Ebola Scare

[Tennisnut]

How does everyone feel about the Ebola virus. It seems readily apparent that our governments and health organizations have done a pretty good job of containing the threat. It know it gives me a warm fuzzy about their efforts. PROPER RESPECT!!

[gomoho]

I believe it was contained "in spite" of the government's botched handling of the entire situation. Thank goodness.

[Tennisnut]

I believe it was contained "in spite" of the government's botched handling of the entire situation. Thank goodness.

You mean they were so good, they succeeded in spite of few mistakes?

[billethkid]

all we can really conclude is we have made it through a onsey twosey less than a dozen cases or so.

We still have no idea how well or not prepared we are.

So how ready are we for 50 to a hundred per hospital going in most major cities?
Wher is the follow up? The accountability? Current status? How many hospitals now capable of what?

Like all crises as soon as the spot light is off of it and the media is no longer interested the crises just goes to the last weeks news pile.

And we the people sigh with relief! If it ain't in the news it must be OK!

[LndLocked]

I am amazed that apparently the entire "crisis" vanished on Nov 5th 2014

[janmcn]

I am amazed that apparently the entire "crisis" vanished on Nov 5th 2014


Amazing coincidence wouldn't you say, and the Ebola czar (who everybody despised) was able to retire after only six weeks on the job. All we hear, from the posters who said we'd all be dead by Christmas, is crickets.

[Bogie Shooter]

I thought Fox News solved this............

[Rags123]

I am puzzled and bewildered by this entire thread, and especially the last two or so posts.

What is the intent ? I can only figure out that it might be to mock those who had a fear, OR based on the last post, the entire Ebola somehow became P.....cal ?

I think all are happy that the threat is contained, but the sheer mention of "crickets" and a news network stand out a bit.

I sure hope we do not have such mean spirited posters here, do we ?

[manaboutown]

It seems the disease is alive and well er...still around. The BBC reports the WHO tracks and maps its progress in these areas which fortunately are rather remote. BBC News - Ebola: Mapping the outbreak (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28755033)

The WHO shows the dead currently at something over 8,400 people. Over 21,000 have contracted the disease. WHO reveals these numbers are understated and new outbreaks do occur.

If the outbreaks were in NYC or LA I cringe to consider where things would stand today.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am puzzled and bewildered by this entire thread, and especially the last two or so posts.

What is the intent ? I can only figure out that it might be to mock those who had a fear, OR based on the last post, the entire Ebola somehow became P.....cal ?

I think all are happy that the threat is contained, but the sheer mention of "crickets" and a news network stand out a bit.

I sure hope we do not have such mean spirited posters here, do we ?

It sure did, especially on that network.

[Rags123]

It sure did, especially on that network.

Sure did....mean spirited ? I suppose referring to crickets and a network has something to do with an Ebola scare, but surely not Pol.....al, because that could not happen here.

A fear in the entire country, dominated by all networks and that fear expressed here is terrible. Those folks deserve whatever you can dish out.

[sunnyatlast]

CDC: More Than 1,400 People in U.S. Being Actively Monitored for Ebola

The killer virus Ebola may not be front and center in the news, but it’s still in the forefront of efforts by health officials nationwide. As of today, more than 1,400 people in 44 states in the U.S. are being actively monitored by state and local health departments after returning from West Africa. The good news is that no new cases have been reported in the U.S. since Oct. 23.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, which provided the figure,

“They are being monitored because…….

CDC: More Than 1,400 People in U.S. Being Actively Monitored for Ebola | Sharyl Attkisson (http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-more-than-1400-people-in-u-s-being-actively-monitored-for-ebola/)

[dbussone]

CDC: More Than 1,400 People in U.S. Being Actively Monitored for Ebola



The killer virus Ebola may not be front and center in the news, but it’s still in the forefront of efforts by health officials nationwide. As of today, more than 1,400 people in 44 states in the U.S. are being actively monitored by state and local health departments after returning from West Africa. The good news is that no new cases have been reported in the U.S. since Oct. 23.



According to the Centers for Disease Control, which provided the figure,



“They are being monitored because…….



CDC: More Than 1,400 People in U.S. Being Actively Monitored for Ebola | Sharyl Attkisson (http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-more-than-1400-people-in-u-s-being-actively-monitored-for-ebola/)


Now that's a scary statistic.

[Tennisnut]

CDC: More Than 1,400 People in U.S. Being Actively Monitored for Ebola

The killer virus Ebola may not be front and center in the news, but it’s still in the forefront of efforts by health officials nationwide. As of today, more than 1,400 people in 44 states in the U.S. are being actively monitored by state and local health departments after returning from West Africa. The good news is that no new cases have been reported in the U.S. since Oct. 23.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, which provided the figure,

“They are being monitored because…….

