Are you tipping enough?

[Ozzello]

I live here full time. When I eat out (several times a week), I tip at least 20%. More if I feel the waitress/waiter provided good service. They don't even make minimum wage before tips. After taxes, most make about 50 bucks a week on their paychecks.

I hear it is common during 'season' for a few of the folks that stay here only a month or 2 during the winter, to sit down with 5, 6 or more people for a dinner, and tip 5 or 10% (or less even), like they do in Canada (where they make a LOT more by the hour) , or in Europe.

A 'comped' tip on your bill would be 18%. I know it isn't because you don't have the money, that you aren't tipping a fair rate. I am going to figure it is because you didn't know, and now that you read this ... you know. In my opinion, tipping a waitress/waiter anything less than 18% is stealing from them.

Most folks do tip properly, and some maybe didn't know what should be tipped in this part of the world. Some of you knew, don't, and never will. I feel sorry for you almost as much as I do for the people who wait on you.

[golf2140]

Nice post

[2BNTV]

Always tip 20% minimum and sometimes more if service is excellent. That's 20% of the bill excluding the tax portion.

My son works in hotel management and servers have families to support and do the things everyone else does.

Do not penalized the server if the cook made a bad meal of what you ordered.

Any complaints should be handled by management in an appropriate fashion.

Management doesn't always do the right thing but they should, if they want repeat business.

[durmax]

Where do you get your information on Canadian tipping? Yes on a per hour rate they are paid more but depending on the service ne ver heard in 60 years any one tipping less than 15 - 20 percent and remember while in the u.s.a. Add the current 25 percent dollar difference! Why do Americans not pay their employees more to live on ?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When did 20% become the standard? For as long as I can remember it was always a minimum of 15% for good service and more for excellent service. I usually tip 20% as long as the service is decent, but will tip 10% or less if I feel that the server is not doing his or her job.

I was at World of Beer last year having a few exotic beers and the server spent the entire time I was there talking to her friends. She came over once when my glass was still 90% full and asked if I wanted another. When I finished my beer, it was ten minutes before she could tear herself away to ask if I wanted anything else. I ordered a different beer and it took her five minutes to bring it. It's not that she was busy. she had plenty of time to talk with other people at the bar. My bill came to $9 and change. I left a ten and walked away. She was probably cursing me out as some old cheapskate, but the service was truly terrible.

[Ozzello]

Where do you get your information on Canadian tipping? Yes on a per hour rate they are paid more but depending on the service ne ver heard in 60 years any one tipping less than 15 - 20 percent and remember while in the u.s.a. Add the current 25 percent dollar difference! Why do Americans not pay their employees more to live on ?

What I heard, was that the waitresses and waiters in Canada made a bit more than $5 an hour, not needing as high a percentage for tips.

"Americans not paying employees enough to live on" is a fairly broad statement. Pretty sure there is a broad spectrum of pay scales for 'American employees' .... some are actually making enough to live on.

[Ozzello]

When did 20% become the standard? For as long as I can remember it was always a minimum of 15% for good service and more for excellent service. I usually tip 20% as long as the service is decent, but will tip 10% or less if I feel that the server is not doing his or her job.

I was at World of Beer last year having a few exotic beers and the server spent the entire time I was there talking to her friends. She came over once when my glass was still 90% full and asked if I wanted another. When I finished my beer, it was ten minutes before she could tear herself away to ask if I wanted anything else. I ordered a different beer and it took her five minutes to bring it. It's not that she was busy. she had plenty of time to talk with other people at the bar. My bill came to $9 and change. I left a ten and walked away. She was probably cursing me out as some old cheapskate, but the service was truly terrible.

18% is the standard. 20% is easier to figure up in my head so....

[Polar Bear]

When did 20% become the standard? For as long as I can remember it was always a minimum of 15% for good service and more for excellent service. I usually tip 20% as long as the service is decent, but will tip 10% or less if I feel that the server is not doing his or her job...
That's pretty much my position.

[Shimpy]

18% is the standard. 20% is easier to figure up in my head so....

Yea, me too. Easy to figure 20% so that is what it is.

