Rules of how to conduct business and one willingly violates those rules

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there is a penalty to pay.
In corporate America it can be as drastic as losing one's job.

In politics it is not the same. Why is that?

Because they are either law degreed or have sufficient wealth to employ lawyers to make it go away. Or re-word it so as to reflect nothing more than honorable intentions.

And now with Clinton's latest rule break it has become all about why did she do it? Did she hide something? Was there a breach of security?

And while we are all focused on that string distractions how conveniently the entire system glides right past the fact she in fact violated the system and routines spelled out BY THE GOVERNMENT she supposedly represented?

Just another case of selective enforcement.

With her track record, such as it is, including having lost the nomination in 2008 to an unknown newcomer, plus all the questionable issues as secretary of state, why is the democratic party letting her railroad the system to the point of being candidate of the party?

She has proven time and again over the years to be suspect in many issues that involve not being in compliance with the laws or procedures.

Let us just see if this thread will allow opportunity for reasoning and discussion why she is or is not worthy.

Without the name calling, blaming and derogatory sniping that seems to prevail. Contrary to what the anagonistic posters would like us to believe, one can have their belief and support and also others who may have a difference of opinion.

Let us see if a dialogue will be permitted.

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there is a penalty to pay.
In corporate America it can be as drastic as losing one's job.

In politics it is not the same. Why is that?

Because they are either law degreed or have sufficient wealth to employ lawyers to make it go away. Or re-word it so as to reflect nothing more than honorable intentions.

And now with Clinton's latest rule break it has become all about why did she do it? Did she hide something? Was there a breach of security?

And while we are all focused on that string distractions how conveniently the entire system glides right past the fact she in fact violated the system and routines spelled out BY THE GOVERNMENT she supposedly represented?

Just another case of selective enforcement.

With her track record, such as it is, including having lost the nomination in 2008 to an unknown newcomer, plus all the questionable issues as secretary of state, why is the democratic party letting her railroad the system to the point of being candidate of the party?

She has proven time and again over the years to be suspect in many issues that involve not being in compliance with the laws or procedures.

Let us just see if this thread will allow opportunity for reasoning and discussion why she is or is not worthy.

Without the name calling, blaming and derogatory sniping that seems to prevail. Contrary to what the anagonistic posters would like us to believe, one can have their belief and support and also others who may have a difference of opinion.

Let us see if a dialogue will be permitted.

Your entire post is one of "name calling, blaming, and derogatory sniping". But you don't want anybody else to stoop to that level? Trying to get a monopoly?

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I hope this add on is not too off topic, but I don't understand the Democrats being so, I'll call it, "Hillary-minded". Don't they have ANY other viable candidates? Yes, I know there is Elizabeth Warren, but I feel like it is just a gender thing to them in some respects (FYI, I am a female so no mud slinging, please!) On the other hand, the Republicans are always bringing forth fresh faces and new possibilities. There HAS to be more to the Democratic party than Hillary! This has always been one of the biggest turn-offs for me about the current Democratic party.

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Your entire post is one of "name calling, blaming, and derogatory sniping". But you don't want anybody else to stoop to that level? Trying to get a monopoly?

I am not the OP on this thread, but I don't see what you are saying at all. On the other hand, I don't see that you have added one thing to this conversation by your post. What say you about my post regarding is there anyone else but Hillary, or is that all you got?

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I am not the OP on this thread, but I don't see what you are saying at all. On the other hand, I don't see that you have added one thing to this conversation by your post. What say you about my post regarding is there anyone else but Hillary, or is that all you got?

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I hope this add on is not too off topic, but I don't understand the Democrats being so, I'll call it, "Hillary-minded". Don't they have ANY other viable candidates? Yes, I know there is Elizabeth Warren, but I feel like it is just a gender thing to them in some respects (FYI, I am a female so no mud slinging, please!) On the other hand, the Republicans are always bringing forth fresh faces and new possibilities. There HAS to be more to the Democratic party than Hillary! This has always been one of the biggest turn-offs for me about the current Democratic party.

Since Hilary has 95% support among democrats, it has been difficult for other candidates to oppose her. If needed, there could be several more qualified candidates to run for president.

Your last two nominees were John McCain and Mitt Romney, not exactly fresh faces, unless you're talking about Sarah Palin.

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Since Hilary has 95% support among democrats, it has been difficult for other candidates to oppose her. If needed, there could be several more qualified candidates to run for president.

Your last two nominees were John McCain and Mitt Romney, not exactly fresh faces, unless you're talking about Sarah Palin.

Is this really true or just a Clinton supporter talking out loud.
95% have no problem with her ongoing issues of the law. If even close to true, absolutely amazing.

