Villages Expansion in Marion County

[janmcn]

According to the on-line news, The Villages is annexing 64 acres in Marion County just south of 42 and will build 300 new homes there. This was announced by Gary Moyer at a District 4 meeting last night.

The new area will be golf cart accessible and have their own rec centers and pools. Additional shopping is planned for that area. Read all about it in a recent article.

[Bizdoc]

Well, so much for the well worn "they'll never build again in Marion County" declaration.

[TheVillageChicken]

Just what I needed...another few hundred folks wanting to play Nancy Lopez.

[villager]

And we had our own little piece of paradise here in the North - no awful traffic, Publix not crazy crowded, quiet, etc. I will enjoy some additional restaurants and/or shopping, though.

[xcaligirl]

Additional shopping and restaurants will be nice... :-)

[rdhdleo]

And we had our own little piece of paradise here in the North - no awful traffic, Publix not crazy crowded, quiet, etc. I will enjoy some additional restaurants and/or shopping, though.
I agree!
Yes we did, sigh....... maybe it won't be bad, time till tell. I'm fine with driving to other restaurants and shopping, Truly hope we don't end up with the congestion they have north of 466. :(

[Jim 9922]

Just what I needed...another few hundred folks wanting to play Nancy Lopez.

And NO talk of building another executive course. Crowding will be worse than on Lopez.:Screen_of_Death:

[LndLocked]

well that's a bummer

[dbussone]

Well, so much for the well worn "they'll never build again in Marion County" declaration.

Maybe they have plans to petition Sumter for annexation.

[chuckinca]

64 Acres = Around 500 houses, 1K people.

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[graciegirl]

64 Acres = Around 500 houses, 1K people.

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OP said three hundred homes, didn't she? Chuck don't you live in Stonecrest?

[mtdjed]

How does The Villages annex? It is not a city, town. They must be buying.

[chuckinca]

OP said three hundred homes, didn't she? Chuck don't you live in Stonecrest?


I just guessed 500 homes.

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[NYGUY]

How does The Villages annex? It is not a city, town. They must be buying.

The article says The Villages already owned the land. That makes it sound like they had just not previously intended to build on it and have now changed their minds (maybe because they couldn't sell it (just speculation on my part)).

[sunnyatlast]

They wouldn't be building more if there weren't buyers chompin' at the bit to buy new homes. Priced in the middle range, they'll all sell in a month.

[onslowe]

Does anyone here have an idea as to the proposed site(s) of these new Marion sites? I am guessing that they would be in the northwest side nearer to The Baptist Church and 301, but I know there's more possibilities more to the east going along 42 to 441, past the VA.

Hope it's only 300 homes… yes, I too am spoiled by our little 'forgotten' piece of paradise. It's better that it be The Villages than some other entity though.

Okay, I just saw an aerial photo and there's one village on the east and the western sides. Neither looks enormous. I'm confused by the red outlining (online paper) since both parcels are set way in from CR42, almost like 'flag lots.' I wondered if the areas abutting 42 and outside the red line were also owned by The Villages but are to remain undeveloped by houses. Maybe they're for future stores/offices?

[bimmertl]

Additional shopping and restaurants will be nice... :-)

You need to actually read the article outlining the proposal. There is no mention at all of additional restaurants. When a resident at the meeting complained about possible overcrowding at the Mulberry Publix Villages legal counsel Steve Roy said the Villages is "hoping" to attract another grocery store to the area.

As usual, TOTV posters create their own set of facts that thrive throughout a thread.

[graciegirl]

You need to actually read the article outlining the proposal. There is no mention at all of additional restaurants. When a resident at the meeting complained about possible overcrowding at the Mulberry Publix Villages legal counsel Steve Roy said the Villages is "hoping" to attract another grocery store to the area.
As usual, TOTV posters create their own set of facts that thrive throughout a thread.


Here is how it works. The Villages is NOT the only people to provide buildings for business around here. When there is a need, people open businesses. Take any city....business comes when the need arises.


The Villages is a success because the Morse family provided at the beginning most of the things that a bunch of folks would need out in the middle of nowhere. Now that we are a big bunch of people, we are a desirable place for grocery stores and other businesses.

Did you just read that Homegoods, Kohls, and Steinmart are soon breaking ground? I will be so glad when every soul who lives here gets the restaurants and businesses they so long for.

I hate negativity.

And I am a big fan of free enterprise.

[Madelaine Amee]

The unmentionable online newspaper gives the following details from last night's meeting ..............

The announcement was made Thursday evening at a special evening session of supervisors of Community Development District 4, where the 300 new homes would be located.

The two new parcels of land making up the combined 64.27 acres are located south of County Road 42. The Villages already owns the parcels.

Motor vehicles will enter these new sections via County Road 42. Golf carts will travel by Clearview Avenue near the First Baptist Church. There is an existing treeline there now.

This is in a beautiful area of TV and I am sure the new homes will complement the existing properties. Marion has stricter building codes than Sumter and requires more land per home.

[Cisco Kid]

So does this delay the build out date ? :loco:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So does this delay the build out date ? :loco:

Build out is a myth.

[Biker Dog]

Build out is a myth.

:agree:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

OP said three hundred homes, didn't she? Chuck don't you live in Stonecrest?

62 acres divided into 1/8 acres lots would give you 512 lots. But, that is a very small lot. I think that most of the lots in The Villages are a bit larger. More importantly, that does not take into account room for roads, recreation centers and pool. 300 is a much more realistic number. If anything it might be a bit ambitious.

What I'm confused about is that, after looking at the map, it doesn't appear that you will be able to access this part of The Villages by car through the rest of The Villages. I think that this would make it the only section, other than one of the family villages, that is cut off from the rest of the development. You would have access by golf cart, but apparently not by car.

[villages07]

There is an article in today's Sun in the A section.... it says they will all be Courtyard villas, so numbers and size make sense.



The online news said each area would have its own pool.... I find that hard to believe given how small each area is.



Stay tuned for more details, I suppose.



I was surprised at this new development, having heard before they would 'never' again build in Marion.



Given their sales volume, 300 houses would only extend buildout by a couple of months.



It's been interesting to watch all this unfold.

[Madelaine Amee]

There is an article in today's Sun in the A section.... it says they will all be Courtyard villas, so numbers and size make sense.
The online news said each area would have its own pool.... I find that hard to believe given how small each area is.
Stay tuned for more details, I suppose.
I was surprised at this new development, having heard before they would 'never' again build in Marion.
Given their sales volume, 300 houses would only extend buildout by a couple of months.
It's been interesting to watch all this unfold.

