Will this effect nominations/elections....

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"According to John Heilemann and Mark Halperin’s 2010 book “Game Change: Obama and the Clintons, McCain and Palin, and the Race of a Lifetime,” Hillary told Obama that she was most worried about the damage Bill could do."

....."“I remember asking Jeffrey, ‘What’s Bill Clinton doing here?’ ” Roberts said in 2011. The former president, she added, was accompanied by four young girls during his stay — two of whom were among Epstein’s regular sex partners. “And [Jeffrey] laughed it off and said, ‘Well, he owes me a favor.’ He never told me what favors they were.”
Clinton also spent years traveling and partying with Ron Burkle, a billionaire bachelor with a penchant for very young girls. Clinton spent so much time on Burkle’s private plane that it came to be known in Burkle’s circle as “Air F—k One.”
And that is to say nothing of Bill’s solicitation of mystery donors, the concerns about financial malfeasance at the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, Bill’s racially charged verbal gaffes during Hillary’s 2008 bid and the alleged longtime, serious mistress that diverted Hillary’s presidential campaign from larger problems."

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"But when you’re running for office as the first female president of the United States — who, by the way, has spent her entire life advocating for women’s and children’s rights — and your husband has spent years consorting with at least one known pedophile who ensnared girls as young as 14 into his private sex ring, it’s a potentially insurmountable liability.
As it is, Bill supposedly was the reason Hillary initially declined then-President-elect Obama’s offer to be secretary of state.

I think everyone has heard about Mr Epsteins romps and procurement deals for young gals.....

"Flight logs show that Bill Clinton would later fly Epstein’s private plane at least 11 times — several with Maxwell on board, and at least once with a soft-core porn star. Roberts has also said that Clinton visited Epstein’s private island, dubbed “Orgy Island,” several times. Court documents show that Epstein had 21 private e-mail addresses and phone numbers for Clinton and an aide."

No problem you think ???

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Significant, in that article.....said on Meet The Press, but not oft reported...

"Hillary took another hit when Claire McCaskill, the prominent Democratic senator from Missouri, weighed in on Bill's reputation."he’s been a great leader,” McCaskill said, “but I don’t want my daughter near him.”

I bring this up, not just because of the article today, but I noticed someone taking shots at Jeb Bush's family, their heritage, etc., thus.....

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2016 polls show Clinton leads in key states, GOP field wide open | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/2016-polls-show-clinton-leads-key-states-gop-field-wide-open?cid=sm_tw_msnbc)


Could this poll just released today be the reason for the mudslinging of the Clintons? This is old news, book released five years ago. Why are we even having an election in 2016, just so the Koch brothers can waste another billion dollars (chump change to them)?

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Bill Clinton’s libido threatens to derail Hillary — again | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/)

Sorry I did not supply a link for this thread and my subsequent post...from today's paper

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2016 polls show Clinton leads in key states, GOP field wide open | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/2016-polls-show-clinton-leads-key-states-gop-field-wide-open?cid=sm_tw_msnbc)


Could this poll just released today be the reason for the mudslinging of the Clintons? This is old news, book released five years ago. Why are we even having an election in 2016, just so the Koch brothers can waste another billion dollars (chump change to them)?


Despite....no mudslinging..all a matter of record, and simply asking if it might effect the election at all.

Some think the ethnicity of Jeb Bush wife and family is important based on other posts, so.......

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Significant, in that article.....said on Meet The Press, but not oft reported...

"Hillary took another hit when Claire McCaskill, the prominent Democratic senator from Missouri, weighed in on Bill's reputation."he’s been a great leader,” McCaskill said, “but I don’t want my daughter near him.”

I bring this up, not just because of the article today, but I noticed someone taking shots at Jeb Bush's family, their heritage, etc., thus.....





The only shots being taken at Jeb's family has to do with all the wars his brother started.

Jeb will have to answer for that - saying he doesn't want to talk about the past won't cut it.

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The only shots being taken at Jeb's family has to do with all the wars his brother started.

Jeb will have to answer for that - saying he doesn't want to talk about the past won't cut it.

