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Guest
02-19-2015, 11:03 AM
I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.
Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?
Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.
Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?
Guest
02-19-2015, 12:17 PM
I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.
Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?
Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.
Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?
This is the sick perverted viewpoint of your beloved Tea Party. Btw, Jesus is the most liberal of us all. God help us.
Guest
02-19-2015, 12:33 PM
Btw, Jesus is the most liberal of us all. God help us.
Well then Jesus is down to only a handful of countries (North Korea, Cuba…)
Guest
02-19-2015, 01:00 PM
I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.
Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?
Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.
Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?
Actually this succinct analysis is pretty much spot on ... two aspects you didn't include are 1) the need to criticize and typically trash the Country they were lucky enough to be born in (ie USA) and 2) the seeming suicidal impulses (ultimately) by failing to recognize what can only be described as obvious threats to the collective security of us all ... ie Radical Islam. Many liberals dare not speak it's name ... truly insane.
Guest
02-19-2015, 02:36 PM
Actually this succinct analysis is pretty much spot on ... two aspects you didn't include are 1) the need to criticize and typically trash the Country they were lucky enough to be born in (ie USA) and 2) the seeming suicidal impulses (ultimately) by failing to recognize what can only be described as obvious threats to the collective security of us all ... ie Radical Islam. Many liberals dare not speak it's name ... truly insane.
Excellent additions!
Nearly spit out my coffee reading how the community organizer thinks radical Islamic terrorists behead and savagely kill because of poor job opportunities and lack of capitol to start a business. :mornincoffee:
He's got to be mentally ill. And how about ole "foot in mouth Joe" feeling up the new defense secretary's wife! :eek: CREEPY!
Guest
02-19-2015, 02:39 PM
I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.
Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?
Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.
Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?
Evidently someone finally finished reading their Michael Savage book.
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Guest
02-19-2015, 04:38 PM
I do not find liberalism to be a mental disorder at all.
I would perhaps agree if it said....radical liberalism as preached from the WH. Remember this President was only in the senate a very very short time and was chosed the most liberal senator in years.
It is radical.....those liberals who used to meet conservatives at the middle or slightly to one side or another are not in charge.
Guest
02-19-2015, 04:56 PM
Some consider liberalism to be a moral imperative: "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, so you do unto me."
Guest
02-19-2015, 05:39 PM
Some consider liberalism to be a moral imperative: "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, so you do unto me."
Your moral imperative translated into liberal reality: under threat of imprisonment, confiscate from the hard-working in order to redistribute to the lazy.
Guest
02-19-2015, 05:41 PM
I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.
Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?
Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.
Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?
Herein lies the problem with our current political climate. Assuming this person is serious and not just a troll, he/she shows absolutely no respect for or understanding of, the other side. He/she will probably answer that that is because they deserve no respect, which is ridiculous. The truth is many if not most liberals and moderates don't expect a handout from anyone, while many so-called conservatives take advantage of every handout available. Warren Buffet is considered a left leaning moderate and is not exactly looking to get ADA or food stamps. Most liberals are people who don't think they have all the answers, but realize that some people are not able for whatever reason, to make it, at least temporarily, without help. They generally realize that there are a small percentage who game the system at BOTH ends of the economic scale, but that doesn't mean that the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater. They generally think that abortion is abhorrent, but that they should not make that decision for everyone else. They generally believe that gun ownership should be protected, but that they should not be available through shows and individuals without background checks, and that open carry should be regulated. Most are not gay, and would prefer their family members were not, but accept that some people are gay, and deserve to live their lives without harassment or interference. Many are successful and pay lots of taxes, but understand that is the price they pay to have the kinds of infrastructure and services we have in this country. Some liberals are mentally ill as are some conservatives, but to think that liberalism is a mental illness is so offensive and so arrogantly ignorant that I find it hard to believe that it was not posted by a troll.
Guest
02-19-2015, 05:53 PM
I don't think conservatives are necessarily mentaally ill, but I think they are often narrow-minded, prone to prejudice, selfish, and mean-spirited. :grumpy:Ì
Guest
02-19-2015, 05:54 PM
Herein lies the problem with our current political climate. Assuming this person is serious and not just a troll, he/she shows absolutely no respect for or understanding of, the other side. He/she will probably answer that that is because they deserve no respect, which is ridiculous. The truth is many if not most liberals and moderates don't expect a handout from anyone, while many so-called conservatives take advantage of every handout available. Warren Buffet is considered a left leaning moderate and is not exactly looking to get ADA or food stamps. Most liberals are people who don't think they have all the answers, but realize that some people are not able for whatever reason, to make it, at least temporarily, without help. They generally realize that there are a small percentage who game the system at BOTH ends of the economic scale, but that doesn't mean that the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater. They generally think that abortion is abhorrent, but that they should not make that decision for everyone else. They generally believe that gun ownership should be protected, but that they should not be available through shows and individuals without background checks, and that open carry should be regulated. Most are not gay, and would prefer their family members were not, but accept that some people are gay, and deserve to live their lives without harassment or interference. Many are successful and pay lots of taxes, but understand that is the price they pay to have the kinds of infrastructure and services we have in this country. Some liberals are mentally ill as are some conservatives, but to think that liberalism is a mental illness is so offensive and so arrogantly ignorant that I find it hard to believe that it was not posted by a troll.
While much of what you say I can agree with, when you make such generalizations, you step out the line in my opinion.
People are people. My problem is, first of all, on this TOTV board, the liberal folks just slam at people on a personal level and respect nobody. They think that any criticism of the President, the most criticized position in the world no matter who is in that chair, is some sort of personal racist rant. They appear, and I know it is not true of all liberals on TOTV, but those that post do not seem to know anything about what is going on and are in the automatic mode of name calling no matter what.
