University of OK Expels Students For Racist Chant

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University of Oklahoma Expels Two Students Tied to Racist Chant Video - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/university-oklahoma-expels-two-students-tied-racist-chant-video-n320831)


Two students have now been expelled after a copy of a film surfaced over the week-end in which they were leading a racist chant. The fraternity was closed down yesterday, and all student were told to vacate the building by today. SAE has also cut all ties with the OK chapter.

Kudos to OK University President David Boren for stepping in and taking immediate action. These kids parents must be so proud of their sons.

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SAE Identifies Beauton Gilbow As House Mother Who Appeared to Use Epithet - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sae-identifies-beauton-gilbow-house-mother-video-racial-epithet-n320936)

Now the SAE fraternity has identified a house mother at the frat house who was identified on a video using racial epithet.

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I agree with the exclusion of the fraternity from the University; however, I do not agree with expelling the students. Let them face the reality of their hateful actions from their peers on campus.

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I agree with the exclusion of the fraternity from the University; however, I do not agree with expelling the students. Let them face the reality of their hateful actions from their peers on campus.

I have not fully digested this but I am saddened and am incensed.

I also agree that the fraternity should be disbanded, as individuals represent that organization.

On the other hand, I'm a strong advocate of free speech. I was angry when those (Westboro Baptist Church) idiots would protest at Iraq War veterans funerals claiming, "God hates Fags!" etc...

And I'm also unsympathetic to Univ of Calif., Irvine student government kids that banned the US flag from be flown on campus.

BUT... unfortunately... FREE SPEECH at the individual level must be protected, as vile as it is, sometimes.

Therefore, ban the fraternity, counsel the students, but you can't prosecute/punish them for exercising their constitutionally-protected free speech. This is one of those occasions where we all agree their speech is horrible, but nevertheless (should be) protected.

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I have not fully digested this but I am saddened and am incensed.

I also agree that the fraternity should be disbanded, as individuals represent that organization.

On the other hand, I'm a strong advocate of free speech. I was angry when those (Westboro Baptist Church) idiots would protest at Iraq War veterans funerals claiming, "God hates Fags!" etc...

And I'm also unsympathetic to Univ of Calif., Irvine student government kids that banned the US flag from be flown on campus.

BUT... unfortunately... FREE SPEECH at the individual level must be protected, as vile as it is, sometimes.

Therefore, ban the fraternity, counsel the students, but you can't prosecute/punish them for exercising their constitutionally-protected free speech. This is one of those occasions where we all agree their speech is horrible, but nevertheless (should be) protected.

Based on news reports today, the University of Oklahoma President David Boren thought he had grounds to expel them, and that is what he did. They are also being investigated for civil rights violations.

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Based on news reports today, the University of Oklahoma President David Boren thought he had grounds to expel them, and that is what he did. They are also being investigated for civil rights violations.

But just for a moment think about the consequences of the above. No longer can you express in public your thoughts, unless they agree with whatever is considered ok that day by the government.

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But just for a moment think about the consequences of the above. No longer can you express in public your thoughts, unless they agree with whatever is considered ok that day by the government.

Oh these kids can say whatever they want, but the university can also boot them out for those statements. It's just like if you go out and bad mouth your employer or give away trade secrets, which are both your first amendment rights, you won't be working for that employer very long.

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Oh these kids can say whatever they want, but the university can also boot them out for those statements. It's just like if you go out and bad mouth your employer or give away trade secrets, which are both your first amendment rights, you won't be working for that employer very long.
You could very well be correct in that whatever one says on a college campus is subject to review by university authorities for compliance. I just haven't expended the time to do any research.

Having said that, I'm kind of surprised that free speech is so abridged on a college campus as those youngins' often say very controversial things.

But, you may be right...

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Maybe the fraternity was auditioning for internships at Fox News?

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Maybe the fraternity was auditioning for internships at Fox News?

I don't get it? :confused:

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I hear a lot of people feigning outrage over this incident but I've seen more news coverage about these dumb, insensitive kids singing that song then I did the actual damage the looters did in Ferganson. Added to the continuing assult on law inforcement my empathy is running low this minority.