POST #10 from the thread DREAM 201 TICKET.....

"So it's doubtful that you will vote for Jeb Bush and his Mexican wife and half-Mexican children to occupy the White House? Just wondering?"

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2016 polls show Clinton leads in key states, GOP field wide open | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/2016-polls-show-clinton-leads-key-states-gop-field-wide-open?cid=sm_tw_msnbc)


Could this poll just released today be the reason for the mudslinging of the Clintons? This is old news, book released five years ago. Why are we even having an election in 2016, just so the Koch brothers can waste another billion dollars (chump change to them)?


I would really like this thread to stay on trac and get opinions as to if this is an issue or not for the nomination or the election.

I will be glad to being another thread on the Kock brothers to make you happy.

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Unfortunately, I don't think the followers/supporters of the Clintons, much like the Clintons themselves, have much of a moral compass, so my short answer would be "no, it won't effect the nominations/elections". And then, only time will tell how the masses will follow in their approval or disapproval. IMHO, character matters........unfortunately, I'm not so sure I am in the majority with that opinion anymore.

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A non-issue. Except, of course, to the hard right "family values" trumps everything crowd.

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Two things Clinton based will dampen voters apetite for her.

One of course is their past....his sexual romps and her past as Secretary of State....her ranting during the Benghazi incestigation and losing control while spouting those famous totally insensitive telling comments....WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE.

What will it take to convince some that not being qualified for the job does in fact have something to do with who is the candidate.

What is sort of disarming is the dialogue that spins around she is the most likely to be able to win. Really? Regardless of her past lack of performance representing the USA on the world stage? Regardless she is not qualified to be POTUS.....and that SHOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I still say those dems who fell for the promises and all the talk with no action....added to the just terrible way the USA has been represented and or defended in the rest of the world.....will have an affect on whether Clinton or another dem can win.

Clinton just will not bring around any more change in how we do business in Washington or the rest of the world. She is and has been a part of the crumudgeon system and has no clue how to conduct business any other way.

If we are going to error on the side of inexperience how about somebody younger (yes I said YOUNGER with specific intent) who is not a product of the current system.

For either party are we not weary of more of the same all these years? I am.
I want a ballsy/gutsy POTUS who does in fact do exactly what he has sworn to do. One who will restore America back to the status of greatness of the past. Back to leading the world technologically, militarily here on earth and outer space.

Show me the candidate who has the capability to get at that job and that is who I would vote for........it certainly is not the people being fawned over as the Dream Team.....not unless one is satisfied with more of the same!!!

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A non-issue. Except, of course, to the hard right "family values" trumps everything crowd.

True! Family values espoused by folks like Newt Gingerich, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and on and on.

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True! Family values espoused by folks like Newt Gingerich, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and on and on.

Not sure if any of those were close associates of pedophiles, were they ? Or traveled to sites now known for sex orgies with those under age ?

Not sure, may have missed that.

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More from the last 24 hours.....Maureen Dowd this time...

"But, for now, what Republicans say about government is true of the Clintons: They really do believe that your money belongs to them."

"I’LL pay for this column.

The Rottweilers will be unleashed.

Once the Clintons had a War Room. Now they have a Slime Room.

Once they had the sly James Carville, fondly known as “serpenthead.” Now they have the slippery David Brock, accurately known as a snake.

Brock fits into the Clinton tradition of opportunistic knife-fighters like Dick Morris and Mark Penn.

The silver-haired 52-year-old, who sports colorful designer suits and once wore a monocle, brawled his way into a Times article about the uneasy marriage between Hillary Clinton’s veteran attack dogs and the group of advisers who are moving over from Obamaland.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/opinion/sunday/maureen-dowd-call-off-the-dogs.html?_r=0

Interesting piece. If you have an interest in politics, it is a good read

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More from the last 24 hours.....Maureen Dowd this time...

"But, for now, what Republicans say about government is true of the Clintons: They really do believe that your money belongs to them."

"I’LL pay for this column.

The Rottweilers will be unleashed.