Outside of TOTV, there are a lot of great liberals, equal to the great conservatives. Right now, on both sides there is much too much of the radical. The President is and always has been radical and I think he is proud of that. Our country is NOT radical to either side thus our divide.
I think such general comments such as you make are not fair to anyone. I am a conservative Republican and care about other people...am not a racist in anyway...am not selfish. I think that applies to most conservatives and liberals.
TOTV, at least those that post will never support intelligent and open political debate or conversation on issues until those who are posting now with the small uninformed glib comments are either thrown off the board or somehow find the light to get enlightened...NOT CHANGE PARTIES....NOT EVEN CHANGE HOW THEY FEEL, but stop the constant and ongoind personal slams,the constant referall to polls and the like. If they would simply read and find where there is agreement or disagreement and post that it would be great, but this constant school yard crap is just old...real old.
Guest
02-19-2015, 05:54 PM
Evidently, the OP spends a lot of time on Topix.
Guest
02-19-2015, 06:02 PM
Actually this succinct analysis is pretty much spot on ... two aspects you didn't include are 1) the need to criticize and typically trash the Country they were lucky enough to be born in (ie USA) and 2) the seeming suicidal impulses (ultimately) by failing to recognize what can only be described as obvious threats to the collective security of us all ... ie Radical Islam. Many liberals dare not speak it's name ... truly insane.
It must be nice to go through life so blissfully oblivious. Most liberals are very proud Americans and many have served their country with honor, unlike Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump and on and on. They usually realize that America is not perfect and that other countries have found there are better ways of doing some things, although the USA is still the best overall. They also aren't so stupid as to lump all members of a legitimate religion into a group with the most radical handful of that group.
Guest
02-19-2015, 06:15 PM
I don't think conservatives are necessarily mentaally ill, but I think they are often narrow-minded, prone to prejudice, selfish, and mean-spirited. :grumpy:Ì
While much of what you say I can agree with, when you make such generalizations, you step out the line in my opinion.
People are people. My problem is, first of all, on this TOTV board, the liberal folks just slam at people on a personal level and respect nobody. They think that any criticism of the President, the most criticized position in the world no matter who is in that chair, is some sort of personal racist rant. They appear, and I know it is not true of all liberals on TOTV, but those that post do not seem to know anything about what is going on and are in the automatic mode of name calling no matter what.
Outside of TOTV, there are a lot of great liberals, equal to the great conservatives. Right now, on both sides there is much too much of the radical. The President is and always has been radical and I think he is proud of that. Our country is NOT radical to either side thus our divide.
I think such general comments such as you make are not fair to anyone. I am a conservative Republican and care about other people...am not a racist in anyway...am not selfish. I think that applies to most conservatives and liberals.
TOTV, at least those that post will never support intelligent and open political debate or conversation on issues until those who are posting now with the small uninformed glib comments are either thrown off the board or somehow find the light to get enlightened...NOT CHANGE PARTIES....NOT EVEN CHANGE HOW THEY FEEL, but stop the constant and ongoind personal slams,the constant referall to polls and the like. If they would simply read and find where there is agreement or disagreement and post that it would be great, but this constant school yard crap is just old...real old.
You didn't quote my post, but it seemed like you were responding to it in the bolder statement. Did you notice that I said conservatives are OFTEN......::. If that does not represent your positions, then you would be one of the ones that are not.
Guest
02-19-2015, 06:58 PM
Evidently, the OP spends a lot of time on Topix.
First of all, let me be clear. I posted on TOPIX a few months ago when there were folks after one of the regular TOTV posters....that was the only time
Do I read there....sometimes, mostly based on calls from friends of mine up north who read it for enjoyment. They enjoy reading and then trashing me about the folks who live in The Villages. They think, as I do, that it is funny.
Problem I always have had with that garbage dump is that you, and probably...not probably, for sure also post there. They have said some disgusting things, and I posted earlier about the liberals on TOTV, not all liberals...Almost all of the trash posts on TOPIX are from liberal posters on this board. I KNOW who some are but not all.
That is my exposure to TOPIX. It is like watching a car crash and I am usually motivated to to there when I get an email or phone call from a buddy up north. He thinks the names used and the language to be quite unusual.
Thats it......and thanks for validating my earlier comments
PS....And I am NOT THE OP ON THIS THREAD !!!! But I have an inkling who you are....is it not amazing how we all have our own little mannerisms in posting so I need to make that clear to you.
Guest
02-19-2015, 07:00 PM
It must be nice to go through life so blissfully oblivious. Most liberals are very proud Americans and many have served their country with honor, unlike Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump and on and on. They usually realize that America is not perfect and that other countries have found there are better ways of doing some things, although the USA is still the best overall. They also aren't so stupid as to lump all members of a legitimate religion into a group with the most radical handful of that group.
And whomever posted this plays right into the hand of the pre conceived notion of that portion of TOTV that ascribes to liberalism. If only the time and effort used to demean people would be used to discuss actual issues facing this country .
Guest
02-19-2015, 07:05 PM
You didn't quote my post, but it seemed like you were responding to it in the bolder statement. Did you notice that I said conservatives are OFTEN......::. If that does not represent your positions, then you would be one of the ones that are not.
If you will agree that radical on both sides of the aisle are wrong then we are good. Most on here will not agree with that. If you criticize the President, you are a right wing nut job..simple as that or maybe add racist.
And I realize that there are some who think all liberals just want to spend all the money, etc, etc etc.
I rebuke both of those, and my problem at present is the liberals that post on here, not in general.....heck, my liberal friends find this place quite amusing :) because I have read posts from some on here along with the post to which they are responding. That is my way of getting them back for their verbal abuse:)
Guest
02-19-2015, 07:16 PM
I don't think conservatives are necessarily mentaally ill, but I think they are often narrow-minded, prone to prejudice, selfish, and mean-spirited. :grumpy:Ì
Yowza!
