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Guest
03-10-2015, 09:03 AM
What is everyone's opinion of this development ??? Whatever your opinion of the impending deal or no deal with Iran. Do you think our Congress should be undermining the President on the international stage?

Firestorm erupts over GOP letter challenging Obama's power to approve Iran nuclear deal | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/10/biden-blasts-gop-letter-to-iran-on-nuclear-deal-approval-saying-it-offends-me/)

Guest
03-10-2015, 10:30 AM
Iran says GOP letter suggests US is 'not trustworthy' - AOL.com (http://www.aol.com/article/2015/03/10/democrats-denounce-gop-letter-on-iran-nuke-talks/21151631/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D625492)


These republican senators are clearly trying to sabotage the deal, although no deal has been announced, but they have not offered one constructive idea of their own. What is their plan, other than all out war with Iran?

Guest
03-10-2015, 10:37 AM
The Senate GOP's Extraordinary Letter To Iran Is Seriously Backfiring (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-iran-letter-backfires?utm_content=bufferf99c8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)


The GOP's letter to Iran seems to be backfiring big time. In a related matter, a new poll released today says Netanyahu would lose if the election were held today. Apparently his speech to congress also is backfiring if he was attempting to influence the electorate.

Guest
03-10-2015, 12:43 PM
In my travels throughout the world, I have never spoken badly about the sitting President. It doesn't matter the political party of the President. As an American, I believe you should always put on your American face to outsiders.

This letter is way beyond what I expect from our elected officials.

The political divisiveness has reach a new level, even on this forum.

Guest
03-10-2015, 12:54 PM
Can you imagine if this type of letter was written by North Korean Party leaders to Pres. Obama? They would be imprisoned or executed for treason.

It is a good thing that Netenblabblab would lose. We do not need war mongers like him around as "allies".

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:14 PM
In my travels throughout the world, I have never spoken badly about the sitting President. It doesn't matter the political party of the President. As an American, I believe you should always put on your American face to outsiders.

This letter is way beyond what I expect from our elected officials.

The political divisiveness has reach a new level, even on this forum.

You have an interesting perspective.

To me, this is another indication of Obama's lack of leadership. Like it or not, we have a two-party system and if you want to be an effective leader you MUST find common ground and work in bipartisan fashion with the out-of-power party. Obama's "take it or leave it" narcissistic attitude and rhetoric has poisoned Washington and resulted in a dysfunctional stalemate. By every measure, Obama's presidency is an abject failure devoid of any significant legislative or international accomplishments.

I WAS going to say at least his golf game is getting better, but according to Michael Jordan (who refuses to play golf with Obama!) he's still a hack. You gotta love it!

:crap2:

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:23 PM
'TRAITORS': NY Daily News Slams GOP Senators Who Signed Iran Letter (PHOTO) (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nydn-blasts-gop-senators-iran-traitors?utm_content=buffer8f00c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)


The NY Daily News brands these 47 GOP senators who sent this letters as traitors on the cover of today's newspaper.

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:28 PM
What is everyone's opinion of this development ??? Whatever your opinion of the impending deal or no deal with Iran. Do you think our Congress should be undermining the President on the international stage?

Firestorm erupts over GOP letter challenging Obama's power to approve Iran nuclear deal | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/10/biden-blasts-gop-letter-to-iran-on-nuclear-deal-approval-saying-it-offends-me/)

This reminds me of Baghdad Jim McDermott D-Wa

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:32 PM
You have an interesting perspective.

To me, this is another indication of Obama's lack of leadership. Like it or not, we have a two-party system and if you want to be an effective leader you MUST find common ground and work in bipartisan fashion with the out-of-power party. Obama's "take it or leave it" narcissistic attitude and rhetoric has poisoned Washington and resulted in a dysfunctional stalemate. By every measure, Obama's presidency is an abject failure devoid of any significant legislative or international accomplishments.

I WAS going to say at least his golf game is getting better, but according to Michael Jordan (who refuses to play golf with Obama!) he's still a hack. You gotta love it!

:crap2:

Fully agree ... if Obama was a man of his word and trustworthy people wouldn't feel the need to do this

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor " equals "I won't let Iran get a nuke "

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:33 PM
The GOP letter sent to Iran could not have undermined Obama"plan because the plan was undermined by Obama himself. Essentially Obama was holding Iran to its demand. But that is not the issue

Obama's tactics over these six years have shown that he can't be trusted, that he is a horrible negotiator and that he has refused from day one to work within the US Constitutions of separate but equal powers. the presidents job is to execute faithfully the policies created by the legislative branch with disputes between resolved by the judicial.