[Bogie Shooter]

What I heard, was that the waitresses and waiters in Canada made a bit more than $5 an hour, not needing as high a percentage for tips.

"Americans not paying employees enough to live on" is a fairly broad statement. Pretty sure there is a broad spectrum of pay scales for 'American employees' .... some are actually making enough to live on.

Broad statement? So is "I heard".

[redwitch]

And please don't forget to tip what the bill would actually be, not what you got discounted because of coupons or a two-for-one special. Ditto if part of your meal was comped.

and remember that the server not only makes well below minimum wage, but must help pay the salaries of co-workers such as the hostess, barback, busboy, etc. and that is figured at 18% of the tab regardless of the actual tip. Plus the IRS figures the income at 18% percent of the total tab.

I remember one evening when my daughter came home in tears. Most of her shift was spent on a large group that stayed for more than three hours. Ultimately, they left her a ten percent tip after commenting to the manager what a great server she was. That table cost her almost ten dollars out of her own pocket in tipping out co-workers and that's not counting the tables she could have served had these folks stayed a reasonable time and tipped fairly. She actually worked for free that evening since she paid out more than what she made for her shift.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

18% is the standard. 20% is easier to figure up in my head so....


It wasn't too long ago that 15% was the standard. I've noticed it going up over the years. I've seen some things that recommend 25%. I worked as a bartender and I understand that servers live off their tips. But I also understand that the minimum amount gets reported for taxes and that a lot of servers make a lot of money.

[Ozzello]

Broad statement? So is "I heard".

Nope, "what I heard" would be hearsay. A broad statement, is different.

[sunnyatlast]

18% is the standard. 20% is easier to figure up in my head so....

That's what I do too.

Once you've been a server, you realize that the servers take all the flak out on the front lines, when the problem is often the cooks and/or spineless shift managers.

And sometimes, I over-tip simply because they need the money. I'll get along fine without those extra $2 or $3 in addition to the 15-20%.

I like encouraging people--especially young parents--to work and earn for their families, and work their way up to better positions or other job opportunities. Serving is a great place to meet clientele who are also employers that might want to hire them, and that customer-employer now knows first-hand the server's work ethic and customer focus.

[Loudoll]

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I remember one evening when my daughter came home in tears. Most of her shift was spent on a large group that stayed for more than three hours. Ultimately, they left her a ten percent tip after commenting to the manager what a great server she was. That table cost her almost ten dollars out of her own pocket in tipping out co-workers and that's not counting the tables she could have served had these folks stayed a reasonable time and tipped fairly. She actually worked for free that evening since she paid out more than what she made for her shift.[/QUOTE]


It really hurts, to hear this. Not only did they stiff her but kept the table tied up so she couldn't make up the difference on someone more generous. I agree with another post that says you are a thief if you cheat a server.

[Beechie]

I live here full time. When I eat out (several times a week), I tip at least 20%. More if I feel the waitress/waiter provided good service. They don't even make minimum wage before tips. After taxes, most make about 50 bucks a week on their paychecks.

I hear it is common during 'season' for a few of the folks that stay here only a month or 2 during the winter, to sit down with 5, 6 or more people for a dinner, and tip 5 or 10% (or less even), like they do in Canada (where they make a LOT more by the hour) , or in Europe.

A 'comped' tip on your bill would be 18%. I know it isn't because you don't have the money, that you aren't tipping a fair rate. I am going to figure it is because you didn't know, and now that you read this ... you know. In my opinion, tipping a waitress/waiter anything less than 18% is stealing from them.

Most folks do tip properly, and some maybe didn't know what should be tipped in this part of the world. Some of you knew, don't, and never will. I feel sorry for you almost as much as I do for the people who wait on you.

Interesting how you would paint all Canadians with the same broad brush. Ontario has a minimum wage now of $11.00 per hour and will increase again in the fall. We, like some other posters have stated, typically tip in the 20% range. Canadians are very similar to our American friends in so many ways.

[Arctic Fox]

I don't see the logic in tipping a percentage.