Are you lashing out at any post in particular, or just venting pent up nonsense?
Guest
02-19-2015, 07:21 PM
I don't think conservatives are necessarily mentaally ill, but I think they are often narrow-minded, prone to prejudice, selfish, and mean-spirited. :grumpy:Ì
Amusing ... right out of Liberal Indoctrination 101 ... keep it up
Guest
02-19-2015, 08:45 PM
Yowza!
Are you lashing out at any post in particular, or just venting pent up nonsense?
If you will agree that radical on both sides of the aisle are wrong then we are good. Most on here will not agree with that. If you criticize the President, you are a right wing nut job..simple as that or maybe add racist.
And I realize that there are some who think all liberals just want to spend all the money, etc, etc etc.
I rebuke both of those, and my problem at present is the liberals that post on here, not in general.....heck, my liberal friends find this place quite amusing :) because I have read posts from some on here along with the post to which they are responding. That is my way of getting them back for their verbal abuse:)
I, personally, agree wholeheartedly that the radicals, or extremes at both ends of the political spectrum are often wrong, misguided, and unreasonable. I am no more a fan of Sharpton than I am of Coulter. I often disagree with the President, but do not think it is reasonable to imply that, as the result of that disagreement, he must be Un-American, or somehow illegitimate. I did not vote for McCain or Romney, but considered voting for each and thought they could potentially have made good chief executives. (McCains choice of running mate made it impossible for me to cast a vote for him). The vitriol toward the president, and liberals in general is what, in my opinion, triggers the seeming off-topic hit and run posts we see, as a way of retaliating. The very topic of this thread is so misguided and obnoxious that it hardly deserves a reasoned response.
Guest
02-19-2015, 09:08 PM
Well said
Guest
02-19-2015, 09:15 PM
I, personally, agree wholeheartedly that the radicals, or extremes at both ends of the political spectrum are often wrong, misguided, and unreasonable. I am no more a fan of Sharpton than I am of Coulter. I often disagree with the President, but do not think it is reasonable to imply that, as the result of that disagreement, he must be Un-American, or somehow illegitimate. I did not vote for McCain or Romney, but considered voting for each and thought they could potentially have made good chief executives. (McCains choice of running mate made it impossible for me to cast a vote for him). The vitriol toward the president, and liberals in general is what, in my opinion, triggers the seeming off-topic hit and run posts we see, as a way of retaliating. The very topic of this thread is so misguided and obnoxious that it hardly deserves a reasoned response.
I agree with much of what you say, and especially on the title of this thread.
I think this country is scared. Afraid. I, myself have absolutely no problem with someone disagreeing with me on anything. THAT is what keeps us young and learning.
I have passed accolades to the President many times and even on this new forum, have given him credit for the economic crisis fix.
But I ask that you read the serious threads on serious subjects....and I have started a few of them. YES, they start often with criticism of our policy as I see it. Topics such as fear of Iran throughout the world, a thread on the KOCH brothers brought on because I was tired of hearing little barbs all the time and thought is should be discussed, about the world attacking jews worldwide, etc and etc.
Most, if not all were met with POLL numbers, slams on Walker (not sure of why that is the big thing now) and just started a thread tonight simply asking what folks think about any future Iran agreement and the role that congress should play. I gave NO comments, simply asked the question, and the post that came back did not opine on that but very defensivly asked about other treaties as if that meant something.
Those kind of responses, and I admit to it, make me angry at the immaturity that people who live in the same place as me can manifest. I can discuss politics on many national forums but always have prefered to do it with my neighbors and I do it in person and on the phone with both conservative and liberals and THIS FORUM is the ONLY place where this takes place.
One more thing. President Obama is the President of the United States. By his own admission that makes him the biggest target of criticism in the entire world. Yet, any criticism of him on this forum is met again with poll results and it is treated as if it were a football game instead of adults discussing current events.
Folks should have a place to vent, if you will, on any current events and the situation in the world today is scary, I think you will agree. I find nothing racist, biased, radical, or anything wrong with people expressing those fears and lets admit it...this President by ANY AND ALL comparisons is doing things that were never done in a way that was never used. Thus questions and if someone backs him they should come on here in a leveled way and explain WHY they back him.
Said enough, but I do agree that the radical verbal spars from both sides are just a total waste of time.
Guest
02-19-2015, 11:35 PM
The entire liberal platform is: confiscate from the successful, and give to anyone that's NOT successful. Let's have 25 separate and duplicating programs for the food/housing/energy/job/emotional/child whatever help-you programs. If you don't feel like working for the next 40 years, no problem, rely on your neighbors!
When the nation first began, we had NONE of these programs and somehow the nation survived. Hmmm… churches, civic organizations...
I would rather starve to DEATH than force my neighbors to pay my way. That's the exact OPPOSITE of liberalism. You know, the whole, "It takes a village to raise a child thing." How about we all take care of our own business?
As far as taxes: why not levy a tax on all citizens? No income tax, just a fair and equal citizen tax on every living being in the country. We all pay the same, regardless of means for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. What happens if you can't afford to pay the citizen tax? Well, the same as if you can't afford your current tax bill: PRISON!
Why penalize those that have worked harder to become more educated or more skilled? For the good of society, a socialists wet dream, we should tax the lower educated, the lower skilled, thus the laziest and least productive in society at the HIGHEST rate, not the lowest. This would incentivize their achievement. This would benefit the collective the most.
Similarly, when a sales tax is proposed, I think there should be a tiered sales tax. Those who purchase the MOST, pay the LEAST, as a percentage….as a means to incentivize greater spending and thus greater economic activity.