"Never build again in Marion" - new head of the Morse family bringing new ideas???? Each generation brings their own ideas to the table and I think that is great and good for TV.

[champion6]

How does The Villages annex? It is not a city, town. They must be buying.
The article says The Villages already owned the land. That makes it sound like they had just not previously intended to build on it and have now changed their minds (maybe because they couldn't sell it (just speculation on my part)).According to the Marion county website, the eastern parcel (near VA clinic) was purchased by TV about a year ago - March 2014. The western parcel (near First Baptist Church) apparently was just recently purchased by TV because the owners are still shown to be John & Connie Wise. I don't know how quickly the website is updated.

Both parcels extend up to CR42, so it is easy to picture TV developing the areas along 42 as commercial.

[zcaveman]

62 acres divided into 1/8 acres lots would give you 512 lots. But, that is a very small lot. I think that most of the lots in The Villages are a bit larger. More importantly, that does not take into account room for roads, recreation centers and pool. 300 is a much more realistic number. If anything it might be a bit ambitious.

What I'm confused about is that, after looking at the map, it doesn't appear that you will be able to access this part of The Villages by car through the rest of The Villages. I think that this would make it the only section, other than one of the family villages, that is cut off from the rest of the development. You would have access by golf cart, but apparently not by car.

The Hacienda of Mission Hills (sic) and Bridgeport on 466 (in the middle of the Palmer Riley course) are not accessible through the Villages and neither are the two villa sections right behind the Publix on 42. They are all outside the gates.

Z

[champion6]

There is an article in today's Sun in the A section.... it says they will all be Courtyard villas, so numbers and size make sense.
The online news said each area would have its own pool.... I find that hard to believe given how small each area is.
Stay tuned for more details, I suppose.
I was surprised at this new development, having heard before they would 'never' again build in Marion.
Given their sales volume, 300 houses would only extend buildout by a couple of months.
It's been interesting to watch all this unfold.These might be like the courtyard villas near Brownwood. Both Antrim Dells and Alden Bungalows are villa neighborhoods with pools.

[bagboy]

Who here heard anyone from the Morse family state they would never build in Marion County again?

[2BNTV]

Where is 446?

I think Z meant 466, as 446 was a typo.

I agree with the final build-out date is yet to be determined, as the Morse family ideas continue to evolve. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of land to build additional houses, but what do I know?

Another 300 homes wouldn't kill the master design of TV, as 600 people is a blip on the population radar. I think those people that live in the northwest corner, will be somewhat affected with the additional population, as they like less congestion, in that area.

With the 1920 homes being built in Fruitland Park, that would add another 3,800 people, (accounting for single people buying homes), to the total population. Hopefully, the total population would stay at 115,000 when the snowbirds are here and about 75,000 when they leave. That seems big enough to me but who's to say what is in TV future?

[Bonny]

Here is how it works. The Villages is NOT the only people to provide buildings for business around here. When there is a need, people open businesses. Take any city....business comes when the need arises.


The Villages is a success because the Morse family provided at the beginning most of the things that a bunch of folks would need out in the middle of nowhere. Now that we are a big bunch of people, we are a desirable place for grocery stores and other businesses.

Did you just read that Homegoods, Kohls, and Steinmart are soon breaking ground? I will be so glad when every soul who lives here gets the restaurants and businesses they so long for.

I hate negativity.

And I am a big fan of free enterprise.
I think you meant to type Marshalls, not Kohls, of course, unless I missed something which I do a lot. LOL

[janmcn]

You need to actually read the article outlining the proposal. There is no mention at all of additional restaurants. When a resident at the meeting complained about possible overcrowding at the Mulberry Publix Villages legal counsel Steve Roy said the Villages is "hoping" to attract another grocery store to the area.

As usual, TOTV posters create their own set of facts that thrive throughout a thread.


The Marion County portion of The Villages was completed and sold out in the early 2000's. Mulberry Grove Publix opened in 2003. After over a decade, who really thinks that another grocery store is going to open because of 300 additional homes? IMO Attorney Roy's statement is just blah, blah, blah.

[zcaveman]

Where is 446?

oops!! I meant 466. I will correct original post.

Z

[Cisco Kid]

From the way expansions go over, the next on will be off of RT 666

[graciegirl]

I think you meant to type Marshalls, not Kohls, of course, unless I missed something which I do a lot. LOL


I did mean Marshall's Bonny. Thank you. I will correct my original post.

[rubicon]

The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. It doesn't matter if they do include additional amenities and they are not suppose to, the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.

Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

[champion6]

The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. <snip> I don't think this is what they plan to do. I think there will be 300 home spread over both parcels - the one near the church and the one near the VA clinic.

[Grandfinch]

The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. It doesn't matter if they do include additional amenities and they are not suppose to, the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.

Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

If you say it, I believe it. Now, what is your opinion as to property values as building space becomes tighter and less available. Would that cause values to go up or down. I just have no idea.

Supply goes away, demand goes up?
Overcrowding and The Villages looses its appeal?
I would love to hear opinions fro experts.

[rubicon]

If you say it, I believe it. Now, what is your opinion as to property values as building space becomes tighter and less available. Would that cause values to go up or down. I just have no idea.

Supply goes away, demand goes up?
Overcrowding and The Villages looses its appeal?
I would love to hear opinions fro experts.

I agree . I have friends who bought in Florida and sold because the area in question became overcrowded Think Tampa area along hwy 19. I don't view this as a "I got mine and I don't want you to ave yours" thing. Residents had an opportunity to vote this type of mismanaged expansion down but the developers and real estate industry circulated enough money to defeat it statewide.

So they complain that there is a need for water conservation so The Villages utility has a three tier system to punish people and yet they expand. and this same water district allow Nestle to draw free millions of gallons a day for bottle water being sold elsewhere Florida prides itself for having sunshine Laws but some people aren't aware that there is the meeting and then there is "THE MEETING" which one do you think becomes public record?

Financially in my view it would be economically a poor decision to sell my home for a number of reasons. I do like TV and do understand that others would too but overcrowding kills the golden goose every time

[Polar Bear]

...the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.



Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

"The fact is", "not negative that's just plain reality"??

The fact is...those are statements of your opinion, nothing more.

And to call your post "not negative"? Yeah right.