It can take your server more time and effort to handle an $8 endless soup and salad order than a $24 entree. Should s/he get one third the tip just because I decide to have a cheap meal that day?

Same with wine. A $25 bottle takes no less time to open and pour than a $50 bottle. Why tip them half as much?

Just pay them what you think they deserve for their effort and professionalism.

[tomwed]

I tip 20% or more because I don't order much, there are a lot of cheap skates and the waiter is doing the best they can where they work now.

The truth is tipping is very unfair.

If you go fishing on a private boat here is what happens. There is a guy running around doing what you don't know how to do or is outside your comfort zone. At the end of the day you have had an experience that would not happen without him. He bates the hook, he brings in the fish from the side of the boat, he takes out the hook and cleans the fish. He deserves a really big tip.

But what does a waiter do that you couldn't do for yourself? They take the scrambled eggs or lobster from the counter to your chair. They serve a VO Manhattan or a cup of coffee. Yet the tip is based on the total price not the service.

[sunnyatlast]

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[blueash]

and remember that the server not only makes well below minimum wage, but must help pay the salaries of co-workers such as the hostess, barback, busboy, etc. and that is figured at 18% of the tab regardless of the actual tip. Plus the IRS figures the income at 18% percent of the total tab.


The 18% figure is inaccurate. Here is the direct rule from the IRS tax regulation for 2014:

How were your allocated tips figured. The tips allocated
to you are your share of an amount figured by subtracting
the reported tips of all employees from 8% (or an
approved lower rate) of food and drink sales (other than
carryout sales and sales with a service charge of 10% or
more). Your share of that amount was figured using either
a method provided by an employer-employee agreement
or a method provided by IRS regulations based on employees'
sales or hours worked. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p531.pdf

As long as a servers are reported to receive 8% of sales the IRS gives the establishment a pass. Clearly this invites fraud as it is very unlikely any establishment has such a poor tip rate.

[tomwed]

You're kidding, right?

And if I couldn't bait my own hook and reel in and net my fish from the side of the boat, and paid a guy to do that for me, I wouldn't tell people I "went fishing".

Being a server OR a fishing surrogate is hard work because they have to please people who can't be pleased, and then those same customers "can't do without a couple of dollars" toward a better tip.

Open your mind a little. Not everyone knows what you know about fishing. This is why I tip the mates so well. I don't know anything about skydiving either but if someone helped me get down I would tip them well too.

"can't do without a couple of dollars"
That's a quote that has nothing to do with me. Where did it come from?

Get ****ed off at someone else if that makes your day.

ps I didn't add those asterisks. I'm not from around here.

[sunnyatlast]

Open your mind a little. Not everyone knows what you know about fishing. This is why I tip the mates so well. I don't know anything about skydiving either but if someone helped me get down I would tip them well too.

"can't do without a couple of dollars"

That's a quote that has nothing to do with me. Where did it come from?

Get ****ed off at someone else if that makes your day.

ps I didn't add those asterisks.

Actually, I should have said comparing the difficulty of work of a fishing surrogate to a restaurant server is like comparing apples and oranges.

And I mentioned "can't do without a couple of dollars" because the subject is tipping and people who are cheap tippers.

I apologize if you are offended and I'll remove the post if possible.

[784caroline]

I am not about to pass judgement on anyone regarding how they tip....and moreso what we say here on this board will have every little impact if any on how a person rewards a server for service.

Yes I have heard the stories about how people give 20 ---25 --or more percent as a tip. I congradulate them. On a cruise ship I am often asked should we leave something extra knowing the tips are already included in the cruise fare. I always say " you tip what you are comfortable in tipping...your under no obligation..but if the server provided you good service they should be rewarded..the amount is up to you. "

We are all adults and should know what the (tipping) customs are here in the US...yes it can be difficult when people from other countries visit the US or when americans visit foreign countires but its unfair to highlight Canadians in your example for it could apply to Brits, all Europeans and Asians or even AMERICANS.

The system is wrong and just like how we pay income taxes in america, so are our tipping policies and I dont expect a change in the near future.. All I can do is control my own actions..and thats what I do.