Obama has ignored Congress from day one and has gotten very use to governing by fiat and in doing so this country is in a serious mess.

I am saddened that 47 GOP senators felt the need to write a letter to the Iranians but keep in mind that the Iran deal so badly thought out that despite desperate attempts to hear them out Obama proceeded in his usual arrogant way. so while I am sorrowful that the need was created I understand why the need was exercised.

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:41 PM
The GOP letter sent to Iran could not have undermined Obama"plan because the plan was undermined by Obama himself. Essentially Obama was holding Iran to its demand. But that is not the issue

Obama's tactics over these six years have shown that he can't be trusted, that he is a horrible negotiator and that he has refused from day one to work within the US Constitutions of separate but equal powers. the presidents job is to execute faithfully the policies created by the legislative branch with disputes between resolved by the judicial.

Obama has ignored Congress from day one and has gotten very use to governing by fiat and in doing so this country is in a serious mess.

I am saddened that 47 GOP senators felt the need to write a letter to the Iranians but keep in mind that the Iran deal so badly thought out that despite desperate attempts to hear them out Obama proceeded in his usual arrogant way. so while I am sorrowful that the need was created I understand why the need was exercised.

For the 99th time, there is no Iran deal. There are negotiations going on. When or if a deal is reached, all can pile on and criticize it. Until then, what are the GOP alternatives?

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:50 PM
The US is not negotiating alone on Iran. The US is but one of 5 other nations in the negotiations.

I believe Russia is a bit closer, geographically to Iran, than the US. My thought is they would want a good deal out of this too.

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:53 PM
For the 99th time, there is no Iran deal. There are negotiations going on. When or if a deal is reached, all can pile on and criticize it. Until then, what are the GOP alternatives?


For the 99th time people do NOT trust Obama ... for good and plentiful reasons.

If Iran is allowed to get a nuke, through Obama's incompetence, our kids get to experience nuclear jihad. What part of that do you not understand anyway??

Guest
03-10-2015, 01:54 PM
For the 99th time, there is no Iran deal. There are negotiations going on. When or if a deal is reached, all can pile on and criticize it. Until then, what are the GOP alternatives?

Here's an earth-shattering suggestion: why not demonstrate some obvious presidential leadership and include republicans on your Iran negotiating team.

DUH!... comes to mind! :oops:

Guest
03-10-2015, 02:08 PM
Here's an earth-shattering suggestion: why not demonstrate some obvious presidential leadership and include republicans on your Iran negotiating team.

DUH!... comes to mind! :oops:

Reason Republicans aren't included is there is no nation to invade. Without that the greedy racists have nothing! Thought I'd include that for the geritol set and their tea party trash!

Guest
03-10-2015, 02:10 PM
Just on the internet . These Senators may be charged with treason'

Guest
03-10-2015, 02:16 PM
Reason Republicans aren't included is there is no nation to invade. Without that the greedy racists have nothing! Thought I'd include that for the geritol set and their tea party trash!

:1rotfl:

Hittin' the bottle pretty early again, aren't you!

:wine::beer3:

Guest
03-10-2015, 02:35 PM
Reason Republicans aren't included is there is no nation to invade. Without that the greedy racists have nothing! Thought I'd include that for the geritol set and their tea party trash!

Try to get a handle on that pervasive inner liberal rage ... your blood pressure is going to pop

Guest
03-10-2015, 04:01 PM
Try to get a handle on that pervasive inner liberal rage ...

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Guest
03-10-2015, 06:14 PM
Can Pelosi be prosecuted under the Logan Act for meeting with Assad? « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/06/can-pelosi-be-prosecuted-under-the-logan-act-for-meeting-with-assad/) This is not a new thing that just happened with those damn racist republicans. We have a two party system in this country and one party does not agree with the other party and will do whatever is necessary to protect the country.

Guest
03-10-2015, 07:03 PM
Obama will go down in history as a poor leader and President but that said there is no way anyone one can condone what this group of senators did. This is at the very least a complete embarrassment for America. I'm glad to see my former Senators from my were not on this list.

Guest
03-10-2015, 07:15 PM
Obama will go down in history as a poor leader and President but that said there is no way anyone one can condone what this group of senators did. This is at the very least a complete embarrassment for America. I'm glad to see my former Senators from my were not on this list.

IF Republicans were included on the Iran negotiating team, do you believe this would have occurred? If you were cut out of the process, and your negotiating strategy leaked thus far included a path for an ally's destruction, would you sit idly by wondering how history would judge your "appeasing silence"?