How could anyone possibly argue with these proposals that would MOST BENEFIT the collective?
Guest
02-20-2015, 08:37 AM
The entire liberal platform is: confiscate from the successful, and give to anyone that's NOT successful. Let's have 25 separate and duplicating programs for the food/housing/energy/job/emotional/child whatever help-you programs. If you don't feel like working for the next 40 years, no problem, rely on your neighbors!
When the nation first began, we had NONE of these programs and somehow the nation survived. Hmmm… churches, civic organizations...
I would rather starve to DEATH than force my neighbors to pay my way. That's the exact OPPOSITE of liberalism. You know, the whole, "It takes a village to raise a child thing." How about we all take care of our own business?
As far as taxes: why not levy a tax on all citizens? No income tax, just a fair and equal citizen tax on every living being in the country. We all pay the same, regardless of means for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. What happens if you can't afford to pay the citizen tax? Well, the same as if you can't afford your current tax bill: PRISON!
Why penalize those that have worked harder to become more educated or more skilled? For the good of society, a socialists wet dream, we should tax the lower educated, the lower skilled, thus the laziest and least productive in society at the HIGHEST rate, not the lowest. This would incentivize their achievement. This would benefit the collective the most.
Similarly, when a sales tax is proposed, I think there should be a tiered sales tax. Those who purchase the MOST, pay the LEAST, as a percentage….as a means to incentivize greater spending and thus greater economic activity.
How could anyone possibly argue with these proposals that would MOST BENEFIT the collective?
Would you attempt to speak for liberals as to what they want? You have absolutely no clue as demonstrated by your post. Does being an ultra right wing conservative give you special knowledge or insight into what others think or actually invision for OUR country? No, and for the record I have no clue what you want, but I do know what you have demonstrated for six years, and that makes us sad!
Guest
02-20-2015, 09:15 AM
Would you attempt to speak for liberals as to what they want? You have absolutely no clue as demonstrated by your post. Does being an ultra right wing conservative give you special knowledge or insight into what others think or actually invision for OUR country? No, and for the record I have no clue what you want, but I do know what you have demonstrated for six years, and that makes us sad!
I believe this party affiliation "thing" is being carried to a fault. Some posts like the one above give the impression that left or right, conservative or liberal and democrats or republicans are different species from different planets that could in no way understand what the other wants or needs.
How about approaching an issue the old fashioned way? How about we figure out what we AMERICANS want or need?
Under the primise usually seen in a political environment when there is a community need we should be dividing the room into democrats and republicans and God help us if there is a smattering of other than those two.
Now just how effective would that be?
Sounds stupid right?
Then why is it OK to do so when discussing the needs of the country.
Some how or another we have to get back to the fact the reality of everyday life for most of us is not politically driven.
The expectation seems to be to treat politics like sports and get behind one team or another. With one exception. Sports fans seem to have found a way to co-exist with the opposition.
This need for win-lose....and tearing down anybody or any group that does not align with one or anothers beliefs is total and absolute BS. That is not how life is lived.
And we all know that no matter how we pull together or not there will always be a radical element that churns the system. They are the miirity representation of any group. Yet we allow such radicals to dictate how we live life. I say BS to that as well.
I have never ever attended any organization, club or society or group or church or whatever where there was a need to know the party affiliation of each other to perform.
Let us try to not sucumb to the disease that currently afflicts politics in general. That of shying away from viewing the merits of people or projects or proposals and instead resort to dissing, sniping, degrading, name calling.
How about demanding politicans spend their time educating us about them. And not the tearing down and dirt digging of the other guy.
As for the radicals....well just look at the middle east and see what happens when a minority group pushes the majority around....including slaughtering and killing of innocents. Not the same? Yes it is. We just haven't devolved to the point of drawing blood to win anything....yet.
Guest
02-20-2015, 09:59 AM
This post doesn't deserve a reasonable response, but nonetheless, I will attempt one.
The entire liberal platform is: confiscate from the successful, and give to anyone that's NOT successful. Let's have 25 separate and duplicating programs for the food/housing/energy/job/emotional/child whatever help-you programs. If you don't feel like working for the next 40 years, no problem, rely on your neighbors! You obviously know nothing of what most liberals desire. Liberals, in general, want fairness and a fair shot for everyone willing to work for it to achieve the American Dream. They favor programs such as head start, tuition grants, and job training, all of which offer low income people the ability to better themselves. Food stamps, ADA, unemployment benefits, ETC. are meant as a safety net for those attempting to get back on their feet. Are there abuses - unquestionably, but there are also abuses of corporate policy, Medicare fraud, market manipulation, farm subsidies, etc. Liberals tend to believe that giving people opportunities will pay dividends economically ultimately.
When the nation first began, we had NONE of these programs and somehow the nation survived. Hmmm… churches, civic organizations... A true conservative - let's return to the good old days of the eighteenth century. Yup, slavery, life expectancy less than forty, low class people living like animals, children starving, women commonly dying in childbirth - sounds like nirvana!
I would rather starve to DEATH than force my neighbors to pay my way. That's the exact OPPOSITE of liberalism. You know, the whole, "It takes a village to raise a child thing." How about we all take care of our own business? This is pure bull$&^+, no one would choose starvation over help from their neighbors. This is dillusional rhetoric from someone who, like me, has been blessed to never require help.
As far as taxes: why not levy a tax on all citizens? No income tax, just a fair and equal citizen tax on every living being in the country. We all pay the same, regardless of means for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. What happens if you can't afford to pay the citizen tax? Well, the same as if you can't afford your current tax bill: PRISON! great idea! Bill gates and Warren Buffet pay exactly the same amount as an unemployed disabled veteran! Why hasn't anyone thought of that before? Plus the massive job creation effort to build and staff all those new debtors prisons. BTW, where would the money for those new civic buildings come from?