[dirtbanker]

this same water district allow Nestle to draw free millions of gallons a day for bottle water

Ding, Ding, Ding! Free water that they sell to achieve 7.2 billion in sales (water division only). That is incredible!

[JoMar]

"The fact is", "not negative that's just plain reality"??

The fact is...those are statements of your opinion, nothing more.

And to call your post "not negative"? Yeah right.

rubicon will always give his opinion, some fact based and some just his opinion. He seems to be the glass is half empty kind of guy but always good to see where he comes down on issues on here.

[Polar Bear]

rubicon will always give his opinion, some fact based and some just his opinion. He seems to be the glass is half empty kind of guy but always good to see where he comes down on issues on here.

I know. I enjoy seeing Rubicon's posts also. The my-opinion-is-fact approach tends to tweak me a little sometimes...regardless of the source. :)

[villagerjack]

Plenty of places to live. Go where you are happy. Stay away from where you are not happy. Developers develop. We are lucky to have the one we have...the one with a lot of class.

[villagerjack]

Sounds a little like "Pull the ladder up....I am up"

[villagerjack]

Next time you buy a house, make sure you check with the developer to guarantee your house is the last one he builds.

[twoplanekid]

It concerns me that some elected officials (District 4 managers) were surprised by Village officials on this village expansion as reported in the other paper. The on line paper said and I quote: “ Supervisor Paul Kelly said he would have preferred that supervisors would have had more information about The Villages’ proposal ahead of the meeting.
District Manager Janet Tutt said the last-minute request from The Villages of Lake Sumter Inc. was accommodated “out of respect” for The Villages.”

That same situation was prevalent in my Ohio home city council meetings for several years. The current mayor and his crew are now doing a much better job of providing information in a timely manner to council before issues are addressed. This is how it should be done.

I would hope that The Village staff gives District managers the same courtesy. What’s the rush?

[Mleeja]

I cannot tell for sure, I get the impression that most posters are not in favor of this expansion.

[graciegirl]

I cannot tell for sure, I get the impression that most posters are not in favor of this expansion.


I want to keep the Developers involved in running this place as long as we can. It seems the law suit giving control to homeowners north of 466 established an atmosphere and dealings not nearly as good a way as the way things are run south of 466. They are fussing and fighting over whether we need a line in the middle of the cart paths. I drove a long way today on unlined cart paths. I don't like the nit picking and dumb additions and foolish expenditures that comes from people running communities who have had no previous history doing it.

I am a big fan of how the developers run things.

[Mleeja]

I want to keep the Developers involved in running this place as long as we can. It seems the law suit giving control to homeowners north of 466 established an atmosphere and dealings not nearly as good a way as the way things are run south of 466. They are fussing and fighting over whether we need a line in the middle of the cart paths. I drove a long way today on unlined cart paths. I don't like the nit picking and dumb additions and foolish expenditures that comes from people running communities who have had no previous history doing it.

I am a big fan of how the developers run things.

Good point Gracie. Let's all future posters on this topic state if we are north or south of 466. Me, I am north, will not be much affected either way by this expansion. If we get a couple of good additional resturants out of the expansion, then I am all for it.


BTW, I am in the group who wants stripes on the cart paths..... But a topic for another thread

[Bonny]

Plenty of places to live. Go where you are happy. Stay away from where you are not happy. Developers develop. We are lucky to have the one we have...the one with a lot of class.
I agree. That's what is so awesome. We all have choices. I love it here. The more the merrier. I wouldn't live anywhere else. I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea and that's okay. There are lots of other places to go. I think they are are doing a wonderful job here. We moved here in 2000. We always knew that it was going to be big and I love it.
I love it when you say developer. That's it exactly what they are and what they do. And they do it well. :)

[NIPAS K-9]

so does this delay the build out date ? :loco:
no such thing as a build out date, as long as there is vacant land adjoining the villages and the demand for homes , it will never end.

[twoplanekid]

I want to keep the Developers involved in running this place as long as we can. It seems the law suit giving control to homeowners north of 466 established an atmosphere and dealings not nearly as good a way as the way things are run south of 466. They are fussing and fighting over whether we need a line in the middle of the cart paths. I drove a long way today on unlined cart paths. I don't like the nit picking and dumb additions and foolish expenditures that comes from people running communities who have had no previous history doing it.

I am a big fan of how the developers run things.

I must disagree with you on this point. Elected officials are to have a say in how things should now run in the Villages. Florida statutes set up this type of elected government structure.


Now, the IRS does agree with you in that they believe the developers still run things.

[graciegirl]

I must disagree with you on this point. Elected officials are to have a say in how things should now run in the Villages. Florida statutes set up this type of elected government structure.


Now, the IRS does agree with you in that they believe the developers still run things.


Someone else can discuss this with you. We are still a CDD and elected officials do not run things where I live. AND I LIKE IT BETTER than how Urbana, Ohio is run.

[twoplanekid]

Sorry, but if you live in a residential CDD in Florida per Wikipedia
Control
“The CDD is controlled by a Board of Supervisors (BoS), five individuals elected by the landowners of the district. The board then elects one supervisor as chair, names a secretary and a treasurer who need not be board members, and hires a district manager, who will be responsible for daily operations of the CDD.[1] After six years, the power must begin a transition from the landowners to the residents.[2]”
Now, where do you live?

[graciegirl]

Sorry, but if you live in a residential CDD in Florida per Wikipedia
Control
�The CDD is controlled by a Board of Supervisors (BoS), five individuals elected by the landowners of the district. The board then elects one supervisor as chair, names a secretary and a treasurer who need not be board members, and hires a district manager, who will be responsible for daily operations of the CDD.[1] After six years, the power must begin a transition from the landowners to the residents.[2]�
Now, where do you live?

Boy Howdy.

[rdhdleo]

The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. It doesn't matter if they do include additional amenities and they are not suppose to, the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.

Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

:agree: :BigApplause:

[JoMar]

Sorry, but if you live in a residential CDD in Florida per Wikipedia
Control
�The CDD is controlled by a Board of Supervisors (BoS), five individuals elected by the landowners of the district. The board then elects one supervisor as chair, names a secretary and a treasurer who need not be board members, and hires a district manager, who will be responsible for daily operations of the CDD.[1] After six years, the power must begin a transition from the landowners to the residents.[2]�
Now, where do you live?

The Developer develops and the District manages. The CDD form of government throughout Florida is set by state statute and is not limited to TV.