Where does leadership begin in an organization? At the bottom, say by the janitor? Or, perhaps, at the top by the president?

Guest
03-10-2015, 07:24 PM
Obama will go down in history as a poor leader and President but that said there is no way anyone one can condone what this group of senators did. This is at the very least a complete embarrassment for America. I'm glad to see my former Senators from my were not on this list.

Senator Tom Cotton, who authored the letter, said on Morning Joe this am when asked what he would suggest he said 'regime change' in Iran. That has an eerie ring to it, doesn't it?

Guest
03-10-2015, 07:32 PM
Senator Tom Cotton, who authored the letter, said on Morning Joe this am when asked what he would suggest he said 'regime change' in Iran. That has an eerie ring to it, doesn't it?

You libs are "cute". If banging your head against a wall for 30 years doesn't work, libs say let's try for ANOTHER 30 YEARS!

Republicans, living in reality-land, say there's no use trying to negotiate with Islamic terrorists any longer. You libs DO UNDERSTAND Iran is THE GREATEST state-sponsored terrorist organization on the planet, don't you?

Silly libs... your poor little underground bunker would have been destroyed long ago without us conservatives protecting you. You're a lot like infants, still dependent on the Republican teat!

Guest
03-10-2015, 07:39 PM
You libs are "cute". If banging your head against a wall for 30 years doesn't work, libs say let's try for ANOTHER 30 YEARS!

Republicans, living in reality-land, say there's no use trying to negotiate with Islamic terrorists any longer. You libs DO UNDERSTAND Iran is THE GREATEST state-sponsored terrorist organization on the planet, don't you?

Silly libs... your poor little underground bunker would have been destroyed long ago without us conservatives protecting you. You're a lot like infants, still dependent on the Republican teat!

Does that include September 11, 2001 when the whole country was looking for Republican President George W Bush to protect us?

Guest
03-10-2015, 07:51 PM
Does that include September 11, 2001 when the whole country was looking for Republican President George W Bush to protect us?

Actually George W. Bush, as you know, was new to office so he relied on the previous DEMOCRAT Clinton until his administration was fully in place.

Strange how no more 9-11's have occurred post-Bush, huh?

:crap2:

Guest
03-10-2015, 08:33 PM
Can Pelosi be prosecuted under the Logan Act for meeting with Assad? « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/06/can-pelosi-be-prosecuted-under-the-logan-act-for-meeting-with-assad/) This is not a new thing that just happened with those damn racist republicans. We have a two party system in this country and one party does not agree with the other party and will do whatever is necessary to protect the country.

It is not just that. Sen Rockefeller actually made a tour of Mideast countries before Iraq, trying to get them riled up to oppose then President Bush, BUT most important, the President, if not said clearly implied, AND THE SEXY OF STATE ACTUALLY SAID that congress was not to be involved, so again congress was to be bypassed and this is pretty darn important. So either this or wait until Obama just does it and once again publicly mocks people as he is prone to do.

It was the right move..look bad..sure, but the right move for sure.

Guest
03-11-2015, 08:46 AM
Really???? Involve Congress??? Are you kidding me????

This is the most do nothing Congress ever! I'm talking both sides of the aisle here; not one party or the other.

If we waited for this Congress to make a decision on anything, especially something as important as nuclear arms in the Middle East, we all be dead and gone by then.

Unfortunately, I can't blame anyone for bypassing this Congress with anything that needs to be accomplished in this decade.

Again, I'm not throwing stones at either party individually...they are both to blame... It's no wonder "any" administration would bypass this Congress at every opportunity.

Guest
03-11-2015, 09:11 AM
Really???? Involve Congress??? Are you kidding me????

This is the most do nothing Congress ever! I'm talking both sides of the aisle here; not one party or the other.

If we waited for this Congress to make a decision on anything, especially something as important as nuclear arms in the Middle East, we all be dead and gone by then.

Unfortunately, I can't blame anyone for bypassing this Congress with anything that needs to be accomplished in this decade.

Again, I'm not throwing stones at either party individually...they are both to blame... It's no wonder "any" administration would bypass this Congress at every opportunity.


Totally agree with your opinion about involving congress. How many of the other countries involved in these negotiations bring along a contingent from their opposition parties? China, Russia, Germany????

Guest
03-11-2015, 09:19 AM
GOP Hates Obama More Than a Nuclear Iran - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/10/open-letter-to-iran-shows-gop-senators-hate-obama-more-than-they-love-america.html?source=socialflow&via=twitter_page&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter)


By telling Tehran not to negotiate with President Obama, these GOP senators threaten the US role as a superpower on the world stage.