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If it weren't for AG Holder, there would be no firings in Ferguson, probably promotions instead.

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If it weren't for AG Holder, there would be no firings in Ferguson, probably promotions instead.

Who got fired? :confused:

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I hear a lot of people feigning outrage over this incident but I've seen more news coverage about these dumb, insensitive kids singing that song then I did the actual damage the looters did in Ferganson. Added to the continuing assult on law inforcement my empathy is running low this minority.

Is not dead, it is alive and well on this forum and within the villages. I've witnessed it many times and even heard a tea party organizer on the square say we have too many of "those kind of people"in Washington. They were very specific with the innuendo. I don't know if they are trying to rehash the civil war or create their own little Jonesboro type utopia. Either way it just stinks.

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I hear a lot of people feigning outrage over this incident but I've seen more news coverage about these dumb, insensitive kids singing that song then I did the actual damage the looters did in Ferganson. Added to the continuing assult on law inforcement my empathy is running low this minority.

The laundry called. Your sheets are ready.

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Is not dead, it is alive and well on this forum and within the villages. I've witnessed it many times and even heard a tea party organizer on the square say we have too many of "those kind of people"in Washington. They were very specific with the innuendo. I don't know if they are trying to rehash the civil war or create their own little Jonesboro type utopia. Either way it just stinks.

Actually your baseless accusations and manner of groupthink is what has an odor. You need to come up with a better argument than the tired old standby of calling your ideological opponents racist yadda yadda

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...I've witnessed it many times and even heard a tea party organizer on the square say we have too many of "those kind of people"in Washington. They were very specific with the innuendo. I don't know if they are trying to rehash the civil war or create their own little Jonesboro type utopia. Either way it just stinks.

This is so pricelessly funny! The old "specific" innuendo! :1rotfl:

innuendo |ˌinyo͞oˈendō|
noun (pl. innuendoes or innuendos)
an allusive or oblique remark or hint

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What was chanted in OK, was wrong.

I remind you however of the chants in black lodges, the chants of black "ministers", and add that if this chant was done by a black rapper, talking of whites, it rockets to #1 on the charts.

This is very unfortunate, but actually is "lite" for the normal, accepted everyday lyrics in popular rap songs, as well as said in so called "preaching" on the streets, YET that appears to be tolerable. Some like to incite and ignore

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There are many sides to this rubic's cube. First, the type of idealism that moves kids to march in protests for any/all causes also appears in songs and chants on buses. the passionate young.

Political correctness has gotten so out of hand that the slightest perception or misconception of a word or a party costume etc sets college students to over react. ie can you believe the guy showed up dressed like an priest call the political correct police no religion in this school

These same college/university students/professors who are highly offended and angered at what they perceive as racist, sexist, etc are the same sort of college/university students/professors that are showing themselves to be anti-semitics.

The students in question are protected under the First Amendment, unless of course your a white male, christian and patriotic then you only qualify as an offender and never the one being offended. Yes the students should be censured/disciplined for their faux pas but for God sake the liberals figuratively want to beat them to death. Liberals have in this instance and others recently literally tried to totally destroy people's lives over silliness like this. What happened to "stick and stones will break my bones but names will never matter"?

The fraternity and the University showed no political courage and allowed the politically correct/ thought police to run them out of town.

I am getting so tired of elitist educators turning their noses up at the rest of us. Its enough to make you want tobarf

Obama/Holder/de Blasio/Sharpton ,etc have done more recently to opened up a wound that was healing quite well.

Welcome to back to the future

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The one student in the video who seems to be doing most of the singing was really stupid. He obviously knew he was being videoed and that it very well could appear on YouTube. Once on there, it stays basically forever.

Just think what this could mean in a job interview in the future. He ain't gonna get the job. This can follow him for life.

Tell your grandkids to be very careful of what they say in a public setting as it could come back to haunt them in the future.

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I fully agree they should have been expelled and that the frat should be disbanded. Freedom of speech should not be squelched, but people should expect consequences for those actions.

However, it is disturbing, when saying the n-word is automatically interpreted as a definite, imminent threat to do mortal harm to someone, when in reality, the person saying it probably would NOT harm a black person physically OR emotionally NOR in an employer-employee or educational opportunity situation.