[VT2TV]

I live here full time. When I eat out (several times a week), I tip at least 20%. More if I feel the waitress/waiter provided good service. They don't even make minimum wage before tips. After taxes, most make about 50 bucks a week on their paychecks.

I hear it is common during 'season' for a few of the folks that stay here only a month or 2 during the winter, to sit down with 5, 6 or more people for a dinner, and tip 5 or 10% (or less even), like they do in Canada (where they make a LOT more by the hour) , or in Europe.

A 'comped' tip on your bill would be 18%. I know it isn't because you don't have the money, that you aren't tipping a fair rate. I am going to figure it is because you didn't know, and now that you read this ... you know. In my opinion, tipping a waitress/waiter anything less than 18% is stealing from them.

Most folks do tip properly, and some maybe didn't know what should be tipped in this part of the world. Some of you knew, don't, and never will. I feel sorry for you almost as much as I do for the people who wait on you.



We went out to eat the other night at one of the country clubs. Our meal came to 36.00. Our meal was ok, as was the server. She was nice, but other than fill our glasses once, we never saw much of her. We paid for ur meal, and gave her 10.00 and told her that we needed change. We didn't say it was for her tip, but I am sure she should know that. She brought us back the change for the 10.00, but no change for the 40.00 we had given her for our meal. We waited for quite a long time for her to bring back the 4 bucks, and she never came back by our table, or looked our way. We tried to get her attention, but couldn't. We thought about walking into her way, but the longer we sat, the more annoyed we got, and finally decided that it wasn't right for her to just assume she could keep the extra money from the 40.00. So we left without leaving her any additional money which is why we asked for change. WE decided she got her tip herself-she would have been better off to let us figure the tip. She probably thought we were terrible, but it was not right for her to just assume she could keep that money. Ironically, if she had returned our money, she would have gotten that much and a lot more. Some may think we were terrible for not tipping properly, but she never returned, and we should not have had to chase her to get our change back. BTW, she had 3 tables inc. ours, so she wasn't horribly busy.

[Barefoot]

What I heard, was that the waitresses and waiters in Canada made a bit more than $5 an hour, not needing as high a percentage for tips.

Interesting how you would paint all Canadians with the same broad brush. Ontario has a minimum wage now of $11.00 per hour and will increase again in the fall. We, like some other posters have stated, typically tip in the 20% range. Canadians are very similar to our American friends in so many ways.

Ozzello ..... despite the fact that minimum wage in Ontario is $11.00, Canadians in general are a civilized bunch and understand that wages for servers in Florida are low. We tip accordingly, as do all Canadians I know.

[Ozzello]

I mentioned Canadians, and Europeans, to say some of the low tipping could be a mistake, due to different customs in other countries. Most of the US waitresses make 5 bucks an hour, less than minimum wage.

This post was in no way directed at any certain country or area, this post is directed at the people who know how much to tip, and don't. When they eat out with other people, they nit pic the food or the something anything else they can, as an excuse not to tip.

I direct this at post at the lady that stiffed her waitress, because the waitress called her "honey".

[Cisco Kid]

Why is it a fastfood restaurant pays minimum-wage, but a restaurant gets a pass on the law.

[memason]

Why is it a fastfood restaurant pays minimum-wage, but a restaurant gets a pass on the law.

That's a good question! They get a pass, because we are all arguing over how little we pay in tips to these servers.

In all actuality, if we all stopped tipping, restaurants would be required to pay, at least, minimum wage....it's the law!

We are no longer tipping for good service. We now are tipping as a wage subsidy for the restaurant, so they don't have to pay a living wage to their employees.

[redwitch]

The 18% figure is inaccurate. Here is the direct rule from the IRS tax regulation for 2014:

How were your allocated tips figured. The tips allocated
to you are your share of an amount figured by subtracting
the reported tips of all employees from 8% (or an
approved lower rate) of food and drink sales (other than
carryout sales and sales with a service charge of 10% or
more). Your share of that amount was figured using either
a method provided by an employer-employee agreement
or a method provided by IRS regulations based on employees'
sales or hours worked. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p531.pdfi

As long as a servers are reported to receive 8% of sales the IRS gives the establishment a pass. Clearly this invites fraud as it is very unlikely any establishment has such a poor tip rate.