CDC: More Than 1,400 People in U.S. Being Actively Monitored for Ebola | Sharyl Attkisson (http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-more-than-1400-people-in-u-s-being-actively-monitored-for-ebola/)

I am impressed that that they CDC is continuing to take such a conservative approach while also having no active cases since Oct 23. I wonder how many of these 1400 monitored personnel were active in in the response to helping manage the Ebola crisis and are now returning home. PROPER RESPECT to them as well!

[Chi-Town]

We should have a fear forum.

Fear of ebola.
Fear of Muslims.
Fear of race riots.
Fear of government intrusion.
Fear of immigration.
Fear of climate change.

There are enough threads that thrive on the above and more to come for sure.

There seems to be a trend where an OP starts it off with a provocative title and then the feeding frenzy begins. Just look at some recent examples, Ebola Scare...Illegal Aliens...Radical Islam. I am not knocking anything; in fact, there is an entertainment value to all this.

[Tennisnut]

We should have a fear forum.

Fear of ebola.
Fear of Muslims.
Fear of race riots.
Fear of government intrusion.
Fear of immigration.
Fear of climate change.

There are enough threads that thrive on the above and more to come for sure.

There seems to be a trend where an OP starts it off with a provocative title and then the feeding frenzy begins. Just look at some recent examples, Ebola Scare...Illegal Aliens...Radical Islam. I am not knocking anything; in fact, there is an entertainment value to all this.

Good one! That is probably why most of us read this forum and the Daily Sun. On TOTV the world is going to h*** in a hand basket and the Daily Sun -everything is coming up roses.

[sunnyatlast]

We should have a fear forum.

Fear of ebola.
Fear of Muslims.
Fear of race riots.
Fear of government intrusion.
Fear of immigration.
Fear of climate change.

There are enough threads that thrive on the above and more to come for sure.

There seems to be a trend where an OP starts it off with a provocative title and then the feeding frenzy begins. Just look at some recent examples, Ebola Scare...Illegal Aliens...Radical Islam. I am not knocking anything; in fact, there is an entertainment value to all this.

ONE person opined that it was "a scary statistic".

I posted that fact (1400 being monitored) as a fact and did not opine. I thought something could be learned from the report, and from the fact that it's being kept pretty quiet in the news.

We still have individual freedom to say it's "scary", "trivial", "real" or "informative".

Apparently that freedom to have an individual opinion or reaction is scary to some and so, they'd rather have no reporting of the fact at all.

To me, censorship is scary.

[Rags123]

ONE person opined that it was "a scary statistic".

I posted that fact (1400 being monitored) as a fact and did not opine. I thought something could be learned from the report, and from the fact that it's being kept pretty quiet in the news.

We still have individual freedom to say it's "scary", "trivial", "real" or "informative".

Apparently that freedom to have an individual opinion or reaction is scary to some and so, they'd rather have no reporting of the fact at all.

To me, censorship is scary.

Believe me, the "concern" expressed by others "fears" have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with anything but views that have long been expressed by the same posters.

Everything in their world revolves around one thing and can change in the flash of an......er......."el.....n". They never change, they never discuss or supply new facts, they just look for openings to make their p........l point, and to their credit they are consistent and never changing.

Thanks for supplying INFORMATION.....on here that is unique !!!

When I posted about the irrational fears of muslims, I felt bad...I took away a post about "crickets".

[graciegirl]

We should have a fear forum.

Fear of ebola. (Ebola is still a very serious and deadly illness.)Fear of Muslims. (Radical Muslims are not a warm and fuzzy lot)Fear of race riots. (Would you want one in front of your house)Fear of government intrusion. (That is a general political philosophy of conservative folks)Fear of immigration.(Legal would be nice and the first folks I would welcome are the Canadians)Fear of climate change. (That is a scientific observation, and there is no way we can get people to change their ways to stop it.)
There are enough threads that thrive on the above and more to come for sure.

There seems to be a trend where an OP starts it off with a provocative title and then the feeding frenzy begins. Just look at some recent examples, Ebola Scare...Illegal Aliens...Radical Islam. I am not knocking anything; in fact, there is an entertainment value to all this. ENTERTAINMENT VALUE??? Are you really saying that the issues above don't exist???

In Civics class back at old South High School in Columbus, Ohio we were taught the use of listing "glittering generalities" such as those listed above were a poor argument. They do not specify the exact problem and are used to divert attention from the exact problem.