What if they sang outside the campus church on an obese woman's wedding day (as kids used to chant…):

"Here comes the bride
All fat 'n fried….."

Would THAT be interpreted as "hate speech" meriting expulsion from the school, because of an interpreted threat of "frying the bride in oil"??

I think some of the things said/chanted are being interpreted into something much worse, like physical/educational/employment harm, when really it was some drunken idiots singing drunken songs!

To me it's pretty scary that they are being treated like would-be MURDERERS!

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Maybe the fraternity was auditioning for internships at Fox News?

I LOVE Fox News!!

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These fraternity kids from OK exactly how many stores did they rob? How many autos did they set on fire? How many rocks, cans sticks, etc did they throw at cops? How many innocent people did they accost?

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These fraternity kids from OK exactly how many stores did they rob? How many autos did they set on fire? How many rocks, cans sticks, etc did they throw at cops? How many innocent people did they accost?

Are runner up for the white sheet award this week!

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Are runner up for the white sheet award this week!

Our neighborhood racist is back with his Klan talk.

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Our neighborhood racist is back with his Klan talk.


I would say anti-racist. The racist was the one who asked how many cars the students set on fire or looted stores. The racist was comparing the expulsion of fraternity brothers who were dumb enough to chant racist songs on YouTube to black marchers who turned violent.

Neither should be condoned.

As far as KKK talk, stop it.

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There are many sides to this rubic's cube. First, the type of idealism that moves kids to march in protests for any/all causes also appears in songs and chants on buses. the passionate young.

Political correctness has gotten so out of hand that the slightest perception or misconception of a word or a party costume etc sets college students to over react. ie can you believe the guy showed up dressed like an priest call the political correct police no religion in this school

These same college/university students/professors who are highly offended and angered at what they perceive as racist, sexist, etc are the same sort of college/university students/professors that are showing themselves to be anti-semitics.

The students in question are protected under the First Amendment, unless of course your a white male, christian and patriotic then you only qualify as an offender and never the one being offended. Yes the students should be censured/disciplined for their faux pas but for God sake the liberals figuratively want to beat them to death. Liberals have in this instance and others recently literally tried to totally destroy people's lives over silliness like this. What happened to "stick and stones will break my bones but names will never matter"?

The fraternity and the University showed no political courage and allowed the politically correct/ thought police to run them out of town.

I am getting so tired of elitist educators turning their noses up at the rest of us. Its enough to make you want tobarf

Obama/Holder/de Blasio/Sharpton ,etc have done more recently to opened up a wound that was healing quite well.

Welcome to back to the future

With so much nonsense posted on this forum (racist this, racist that), the above post was worth repeating as an excellent, well written, and well thought out post on this subject matter. My thoughts on this matter are very similar. Unfortunately, I feel that the university missed out on a real opportunity to educate these students (pun intended). Yes, consequences need to be paid, but I do not believe that expulsion was the most intelligent first choice. I would rather they had been made to do some type of community service or other activity to hopefully educate them as to their ignorance. Give people a chance to right their wrongs, especially at this young and impressionable age - give them an opportunity to see things from a different perspective and hopefully change their thinking and attitudes. Then, if these students continue to cause similar problems on campus, go ahead and expel them. I just think it was a missed opportunity by the university to perhaps make a difference - too bad.

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With so much nonsense posted on this forum (racist this, racist that), the above post was worth repeating as an excellent, well written, and well thought out post on this subject matter. My thoughts on this matter are very similar. Unfortunately, I feel that the university missed out on a real opportunity to educate these students (pun intended). Yes, consequences need to be paid, but I do not believe that expulsion was the most intelligent first choice. I would rather they had been made to do some type of community service or other activity to hopefully educate them as to their ignorance. Give people a chance to right their wrongs, especially at this young and impressionable age - give them an opportunity to see things from a different perspective and hopefully change their thinking and attitudes. Then, if these students continue to cause similar problems on campus, go ahead and expel them. I just think it was a missed opportunity by the university to perhaps make a difference - too bad.

