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rubicon
01-17-2015, 02:47 PM
The United States has been at war with radical Islamist for at least 35 years beginning with with the 11/79 seizure of the US embassy in Tehran yet to this day American does not have a strategy to defeat this growing radicalized threat . Here is what congress should investigate:

1. The current strength and growth rate of radical Islamist around the world

2. the country by country danger.

3. The role of the Muslim Brotherhood.

4. The Arab countries that have successfully contained or minimized radical Islam.

5. The primary sources of radical Islam funding

6. Radicalization in mosques and social media who what and how

7. The Islam cyber threat scale challenge and strategies

8. Congress must hold hearings on how to defeat these threats, etc

Newt Gingrich WSJ 01/15/15

billethkid
01-17-2015, 02:54 PM
The United States has been at war with radical Islamist for at least 35 years beginning with with the 11/79 seizure of the US embassy in Tehran yet to this day American does not have a strategy to defeat this growing radicalized threat . Here is what congress should investigate:

1. The current strength and growth rate of radical Islamist around the world

2. the country by country danger.

3. The role of the Muslim Brotherhood.

4. The Arab countries that have successfully contained or minimized radical Islam.

5. The primary sources of radical Islam funding

6. Radicalization in mosques and social media who what and how

7. The Islam cyber threat scale challenge and strategies

8. Congress must hold hearings on how to defeat these threats, etc

Newt Gingrich WSJ 01/15/15

If we go back not too many months ago during the advent of the beheadings and salughtering by ISIS in Iraq.....our commander in cheif stated we were setting out to decimate and destroy ISIS...we made some bombing runs....then all of a sudden no word on bombings? What is the status of the destruction of ISIS?

Nothing more than a current event political play.

And the reason why none of the above will ever be accomplished?
Requires dedication, commitment, responsibilty, accountability and leadership....the conclusion is obvious.

NotGolfer
01-17-2015, 03:02 PM
They've been wanting to "take over the world" since their inception. Remember what the Crusades were?? They wanted Europe, even, back then. They made it to Spain for sure.

I don't think folks in our country even knows what's happening. It's been said, "if you want to take over a country or government...do it from within!"

karostay
01-17-2015, 03:32 PM
All religions have been killing each other since the beginning of man
Now it's Radical Islam that's happens to be taking center stage

kcrazorbackfan
01-17-2015, 03:57 PM
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. WE ARE NOT LOSING TO ISLAM. We are America. We will not cower down to terrorists and we will not give in to the Islamic radicals. Give up IF YOU WANT TO, there are a millions of us that never will.

gomoho
01-17-2015, 04:07 PM
He doesn't have that fire in his belly to kill them once and for all. Hell, he can't even call them by name.

Tennisnut
01-17-2015, 04:08 PM
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. WE ARE NOT LOSING TO ISLAM. We are America. We will not cower down to terrorists and we will not give in to the Islamic radicals. Give up IF YOU WANT TO, there are a millions of us that never will.

Totally agree! We are not losing. With the the internet and increasing wealth around the world to finance the few thousand nut jobs out of 7 billion, you will have these crisis. With the end of the cold war, you don't have the "assistance" of another world power to keep these nut jobs in line.

Thnonne
01-17-2015, 08:55 PM
I read posts complaining about the Muslims who come to this country and try to change our way of life to fit their beliefs. Yet we believe we have the right to try and force our religions and way of life on them in their countries. We need to get out of their countries completely, politically and militarily, and leave them to their own resources. They are killing each other with their terrorist attacks more than non-muslims. We can not forget what they did on 9/11 and we must retaliate with force if they attack us in any way, but get out of the Muslim nations and let them police their own people.

dbussone
01-17-2015, 09:01 PM
All religions have been killing each other since the beginning of man
Now it's Radical Islam that's happens to be taking center stage


They've been taking center stage since about the 7th century. Read some history books. When they weren't trying to conquer the world, they were killing each other.

rubicon
01-17-2015, 09:14 PM
The sky is not falling but extremist all over the world are gaining momentum and if a strategy is not developed mutually by the free world the jihad movement will continue to grow and the more powerful and the more entrenched they become defeating them will come at more costs of innocent lives. The French learned that lesson in WWII. At least in that war we knew where our enemy likely was and who they were. Its why Newt's suggestions have merit. forewarned is forearmed

Edjkoz
01-17-2015, 09:17 PM
The only reason we would lose to thugs like this is because we still hav a sense of morality, they do not so therefore as a whole, they have nothing to fear from us

kittygilchrist
01-17-2015, 09:32 PM
Not to bore those uninterested with details....
We are witnessing world events line up for the earth's divine checkmate.
You would think it is a big secret, few even have a clue... I cannot say why we are at this point in the USA, but here are links for those wanting to read extensively about the big picture..


http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj10n.pdf
God made a covenant to give Offspring of Isaac rule from jerusalem.
Versus...

Muslims believe the quran promises rule to the offspring of Ishmael.
https://kulna.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/conflicting-narrativesa-comparative-analysis-of-ishmael-in-the-bible-and-quran/

sunnyatlast
01-18-2015, 12:14 AM
All religions have been killing each other since the beginning of man
Now it's Radical Islam that's happens to be taking center stage

Not sure if this is what you're saying, but to me, when people say "they've been doing this to each other for centuries….leave them alone and let them kill each other….we should stay out of it", it's not like it was in the 7th century thru the 1990s. It's different now with internet, email, texting, and social media, and they forced us into it with 911.