AND It makes it appear that those who are afraid of one are afraid of all which is rarely true.

[graciegirl]

ONE person opined that it was "a scary statistic".

I posted that fact (1400 being monitored) as a fact and did not opine. I thought something could be learned from the report, and from the fact that it's being kept pretty quiet in the news.

We still have individual freedom to say it's "scary", "trivial", "real" or "informative".

Apparently that freedom to have an individual opinion or reaction is scary to some and so, they'd rather have no reporting of the fact at all.

To me, censorship is scary.

I so agree. What we are hearing and not hearing is very creepy indeed.

[Rags123]

ENTERTAINMENT VALUE??? Are you really saying that the issues above don't exist??? [/COLOR]

In Civics class back at old South High School in Columbus, Ohio we were taught the use of listing "glittering generalities" such as those listed above were a poor argument. They do not specify the exact problem and are used to divert attention from the exact problem.

AND It makes it appear that those who are afraid of one are afraid of all which is rarely true.

Gracie...there are posters on here who NEVER....NEVER...EVER actually discuss or supply any new information. They simply post one liners smart "cracks" to manifest their "leanings". They are predictable as the sun coming up and it NEVER varies.

I do not know if they do not read, or simply wait until they are told what is wrong. They will always remark about networks, and frankly, if they discussed it in an intelligent manner, they could have points. Of course we all know that other networks are always level headed, un biased, and not preachy so I can understand (that was sarcasm).

I enjoy discussions with people who do not agree with me and present facts, garnered from reading all sources available, but there is a group who will always simply post the one or two liners to let you know how superior they feel they are.

Of course after a discussion takes place, if not going well they then complain and have it deleted.

I was always of the mind that open discussion was a means to learn. For some open discussion is a threat...thus the little smart remarks.

[gomoho]

After thinking about "the Ebola scare" I believe the main thing that fueled the fear was the lack of trust in our government to a)tell us the truth and b)handle it correctly. We will never know if we got the truth; but it appears in spite of their screw ups things are working out well.

[janmcn]

After thinking about "the Ebola scare" I believe the main thing that fueled the fear was the lack of trust in our government to a)tell us the truth and b)handle it correctly. We will never know if we got the truth; but it appears in spite of their screw ups things are working out well.


What "screw ups" can be blamed on the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta or the National Institute of Health in Bethesda, MD ? It seems that these government institutions cleaned up errors made by the hospital in Dallas and saved lives in the process.

[manaboutown]

After thinking about "the Ebola scare" I believe the main thing that fueled the fear was the lack of trust in our government to a)tell us the truth and b)handle it correctly. We will never know if we got the truth; but it appears in spite of their screw ups things are working out well.

:agree:

[Rags123]

What "screw ups" can be blamed on the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta or the National Institute of Health in Bethesda, MD ? It seems that these government institutions cleaned up errors made by the hospital in Dallas and saved lives in the process.

"A laboratory mistake at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta may have exposed a technician to the deadly Ebola virus, federal officials said on Wednesday. The technician will be monitored for signs of infection for 21 days, the incubation period of the disease."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/health/cdc-ebola-error-in-lab-may-have-exposed-technician-to-virus.html?_r=0

"For weeks, health officials reassured the public about Ebola, saying the nation's health care system would contain the virus.

But now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is admitting that mistakes were made, reports CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann."

Ebola virus response in Dallas had mistakes admits CDC - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-virus-response-in-dallas-had-mistakes-cdc-admits/)

[KayakerNC]

"Ebola (and zombies and crashing meteors) should be the least of your worries this year."

What Are You Afraid Of (http://parade.com/366711/parade/what-are-you-afraid-of/)

[bimmertl]

Worry about the flu, which kills over 5,000 a year in the US and is easily spread, and get over Ebola.

26 children have died from flu as outbreak widens (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/09/flu-deaths-increase/21498903/)

[Rags123]

Worry about the flu, which kills over 5,000 a year in the US and is easily spread, and get over Ebola.

26 children have died from flu as outbreak widens (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/09/flu-deaths-increase/21498903/)

Just a note....this thread, which I suppose was meant to be a bit of mocking at those who have/had a fear of Ebola is basically way off thread.

This is the OP...

"How does everyone feel about the Ebola virus. It seems readily apparent that our governments and health organizations have done a pretty good job of containing the threat. It know it gives me a warm fuzzy about their efforts. PROPER RESPECT!!"

It has, or seems to have, become...a R versus L discussion, which simply confuses me. There are a lot of differences to discuss between those two, but HOW THIS BECAME WHAT IT IS...just escapes me.

