More Troops to Middle East?

[Guest]

This morning a new poll reported 57% of Americans think we should send more troops to fight Isis. I'm kind of wondering if the poll question was worded "would you allow deductions taken out of your pay checks, retirement checks, social security checks to pay for another escalation of troops in that area and also pay for what we have already spent"? My guess is that 57% would drop very significantly. The cold war ended because the Soviet Union tried to keep up with our military spending and basically bankrupted themselves. It is my opinion we are doing the same thing. Take the Underware Bomber for instance. They invested in a plane ticket, some crude bomb making material, and one pair of fruit of the looms. How much did we spend on this episode? They spend a thousand we spend a billion. Time is on their side. Any intelligent discussion I've heard is being drown out by saber rattling.

[Guest]

A better question might be: Would you be willing to sacrifice your son/daughter or grandson/daughter to be part of the "boots on the ground" of an American incursion?

It does make a difference if you make it personal or just "them", doesn't it?

[Guest]

When France, England, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Turkey, Denmark, etc. etc. are ready to send their soldiers, as they all face a much higher imminent risk than does our country, then come back and ask again. We went alone in Iraq and totally destroyed that country. We have been essentially on our own in Afghanistan, same outcome. Ground troops will swat at sand dunes. You can't kill ideas with bullets and it is exactly what ISIS wants, proof they are right that the US is out to destroy their vision of Islam

[Guest]

While we are growing hypotheticals around, how much is it worth to keep the Islamic butchers and killers of innocents in the Mideast and not at the mall where you and your family are shopping.

Just like polls and surveys, just word them to accomplish a pre-determined outcome!

[Guest]

We took care of the Islamic butchers and killers in Iraq. We need to bring back the Draft so that all Americans have the opportunity to share in the "boots on the ground" experience.

[Guest]

...We need to bring back the Draft so that all Americans have the opportunity to share in the "boots on the ground" experience.

I think the word "opportunity" implies "optional".

[Guest]

I agree wholeheartedly that the draft should be reinstated.... With No exemptions, male and female. The mothers of the world would stop the wars then. As a drafted Vietnam vet I can say firsthand, exemptions don't work. The wealthy got the college deferments and the poor kids were drug off to war. That's the way it was in 65.

[Guest]

I agree wholeheartedly that the draft should be reinstated.... With No exemptions, male and female. The mothers of the world would stop the wars then. As a drafted Vietnam vet I can say firsthand, exemptions don't work. The wealthy got the college deferments and the poor kids were drug off to war. That's the way it was in 65.

Not so sure that is necessary -

Getting into the military is getting tougher - May. 15, 2013 (http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/15/news/economy/military-recruiting/index.html)

[Guest]

We took care of the Islamic butchers and killers in Iraq.

Other than hanging Saddam (an non-religious leader), in what manner did we take care of butchers in Iraq? We took a nation with some internal stresses that was being held together by a tyrant. We destabilized it and get loose the Shia against the Sunni against the Kurd. We led to car bombs, people bombs, ISIS beginning, and radicalized hundreds of thousands of people who while discontent with their situation were now willing to kill and be killed instead. We created butchers in fall greater numbers than there were before we got there. And I missed the memo you apparently got that our invasion of Iraq was related to getting Islamic people. Pretty sure even Cheney never voiced that opinion.

[Guest]

As I recall, there was a consensus among leadership after the First Gulf War, that to proceed into Iraq would have resulted in us being involved in a civil war with the U.S. as the enemy.
FYI We suffered 146 Killed in that war. We had 10,000 hospital beds on reserve for potential casualties.
I was in the AF Medical Service during Vietnam and the First Gulf War.
My apologies for the misstatement about Islam and Iraq relative to the First Gulf War.

[Guest]

This morning a new poll reported 57% of Americans think we should send more troops to fight Isis. I'm kind of wondering if the poll question was worded "would you allow deductions taken out of your pay checks, retirement checks, social security checks to pay for another escalation of troops in that area and also pay for what we have already spent"? My guess is that 57% would drop very significantly. The cold war ended because the Soviet Union tried to keep up with our military spending and basically bankrupted themselves. It is my opinion we are doing the same thing. Take the Underware Bomber for instance. They invested in a plane ticket, some crude bomb making material, and one pair of fruit of the looms. How much did we spend on this episode? They spend a thousand we spend a billion. Time is on their side. Any intelligent discussion I've heard is being drown out by saber rattling.