I know that Darden restaurants take a minimum of 18%. If the tip on the credit card is more than 18%, the total amount is declared on taxes. If under, then the restaurant assumes some of the tip is left in cash and 18% is deducted. This seems to be the standard for most restaurants and why I always leave the tip in cash.

[Bonnevie]

I remember one evening when my daughter came home in tears. Most of her shift was spent on a large group that stayed for more than three hours. Ultimately, they left her a ten percent tip after commenting to the manager what a great server she was. That table cost her almost ten dollars out of her own pocket in tipping out co-workers and that's not counting the tables she could have served had these folks stayed a reasonable time and tipped fairly. She actually worked for free that evening since she paid out more than what she made for her shift.

I tend to give even more (25-30%) when I'm with a large club group because I know the extra work involved, but that's just me.

I had a waitress make change at the table one night and I was due back a penny in addition to dollars. She asked me if I wanted the penny and I laughed and said no...she replied "you'd be surprised" and I said, no I wouldn't....

[Laurie2]

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This post was in no way directed at any certain country or area, this post is directed at the people who know how much to tip, and don't. When they eat out with other people, they nit pic the food or the something anything else they can, as an excuse not to tip.

I direct this at post at the lady that stiffed her waitress, because the waitress called her "honey".


I think being obnoxious to servers can go deeper than just being cheap. It is often a sign of someone with a mean streak and/or a need to control others or to feel superior. And they find it easy to pick on those in a position of not being able to stand up for themselves.

These types go through their days trying to make themselves feel better by making others feel worse.

The customer is not always right. The customer just might be a total :censored:.

[msfooter]

I tend to give even more (25-30%) when I'm with a large club group because I know the extra work involved, but that's just me.

I had a waitress make change at the table one night and I was due back a penny in addition to dollars. She asked me if I wanted the penny and I laughed and said no...she replied "you'd be surprised" and I said, no I wouldn't....


$5.00 minimum, regardless of bill amount - but always 20% or more unless something is seriously amiss. Jimmie

[dbussone]

$5.00 minimum, regardless of bill amount - but always 20% or more unless something is seriously amiss. Jimmie

I consider myself to be a good tipper - seldom less than a minimum of 20%. But $5 as a minimum is excessive if my breakfast or lunch is than $12.

[Villages PL]

18% is the standard. 20% is easier to figure up in my head so....

What authority (who) makes the standard? Or, to put it another way, who declares what the standard should be?

[Walter123]

Whatever you tip is nobody's business but your own.

[Gerald]

Who makes up the rules for tip amounts? Why not give 50%? A person should tip on quality of service. But the amount should be up to the person giving it.
Some cannot afford a larger tip. Some can and don't for many reasons. No one should judge others by the tip they leave. Yes, I agree the restaurants pay too little to the workers. But, that does not mean others must make up the difference.
The restaurant serves food, someone has to bring it to you.
I leave tips based on service not what someone demands I should leave. I find that many give very poor service in and around the villages but still expect big tips.

[Shimpy]

$5.00 minimum, regardless of bill amount - but always 20% or more unless something is seriously amiss. Jimmie


Does that include buffets since all the server does is take your drink order?

[dewilson58]

"Am I tipping enough?"

Yes.

Thank you for asking.

[Polar Bear]

"Am I tipping enough?"

Yes.

Thank you for asking.
My thoughts exactly. :wave:

[dewilson58]

My thoughts exactly. :wave:

And I get a little more tipsy after my second one.

[applesoffh]

I am not about to pass judgement on anyone regarding how they tip....and moreso what we say here on this board will have every little impact if any on how a person rewards a server for service.