[twoplanekid]

This Monday, I am taking my brother and a good friend to a Rotary meeting to present a positive and informative program about the Villages. All three of us now own new homes south of Hillsborough Trail and are excited about being able to spend more time here without renting. We will talk about all of the changes that have taken place over the years to create what a beautiful place it is today.

Everyone comes from different places and yet must collaborate to insure that what changes take place in the future will make the Villages even more attractive. We can debate and still be friends I hope.

[Greg Nelson]

Gotta love Florida....but not the traffic!

[karostay]

Hope they add amenities like golf and a square in the area
to accommodate the 300 homes

[rubicon]

"The fact is", "not negative that's just plain reality"??

The fact is...those are statements of your opinion, nothing more.

And to call your post "not negative"? Yeah right.

Hi Polar Bear: We all approach problems/situations in a different manner. I've explained to folks before that I grew up with a father that had a John Wayne mentality meaning a man had to man up. As a kid I once said to him in response to a situation "that ain't fair" He laughed and said no kidding. Actually he used two other words (No ----) but I avoid swearing just not in my DNA that's my mother's influence.

So the issue at hand here is "overcrowding" "Overcrowding carries with it a natural negative connotation, except I am sure in this case The villages Lake-Sumter, Inc., local businesses etc. won't think so nor will politicians because he brings in more income and tax money.

However to ordinary folks like us it has an adverse effect meaning longer lines, more wait times, being pushed off the "free for life"golf courses. etc. To wit ask someone what they felt when their tee time reservation came back "cannot accommodate " This of course makes my opinion not opinion but fact. If I wanted to live in New York City I would have moved there.

My John Wayne mentality upbringing means I face these issues as they are presented and deal with them without the need to sugar coat anything.
Either accepts reality and deal with it or ignores it and lets it work against him/her.

Too often on this forum I read where a poster opines that a member is being too negative when in reality the subject manner is negativity and not the writer .

On the other hand I do like The Villages and in my little corner the surrounding neighbors exhibit all that is good about living here. I thoroughly enjoy their company and find them to be truly caring human beings and frankly the nicest people I have ever met along my travels over the years.

I truly hope I haven't offended you or other posters because my intent was only to express my reality.


Personal Best Regards:

[Madelaine Amee]

I want to keep the Developers involved in running this place as long as we can. It seems the law suit giving control to homeowners north of 466 established an atmosphere and dealings not nearly as good a way as the way things are run south of 466. They are fussing and fighting over whether we need a line in the middle of the cart paths. I drove a long way today on unlined cart paths. I don't like the nit picking and dumb additions and foolish expenditures that comes from people running communities who have had no previous history doing it.

I am a big fan of how the developers run things.

Gracie this underlined statement in your comment is incorrect. The law suit had nothing to do with giving control of running 1 - 4 to the residents. I live within this area and we have exceptional elected officials who listen to their residents wishes.

[graciegirl]

Gracie this underlined statement in your comment is incorrect. The law suit had nothing to do with giving control of running 1 - 4 to the residents. I live within this area and we have exceptional elected officials who listen to their residents wishes.


Read this, Madelaine.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/what-does-settlement-mean-regard-recreation-facilities-management-11447/

[skip0358]

I've said this before IF you think they're done forget about it. Key West is a LONG ways away. Look at all the vacant property around TV. If the price is right they'll buy and when you look at some of the lot premiums they pay for the new land no problem. If you build it they will come. Is it crowded sure, but there's an awful lot here and in the surrounding areas.

[Cisco Kid]

Hi Polar Bear: We all approach problems/situations in a different manner. I've explained to folks before that I grew up with a father that had a John Wayne mentality meaning a man had to man up. As a kid I once said to him in response to a situation "that ain't fair" He laughed and said no kidding. Actually he used two other words (No ----) but I avoid swearing just not in my DNA that's my mother's influence.

So the issue at hand here is "overcrowding" "Overcrowding carries with it a natural negative connotation, except I am sure in this case The villages Lake-Sumter, Inc., local businesses etc. won't think so nor will politicians because he brings in more income and tax money.

However to ordinary folks like us it has an adverse effect meaning longer lines, more wait times, being pushed off the "free for life"golf courses. etc. To wit ask someone what they felt when their tee time reservation came back "cannot accommodate " This of course makes my opinion not opinion but fact. If I wanted to live in New York City I would have moved there.

My John Wayne mentality upbringing means I face these issues as they are presented and deal with them without the need to sugar coat anything.
Either accepts reality and deal with it or ignores it and lets it work against him/her.

Too often on this forum I read where a poster opines that a member is being too negative when in reality the subject manner is negativity and not the writer .

On the other hand I do like The Villages and in my little corner the surrounding neighbors exhibit all that is good about living here. I thoroughly enjoy their company and find them to be truly caring human beings and frankly the nicest people I have ever met along my travels over the years.

I truly hope I haven't offended you or other posters because my intent was only to express my reality.


Personal Best Regards:

My father said this on to me a lot. I thought he coined it.
�Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.�
― John Wayne

[graciegirl]

Hi Polar Bear: We all approach problems/situations in a different manner. I've explained to folks before that I grew up with a father that had a John Wayne mentality meaning a man had to man up. As a kid I once said to him in response to a situation "that ain't fair" He laughed and said no kidding. Actually he used two other words (No ----) but I avoid swearing just not in my DNA that's my mother's influence.

So the issue at hand here is "overcrowding" "Overcrowding carries with it a natural negative connotation, except I am sure in this case The villages Lake-Sumter, Inc., local businesses etc. won't think so nor will politicians because he brings in more income and tax money.

However to ordinary folks like us it has an adverse effect meaning longer lines, more wait times, being pushed off the "free for life"golf courses. etc. To wit ask someone what they felt when their tee time reservation came back "cannot accommodate " This of course makes my opinion not opinion but fact. If I wanted to live in New York City I would have moved there.

My John Wayne mentality upbringing means I face these issues as they are presented and deal with them without the need to sugar coat anything.
Either accepts reality and deal with it or ignores it and lets it work against him/her.

Too often on this forum I read where a poster opines that a member is being too negative when in reality the subject manner is negativity and not the writer .

On the other hand I do like The Villages and in my little corner the surrounding neighbors exhibit all that is good about living here. I thoroughly enjoy their company and find them to be truly caring human beings and frankly the nicest people I have ever met along my travels over the years.

I truly hope I haven't offended you or other posters because my intent was only to express my reality.