Actually you're correct ( won't be using military power anytime soon) but not because of the way you posed the issue.

Americans can be counted on to never nip an obvious problem in the bud, but rather wait until we have an overwhelmingly threatening problem that's too big for anyone to ignore, no matter how uniformed.

Isis is one example. Iran is another. Poof ... who's worried about a mushroom cloud in DC or NYC when we're talking about social security checks , right?

[Guest]

We took care of the Islamic butchers and killers in Iraq. We need to bring back the Draft so that all Americans have the opportunity to share in the "boots on the ground" experience.

I think everyone should pony up and experience financing "boots on the ground". I also question how we could justify sending our children to war for the cause we have been over there for. I'm not sure what to think about this Isis but do believe our overthrowing the region made it happen. I will politely listen to anyone telling me our freedom national security justifed what we did.

[Guest]

I think everyone should pony up and experience financing "boots on the ground". I also question how we could justify sending our children to war for the cause we have been over there for. I'm not sure what to think about this Isis but do believe our overthrowing the region made it happen. I will politely listen to anyone telling me our freedom national security justifed what we did.

There was and still continues to be one major issue.
The military have not now or ever been allowed/ordered to what it takes to win!
Too much politics and not enough spine and cajones.

[Guest]

There was and still continues to be one major issue.
The military have not now or ever been allowed/ordered to what it takes to win!
Too much politics and not enough spine and cajones.

Agree ... political constraints and lousy leadership at the top

[Guest]

There was and still continues to be one major issue.
The military have not now or ever been allowed/ordered to what it takes to win!
Too much politics and not enough spine and cajones.

Am not sure what testicles have to do with it, but I seem to recall from my education that we are greatly advantaged by having civilian control of our military. Must have missed the day they taught about the wondrous advantages of having a military which could do what it wanted to win at all costs. Peter Sellers, where are you?

[Guest]

A military victory is not going to bring peace to the Middle East. What is going on there is based on the religious beliefs in those countries and they will fight, as we would, if invaded by a foreign power.
There was some order in Iraq until we decided to overlook our First Gulf War victory and let cruise missiles and bunker busters delude us into becoming the Global Police Force.
Anybody wonder why China doesn't have problems dealing with these same Middle Eastern countries? It ain't cruise missiles and boots on the ground.

[Guest]

Am not sure what testicles have to do with it, but I seem to recall from my education that we are greatly advantaged by having civilian control of our military. Must have missed the day they taught about the wondrous advantages of having a military which could do what it wanted to win at all costs. Peter Sellers, where are you?

That is not what was said or intended. You may have an opinion but not change the wording or intent of another's posting.

You obviously missed the part where it is stated "ordered' to win. And restated "...what ever it takes to win..." to at all costs.

[Guest]

Am not sure what testicles have to do with it, but I seem to recall from my education that we are greatly advantaged by having civilian control of our military. Must have missed the day they taught about the wondrous advantages of having a military which could do what it wanted to win at all costs. Peter Sellers, where are you?

I'm sorry but when I first read the reference to Peter Sellers, I thought you were referring to Barack Obama ... my mistake

[Guest]

There was and still continues to be one major issue.
The military have not now or ever been allowed/ordered to what it takes to win!
Too much politics and not enough spine and cajones.

I had to re-read your comment twice as it sounds like you are saying the reason we haven't sent more of our young people to the middle east is lack of spine. Although you probably have support in this forum that thinking defies logic. The flat earth society is alive and well here in The Villages

[Guest]

I had to re-read your comment twice as it sounds like you are saying the reason we haven't sent more of our young people to the middle east is lack of spine. Although you probably have support in this forum that thinking defies logic. The flat earth society is alive and well here in The Villages

Well congratulations after two tries you still got it 100% wrong....but worded to make your points.

Let's try a different approach and see how it gets moved around.

The reason boots on the ground again is even being discussed is because in Iraq and Afghanistan the military leaders were never given the direction at the time when we had more than 100,000 of our troops there....to do what ever it takes to win the war(s).

The lack of spine remark is aimed squarely at Obama. The military leaders were ready to go on his command. Instead their hands were tied and as a result many Americans died there.

[Guest]

The reason so many young Americans died was we had no reason being there in the first place. Please give thanks for that rightfully to W and the real commander in chief and war criminal Dick Cheney!

[Guest]

:icon_bored:The reason so many young Americans died was we had no reason being there in the first place. Please give thanks for that rightfully to W and the real commander in chief and war criminal Dick Cheney!

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