Why penalize those that have worked harder to become more educated or more skilled? For the good of society, a socialists wet dream, we should tax the lower educated, the lower skilled, thus the laziest and least productive in society at the HIGHEST rate, not the lowest. This would incentivize their achievement. This would benefit the collective the most. This has to be young-in-cheek.
Similarly, when a sales tax is proposed, I think there should be a tiered sales tax. Those who purchase the MOST, pay the LEAST, as a percentage….as a means to incentivize greater spending and thus greater economic activity.
How could anyone possibly argue with these proposals that would MOST BENEFIT the collective?
Okay, if you are a troll and presented it as satire, you got me to bite. If, on the other hand, you believe what you've presented I hate to have to share the atmosphere with you.
Guest
02-20-2015, 10:11 AM
This post doesn't deserve a reasonable response, but nonetheless, I will attempt one.
Okay, if you are a troll and presented it as satire, you got me to bite. If, on the other hand, you believe what you've presented I hate to have to share the atmosphere with you.
One of the consequences of anonymity on this board is the potential for people to make posts posing as someone having incredible, radical and volatile opinions that stir passions but are totally fabricated. They can then sit back and enjoy the carnage.
Guest
02-20-2015, 10:14 AM
Would you attempt to speak for liberals as to what they want? You have absolutely no clue as demonstrated by your post. Does being an ultra right wing conservative give you special knowledge or insight into what others think or actually invision for OUR country? No, and for the record I have no clue what you want, but I do know what you have demonstrated for six years, and that makes us sad!
I, for one, would like to hear from a knowledgeable liberal, WHAT it is they do want ... what they envision as you put it. After that, I would like to hear HOW they believe it could be done. Maybe in a new thread if not this one.
Guest
02-20-2015, 10:20 AM
One of the consequences of anonymity on this board is the potential for people to make posts posing as someone having incredible, radical and volatile opinions that stir passions but are totally fabricated. They can then sit back and enjoy the carnage.
Agree ... and another reason to eliminate the "Guest" feature which, which however positive the intent, does not seem, in practice, to offer that much benefit to the forum. The forum is interesting, and would be more so and probably result in higher traffic, without "Guest" etc
Guest
02-20-2015, 02:22 PM
I don't know if liberals are sick, but I think they lack morals. How else can one explain their 100% acceptance and support of their political leaders no matter if they have been convicted of a felony, caught in a police sting, accused of rape, caught lying under oath, involved in underage sex scandals. How else can you explain their hypocrisy regarding "paying your fair share of taxes", then using very tax loophole, and then some, to pay minimum taxes (Warren Buffet comes to mind), or not paying any taxes at all (the Reverend). Not to mention how over-the-top angry they get during any political discussion.
Guest
02-20-2015, 06:07 PM
"...They favor programs such as head start, tuition grants, and job training…"
Head Start is a HUGE waste of money. Google all of the studies supporting this. UCLA economics department did one of the latest.
As far as tuition grants…why should I and all of my neighbors pay for YOUR child to attend school? How about YOU get a job and pay for YOUR child or your child gets a job and takes out school loans like the rest of us.
Job training - I assume you mean FREE job training? Nope. Again, how about the student or the parent get a job and pay for training like the rest of us did! Why is it my responsibility (as a taxpayer) to train YOUR child for a job?
This is exactly my point with libs. They come up with all these programs, handouts, grants, gifts and confiscate the wealth of common hard-working citizens to pay for it. How about YOU pay for YOUR choices in life and quit forcing me and my neighbors to.
Guest
02-21-2015, 12:36 AM
This bs will ever end as long as we have two parties system, lobbyist, and electoral votes. As far as liberals IMO and "I can have opinion" John Wayne summed them up best 60 years ago.
Guest
02-21-2015, 08:23 AM
I don't know if liberals are sick, but I think they lack morals. How else can one explain their 100% acceptance and support of their political leaders no matter if they have been convicted of a felony, caught in a police sting, accused of rape, caught lying under oath, involved in underage sex scandals. How else can you explain their hypocrisy regarding "paying your fair share of taxes", then using very tax loophole, and then some, to pay minimum taxes (Warren Buffet comes to mind), or not paying any taxes at all (the Reverend). Not to mention how over-the-top angry they get during any political discussion.
There does often seem to be an element of some type of liberal "rage" for lack of a better term. Have always wondered where it stems from
Guest
02-21-2015, 08:31 AM
It is sad how we hate each other. Is there nothing we can agree on.
I support SS & Medicare so I am a socialist.
I support work for money and apose welfare so I am conservative.
I feel we need some issues to be made law at the Federal level so I am a communist.
Please tell me what group I should join when the shooting starts.
Guest
02-21-2015, 08:41 AM
I think the above posts are sort of just hateful. I feel that we all started out pretty liberal in our political views and as we worked and learned and experienced life and became more successful, became a little more realistic about what our young and wonderful ideas could and should accomplish.
I think liberalism is appropriate and expected and very lovely in young and caring people. But if we stay in that mindset, we cannot get things done, deal with real issues, really help people and continue to take care of ourselves and others.
We all need to have a caring attitude, with a realistic plan...and work hard so that we can be financially secure so that people can look down on us.
Guest
02-21-2015, 08:48 AM
I think the above posts are sort of just hateful. I feel that we all started out pretty liberal in our political views and as we worked and learned and experienced life and became more successful, became a little more realistic about what our young and wonderful ideas could and should accomplish.
I think liberalism is appropriate and expected and very lovely in young and caring people. But if we stay in that mindset, we cannot get things done, deal with real issues, really help people and continue to take care of ourselves and others.