Personal Best Regards:

Excellent post Rubicon. I can't say how I respect your posts and how I value them. Lately they felt a little different and I hoped you were still happy here.

Your fan,

Gracie

[dbussone]

Good point Gracie. Let's all future posters on this topic state if we are north or south of 466. Me, I am north, will not be much affected either way by this expansion. If we get a couple of good additional resturants out of the expansion, then I am all for it.


BTW, I am in the group who wants stripes on the cart paths..... But a topic for another thread

We live south of 466A - coming up on our 3rd year in May. It is exciting and wonderful to live here in TV. The developer has done a wicked good job and I see no signs of that changing.

[villagerjack]

We live south of 466A - coming up on our 3rd year in May. It is exciting and wonderful to live here in TV. The developer has done a wicked good job and I see no signs of that changing.

You said it! Thanks.

[Bonny]

We live south of 466A - coming up on our 3rd year in May. It is exciting and wonderful to live here in TV. The developer has done a wicked good job and I see no signs of that changing.
15 years here and we also think they have done a wicked good job !! :thumbup:

[villagerjack]

15 years here and we also think they have done a wicked good job !! :thumbup:



Me too!

[asianthree]

Sent my parents for the first time to our house. At home the sit in the house and watch TV and sleep. Here they have gone shopping visited as many rec centers they could find and got lost three times. It's the best time ever as my mom said. Thanks the the developer senior life can be improved

[romanpaula]

Supply (of homes) will only increase, 10-15 yrs from now 50% of the ppl who live here now will not be here. I'm not sure this community will meet the needs of those retiring during that timeframe.

What is the deal with the build out, what is it and why is that important, would someone explain pls.

[Bonny]

Supply (of homes) will only increase, 10-15 yrs from now 50% of the ppl who live here now will not be here. I'm not sure this community will meet the needs of those retiring during that timeframe.

What is the deal with the build out, what is it and why is that important, would someone explain pls.
No big deal. The Villages a few times have speculated on an approximate build out time (when all the Villages will be done). Then all of a sudden there is some more property & more homes going in. Some people get fixated with the word buildout. The developers will continue to develop as long as they can find places to develop. LOL :D

[twoplanekid]

Read this, Madelaine.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/what-does-settlement-mean-regard-recreation-facilities-management-11447/


Here is some additional reading for those that care.

Class action settlement notice to Villages residents.
http://www.poa4us.org/classaction_files/VCCDD%20Settlement%20Notice.pdf
Article from the Orlando Sentinel on March 9, 2008 about the settlement
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/villages09_1_villages-retirement-community-swimming-pools)
And the Tampa Bay Times
State: The Villages developer settles lawsuit (http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/10/State/The_Villages_develope.shtml)

[perrjojo]

[QUOTE=twoplanekid;1028683]Here is some additional reading for those that care.

Class action settlement notice to Villages residents.
http://www.poa4us.org/classaction_files/VCCDD%20Settlement%20Notice.pdf
Article from the Orlando Sentinel on March 9, 2008 about the settlement
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-03-09/news/villages09_1_villages-retirement-community-swimming-pools)
And the Tampa Bay Times
State: he Villages developer settles lawsuit (http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/10/State/The_Villages_develope.shtml)[/QUOT


These things happened in 2008. What is the point of this post other than to say that the developer does the right thing in the end.. Ok, so it took some pressure but it all worked in the residents favor.

[Skybo]

Supply (of homes) will only increase, 10-15 yrs from now 50% of the ppl who live here now will not be here. I'm not sure this community will meet the needs of those retiring during that timeframe.

What is the deal with the build out, what is it and why is that important, would someone explain pls.

What? 50% of the current TV population will be gone in 10-15 years? Where in the world did you get those figures from?

And I don't understand what you mean when you say that this "community won't meet the needs of those retiring during that timeframe". Please explain.

Build-out means that there will be no more new homes built. And when that happens, only resale homes will be available. No offense, but if you don't know what build-out means or why it is important, then how did you come to the conclusion that supply of homes will "only increase"?

[Polar Bear]

"Build-out" is a term used to describe when there will be no more building of new homes in a community. It is usually spoken of in discussions predicting the future, and rarely occurs at the time specified in those predictions.

[buzzy]

Perhaps the next generation of retirees will not be interested in this type of lifestyle, or not able to afford it. Or, there could be lots of other retirement communities on the moon.

[T-325]

Growth on the south of The Villages..expansion on the SE, revitalizing the NE...now a little expansion on the NW.

From a 40,000 foot view the developers are keeping the WHOLE property fresh. Trying to prevent one section from being deemed the older section.

Pretty smart imo.

[shcisamax]

I agree. Very smart.

[joldnol]

one would think two new pools would be attractive in an area with a lack of pools

[romanpaula]

The stats are from a real estate article about TV, do the math and sure you'll get what the writer is implying.

About future retirees and if this is the lifestyle that will appeal to them . . . 15 yrs from now I'll be 'eligible' to retire, not sure how TV will evolve and look by then, just sayin.

[graciegirl]

The stats are from a real estate article about TV, do the math and sure you'll get what the writer is implying.

About future retirees and if this is the lifestyle that will appeal to them . . . 15 yrs from now I'll be 'eligible' to retire, not sure how TV will evolve and look by then, just sayin.

You are very well planned romanpaula. When I was in my forties, I saved, but I had no goal at that time as to where I would want to live. Or any worries that this not specific place would be there. Just saved our bucks so that the choices we wanted to make would be a possibility.

I was working hard in my forties. Not thinking about retirement then.

[asianthree]

Next gen are already looking and some buying, they have been visiting parents. After that I don't think I will be here for the third gen retiring

[rubicon]

Perhaps the next generation of retirees will not be interested in this type of lifestyle, or not able to afford it. Or, there could be lots of other retirement communities on the moon.

Hi buzzy: That is a very good observation

[rubicon]

Excellent post Rubicon. I can't say how I respect your posts and how I value them. Lately they felt a little different and I hoped you were still happy here.

Your fan,

Gracie

Hi GG I am still happy here and what you are sensing really boils down to I should have taken my nap before I logged on to TOTV:D:D

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The Marion County portion of The Villages was completed and sold out in the early 2000's. Mulberry Grove Publix opened in 2003. After over a decade, who really thinks that another grocery store is going to open because of 300 additional homes? IMO Attorney Roy's statement is just blah, blah, blah.