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Since Hilary has 95% support among democrats, it has been difficult for other candidates to oppose her. If needed, there could be several more qualified candidates to run for president.

Your last two nominees were John McCain and Mitt Romney, not exactly fresh faces, unless you're talking about Sarah Palin.

I find 95% to be laughable, unless of course you have some data to back that up, then i will withhold my laughter. As far as Republicans, there are many good governors Pence (IN), Kasich (OH), Walker (WI), to name a few. Then there's Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, again just to name a few. I'm not saying that these are all new faces to politics, nor would they necessarily be my pick, but the Republicans seem to have a lot more potential candidates to at least consider/encourage to run. With the Dems it's always Hillary and then whoever else they can scrounge up. Seriously, I would love to hear about other qualified Democratic candidates. I'm sure there are some, but it almost seems like they are suppressed or something. That's very concerning to me and as a Democrat should be to you also. No one on this earth is the be all and end all!

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I find 95% to be laughable, unless of course you have some data to back that up, then i will withhold my laughter. As far as Republicans, there are many good governors Pence (IN), Kasich (OH), Walker (WI), to name a few. Then there's Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, again just to name a few. I'm not saying that these are all new faces to politics, nor would they necessarily be my pick, but the Republicans seem to have a lot more potential candidates to at least consider/encourage to run. With the Dems it's always Hillary and then whoever else they can scrounge up. Seriously, I would love to hear about other qualified Democratic candidates. I'm sure there are some, but it almost seems like they are suppressed or something. That's very concerning to me and as a Democrat should be to you also. No one on this earth is the be all and end all!

Republican possibilites being Rand Paul (a true nutcase), Marco Rubio (he supports DREAM), Scott Walker (unions would have a field day), Paul Ryan (a loser), Kasich (oh, get real), and so on.

Sec. Clinton is an excellent choice for Democrats and will trounce the Republican candidate.

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Is this really true or just a Clinton supporter talking out loud.
95% have no problem with her ongoing issues of the law. If even close to true, absolutely amazing.

It is amazing and......it's a MENTAL ILLNESS! :loco:

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Is this really true or just a Clinton supporter talking out loud.
95% have no problem with her ongoing issues of the law. If even close to true, absolutely amazing.

Hillary Clinton has double-digit leads over potential GOP presidential rivals, poll shows - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-has-double-digit-leads-over-potential-gop-presidential-rivals-poll-shows/2015/01/21/a9df44e2-a190-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html)


Read almost to the end and find "she leads with 90 plus percent with registered democrats".

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Most of us have been introduced to the concept that if you tell a lie three times it becomes a truth. The Democrats initially believed that Hillary had such name recognition that she could easily destroy any Republican candidate. However with the revelations concerning the Clinton Foundation and now Hillary's private e-mail account while Secretary of State some Democrats are not so sure.

Hillary recognizing this defaults to ïsn't it time that we elect a woman president"? About a year ago I wrote about this alerting readers that what the Democrats did in 2008 they will again try to reproduce in 2016. Isn't it time we elect a minority president? "Isn't it time we elected a woman president"? Well yes provided she is qualified.

Obama was never properly vetted, never had near the bona fides needed for the most important position in the world and now the Democrats feign again with isn't it time. The world doesn't need a man, woman, white, black,....president it needs a true and proven leader with great vision impeccable character moral clarity and the political courage to return this nation to its once greatness

Hillary like Barrack have been mired in one scandal after another there is absolutely nothing that either has done to earn a voters respect or trust. In fact they both continue to take ethical shortcuts leaving behind casualties they have accumulated when throwing them under the bus for their self interests

Hillary's decision to establish a private e-mail while Secretary has the appearance of conflict covert dealings, collusion and of eschewing congressional review. Sh left an opening for our enemies to hack information vital to the national security. It was indeed more bad judgment on her part

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Republican possibilites being Rand Paul (a true nutcase), Marco Rubio (he supports DREAM), Scott Walker (unions would have a field day), Paul Ryan (a loser), Kasich (oh, get real), and so on.

Sec. Clinton is an excellent choice for Democrats and will trounce the Republican candidate.

Yes see the other thread on why Hillary is eminently qualified to be President ... her cups runneth over indeed

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I find 95% to be laughable, unless of course you have some data to back that up, then i will withhold my laughter. As far as Republicans, there are many good governors Pence (IN), Kasich (OH), Walker (WI), to name a few. Then there's Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, again just to name a few. I'm not saying that these are all new faces to politics, nor would they necessarily be my pick, but the Republicans seem to have a lot more potential candidates to at least consider/encourage to run. With the Dems it's always Hillary and then whoever else they can scrounge up. Seriously, I would love to hear about other qualified Democratic candidates. I'm sure there are some, but it almost seems like they are suppressed or something. That's very concerning to me and as a Democrat should be to you also. No one on this earth is the be all and end all!