We all need to have a caring attitude, with a realistic plan...and work hard so that we can be financially secure so that people can look down on us.
Extremely arrogant and naive viewpoint. In other words we become more cynical and selfish as we age - actually some of us don't, and we actually deal with real issues and really help people.
Guest
02-21-2015, 09:56 AM
If you're under 30 and you're a republican, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and you're a democrat, you have no brain.
Guest
02-21-2015, 09:58 AM
And worst of all, virtually all liberals believe in the catastrophic man made global warming fraud.
Guest
02-21-2015, 10:21 AM
And worst of all, virtually all liberals believe in the catastrophic man made global warming fraud.
I believe in it, and I am a Republican, but I cannot see how laws and rules can change it much. People aren't going to stop driving, no matter how many emissions controls are used. People aren't really going to reuse and save the way we used to.
Guest
02-21-2015, 12:33 PM
I believe in it, and I am a Republican, but I cannot see how laws and rules can change it much. People aren't going to stop driving, no matter how many emissions controls are used. People aren't really going to reuse and save the way we used to.
Climate change is real. Catastrophic man made climate change is a fraud. CO2 is not a pollutant just because it has the word "carbon" in it.
Guest
02-21-2015, 01:28 PM
Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty. Why would any intelligent thinking person try to respond to that nonsense. I feel compelled to apology to my liberal breathren
I am a Republican conservative, my mother and father were liberal Democrats as were most of my family and friends. We hotly debated economic social and foreign issues but we did so with the understanding that we support our position with facts and not feelings. We remain family and friends when the debate was over
For the fourth time this forum was opened on a trial basis and if posters want it to remain so they need to explain to posters like the OP that they need to take care to address issues with fairness and respect.
I do not agree with OP. I see an important role for liberals and conservative alike and a little of each is a good thing. Its when either side gets too righteous that they fail. In other words it is a good thing to envision a better world but it takes pragmatic thinking to get there.
I did not enjoy and felt very uncomfortable about what was said on many of these posts and certainly they added nothing of a positive nature to the discussion
Guest
02-21-2015, 01:32 PM
Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty. Why would any intelligent thinking person try to respond to that nonsense. I feel compelled to apology to my liberal breathren
I am a Republican conservative, my mother and father were liberal Democrats as were most of my family and friends. We hotly debated economic social and foreign issues but we did so with the understanding that we support our position with facts and not feelings. We remain family and friends when the debate was over
For the fourth time this forum was opened on a trial basis and if posters want it to remain so they need to explain to posters like the OP that they need to take care to address issues with fairness and respect.
I do not agree with OP. I see an important role for liberals and conservative alike and a little of each is a good thing. Its when either side gets too righteous that they fail. In other words it is a good thing to envision a better world but it takes pragmatic thinking to get there.
I did not enjoy and felt very uncomfortable about what was said on many of these posts and certainly they added nothing of a positive nature to the discussion
I think you may have said before that you were a Republican Conservative...and I said I was...........................?
Guest
02-21-2015, 01:46 PM
Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty. Why would any intelligent thinking person try to respond to that nonsense. I feel compelled to apology to my liberal breathren
I am a Republican conservative, my mother and father were liberal Democrats as were most of my family and friends. We hotly debated economic social and foreign issues but we did so with the understanding that we support our position with facts and not feelings. We remain family and friends when the debate was over
For the fourth time this forum was opened on a trial basis and if posters want it to remain so they need to explain to posters like the OP that they need to take care to address issues with fairness and respect.
I do not agree with OP. I see an important role for liberals and conservative alike and a little of each is a good thing. Its when either side gets too righteous that they fail. In other words it is a good thing to envision a better world but it takes pragmatic thinking to get there.
I did not enjoy and felt very uncomfortable about what was said on many of these posts and certainly they added nothing of a positive nature to the discussion
Well said and thank you.
Guest
02-21-2015, 02:02 PM
Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty.
Where's the hate? Why don't you quote the exact hateful statement you disagree with? You can't, because there's no hate, just someone's OPINION that differs from yours.
Liberals do want to be taken care of; that's why they pass all sorts of cradle to grave socialist entitlement programs. Notice how most European countries are struggling under the massive weight of all their programs.
Liberals fear risking their capital; that's why they prefer pensions to self-guided retirement programs, and want expanded social security, etc… Tax and spend - except it's confiscate from others and spend largely on themselves in the form of more entitlements.
Liberals envy the successful; that's why Wall St. is the go-to boogie man as well as big corporations and the 1% earners. Success is demonized and portrayed as "unfair". Life is zero-sum in their minds; if someone is successful (ex. Bill Gates) then the liberal mantra is that he "got ahead" by taking from others, or disproportionately receiving too large a share of the nation's bounty. There's NEVER a mention that he legitimately and legally EARNED his wealth! (cue the big idiot and his socialist line, "You didn't build your business!…GOVERNMENT built your business!!"
Guest
02-21-2015, 04:57 PM
One of the consequences of anonymity on this board is the potential for people to make posts posing as someone having incredible, radical and volatile opinions that stir passions but are totally fabricated. They can then sit back and enjoy the carnage.
Truer words were never spoken on this entire forum.
I love to debate political topics but I have not come into this political forum much at all because of this "guest" screen name on everyone.
It's like giving people with no argument a case of spray paint and a 100-foot wall, letting them spray venomous graffiti and then run away like cowards, so they don't have to hear some facts and truth spoken to their closed-minded fantasy world of leftism.
Guest
02-21-2015, 05:02 PM
Truer words were never spoken on this entire forum.
I love to debate political topics but I have not come into this political forum much at all because of this "guest" screen name on everyone.