Once the Clintons had a War Room. Now they have a Slime Room.

Once they had the sly James Carville, fondly known as “serpenthead.” Now they have the slippery David Brock, accurately known as a snake.

Brock fits into the Clinton tradition of opportunistic knife-fighters like Dick Morris and Mark Penn.

The silver-haired 52-year-old, who sports colorful designer suits and once wore a monocle, brawled his way into a Times article about the uneasy marriage between Hillary Clinton’s veteran attack dogs and the group of advisers who are moving over from Obamaland.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/opinion/sunday/maureen-dowd-call-off-the-dogs.html?_r=0

Interesting piece. If you have an interest in politics, it is a good read

Maureen Dowd has been running this same column since 1998, and David Brock left the Clinton campaign last week. Old news.

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Maureen Dowd has been running this same column since 1998, and David Brock left the Clinton campaign last week. Old news.

Is one week the limit ? Then all is forgiven ? Never saw that rule but thanks.

HOWEVER, you might mention to the Clintons AND the NYTimes, that the article that has been running since 1998 has a lot of current stuff in it...how did that happen ?

[B]"With the understood blessing of the Clintons, Brock runs a $28 million cluster of media monitoring groups and oppo research organizations that are vehicles to rebut and at times discredit and threaten anyone who casts a gimlet eye at Clinton Inc.

As Confessore and Chozick wrote, he uses a fund-raiser named Mary Pat Bonner, whose firm has collected millions of dollars in commissions — a practice many fund-raising experts consider unethical.

Everyone wants to be at the trough for this one because Hillary is likely to raise, and more important, spend more than $1 billion on her campaign.

"The Clinton crowd is trying to woo Brock back into the fold because he’s good at getting money and knows how their enemies think. The Clintons appreciate the fact that Brock, like Morris, is a take-no-prisoners type with the ethical compass of a jackal. Baked in the tactics of the right, Brock will never believe that negative coverage results from legitimate shortcomings. Instead, it’s all personal, all false, and all a war."

Go figure how she knew this in 2008 that he would leave and they would be after him this very week.

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Not only were there questions concerning Bill Hillary and Chelsea Foundations authorities wondering where all the millions went for the Haitian Foundations to rebuild people's lives following the heavy hit they took from a hurricane Millions have gone missing.

All of the preceding may not matter because the people that follow the Clintons made it clear when he lied under oath "I did not have sex with..... that character didn't matter. The fact is that the liberal media will come to her aid. They will clean her and her family up They will portray her as a woman so strong she has managed to keep her family together despite the bill's many indiscretions In fact Bill will feign a turn my life around awakening

The short answer is the liberal media know that most voters don't read more than tag lines and so thy will be an easy sell.

Unless the Republicans nominate a truly qualified candidate, and I unfortunately see none at this time, Hillary will walk away with the job and America will continue its steady decline because she is no more qualified than Obama

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The only shots being taken at Jeb's family has to do with all the wars his brother started.

Jeb will have to answer for that - saying he doesn't want to talk about the past won't cut it.

Nor does he want to talk about the biggest recession since the great depression, which started under his brother's watchful eye. Jeb must have been in a coma from 2000 to 2008.

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Two things Clinton based will dampen voters apetite for her.

One of course is their past....his sexual romps and her past as Secretary of State....her ranting during the Benghazi incestigation and losing control while spouting those famous totally insensitive telling comments....WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE.

What will it take to convince some that not being qualified for the job does in fact have something to do with who is the candidate.

What is sort of disarming is the dialogue that spins around she is the most likely to be able to win. Really? Regardless of her past lack of performance representing the USA on the world stage? Regardless she is not qualified to be POTUS.....and that SHOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I still say those dems who fell for the promises and all the talk with no action....added to the just terrible way the USA has been represented and or defended in the rest of the world.....will have an affect on whether Clinton or another dem can win.

Clinton just will not bring around any more change in how we do business in Washington or the rest of the world. She is and has been a part of the crumudgeon system and has no clue how to conduct business any other way.

