in my view it is the right thing to do. If you broke it, you bought it.

[Polar Bear]

...the ones we lived in were on ONE golf course. Members dined and drank at one club house and we were in numerous golf groups and leagues so if you broke a window you were with people who would know you and know the homeowner and know a lot of folks in the community who golfed...You were made...

I can see how that would be a major factor. :22yikes: Nevertheless...

Well said. Golf is a sport based on honor and integrity.

This is the type of post that brings holier-than-thou to mind...the strong implication that those who would walk on have no honor and integrity. I take great exception to that.

[Sandtrap328]

That's how I see it too. If I made the decision to buy a house in harm's way I have to take responsibility. I would do what was possible to protect my investment. Others may put a greenhouse on the back and cringe everytime someone swings.

I don't envy the golf course lot owners. Why should I?
I don't like being told what I feel, what I think or being told I'm an unfit parent.

I really would like to own a lot that overlooks a pond. I enjoy watching and taking pictures of water birds. That's not envy either. I wish I was a better golfer too. Is that envy?

As far as do unto others,,,,I would never impose my values on anyone or tell anyone else they are unfit to be a parent. I don't want that done to me either.


We taught our kids that we pay for accidents. They have passed that onto their kids.
I wonder how the members of a golf group would react if one of their members broke a window and just kept walking. Personally, I would never play with that person again. Sometimes, you just have to do the right thing and "man up".

[Barefoot]

We taught our kids that we pay for accidents. They have passed that onto their kids.
I wonder how the members of a golf group would react if one of their members broke a window and just kept walking. Personally, I would never play with that person again. Sometimes, you just have to do the right thing and "man up".

You've really touched a nerve with this thread!
From the people who feel "You broke it, now pay for it". To the opposite viewpoint ...
"People who live on golf courses need to accept that there will be hit-and-run golfers".
I agree with you Sandtrap, that sometimes you just have to do the right thing and man up.
It just seems wrong to think that someone can break a window, take no responsibility, and happily continue playing golf.
And that is not a "holier-than-thou" statement.

[tomwed]

You've really touched a nerve with this thread!
From the people who feel "You broke it, now pay for it". To the opposite viewpoint ...
"People who live on golf courses need to accept that there will be hit-and-run golfers".
I agree with you Sandtrap, that sometimes you just have to do the right thing and man up.
It just seems wrong to think that someone can break a window, take no responsibility, and happily continue playing golf.
And that is not a "holier-than-thou" statement.
But it's not black and white, one way or another. It's complicated as most things are in life. I will tell anyone that I broke their window. I would first call the starter shed and tell them to look into it just in case someone got hurt and they might need help. I just won't pay for the window because they wanted to live where golf balls go and not protect themselves.

[Polar Bear]

We taught our kids that we pay for accidents. They have passed that onto their kids.

I wonder how the members of a golf group would react if one of their members broke a window and just kept walking. Personally, I would never play with that person again. Sometimes, you just have to do the right thing and "man up".

Obviously I picked the wrong phrase..."just keep walking". I don't mean that some action or show of concern should not be shown. But I think almost everybody would eventually continue playing. That's all I meant.

But "never play with that person again"? Really?!? If you were playing in a group when such an unfortunate event took place, would you call off the rest of the round? I don't think so. After whatever action you deem appropriate...writing a check, leaving a business card, whatever...I think it's a pretty safe bet you'd continue playing. Does that mean your group-mates should never play with you again?

...I just won't pay for the window because they wanted to live where golf balls go and not protect themselves.


I find it hard to argue with this simple statement. I even have a little problem with the use of the word 'accident' to describe this occurrence. To me an accident is something that can be avoided.

[tomwed]

Obviously I picked the wrong phrase..."just keep walking". I don't mean that some action or show of concern should not be shown.

But "never play with that person again"? Really?!? If you were playing in a group when such an unfortunate event took place, would you call off the rest of the round? I don't think so. After whatever action you deem appropriate...writing a check, leaving a business card, whatever...I think it's a pretty safe bet you'd continue playing. That is, if you could get down off your high horse long enough to swing a club.
//// i was too preachy

[Polar Bear]

Remember that old joke.

So one day a bunch of old time regulars were playing and and on the 8th hole, the oldest Harry, had a heart attack. After the round when one of the players were asked about their loss and how they handled it, they said it was very difficult. For the rest of the round it was "Hit the ball, drag Harry".

Lighten up.

Please don't weigh your words. This group doesn't decide who get's past the Pearly Gates. We know in our heart who we are as does the people who really know us and our past.

Heheh. Of course you're right. But don't worry about me taking it too seriously. You quoted me too fast. I was in the process of taking out that last sentence...inappropriate at best. Sorry, Sandtrap. [emoji16]

[tomwed]

Heheh. Of course you're right. But don't worry about me taking it too seriously. You quoted me too fast. I was in the process of taking out that last sentence...inappropriate at best. Sorry, Sandtrap. [emoji16]

me too----we must be old souls

[Sweet Caroline]

I just hope that some day I can hit one far enough to reach a window:-) But I keep trying.

[tomwed]

I just hope that some day I can hit one far enough to reach a window:-) But I keep trying.
And that's the truth. Golf is not about golf in the villages. It's about the camaraderie, the jokes, the water birds, the landscape and the walk. Lift, clean and place wherever you want will help you see all that is good about golf in the villages.

[tuccillo]

Hey, it is what it is. If you damage somebody's property and don't take responsibility then you have no honor or integrity. You can try to hide behind the law but you and I both know it is wrong.

I can see how that would be a major factor. :22yikes: Nevertheless...



This is the type of post that brings holier-than-thou to mind...the strong implication that those who would walk on have no honor and integrity. I take great exception to that.

[Polar Bear]

...If you damage somebody's property and don't take responsibility then you have no honor or integrity. You can try to hide behind the law but you and I both know it is wrong.


Wow. I know I first mentioned holier-than-thou, but thanks for clearly defining it and giving such a good example.

Just don't claim to speak for me.

[tomwed]

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[dbussone]

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Morgan and Morgan?

[graciegirl]

I just hope that some day I can hit one far enough to reach a window:-) But I keep trying.


Ah yes, that too.

I think everyone on both sides of this argument are good and honest folks. I think that it is a viewed as a legality. I think most people who live on the golf courses don't have too many broken windows and most people would say, that is alright, I have insurance or just have it fixed. About three years ago I had two windows replaced in the home we were selling in Cincinnati, double paned and they were each about fifty dollars. I was astonished. The man replaced a lot of windows by our builder, as the homes were getting on to twenty years and he would do two or three homes in the same neighborhood on one trip. Most replaced them because they had lost their thermoseal, so it wasn't like having a broken one that needed to be replaced immediately do he could schedule several at a time...

It may cost much more here. And I could be all wet.

I think so much of all of you and I know you are good people. AND I am not holier than anybody.