Hillary Clinton has double-digit leads over potential GOP presidential rivals, poll shows - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-has-double-digit-leads-over-potential-gop-presidential-rivals-poll-shows/2015/01/21/a9df44e2-a190-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html)

Laugh away. Near the end of the article it says "she leads with 90% plus support among registered democrats".

Other qualified democratic candidates: Senators Gillibrand (NY), Klobuchar (MN), McCaskill (MO), Brown (OH), Warren (MA). Notice almost all my picks for POTUS are women, all your suggestions are men...coincidence?

Noticeably absent from your list are Jeb Bush (the odds on favorite), Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum (all retreads).

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Republican possibilites being Rand Paul (a true nutcase), Marco Rubio (he supports DREAM), Scott Walker (unions would have a field day), Paul Ryan (a loser), Kasich (oh, get real), and so on.

Sec. Clinton is an excellent choice for Democrats and will trounce the Republican candidate.

Again, name calling, etc. You might notice that I was not doing that in my posts. I do not like nor trust Hillary Clinton at all, but will not resort to name calling. I was merely trying to ENGAGE in a dialogue regarding this, but honestly some posters (or maybe just one as there's no way to know on this forum) just can not debate intelligently or logically or certainly with an open mind. A mental illness - I don't know, but if that was me it may certainly drive me to that. And once again my question was not answered. It amazes me how liberals (I have to quit including all Democrats in my posts because i don't think that's fair) look at their candidates, or should I say candidate, like they are gods. WOW - I just cannot relate.

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Hillary Clinton has double-digit leads over potential GOP presidential rivals, poll shows - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-has-double-digit-leads-over-potential-gop-presidential-rivals-poll-shows/2015/01/21/a9df44e2-a190-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html)


Read almost to the end and find "she leads with 90 plus percent with registered democrats".

Yes this indeed gives us helpful insight into the troubled mental state of most Democrat voters, many of them actually legal residents of this great Country

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Hillary Clinton has double-digit leads over potential GOP presidential rivals, poll shows - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-has-double-digit-leads-over-potential-gop-presidential-rivals-poll-shows/2015/01/21/a9df44e2-a190-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html)

Laugh away. Near the end of the article it says "she leads with 90% plus support among registered democrats".

Other qualified democratic candidates: Senators Gillibrand (NY), Klobuchar (MN), McCaskill (MO), Brown (OH), Warren (MA). Notice almost all my picks for POTUS are women, all your suggestions are men...coincidence?

Noticeably absent from your list are Jeb Bush (the odds on favorite), Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum (all retreads).


Now there's a dream ticket ...Klobuchar--McCaskill 2016

Ps isn't McCaskill the same one who recently said she would never leave her granddaughter near Bill Clinton?

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Now there's a dream ticket ...Klobuchar--McCaskill 2016

Ps isn't McCaskill the same one who recently said she would never leave her granddaughter near Bill Clinton?

That's her. She was also one of the earliest to jump on the Hilary bandwagon, endorsing her last year.

It seems like the tea party darling, Scott Walker, has his own email controversery.


It (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/04/it-s-not-just-hillary-scott-walker-s-email-controversy.html?via=desktop&source=twitter)

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WOW - I just cannot relate.

Of course not...you're rational. I've spent (wasted?) years trying to understand the liberal mindset. It was/is as productive as a search for a unicorn.

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It seems like the tea party darling, Scott Walker, has his own email controversery.



Last time I checked I don't see where SW built a private server farm in his Bedroom like Hillary did .... talk about lousy optics and images !!!

The real story is the elite media NYT, Polictico, WaPo and New Yorker seem to be gunning for Hillary. That tells me they think she is vulnerable, probably fatally so. Quite intriguing ...

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Hillary Clinton has double-digit leads over potential GOP presidential rivals, poll shows - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-has-double-digit-leads-over-potential-gop-presidential-rivals-poll-shows/2015/01/21/a9df44e2-a190-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html)

Laugh away. Near the end of the article it says "she leads with 90% plus support among registered democrats".

Other qualified democratic candidates: Senators Gillibrand (NY), Klobuchar (MN), McCaskill (MO), Brown (OH), Warren (MA). Notice almost all my picks for POTUS are women, all your suggestions are men...coincidence?

Noticeably absent from your list are Jeb Bush (the odds on favorite), Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum (all retreads).

Well, thank you for responding. To respond back, of course there are also some amazing Republican women - Nikki Haley comes to mind. But my all time favorite would have been Condi Rice - both African American AND a woman - now wouldn't that have been a bite for the Dems!!