Before, they couldn't recruit all over the world via internet, to gain and train recruits to quietly embed themselves all over our country, waiting for the command on the right date and time.

"How ISIS Has Conqured Social Media"
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/digital/2014/06/24/How-has-ISIS-conquered-social-media-.html

MikeV
01-18-2015, 07:41 AM
I agree with those who say to get out of their country and let them kill each other but; once they are done killing off those who disagree with them where do you think they will go next. They are intent on world domination so the west is the final frontier so to speak. That I believe is what we are seeing now. Africa, Europe and North America is in their sights. I also feel once we get rid of the present administration, if America votes "differently", then things may be different than it is now. America gets what it votes for.

Taltarzac725
01-18-2015, 09:05 AM
The United States has been at war with radical Islamist for at least 35 years beginning with with the 11/79 seizure of the US embassy in Tehran yet to this day American does not have a strategy to defeat this growing radicalized threat . Here is what congress should investigate:

1. The current strength and growth rate of radical Islamist around the world

2. the country by country danger.

3. The role of the Muslim Brotherhood.

4. The Arab countries that have successfully contained or minimized radical Islam.

5. The primary sources of radical Islam funding

6. Radicalization in mosques and social media who what and how

7. The Islam cyber threat scale challenge and strategies

8. Congress must hold hearings on how to defeat these threats, etc

Newt Gingrich WSJ 01/15/15

Those are good ideas. I would not say we are losing to radical Islam though. It is very hard to plan against attacks by lone wolves or very small cells which have been sleeping.

Rags123
01-18-2015, 09:56 AM
Those are good ideas. I would not say we are losing to radical Islam though. It is very hard to plan against attacks by lone wolves or very small cells which have been sleeping.

I am not sure I would use the word "losing" in this discussion.


I would however, say we are weakening our selves by not acknowledging a threat among us and not demanding our law be enforced. To be sarcastic about it will never solve anything.

I would also add that the world is so much smaller than it used to be and all the comments about Crusades, etc are simply ludicrous. We lost a lot of american citizens on 9/11....France lost a lot of people and around the world we can go.

This is a result of amazing technological advances and speed of travel. This is not hundreds of years ago, nor 50 years ago, nor 10 years ago.

This threat, despite those who say it is a "sky is falling" attitude, is NEW...not something you can relate to the old world or anything we have ever seen. And making ourselves aware and learning is not a bad thing

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
01-18-2015, 11:03 AM
I'm a big fan of Newt Gingrich. I think that most of what he says makes a lot of sense.

But in this case, I have two questions. One, what's to say that congress is not doing all of these things now? Secondly, if this is so important, why didn't Mr Gingrich direct congress to do this when he was Speaker of the House?

Unfortunately, when politicians retire or are defeated, even the good ones, they have to find some other kind of life.

In the first hundred or so years of this nation most of them went back to their civilian jobs. Newt was a history professor, but I don't see him back in the classroom.

I think that it's pretty easy for people on the outside to come up with a laundry list of things that we should be doing. But like I said, they are not on the inside and don't know if these things are being done or not.

We have to go back and remember what President Bush said when the Global War on Terror was first declared. This will be a war like no other war in history. Things will be happening every day that we will know nothing about but may be crucial to the effort. Every so often we will see the results of some of the work being done but we will not know about the day to day operations.

This is pretty much a clandestine war and the American public, with good reason, are not going to know every little detail of what's happening.

Like I said, I'm a big fan of Newt and supported him when he ran for president. But, even though he might have some inside information, I don't think that he knows everything.

pivo
01-18-2015, 11:05 AM
I can't believe some people don't see their method of conquering us, besides
the killings they are doing all over the world, including us in the U.S.
They are going to swallow us up in population, get control in politics, then get rid of
our school system, churches naturally, and then our freedom.

I posted this before now "demographics of muslims in america"
After reading this with the facts, the history of their, taking control which is happening in just about every country , a poster said what is their to be alarmed about.
No wonder we are sinking,

rubicon
01-18-2015, 12:11 PM
"After more than 13 years of war with thousand of Americans dead, tens of thousands wounded and several trillion dollars spent the US and its allies are losing the war with radical Islamism. The terrorist of Islam State are ravaging Iraq and Syria. Boko Haram is widening its bloody swath through Nigeria. Al Qaeda and its affiliates are killing with impunity in Somalia, Yemen and beyond and the Taliban are resurgent in Afghanistan. "......"The US and its allies must now design a strategy to match a global movement of radical Islamist who sincerely want to destroy Western civilization". Newt Gingrich WSJ 1/15/15.

His 8 point plan addresses both the global strategy and dealing with radicalization and discovering the lone wolf..

And as a side bar let me insert my belief that profiling not only assists in rooting out these cells but it also allows us to educate in these communities make contact with people in the community who share our views, recruit some of them to our cause and infuse the community with the desire to root out these radicals from their communities

And as a side note it really doesn't matter what Gingrich did before or after his political career or whether he is using this issue to restart it. No the pertinent point here is that he has a good plan because he may not be many things but one thing he is is highly intelligent and has offered some of the better solution coming out of Washington

TOTV Team
01-18-2015, 09:28 PM
Thread closed too many political comments.