It's like giving people with no argument a case of spray paint and a 100-foot wall, letting them spray venomous graffiti and then run away like cowards, so they don't have to hear some facts and truth spoken to their closed-minded fantasy world of leftism.
Since there is no ability to Edit my post quoted above, I'm adding here to my post the words "and rightism".
Guest
02-21-2015, 05:50 PM
Since there is no ability to Edit my post quoted above, I'm adding here to my post the words "and rightism".
I was ready to rant. - until you added this. :boxing2::boxing2:
Guest
02-22-2015, 08:47 AM
It just isn't the same. This isn't debate. It is preaching and ranting and defending and being annoyed.
I do NOT like the way this political forum is set up. It makes it easier for the moderators but it isn't a forum.
For some it is punch and run.
For others it is a fine lecture.
Guest
02-22-2015, 01:30 PM
I think Guest is wrong....and right.
Guest
02-22-2015, 02:13 PM
What I find troubling is that when the word "liberal" is used the response reaches the level of the "McCarthy Era"..everyone who disagrees with me is a Communist. You have to be from the "silent generation" to remember that golden era of American politics.
Let us revisit "John 8:7"
Guest
02-22-2015, 03:52 PM
Climate change is real. Catastrophic man made climate change is a fraud. CO2 is not a pollutant just because it has the word "carbon" in it.
Well IMO until China, Mexico, India, get in to the 20th Cenntury no matter what the rest of the world does it will make no difference. ESPECIALLY CHINA.
Guest
02-22-2015, 03:55 PM
What I find troubling is that when the word "liberal" is used the response reaches the level of the "McCarthy Era"..everyone who disagrees with me is a Communist. You have to be from the "silent generation" to remember that golden era of American politics.
Let us revisit "John 8:7"
I disagree socialist liberalism started with Woodral Wilson.
Guest
02-22-2015, 04:08 PM
Climate change is real. Catastrophic man made climate change is a fraud. CO2 is not a pollutant just because it has the word "carbon" in it.
Politics and your political beliefs permeate all aspects of our lives. Don't believe me? Even "man-made climate change" is a left/right issue. We all agree pollution is bad and we should try to reduce it. Here's where the left takes a sharp turn down their familiar path of tax and spend. This time, they want to tax the CO2 producers and spend it on….god knows what?
This is simply another thinly disguised job-killing, economy-slowing TAX. Why does the left want to further slow the slowest recovery in history? These foolish policies choke the economic engine just as closing a damper on an old wood-burning stove.
Guest
02-22-2015, 04:35 PM
Politics and your political beliefs permeate all aspects of our lives. Don't believe me? Even "man-made climate change" is a left/right issue. We all agree pollution is bad and we should try to reduce it. Here's where the left takes a sharp turn down their familiar path of tax and spend. This time, they want to tax the CO2 producers and spend it on….god knows what?
This is simply another thinly disguised job-killing, economy-slowing TAX. Why does the left want to further slow the slowest recovery in history? These foolish policies choke the economic engine just as closing a damper on an old wood-burning stove.
Yeah, that darned science!
Guest
02-22-2015, 05:55 PM
I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.
Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?
Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.
Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?
no one has ever taken care of me, yet I consider myself more liberal than ultra conservative. Also, I have always worked, at least from 17 - 65, and have never relied on anyone other than myself. Have risked my own money, not yours and now am able to live in The Villages as your neighbor. But I also have never begrudged a helping hand, via my tax dollars, to children who are born to those who may or may not be the entitled type you described. Many children were not aborted by those who couldn't care for them but bought into the ultra conservative idea of sin....are those children part of your idea of the entitled? I also don't have a problem with providing a helping hand to those who were hit with downsizing when they reached an age that is not seen as an employable asset on the same level they had been, and having spent their lifesavings, going for interview after interview while working at walmart, perhaps having lost their home in forclosure, or perhaps having emptied out their lifesavings due to some catastrophic life-threatening event of themself or spouse or child or grandchild. My husband and I, having come from professional fields, have paid our fair, honest share of taxes over the years and while I resent anyone milking the system re disabilities, neither of us begrudge helping anyone truely in need. We personally know four on disability and everyone of them refers to our president as Obummer, and talks about liberals they way you just did. Only one is truely in need while the other three have learned how to play the system...they are no liberals. Your portrait of "liberals" seems ignorant (meaning uneducated not stupid), perhaps you might want to withdraw your stereotyping brush while you educated yourself.
Guest
02-22-2015, 08:09 PM
no one has ever taken care of me, yet I consider myself more liberal than ultra conservative. Also, I have always worked, at least from 17 - 65, and have never relied on anyone other than myself. Have risked my own money, not yours and now am able to live in The Villages as your neighbor. But I also have never begrudged a helping hand, via my tax dollars, to children who are born to those who may or may not be the entitled type you described. Many children were not aborted by those who couldn't care for them but bought into the ultra conservative idea of sin....are those children part of your idea of the entitled? I also don't have a problem with providing a helping hand to those who were hit with downsizing when they reached an age that is not seen as an employable asset on the same level they had been, and having spent their lifesavings, going for interview after interview while working at walmart, perhaps having lost their home in forclosure, or perhaps having emptied out their lifesavings due to some catastrophic life-threatening event of themself or spouse or child or grandchild. My husband and I, having come from professional fields, have paid our fair, honest share of taxes over the years and while I resent anyone milking the system re disabilities, neither of us begrudge helping anyone truely in need. We personally know four on disability and everyone of them refers to our president as Obummer, and talks about liberals they way you just did. Only one is truely in need while the other three have learned how to play the system...they are no liberals. Your portrait of "liberals" seems ignorant (meaning uneducated not stupid), perhaps you might want to withdraw your stereotyping brush while you educated yourself.