Excellent post(s) .. thanks 😊

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These fraternity kids from OK exactly how many stores did they rob? How many autos did they set on fire? How many rocks, cans sticks, etc did they throw at cops? How many innocent people did they accost?

Even though you make some excellent points, they are politically incorrect and thus not allowed by some people (eg the Klan name caller) because their heads will involuntarily erupt

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Excellent post(s) .. thanks 😊

You hands down definitely win the white sheet award. I'll even through in the lighter fluid. You have no decency at all!

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it must be difficult trying to see through the belly button:1rotfl:

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You hands down definitely win the white sheet award. I'll even through in the lighter fluid. You have no decency at all!

Wow! You are one messed up, dude. I'm almost tempted to fund your most needed therapy sessions. Sorry (not so much to you) but to the other posters on here, I don't usually respond so personally to someone's post, but I do wish the moderators would stop this nonsense!

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Wow! You are one messed up, dude. I'm almost tempted to fund your most needed therapy sessions. Sorry (not so much to you) but to the other posters on here, I don't usually respond so personally to someone's post, but I do wish the moderators would stop this nonsense!

Not exactly sure who it is, but have my suspicions and if so, same character doing what he does best. He just keeps coming back with different names.

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:popcorn:You hands down definitely win the white sheet award. I'll even through in the lighter fluid. You have no decency at all!




Actually, given your steady stream of vituperative rants, I've concluded your suffering from some type of breakdown, or are possibly mentally deranged.

You truly need to get a grip ...

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Expulsion was harsh.

However, maybe being suspended for a year would have been more justified. Of course, the reason for suspension would go on permanent record and transcripts.

Community service is treated as a joke by college kids, especially frat rats.

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Expulsion was harsh.

However, maybe being suspended for a year would have been more justified. Of course, the reason for suspension would go on permanent record and transcripts.

Community service is treated as a joke by college kids, especially frat rats.

You could be right, and I'm all for discipline that is meaningful and makes a point. It's just so ironic to me that liberal thinking is often so weak on this type of thing - often they would rather make a victim of someone who is clearly in the wrong. But God forbid the perp is involved in something like this - then it's "throw the book at them". But then again, it is not unusual that I can't wrap my head around liberal mindset!

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Wow! You are one messed up, dude. I'm almost tempted to fund your most needed therapy sessions. Sorry (not so much to you) but to the other posters on here, I don't usually respond so personally to someone's post, but I do wish the moderators would stop this nonsense!

The sheet fits......wear it!......-
The sad thing is you people see no fault in your posts. Look up the term "cultural relativity"! You demonstrate absolutely no compassion, just hate and not well disguised racism.

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The sheet fits......wear it!......-
The sad thing is you people see no fault in your posts. Look up the term "cultural relativity"! You demonstrate absolutely no compassion, just hate and not well disguised racism.

I have compassion for you because it's clear you are indeed one sick puppy

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The sheet fits......wear it!......-
The sad thing is you people see no fault in your posts. Look up the term "cultural relativity"! You demonstrate absolutely no compassion, just hate and not well disguised racism.

POT meet KETTLE!

Every single post of yours expresses hate and a lack of compassion for those of us with beliefs different than yours. All of your posts attack those with a different view as racist and bigoted.

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The sheet fits......wear it!......-
The sad thing is you people see no fault in your posts. Look up the term "cultural relativity"! You demonstrate absolutely no compassion, just hate and not well disguised racism.

You have demonstarted time and again without compassion, just hate and not well disguised intolerance for ANYTHING in opposition to your beliefs/position/opinions.

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You have demonstarted time and again without compassion, just hate and not well disguised intolerance for ANYTHING in opposition to your beliefs/position/opinions.

Just upset because I called you and your cronies out for what it is, blatant racism.

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Just upset because I called you and your cronies out for what it is, blatant racism.

You are blatantly deranged ... you need to stop posting your garbage which simply wastes everyone's time

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I have as much a right here as you. What's a matter gang of 5 feeling frustrated for being what you are?

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It seems to be a consensus that most on this thread feel expulsion was going overboard by the university.

However, if this happened at a store or factory or office setting, those persons would be fired - which basically is expelled from work.

I would have to go along with the group that believes expulsion was the right choice for the university.