I think that he was talking about the Colony area. A resident complained about over crowding at the Colony Publix and he said that they were trying to attract another grocery store to that area.

[perrjojo]

The stats are from a real estate article about TV, do the math and sure you'll get what the writer is implying.

About future retirees and if this is the lifestyle that will appeal to them . . . 15 yrs from now I'll be 'eligible' to retire, not sure how TV will evolve and look by then, just sayin.

What life style do you imagine will be appealing in 15 years? I have seen TV change fron basically a golf community to picklleball, bocce and many more new sports added. TV is constantly evolving to accomidate changing attitudes.

The biggest drawback that I see for future retirees is not having pensions and adequate savings. They may have to work forever.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I want to keep the Developers involved in running this place as long as we can. It seems the law suit giving control to homeowners north of 466 established an atmosphere and dealings not nearly as good a way as the way things are run south of 466. They are fussing and fighting over whether we need a line in the middle of the cart paths. I drove a long way today on unlined cart paths. I don't like the nit picking and dumb additions and foolish expenditures that comes from people running communities who have had no previous history doing it.

I am a big fan of how the developers run things.

I agree, Gracie. I've been involved in too many things where people who had no idea of what they were doing outvoted professionals. It's always best to let professionals do their job.

In condos where the residents run the place, you often have committees made up of people with their own little agenda and are not always interested in the overall welfare of the development.

I think that the developer of The Villages has done an incredible job in creating a lifestyle for all of us. Do I agree with every single little decision that has been made? Probably not, but like you say, we can nit pick things to death. and how many of us have an opinion based on "How will this affect me?" as opposed to "Is this better for the residents overall?"

Like I said, give professionals a job to do and get out of their way.

[Grandfinch]

Hi GG I am still happy here and what you are sensing really boils down to I should have taken my nap before I logged on to TOTV:D:D

I sure don't want to give either of you a bigger head than you already have, but when I am on the fence on an issue, I look to Rubicon and Gracie's take on the issue to give me clarity. You two have a finger on the pulse of the Villages.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Hope they add amenities like golf and a square in the area
to accommodate the 300 homes


A square for 300 people? How many people do you think are serviced by Spanish Springs Town Square?

It's three miles from SS to LSL. So draw a line 1-1/2 miles below SS Town Square and all of those people tend to go to that square. It's about eight miles from LSL to Brownwood. so draw a line 1-1/2 mile north of LSL and another one about 4 miles south of it and that's how many people LSL was meant for.

if everything was planned from the beginning, and we know it wasn't, we would have one square for every 35,000 people. Six hundred additional people in a development of 110,000 is nothing.

By the way, speaking of "build out"; would anyone be surprised if The Villages acquired and developed land south of Rte 44?

Why would they ever stop buying land and developing? The people that do these kinds of things are success orientated type A personalities. A success is never enough. They are never satisfied. They teach their children to be the same way so that when they die they will continue doing what they did. And that's fine with me, as long as they continue to do it in the manner that they have done it by providing enough amenities and shopping.

There will be bumps along the road and sometimes housing development will outgrown the retail development, but as long as a company sees a lot of people in an area, they will want to put a store there. Publix is a great example. The saw the development with Brownwood and put a new Publix in there. Colony is a problem right now, but I have no doubt that another grocery store, probably Winn Dixie will see an opportunity to make more money and get in there to ease some of the congestion. Look at 27/441. There are two Publix within a mile of one another.

Have some of the people that normally shop at the Colony Publix thought about going to one on Wedgewood Lane? Is that one just as crowded. Believe me, if there is that much supermarket business going on in a small area, another supermarket will be looking to get some of it. or Publix may come to the conclusion that it's going to lose some of it's business to another chain and put another store in. Retail development will always lag behind residential development and I would guess that the overcrowding at Colony is temporary.

[Grandfinch]

If memory serves me correctly, our realtor told us that town squares are designed to provide a free entertainment venue for each 40 to 45,000 residents. I would not expect an additional Square for 300 homes.

[janmcn]

I think that he was talking about the Colony area. A resident complained about over crowding at the Colony Publix and he said that they were trying to attract another grocery store to that area.

"When a resident complained about overcrowding at the Mulberry Grove Publix, Roy indicated that The Villages is trying to attract another grocery store to that area".

Read the article at the on-line news website.

[Shimpy]

. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.
Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

Drive down Buena Vista south of 466 to 466A and look to the west, then south of 466A to 44 and look west and east and see how much land they have left undeveloped. Many other builders would have used all of this. I don't know if these hundreds of acres were left undeveloped by state law or it was the builders choice. Whatever the reason it is nice to see some nature.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Drive down Buena Vista south of 466 to 466A and look to the west, then south of 466A to 44 and look west and east and see how much land they have left undeveloped. Many other builders would have used all of this. I don't know if these hundreds of acres were left undeveloped by state law or it was the builders choice. Whatever the reason it is nice to see some nature.

Get in a small plane someday and fly over the area at about 1500 feet. You'll be shocked at how much undeveloped land there is.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The more I think about this, the size of The Villages will eventually be limited naturally. There are going to be a limited number of people who are retired in this country at any one time. Of those, not all are going to move to a retirement home. Of those that do, only a certain percentage are going to choose Florida. My sister wants to retire to Maine believe it or not. Of those that decide to move to Florida, it may be hard to believe, but not all will choose The Villages. So once the selling of new homes slows, The Villages will have reached their limit and people coming in will replace people leaving. Retirees are not an unlimited market. At some point the developers will realize that they have maxed out and will stop building.

[Topspinmo]

one would think two new pools would be attractive in an area with a lack of pools

Yes it would as long as the other facilities come with it like tennis courts, pickleball courts, Especially pickleball courts which are lacking north.

I have no problem with expansions as long as Basic amenities comes with it. As far as no vehicle access should not greatly effect traffic IMO

[Topspinmo]

The more I think about this, the size of The Villages will eventually be limited naturally. There are going to be a limited number of people who are retired in this country at any one time. Of those, not all are going to move to a retirement home. Of those that do, only a certain percentage are going to choose Florida. My sister wants to retire to Maine believe it or not. Of those that decide to move to Florida, it may be hard to believe, but not all will choose The Villages. So once the selling of new homes slows, The Villages will have reached their limit and people coming in will replace people leaving. Retirees are not an unlimited market. At some point the developers will realize that they have maxed out and will stop building.

