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redwitch
06-16-2008, 12:18 PM
Do ethics matter anymore? If you were a client, would it matter that the person who was doing things for you (whether it was a small business doing personal services for you or an executive of a large corporation) was on the very edge if not over of breaking a law, even if that law was one of those that benefitted an industry rather than the populance as a whole? Would you want to know? If so, why? If not, why not?

I remember when I was a kid, contracts weren't needed. If you said you were going to do something, a handshake would do it. Today, you can't even trust someone when a contract is signed. If you were starting a small business, you would bend over backwards to not step on a friend's toes that were in the same business. I remember my uncle actually going to his competitor (a mortician in a very small town) and the two of them discussing if the town could handle two funeral homes and, if so, how to split the business before he opened his own. This was not done for financial reasons but rather because my uncle wanted to be sure there would be no hard feeligs -- if his friend (and former employer) had objected to his opening a new funeral home, my uncle wouldn't have opened it. Back then, you didn't find ways to skirt a law, you helped others stay well within those laws even if it meant you didn't get that business.

This all seems to be gone today -- even here in TV. People who were raised with these morals and ethics seem to throw them right out the window when it comes to them starting and operating a business. I've seen people here say they will do something and not do it. I know of a person who watches homes who has used the owner's property without permission. I've heard of several arrests and prison terms for property managers actings as real estate agents by advertising or negotiating rental rates for owners and at least one of these individuals admitting knowing it was wrong but decided the financial reward was worth the risk (much better to get a percentage of rent than a low, flat monthly rate, you know).

I don't get it. I know that my word is my bond. This is how I was raised. There is no way I could do things any other way. I'll go the extra mile for my friends and my clients. I would never try to steal another person's clients. I would not try to get around a law just because it was inconvenient to me or because it would mean less money. Naively, I thought at least those in their 50s, 60s and 70s would follow these ethics. It is so sad to me to see that these kind of ethics don't matter -- not by the business, not by the clients. What are we teaching our children and grandchildren?

graciegirl
06-16-2008, 02:02 PM
Red!

It is appalling to hear this. I really do believe that most people are good and honest. I choose to live where successful people live and people do NOT remain successful if they are dishonest or underhanded. At least that is a good guiding rule MOST of the time.

My grandchildrens friends are held to high standards just like our children were. Like is drawn to like.

I know that is why I like you so much RedWitch. :) You are hardworking, honest and caring too.

mcelheny
06-16-2008, 04:29 PM
Red,
I so agree. That is still the way it is in my small hometown. Everybody helps everybody. Nobody locks their door because everyone watches everybody's elses house. We are poor in money but very rich in values. We come together to fight corps. who want to use us for garbage dumping grounds. You can read about us fighting on work horses with shot guns at a bridge to turn around 3 different attempts to start a landfill in our back yards.
I was like a lamb going out into the world and I still don't know how some people sleep at night. Hope you are ok Red.

redwitch
06-16-2008, 04:37 PM
I'm fine, just saddened at what I've seen and heard lately. I really thought that TVers had left the corporate greed behind, the willingness to use people. I've seen so much good here that I'm just sickened when I hear of someone having a party in property they are watching; of "borrowing" televisions; etc. The claiming to walk a dog and then not doing it. The idea of going after another person's clients is something I could never bring myself to do yet I have seen it done. It's just the whole lack of ethics that I find disappointing and I truly don't understand.

graciegirl
06-17-2008, 12:45 AM
Dee,

I am trying to think how we can do something about this. That is terrible. I think you should tell someone at the developers office to be sure and maybe quietly tell the local police. That is trespassing for sure.

I am so sorry that this person is trying to take your clients.

Hugs to you.

GracieGirl

redwitch
06-17-2008, 05:12 AM
All of these things didn't happen to me or my clients. Some of it did but some of it is things I have heard from others. I just don't understand how people can do that.

If you say you're going to do something, you do it. There's no excuse for committing, especially if people are paying you, and then not doing.

If you're responsible for someone's property, you do your best to take care of it. You certainly don't disrespect it by having a bbq in the back yard or borrowing their big screen tv for a super bowl party in your home.

If you're trying to start a business, you work hard to get clients. You let your friends, neighbors, etc. know you're actively looking. You don't go after someone else's clients unless you know the client is unhappy with the services being given. I'm lucky. My clients like me and like the work I do, so have not lost a client to others. I have lost a couple of potential clients who I was scheduled to meet with but hooked up with someone else before our appointment. It happens. How it happens is what bothers me.

You do check the laws and make sure you're not breaking them. Just as importantly, you don't skirt them. It just isn't worth the risk.

Yet, I have seen or heard of all of these types of things happening. I honestly don't understand. I don't understand the person who is willing to be so unethical. I don't understand those willing to use people who use someone who has misused their property or abused their trust. I don't understand how someone would want to deal with another who you know is trying to steal your business for another. I don't understand those who are willing to skirt the law nor use those who will do that.

This really isn't about me. It's about the appalling lack of ethics from a generation that I thought was extremely ethical (thankfully, by a minority but enough of a minority to stand out). The young adults and older teens of the 50s and 60s are looked upon as a moral compass. Yet, it seems this moral compass goes right out the window when people think they can get away with something. I really would like to understand how and why this happens. I. just. don't. get. it.

njgranny
06-17-2008, 12:46 PM
Red, I know how you feel. I would feel so guilty if I did any of the things you mentioned. I don't understand people much of the time.

We contracted with a well-known and supposedly respected person to do our roof and shingles a few years back. Imagine my surprise, when I came home for lunch and saw my driveway up on a forklift. That sure wasn't part of the contract. The guy never even apologized that his worker had done this and never corrected it (other than have the worker lay it down again).

colleenj
06-17-2008, 07:58 PM
I have to agree with Red, I don't get it either but unfortunately, no matter where you are there are those who are less than reputable and care only about themselves. They think they are getting away with things (and sometimes they do) but my experience is that eventually "they get what they give". A number of times in my life I have seen someone treat others shabbily or less than ethically and it has come back full circle to them. My grandmother was right when she said "what goes around comes around". I couldn't live like that -not caring about how I treated others, either professionally or personally, but that's just me...

chelsea24
06-18-2008, 04:00 AM
Ok, it's late at night and I'm overtired and silly, but I can't get past the two morticians discussing if there was enough business to go around. Weren't people dying to get in???
1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl

Sorry Red.

I know what you're saying. I don't have the preconceived notion that our generation has a cornerstone on ethics. After working in advertising and television for many years (we had to lock our scripts and presentations in our desk so the other writers wouldn't steal our ideas.) I guess I'm just coming from a different place than you are. Feel better. ;)

NYVette
06-18-2008, 04:28 AM
Everyone has seen the lawn care threads posted in TOTV. It's cutting grass...not rocket science. Can't they just do what they are hired to do instead of billing absentee owners for uncut lawns?