You speak eloquently for many! . :big bow:
Guest
02-22-2015, 08:56 PM
If right wingers are a 1, and left wingers are 10, I am a 6, which naturally makes a libtard according to the ones. I too was a professional and an executive in my working days. Thank God I never had to accept any charity or direct government assistance, and paid, and still pay, a lot of income tax, which I have always considered a privilege for enjoying life in this great country. I wore the uniform of the U.S. Army and lost my best friend in Vietnam. I love my country, and would not want to live anywhere else, but also believe my country and its leaders are far from perfect and many other countries do certain things better than we do in education and medical care for example. I hate the devisiveness in our politics, and the way it divides our people. I too am happy that my tax dollars can be used in ways that help people who haven't had the advantages, opportunity, and good fortune that I have enjoyed. I believe in capitalism and have no envy of people making their fortune so long as they do it honestly and ethically. I think that the level of inequality has gotten out of hand however, and that those who have been smart and lucky enough to make fortunes should be more willing to recognize the employees who do the work to help make their fortunes with higher wages and better benefits. I believe in unions, though I never belonged to one, but realize that some of them have abused their power and cheated the rank and file. I believe in them because they were instrumental in raising the American middle class, including some in my family, to the greatest standard of living in the world during the post ww2 era. I fear the middle class is becoming increasingly smaller and not because they are rising out of it, but because many are falling out the other end. It is heartening to me to see the minimum wage being raised in many states and WalMarts announcement of across the board increases is good though long overdue. I believe that race relations have come a long way since the embarrassing conditions of my youth, and I think that most of the advances were because of the efforts of brave liberals many in the face of violent retribution. However, the black community still is discriminated against in many places and in more subtle ways. The Black community deserves some of the blame for the failure to raise their status, but we the majority need to be willing to help those willing to work to raise themselves and their families above systematic poverty. A hopeful and secure person seldom turns to crime, white, black, or other. I suppose some will pick this post apart and attack it, and that's okay by me, it won't affect me or my ideals, it is, after all, a free country(for the most part).
Guest
02-22-2015, 09:39 PM
If right wingers are a 1, and left wingers are 10, I am a 6, which naturally makes a libtard according to the ones. I too was a professional and an executive in my working days. Thank God I never had to accept any charity or direct government assistance, and paid, and still pay, a lot of income tax, which I have always considered a privilege for enjoying life in this great country. I wore the uniform of the U.S. Army and lost my best friend in Vietnam. I love my country, and would not want to live anywhere else, but also believe my country and its leaders are far from perfect and many other countries do certain things better than we do in education and medical care for example. I hate the devisiveness in our politics, and the way it divides our people. I too am happy that my tax dollars can be used in ways that help people who haven't had the advantages, opportunity, and good fortune that I have enjoyed. I believe in capitalism and have no envy of people making their fortune so long as they do it honestly and ethically. I think that the level of inequality has gotten out of hand however, and that those who have been smart and lucky enough to make fortunes should be more willing to recognize the employees who do the work to help make their fortunes with higher wages and better benefits. I believe in unions, though I never belonged to one, but realize that some of them have abused their power and cheated the rank and file. I believe in them because they were instrumental in raising the American middle class, including some in my family, to the greatest standard of living in the world during the post ww2 era. I fear the middle class is becoming increasingly smaller and not because they are rising out of it, but because many are falling out the other end. It is heartening to me to see the minimum wage being raised in many states and WalMarts announcement of across the board increases is good though long overdue. I believe that race relations have come a long way since the embarrassing conditions of my youth, and I think that most of the advances were because of the efforts of brave liberals many in the face of violent retribution. However, the black community still is discriminated against in many places and in more subtle ways. The Black community deserves some of the blame for the failure to raise their status, but we the majority need to be willing to help those willing to work to raise themselves and their families above systematic poverty. A hopeful and secure person seldom turns to crime, white, black, or other. I suppose some will pick this post apart and attack it, and that's okay by me, it won't affect me or my ideals, it is, after all, a free country(for the most part).
It is post like yours like make me believe there is hope for the people in The Villages! A big THANK YOU!!
Guest
02-23-2015, 09:01 AM
Well IMO until China, Mexico, India, get in to the 20th Cenntury no matter what the rest of the world does it will make no difference. ESPECIALLY CHINA.
Half of the oil from Iraq goes to China. The advantage to China is they deal with any country regardless of race, religion, or national creed. I think China is in the 21st century.
Guest
02-23-2015, 10:01 AM
Half of the oil from Iraq goes to China. The advantage to China is they deal with any country regardless of race, religion, or national creed. I think China is in the 21st century.
Have you looked at the labels in almost all clothing, electronics, automobile parts, shoes, sneakers, luggage or just about ANYTHING used in everyday life, including now many foods we buy at the store.
If what is stated is considered China's advantage.....because of the reality of the USA dealing with ANY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET......your inference can only be that China is merely catching up to the USA.
I suppose it is possible your inference is not a swipe meaning the USA does not deal with any country, etc.
Guest
02-24-2015, 09:43 PM
The USA deals with other countries of course. However if you look at deals for access to resources on a global basis China overlooks the issue of political or religious affiliation of a nation when making a deal. A country with the largest population in the world and a one party political system has to do whatever necessary to sustain and improve it's standard of living.
Look back sixty years when China was virtually a third world country. Look at China today. We ship capital to China to make stuff and they use the $$$ to grow their economy. Stuff needs resources to make. You go to other countries and buy those resources. We had a war in Iraq that cost us billions of $$ and thousands of lives and China walks in and gets 50% of the oil output of the country without "boots on the ground".
I'm proud to be an American. You still have to be aware of what is happening in the world around you.
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