But most importantly, I totally agree with what another poster said, and i will quote him/her here - The world doesn't need a man, woman, white, black,....president it needs a true and proven leader with great vision impeccable character moral clarity and the political courage to return this nation to its once greatness - And I might add to that, for me it wouldn't even matter what their party affiliation is if the other attributes mentioned were present.

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In 2016 when we have a Republican President and Congress life in America will become perfect. The USofA can be like China with its one party political system. No problem with "liberal media" bias there.

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Well, thank you for responding. To respond back, of course there are also some amazing Republican women - Nikki Haley comes to mind. But my all time favorite would have been Condi Rice - both African American AND a woman - now wouldn't that have been a bite for the Dems!!

But most importantly, I totally agree with what another poster said, and i will quote him/her here - The world doesn't need a man, woman, white, black,....president it needs a true and proven leader with great vision impeccable character moral clarity and the political courage to return this nation to its once greatness - And I might add to that, for me it wouldn't even matter what their party affiliation is if the other attributes mentioned were present.

I'll vote for that!! Great post 😀

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There are always some revealing gems that reveal others thought process or in this case the no matter what bias.

How can anyone diss candidates like Jeb Bush and Christie....labeling them as "retreads" which by the way does not have to be negative as retread definition includes new or improved or remaking, hence not bad.

And to imply Clinton is not a retread turns out to be true, by definition, because nothing has changed. In fact since the 2012 election the track record is much worse.

There definitely are better democratic candidates.

Why do some dems think she can't be "de-throned" by another dark horse/unknown as in 2008?

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Again, name calling, etc. You might notice that I was not doing that in my posts. I do not like nor trust Hillary Clinton at all, but will not resort to name calling. I was merely trying to ENGAGE in a dialogue regarding this, but honestly some posters (or maybe just one as there's no way to know on this forum) just can not debate intelligently or logically or certainly with an open mind. A mental illness - I don't know, but if that was me it may certainly drive me to that. And once again my question was not answered. It amazes me how liberals (I have to quit including all Democrats in my posts because i don't think that's fair) look at their candidates, or should I say candidate, like they are gods. WOW - I just cannot relate.

Dear Guest: I was the OP that suggested we make a political pact to ignore those resorting to name calling, etc. because said posters have no argument and do not advance understanding. What they do is try and force their opinion or venom on others. I am not going to waste my time with people who have no interest in intelligent exchanges.

Personal Best Regards:

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Obama won in 08 as an outsider with country in terrible shape. He never should have won in 2012 but did because our Republican house approved every spending bill that was offered up. The White House will not change hands in 2016 as I believe we have pasted the so called tipping point where more people are getting benefits from government then are people paying for them. When this money runs out the streets will be full of protesters.

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Dear Guest: I was the OP that suggested we make a political pact to ignore those resorting to name calling, etc. because said posters have no argument and do not advance understanding. What they do is try and force their opinion or venom on others. I am not going to waste my time with people who have no interest in intelligent exchanges.

Personal Best Regards:

Yes, you are correct and very wise at that. Thank you for the reminder to NOT ENGAGE! :smiley:

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Obama won in 08 as an outsider with country in terrible shape. He never should have won in 2012 but did because our Republican house approved every spending bill that was offered up. The White House will not change hands in 2016 as I believe we have pasted the so called tipping point where more people are getting benefits from government then are people paying for them. When this money runs out the streets will be full of protesters.

This is one of my fears/concerns as well. I hope we are both wrong on this and that there are more Americans out that care more about country than self.

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This is one of my fears/concerns as well. I hope we are both wrong on this and that there are more Americans out that care more about country than self.


Agree with both of you here

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This is one of my fears/concerns as well. I hope we are both wrong on this and that there are more Americans out that care more about country than self.

We need to take it upon our individual selves to make sure/harass frinds and family to get out to vote.
I am ashamed that as many that did not vote because they did not like the candidates. They should have voted for one or the other....but not NOT VOTE.

I was also ashamed and alarmed that the state of FL backed Obama not once but twice.

It just has to be the voter turn out. We all need to not rest until the elction is over and won....by a non democrat. This country cannot accept more of the same.

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We need to take it upon our individual selves to make sure/harass frinds and family to get out to vote.
I am ashamed that as many that did not vote because they did not like the candidates. They should have voted for one or the other....but not NOT VOTE.

I was also ashamed and alarmed that the state of FL backed Obama not once but twice.

It just has to be the voter turn out. We all need to not rest until the elction is over and won....by a non democrat. This country cannot accept more of the same.


Why would anyone be surprised that the state of FL went for Obama not once but twice, when there are 500,000 more registered democrats in FL than republicans?

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Why would anyone be surprised that the state of FL went for Obama not once but twice, when there are 500,000 more registered democrats in FL than republicans?

And?