IMO the villages compete very well with other retirement communities. great price and affordable for most all no matter how much money you have place for all right now. Maybe not so for lesser income in ten or twenty years, but right now they compete very well for what you get IMO

Will they quit building? Only when they become bored and tired of doing it IMO. when that happens lots of people will lost jobs.

[champion6]

From the online news site:
A public meeting will be held April 7 to discuss The Villages� plan to add 300 courtyard villas in CDD 4.

It is anticipated that much more will be learned about The Villages� plan to build the 300 homes, two neighborhood recreation centers and two swimming pools in the Marion County section of The Villages.

The April 7 meeting will begin at 1 p.m. and will be held at Mulberry Grove Recreation Center.

[LndLocked]

An informal polling of people at our monthly neighborhood pot luck (in a neighborhood within close proximity of both proposed new developments) found:

- 60%+ not thrilled (most concerned about losing the peace & quite the enjoy up here, with the local Publix becoming Colony Publix part 2 and dumping hundreds of additional golf carts on Clearview / Calumet Ave, which is how the new neighborhood to the west will access existing TV)

- 30% VERY unhappy (see above reasons .... just feel stronger about it)

- 10% welcome new potential development with open arms

[Indydealmaker]

An informal polling of people at our monthly neighborhood pot luck (in a neighborhood within close proximity of both proposed new developments) found:

- 60%+ not thrilled (most concerned about losing the peace & quite the enjoy up here, with the local Publix becoming Colony Publix part 2 and dumping hundreds of additional golf carts on Clearview / Calumet Ave, which is how the new neighborhood to the west will access existing TV)

- 30% VERY unhappy (see above reasons .... just feel stronger about it)

- 10% welcome new potential development with open arms

I wonder if that 90% have stopped to think that at one time, they probably had predecessors here that felt the same way about the expansion that became the homes for the 90%.

[LndLocked]

I wonder if that 90% have stopped to think that at one time, they probably had predecessors here that felt the same way about the expansion that became the homes for the 90%.

How far back can we take that?

Should the pilgrims have stopped to think that just maybe the Native Americans would have been just as happy if they stayed in Europe?

[Topspinmo]

How far back can we take that?

Should the pilgrims have stopped to think that just maybe the Native Americans would have been just as happy if they stayed in Europe?

Wouldn't of mattered the spainish would illuminated :boom: them just like the did in south, central, America, and south west North America. The French would come south and north from Canada and Louisiana.

[ukbill70]

The Villages will never have BUILD OUT while land is still available. Chicago.New York,Atlanta congestion is just a few years away.

[graciegirl]

The Villages will never have BUILD OUT while land is still available. Chicago.New York,Atlanta congestion is just a few years away.


Yes, but...we get to watch it....as long as we can.

[Mleeja]

The Villages will never have BUILD OUT while land is still available. Chicago.New York,Atlanta congestion is just a few years away.

I get your point, but Chicago, New York, Atlanta in a few years?!? That is a bit of an overstatment....

[billethkid]

300....THREE HUNDRED...300.....more homes......600....six hundred more people!!!!

How about buying and building here in 2004....population 35,000....nothing South of 466 on either Buena Vista or Morse.

Now.....105,000.....

And during that time TV has only gotten better and better.

Relax and continue enjoying the lifestyle you have had here all along.....300 homes or 600 people (if they stay year around) is not gonna steal anybody's peace and quiet.

[asianthree]

It has been amazing since 2007. I love the changes every time we come

[NYGUY]

The Villages will never have BUILD OUT while land is still available. Chicago.New York,Atlanta congestion is just a few years away.

WOW....then we are going to have at least 1,000,000 a year buying over the next few years....can't wait to see that..:MOJE_whot:

[Polar Bear]

...Chicago.New York,Atlanta congestion is just a few years away.
:1rotfl:

[VT2TV]

An informal polling of people at our monthly neighborhood pot luck (in a neighborhood within close proximity of both proposed new developments) found:

- 60%+ not thrilled (most concerned about losing the peace & quite the enjoy up here, with the local Publix becoming Colony Publix part 2 and dumping hundreds of additional golf carts on Clearview / Calumet Ave, which is how the new neighborhood to the west will access existing TV)

- 30% VERY unhappy (see above reasons .... just feel stronger about it)

- 10% welcome new potential development with open arms



I understand and even sympathize with your concerns. But that is no where near the congestion and crowding we live with every day in the St Charles/St James area and south of that. The parking lot at Colony is crowded at Publix just about 24/7. The 300 houses and golf carts aren't going to affect your area nearly that much.

[skip0358]

The developer owns the land, the land is vacant and he wants to develop it. If the county says OK then people may not like it but that's what he's going to do period. The super market is crowded which one isn't will another chain come in maybe. Rumor has it another Publix is going down on Rt.44 to help with the crowding on the south side. If you think buildout is done, I sure don't think so. There's to much land around and IF the demand continues so will the building. We may not all like it but I'll bet VERY few will leave because of it.

[graciegirl]

The developer owns the land, the land is vacant and he wants to develop it. If the county says OK then people may not like it but that's what he's going to do period. The super market is crowded which one isn't will another chain come in maybe. Rumor has it another Publix is going down on Rt.44 to help with the crowding on the south side. If you think buildout is done, I sure don't think so. There's to much land around and IF the demand continues so will the building. We may not all like it but I'll bet VERY few will leave because of it.

Your mother didn't have any dumb kids and I am pretty sure you are the smartest of the bunch.

I so like the common sense posts that filter in every once in awhile.

Like YOURS above. So glad you are part of this forum Skip.

[slipcovers]

I understand and even sympathize with your concerns. But that is no where near the congestion and crowding we live with every day in the St Charles/St James area and south of that. The parking lot at Colony is crowded at Publix just about 24/7. The 300 houses and golf carts aren't going to affect your area nearly that much.

The Winn Dixie near you is certainly not crowed and the Publix near you, off Powell is empty. An easy drive from Colony.

[rdhdleo]

300....THREE HUNDRED...300.....more homes......600....six hundred more people!!!!

How about buying and building here in 2004....population 35,000....nothing South of 466 on either Buena Vista or Morse.

Now.....105,000.....

And during that time TV has only gotten better and better.

Relax and continue enjoying the lifestyle you have had here all along.....300 homes or 600 people (if they stay year around) is not gonna steal anybody's peace and quiet.