Guest
03-11-2015, 03:16 PM
GOP Hates Obama More Than a Nuclear Iran - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/10/open-letter-to-iran-shows-gop-senators-hate-obama-more-than-they-love-america.html?source=socialflow&via=twitter_page&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter)


By telling Tehran not to negotiate with President Obama, these GOP senators threaten the US role as a superpower on the world stage.

This is one of the most unhinged, and thus unintentionally humorous, liberal comments I have ever seen posted on TOTV ... and that's saying a lot

Guest
03-11-2015, 03:22 PM
Just on the internet . These Senators may be charged with treason'

Good grief ... get a hold of yourself and carryon!

Besides real treason was committed when Ted Kennedy dealt with Yuri Andopov during the Reagan years, John Kerry with Commandante Ortega and various other examples

In this case Republicans are simply trying to ensure Obama doesn't end up giving nukes to Iran ... which would indeed be treasonous if that happens

Guest
03-11-2015, 03:53 PM
This is one of the most unhinged, and thus unintentionally humorous, liberal comments I have ever seen posted on TOTV ... and that's saying a lot

The upside is that the Iranians will pay no more attention to these Congressmen than we do. They know it's all theater, for political purposes.

It's shocking to me that they could even get 47 senators to agree on anything.

Guest
03-11-2015, 04:52 PM
It's shocking to me that they could even get 47 senators to agree on anything.

Now that Harry Reid is no longer the "gatekeeper", blocking nearly all legislation from coming to the floor, I imagine we will see more activity.

But... your point is noted. Congress is very partisan under Obama's leadership.

Guest
03-11-2015, 04:58 PM
Now that Harry Reid is no longer the "gatekeeper", blocking nearly all legislation from coming to the floor, I imagine we will see more activity.

But... your point is noted. Congress is very partisan under Obama's leadership.


You misspelled McConnell. He is leading the senate, not President Obama.

Guest
03-11-2015, 05:06 PM
You misspelled McConnell. He is leading the senate, not President Obama.

You're almost right.

Vice President Biden is leading the Senate.

Guest
03-11-2015, 05:31 PM
You misspelled McConnell. He is leading the senate, not President Obama.

If you're inferring that little has been accomplished in Washington while Obama was "at the helm", "set the tone", "buck stops here", etc.. then I agree. He's a very partisan, narcissistic, arrogant and frankly inept leader incapable of building a consensus. His "my way or the highway" style of autocratic executive action has resulted in a nearly absolute stalemate in Washington.

History will not judge his presidency or leadership "style" favorably.

We've most likely all worked for or had commanders with similar ineffective leadership styles. I certainly have. Morale suffers, little is accomplished, people align into varying factions and the group dynamic is characterized by systemic infighting. In a word, it's a DISASTER!

Guest
03-11-2015, 07:25 PM
If you're inferring that little has been accomplished in Washington while Obama was "at the helm", "set the tone", "buck stops here", etc.. then I agree. He's a very partisan, narcissistic, arrogant and frankly inept leader incapable of building a consensus. His "my way or the highway" style of autocratic executive action has resulted in a nearly absolute stalemate in Washington.

History will not judge his presidency or leadership "style" favorably.

We've most likely all worked for or had commanders with similar ineffective leadership styles. I certainly have. Morale suffers, little is accomplished, people align into varying factions and the group dynamic is characterized by systemic infighting. In a word, it's a DISASTER!


If President Obama can keep this country from having a major terrorist attack (9/11), and if he can keep this country out of two unnecessary wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), and if he can keep the economy from imploding (worst recession since the great depression), he will be doing 1000% better than the previous president...admittedly a low bar to cross.

Guest
03-11-2015, 07:46 PM
Iran letter blowback startles GOP - Burgess Everett - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/republicans-surprised-by-iran-letter-blowback-116003.html)


GOP senators admit they didn't give a lot of thought about going to war with Iran.

Guest
03-12-2015, 09:10 AM
If you're inferring that little has been accomplished in Washington while Obama was "at the helm", "set the tone", "buck stops here", etc.. then I agree. He's a very partisan, narcissistic, arrogant and frankly inept leader incapable of building a consensus.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

Build a consensus with whom? Boehner can't even build a consensus in his own caucus.