Now, it about doing the best to mock anyone who had a fear or has a fear.....I suppose doing that gives warm and fuzzy's to some.


Some make it all about the pol....a. aspect of any subject and this thread certainly fulfills that if that as the motive.

To the OP, I had not seen anyone criticizing the health organizations recently at all. At the time of unknown, there was a lot for sure.

I hope whatever problems there were and there were problems have been resolved and the learning can be applied to any future outbreaks.

[gomoho]

As a side note - the CDC came out immediately and admitted they got the flu vaccine wrong this year and people are being hit hard. The fact they took responsibility and admitted their error is probably why no one is going haywire over this.

[graciegirl]

Worry about the flu, which kills over 5,000 a year in the US and is easily spread, and get over Ebola.

26 children have died from flu as outbreak widens (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/09/flu-deaths-increase/21498903/)

That is because so many people are affected with the flu. The percentage of people affected with the flu who die is very small compared with the percentage of people who die from Ebola .Most sources say 70 to 90 percent.



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

http://www.bing.com/search?q=percentage+of+people+who+die+from+ebola&qs=HS&pq=perc&sc=8-4&sp=1&cvid=f5ed76eff91b435aad2c7bd2050b60e1&FORM=QBLH

[blueash]

Originally Posted by gomoho
After thinking about "the Ebola scare" I believe the main thing that fueled the fear was the lack of trust in our government to a)tell us the truth and b)handle it correctly. We will never know if we got the truth; but it appears in spite of their screw ups things are working out well.

Originally Posted by janmcn
What "screw ups" can be blamed on the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta or the National Institute of Health in Bethesda, MD ? It seems that these government institutions cleaned up errors made by the hospital in Dallas and saved lives in the process.


"A laboratory mistake at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta may have exposed a technician to the deadly Ebola virus, federal officials said on Wednesday. The technician will be monitored for signs of infection for 21 days, the incubation period of the disease."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/health/cdc-ebola-error-in-lab-may-have-exposed-technician-to-virus.html?_r=0

"For weeks, health officials reassured the public about Ebola, saying the nation's health care system would contain the virus.

But now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is admitting that mistakes were made, reports CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann."

Ebola virus response in Dallas had mistakes admits CDC - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-virus-response-in-dallas-had-mistakes-cdc-admits/)

I appreciate the attempt to answer Janmcn's question which was a reply to Gomoho's accusation that the ebola scare was partly because the CDC has screwed up.

Your two citations don't support the position Gomoho took that CDC screw ups produced the Ebola scare. The story of the mishandled lab sample of course occurred well after the scare ended and involved no risk to anyone outside the lab. Your second reference with the title including CDC and mistakes when actually read simply says that the CDC :

"The agency now admits a mistake. Its rapid-response team should have been mobilized to Dallas right away to help train the staff caring for Duncan, something the agency said it will do from now on."

Thus the examples of screw ups by the CDC were
1. A mishandling of a lab sample internally which posed no risk to the public
2. Not sending a rapid response team quickly enough because they thought the local hospital would be able to manage the required isolation

Of course if the CDC is incompetent why would you want their team to come help? In fact the CDC gave advise on the proper handling of patients, the lack of need to isolate non-ill persons, the complete picture of how the disease spreads, when persons become contagious, how to monitor while both protecting the public and not stripping people of their rights.

And the lack of trust in government might have been engendered by people saying completely false things like immigrants and terrorists were being infected with Ebola and sent across our borders to get us.
Ebola fears spark backlash against Latino immigrants - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/politics/ebola-fears-spark-backlash-latinos/)
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-congressman-hamas-might-infected-themselves-with-ebola-a#.xmXbqovmE
» Next Phase of the Ebola Crisis: Terrorism Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/next-phase-of-the-ebola-crisis-terrorism/)

And that Ebola was easy to catch,
Is the Ebola virus 'incredibly contagious' and 'easy to catch,' like Rand Paul says? | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/oct/27/rand-paul/ebola-virus-incredibly-contagious-and-easy-catch-r/)

So perhaps there were some who felt that making it appear that the CDC and the government in general is incompetent was all part of a political philosophy to create and benefit from the Ebola scare. And those who still feel that we only escaped a massive epidemic because we got lucky or "in spite" of the CDC and our response are unaware of how the CDC got it right, nearly completely right.

[Rags123]

I appreciate the attempt to answer Janmcn's question which was a reply to Gomoho's accusation that the ebola scare was partly because the CDC has screwed up.