Just wondering if you live in the area in question? Many of us do and yes with Buena Vista as the one main though street and only one Publix which is crowded now if they are full time yes it will affect us. I understand progress. That said this is a long established area and when "planned" was not "planned" for 300 more homes and the potential for 500-600 more people. But this of course is just the opinion of someone who has lived in that area for going on 13 years now.

[Polar Bear]

Just wondering if you live in the area in question? Many of us do and yes with Buena Vista as the one main though street and only one Publix which is crowded now if they are full time yes it will affect us. I understand progress. That said this is a long established area and when "planned" was not "planned" for 300 more homes and the potential for 500-600 more people. But this of course is just the opinion of someone who has lived in that area for going on 13 years now.
I sympathize with your concerns. But if a plan is looked at as rigid with no possibility of change, then it is being looked at unrealistically. Sure, infrastructure and other issues must be addressed, but plans change.

[janmcn]

I sympathize with your concerns. But if a plan is looked at as rigid with no possibility of change, then it is being looked at unrealistically. Sure, infrastructure and other issues must be addressed, but plans change.


This should be a wake-up call for every resident of all parts of The Villages to be aware that there could be additional building in your neighborhood. Look around and see if there are any open spaces near you.

[er9027]

The Villages is negotiating to purchase 200 acres or more north of County Road 466A and east of County Road 462 to develop The Villages of Wildwood.

The Villages of Wildwood would consist of neighborhoods of single-family home similar to the recent Villages expansion into Fruitland Park, according Wildwood city officials, who said project details such as the number of lots are not yet available.

[er9027]

Looks like more property will be available. Saturation some day soon?

[villagerjack]

Looks like more property will be available. Saturation some day soon?


What do you mean by "saturation"?

[villagerjack]

The Winn Dixie near you is certainly not crowed and the Publix near you, off Powell is empty. An easy drive from Colony.

Exactly, I was at Winn Dixie last evening and it was almost empty. Got what I needed and left.

[dbussone]

Looks like more property will be available. Saturation some day soon?

Likely only if we stretch from Jacksonville to Orlando. A MM path to Disney and the beach would be wicked nice!

[Chi-Town]

What concerns me isn't the expansion of The Villages into adjacent properties, it's the expansion of non Villages entities into those properties. The hundreds of homes planned west on Rainey Trail past The Village of Bridgeport at Miona Shores come to mind as an example. We know what we get The Villages property is developed, pure class. What do we get from other developers? Who knows. But just take a look over your shoulder next time you play Tarpon Boil (3rd or 4th hole or so).

[Steve9930]

I think this sounds like a great idea. More jobs for the area.

[njbchbum]

This should be a wake-up call for every resident of all parts of The Villages to be aware that there could be additional building in your neighborhood. Look around and see if there are any open spaces near you.

Did just that before we bought in The Villages. It is another reason why we bought on the historic side - besides the convenient access to a major highway and multiple local shopping areas [and 2 grocery stores] and a bricks/mortar post office! And now we are benefitting from all of the new homes the developer is building here!

[ping]

Not thrilled with the potential of more traffic. My understanding is the area will have their own pool and rec center, but what about an additional golf course or two. With the addition of so many homes, the few courses in this area, it will be impossible to get a tee time. To address these issues, There is a meeting at Mulberry Center on April 7 at 1 pm.....be sure to attend and voice your concerns. Complaining on the forum after the fact just won't cut it. As they say, speak now or forever....!!

[graciegirl]

Not thrilled with the potential of more traffic. My understanding is the area will have their own pool and rec center, but what about an additional golf course or two. With the addition of so many homes, the few courses in this area, it will be impossible to get a tee time. To address these issues, There is a meeting at Mulberry Center on April 7 at 1 pm.....be sure to attend and voice your concerns. Complaining on the forum after the fact just won't cut it. As they say, speak now or forever....!!

Why should it be any different than the expansion that has been going on for all the years we have lived here? Good grief.

We olders have a way of getting our knickers in a hitch. Look for trouble and conspiracies.

I am SO glad The Villages run things completely south of 466, may they always stay. When the company comes home and all of the folks who drive up or down to SEE The Villages go home, the traffic will drop to normal crazy people.

[jbdlfan]

We live in Chatham. Previously we lived in Piedmont. I have never ....ever not been able to get a tee time. I never.... ever not been able to get into Lopez to eat or drink. I have never.... ever had an issue at Mulberry Publix. I seriously doubt 5-600 people will have any negative influence on any of those situations. Not to mention, some of those folks will definitely be seasonal so we will see maybe a bit of inconvenience. We look forward to a few more folks in our area, as long as they don't develop north of 42. (which will never happen)

[billethkid]

As if a few hundred here or a 1000 more there will make a big difference in the 105,000 already here.

The time to be awake is when one is looking and thinking of a purchase, not after.

TV did not get to 105,000 with people not being aware of what and where they were buying.

Relax and enjoy the lifestyle you bought here....it hasn't changed.

[peteal48]

Will The Villages expansion ever end?

[dbussone]

We live in Chatham. Previously we lived in Piedmont. I have never ....ever not been able to get a tee time. I never.... ever not been able to get into Lopez to eat or drink. I have never.... ever had an issue at Mulberry Publix. I seriously doubt 5-600 people will have any negative influence on any of those situations. Not to mention, some of those folks will definitely be seasonal so we will see maybe a bit of inconvenience. We look forward to a few more folks in our area, as long as they don't develop north of 42. (which will never happen)

Where TV is concerned, I would never say never.

[lightworker888]

Isn't one of the things you look for when purchasing, the surrounding area and the possibility of new development? If there is open space around you, including farm area, you cannot guarantee that it won't be developed. I am really thankful that there seems to be a limit on how high a building can be, as many residential areas up north have been really changed by the building of high rise condos, many with 3-5 buildings together. Now that really changes your vista and the price of your house. That is why I think that if you are really concerned about what your surroundings will be, then looking at resales becomes a really good choice.

I came down mid February this year and I really didn't notice that Publix at Colony was too crowded. It is easier to park closer with a cart but I have always found a spot for the car that didn't require hiking. And from BV it really is close to get to WD although I prefer Publix for most things. But it takes time for people to change their shopping habits, so I think it will take some time for the WD business to build. But the Publix at Grand Traverse seems to be a reasonable option if you are really upset by crowds.

I really like the way TV has evolved and trust that the same care will be given to any new development. Like someone stated earlier, as long as there is land around, you can't rule out future development, whether homes or retail. So I would purchase accordingly, based on what you can feel at peace with. Just my 2 cents.

LW888