Guest
03-12-2015, 09:49 AM
[QUOTE=Guest;1027142]If you're inferring that little has been accomplished in Washington while Obama was "at the helm", "set the tone", "buck stops here", etc.. then I agree. He's a very partisan, narcissistic, arrogant and frankly inept leader incapable of building a consensus. His "my way or the highway" style of autocratic executive action has resulted in a nearly absolute stalemate in Washington.QUOTE]

Do not forget that George W. had a final overall rating of 22 percent. Bill Clinton had 54 percent and Jimmy Carter had 44 percent.

Guest
03-12-2015, 10:31 AM
Really???? Involve Congress??? Are you kidding me????

This is the most do nothing Congress ever! I'm talking both sides of the aisle here; not one party or the other.

If we waited for this Congress to make a decision on anything, especially something as important as nuclear arms in the Middle East, we all be dead and gone by then.

Unfortunately, I can't blame anyone for bypassing this Congress with anything that needs to be accomplished in this decade.

Again, I'm not throwing stones at either party individually...they are both to blame... It's no wonder "any" administration would bypass this Congress at every opportunity.

Me throw the stones. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to not see that's it's the Koch brothers' lackeys, the angry old white me, the Tea Party that is to blame for pretty much the whole world's problems. Home grown terrorists, period!:loco:

Guest
03-12-2015, 10:57 AM
Me throw the stones. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to not see that's it's the Koch brothers' lackeys, the angry old white me, the Tea Party that is to blame for pretty much the whole world's problems. Home grown terrorists, period!:loco:

I LOVE what I read about The Tea Party on Wikipedia.

They sound like our Founding Fathers. Anyone know how one joins and donates money so they can expand?

:crap2:

Guest
03-12-2015, 05:26 PM
If President Obama can keep this country from having a major terrorist attack (9/11), and if he can keep this country out of two unnecessary wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), and if he can keep the economy from imploding (worst recession since the great depression), he will be doing 1000% better than the previous president...admittedly a low bar to cross.

"if he can keep this country from having a major terrorist attack" is a result of what Bush put into place. Obama has degraded our security and it's only a matter of time.

"if he can keep this country out of two unnecessary wars" well we all pretty much know what direction that is headed. ISIS has grown beyond belief and we now have a much bigger problem because of his inaction.

"if he can keep the economy from imploding" the economy is coming around despite his interference - the economy will fix itself without government interference. His actions have slowed recovery which is evidenced by stagnant wages and a ficticious unemployment rate (doesn't include those that have just given up looking for work or the underemployed?

Anything else?

Guest
03-12-2015, 10:34 PM
Sorry folks, your tea party is on the way out. Look at the mirror and the age. Thank you God!

Guest
03-13-2015, 06:15 AM
Sorry folks, your tea party is on the way out. Look at the mirror and the age. Thank you God!

I'm guessing you refer to God as a figure of speech, vs a supreme being whose teachings you believe in and a actually try to follow in your pathetic hate filled life?

Guest
03-13-2015, 07:27 AM
I'm guessing you refer to God as a figure of speech, vs a supreme being whose teachings you believe in and a actually try to follow in your pathetic hate filled life?

Have you read The New Testament? Please compare that to the hate filled rants of your Tea Party. It is a good thing God is compassionate or you might have to go shopping for an asbestos Speedo.

Such rants include your rants on African-Americans in Ferguson, poor people on welfare, and rich people/corporations not paying more taxes.

Don't embarass yourself by trying to respond. Just get out on the golf course, have fun, and change your ways of thinking. :spoken:

Guest
03-13-2015, 08:17 AM
Have you read The New Testament? Please compare that to the hate filled rants of your Tea Party. It is a good thing God is compassionate or you might have to go shopping for an asbestos Speedo.

Such rants include your rants on African-Americans in Ferguson, poor people on welfare, and rich people/corporations not paying more taxes.

Don't embarass yourself by trying to respond. Just get out on the golf course, have fun, and change your ways of thinking. :spoken:

First of all, you have me confused with several other posters, some who only exist apparently in your imagination anyway. But, I note you can always be relied upon to be confused so it all works out in the end.

Guest
03-13-2015, 04:19 PM
Jesus is a liberal. Think about it my greedy tea partiers!

Guest
03-13-2015, 04:25 PM
Jesus is a liberal. Think about it my greedy tea partiers!

And don't forget, the pope himself said "who am I to judge"?

Guest
03-13-2015, 04:39 PM
Jesus is a liberal. Think about it my greedy tea partiers!

My new theory is that, when a secular liberal lefty starts referring to religious figures (which the majority of liberals don't believe in) they have run out of arguments ...except for the usual name calling

Guest
03-13-2015, 05:59 PM
My new theory is that, when a secular liberal lefty starts...

... talking... don't bother listening 'cause they're ALL mentally ill!

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