Your two citations don't support the position Gomoho took that CDC screw ups produced the Ebola scare. The story of the mishandled lab sample of course occurred well after the scare ended and involved no risk to anyone outside the lab. Your second reference with the title including CDC and mistakes when actually read simply says that the CDC :

"The agency now admits a mistake. Its rapid-response team should have been mobilized to Dallas right away to help train the staff caring for Duncan, something the agency said it will do from now on."

Thus the examples of screw ups by the CDC were
1. A mishandling of a lab sample internally which posed no risk to the public
2. Not sending a rapid response team quickly enough because they thought the local hospital would be able to manage the required isolation

Of course if the CDC is incompetent why would you want their team to come help? In fact the CDC gave advise on the proper handling of patients, the lack of need to isolate non-ill persons, the complete picture of how the disease spreads, when persons become contagious, how to monitor while both protecting the public and not stripping people of their rights.

And the lack of trust in government might have been engendered by people saying completely false things like immigrants and terrorists were being infected with Ebola and sent across our borders to get us.
Ebola fears spark backlash against Latino immigrants - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/politics/ebola-fears-spark-backlash-latinos/)
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-congressman-hamas-might-infected-themselves-with-ebola-a#.xmXbqovmE
» Next Phase of the Ebola Crisis: Terrorism Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/next-phase-of-the-ebola-crisis-terrorism/)

And that Ebola was easy to catch,
Is the Ebola virus 'incredibly contagious' and 'easy to catch,' like Rand Paul says? | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/oct/27/rand-paul/ebola-virus-incredibly-contagious-and-easy-catch-r/)

So perhaps there were some who felt that making it appear that the CDC and the government in general is incompetent was all part of a political philosophy to create and benefit from the Ebola scare. And those who still feel that we only escaped a massive epidemic because we got lucky or "in spite" of the CDC and our response are unaware of how the CDC got it right, nearly completely right.

The thread was about how good the CDC and others did......that was the thread. Nobody started a thread to demean the CDC or anyone.

My post that you are responding to was simply two links that fly in the face of the post asking for examples of CDC errors and nothing more than that.

Most of the thread was to mock anyone who had fear of the Ebola scare.

You and others sure are attempting to make this something is certainly isnt, although I cannot read the OP.s mind...obviously that is a skill you have mastered. My posts were to simply respond to posts that had NOTHING to do with the OP and to divert it from po.....cal discussion which so many seemed to want it to become.

I am not sure if those being mocked and made fun of for being afraid were all right or left and not sure how this becomes po.....al.

Gomoho's post was stating the obvious about the miscommunications at the beginnings and he ended up complimenting them so not sure what the lecture is all about.

SIMPLY SAID....GOMOHO never said what you claim he said. He did not say "CDC screw ups produced the Ebola scare" He actually simply referred to the "government" and the distrust which existed. So you have put words in his mouth that were never ever posted here.

Secondly.....I simply replied with no comment to JANMCN who asked this question..."What "screw ups" can be blamed on the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta or the National Institute of Health in Bethesda, MD ? It seems that these government institutions cleaned up errors made by the hospital in Dallas and saved lives in the process." I responded by linking TWO articles cited showing errors.

Pretty simple stuff to me but then again.....

[sunnyatlast]

It's not all cut and dried and put away. And the "fears" which were actually ALERTS that should have formed a desire for PREPAREDNESS were not unfounded!

NPR - Jan. 15, 2015
Prediction: All Predictions About Ebola Are Unpredictable

"…….Early on officials at the World Health Organization predicted that Ebola would be contained at only a few hundred cases. A few months later the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was predicting up to 1.4 million cases by January 20, 2015 in Sierra Leone and Liberia alone. That calculation turned out to be wildly inflated. As of this week, WHO has counted roughly 21,000 cases.

It wasn't just the CDC that got it wrong. Back in August, before the outbreak really began to pick up steam, the chief scientist at Britain's Department for International Development said the worst of the crisis appeared to have passed in Guinea. After his declaration, the incidence of Ebola in Guinea would increase nearly fivefold from roughly 30 cases a week in early August to more than 150 cases a week in early December.

Researchers have also had a hard time guessing where the virus will pop up next……"

Prediction: All Predictions About Ebola Are Unpredictable : Goats and Soda : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2015/01/15/377235139/prediction-all-predictions-about-ebola-are-unpredictable)

…..

[dbussone]

Now that's a scary statistic.


I stick by my comment above. The fact that our friends in ATL and DC are not forthcoming with Ebola case Statistics is a serious concern. This lack of transparency could kill people. In all my years in healthcare I've always been kept informed about infectious diseases. In fact, the CDC could be counted on to keep us up to date without a request on our part. No more, and the media does not probe for information as they used to.