If we are going to error on the side of inexperience how about somebody younger (yes I said YOUNGER with specific intent) who is not a product of the current system.

For either party are we not weary of more of the same all these years? I am.
I want a ballsy/gutsy POTUS who does in fact do exactly what he has sworn to do. One who will restore America back to the status of greatness of the past. Back to leading the world technologically, militarily here on earth and outer space.

Show me the candidate who has the capability to get at that job and that is who I would vote for........it certainly is not the people being fawned over as the Dream Team.....not unless one is satisfied with more of the same!!!

Not too sexist to say "I want a ballsy/gutsy POTUS who does in fact do what HE has sworn to do".

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Not too sexist to say "I want a ballsy/gutsy POTUS who does in fact do what HE has sworn to do".

Sexist and insulting to 53% of the population.

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Ballsy is an adjective that can be used as gender neutral. I knew I should have used a parenthetical qualifier.

Sorry to disappoint those with the sexist/race magnifying glasses....neither are my intent. You will easily know when I do.

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Ballsy is by far gender "neutral". Last time I checked women don't have a pair...

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Ballsy is by far gender "neutral". Last time I checked women don't have a pair...

How did you get the name posted and not guest?

Anyway....the way I used it and the I intended it was not as an anatomical reference....as in one who may or may not have a pair.

BUT as I stated above to reflect a mode of action as in describing the action taken as ballsy.....

Mode of action or behavior NOT anatomical.

Feel free to stop "checking":D

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I think when I post on here my name shows up because they don't have the android app figured out!! I don't own a computer, only a phone...

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Geeezz.......some people on here need to check a dictionary once in awhile before attacking others -

Ballsy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ballsy)

Notice that even the example given in a sentence uses the female gender!

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Significant, in that article.....said on Meet The Press, but not oft reported...

"Hillary took another hit when Claire McCaskill, the prominent Democratic senator from Missouri, weighed in on Bill's reputation."he’s been a great leader,” McCaskill said, “but I don’t want my daughter near him.”

I bring this up, not just because of the article today, but I noticed someone taking shots at Jeb Bush's family, their heritage, etc., thus.....

Actually McCaskill is right. What's truly amazing to behold is ... we have a lot of Clinton droids who love the guy and would reelect him again if they could ... BUT, most of them would also never let their daughters near the "lovable lug"

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A non-issue. Except, of course, to the hard right "family values" trumps everything crowd.

You mean as opposed to the liberal left "anything goes?" crowd?

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Geeezz.......some people on here need to check a dictionary once in awhile before attacking others -

Ballsy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ballsy)

Notice that even the example given in a sentence uses the female gender!

OK...that updates me on current affairs !!

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Actually McCaskill is right. What's truly amazing to behold is ... we have a lot of Clinton droids who love the guy and would reelect him again if they could ... BUT, most of them would also never let their daughters near the "lovable lug"

If you were reading a novel, and in it the President of the United States was receiving oral sex in the oval office......what might you think ?

Certainly not a "lovable lug"

He did not do this in a hotel, on a plane, in a car, in any bedroom. He did it in the oval office...our very own office, ie. the office of the people.

What he did with the cigar is up to your imagination...IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

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This is how I remember President Clinton

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/

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This is how I remember President Clinton

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/

Much of that is legit......to what end you post it, I do not know.

1. About the source..."the Center presents a liberal[3] viewpoint on economic issues. It has its headquarters in Washington, D.C.[4]"

The President of the source was an employee of BOTH Bill and Hilary.

2. I see no mention of NAFTA ?????

And finally, this thread is about the moral character of Bill Clinton and how it may affect any run by Hillary. It revolves around the NEW news of his close association with a pedophile.

It seems that diversion is just about the only response you are capable of...a shame

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This is how I remember President Clinton

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/

Ah yes, those were the days.

Here's an image I particularly recall ...

clinton and wagging finger - Bing Images (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=clinton+and+wagging+finger&qpvt=clinton+and+wagging+finger&qpvt=clinton+and+wagging+finger&FORM=IGRE)