Yes I have heard the stories about how people give 20 ---25 --or more percent as a tip. I congradulate them. On a cruise ship I am often asked should we leave something extra knowing the tips are already included in the cruise fare. I always say " you tip what you are comfortable in tipping...your under no obligation..but if the server provided you good service they should be rewarded..the amount is up to you. "

We are all adults and should know what the (tipping) customs are here in the US...yes it can be difficult when people from other countries visit the US or when americans visit foreign countires but its unfair to highlight Canadians in your example for it could apply to Brits, all Europeans and Asians or even

AMERICANS.

The system is wrong and just like how we pay income taxes in america, so are our tipping policies and I dont expect a change in the near future.. All I can do is control my own actions..and thats what I do.

Really? I've been on a number of cruises and tips were never included in the cruise fare. You can have them added to your cruise cost at $XXX per day, or you may chose to tip on the last day of your cruise. I guess Viking or Crystal may include all gratuities in your cruise fare, but Princess, Celebrity, Royal Caribbean??? Not that I know of!

[Ozzello]

Every cruise I have been on, you tipped out lump sum at the end as well.

[Ozzello]

Does that include buffets since all the server does is take your drink order?

And bring you your drink. Refill it, 2,3 times or more. Set up the buffet and break it down afterwards. Keep the plates and silverware stocked. Make the tea, make the coffee. Bus the tables.

Yea, I wouldn't tip at a buffet, just because I can get away with it. Heck, I could probably get away with never tipping anyone ever again. Could eat out 2-3 times a week more on the extra money :)

[xcaligirl]

I normally tip 20% on the total bill and then round up! It's easier if the service deserves it. If the service is bad (not based on the food itself), then the tip goes down which is only right. If they don't want to work, they prefer to talk to the other employees or friends stopping by or texting or just ignore the customer, then the tip reflects the service.

[Shimpy]

Yea, I wouldn't tip at a buffet, just because I can get away with it. Heck, I could probably get away with never tipping anyone ever again. Could eat out 2-3 times a week more on the extra money :)

Hey Ozzello, I'm offended that you inferred that I wouldn't tip at a buffet or ANY restaurant. Where did you get that idea? I rarely go to a buffet , Katie Bells now and then, but tip around 15%, not 0 as you said. 15% because the server has done nothing but take my drink order. I usually have to chase them down to get a coffee refill.
Usually 15% at buffets and at least 20% at restaurants where the server really is a server, not a drink order taker.

[joldnol]

When did 20% become the standard? For as long as I can remember it was always a minimum of 15% for good service and more for excellent service. I usually tip 20% as long as the service is decent, but will tip 10% or less if I feel that the server is not doing his or her job.

I was at World of Beer last year having a few exotic beers and the server spent the entire time I was there talking to her friends. She came over once when my glass was still 90% full and asked if I wanted another. When I finished my beer, it was ten minutes before she could tear herself away to ask if I wanted anything else. I ordered a different beer and it took her five minutes to bring it. It's not that she was busy. she had plenty of time to talk with other people at the bar. My bill came to $9 and change. I left a ten and walked away. She was probably cursing me out as some old cheapskate, but the service was truly terrible.

Same here. I usually do 20 or more but it was always 15 % being the norm. I to will give a poor tip for poor service. I hate it when they add an automatic tip for large groups as I've found a guaranteed tip almost always translates to lousy service.

[hulahips]

Interesting question We normally tip 15 to 20% depending on service but tonight we went with friends to a restaurant in Mt Dora and a conversation with the waitress led to a discussion on tips. When this waitress realized we were from the villages, she proceeded to tell us she used to work at Mallory co club but quit because the villagers were very cheap with their tips. I was shocked to hear this and none of us wanted to get in a discussion with her on this topic so we paid our bill (with our normal tip) and left. Out of the mouth of a former villages waitress

[BobandMary]

I over tip. I worked as a waitress through college. It was the hardest job I ever had. I probably wasn't very good at it. My dear friend was a waitress for 30 years at a busy diner. She said most waitresses are single moms. If we can afford to go out to dinner, we can afford to take care of the people that serve us. We usually ask to be seated in an area where we know the server.

[PattyCakes]

You don't tip fast food workers.

[graciegirl]

Twenty percent and most of our servers here in The Villages deserve much more than that. If I worked as a server for five minutes here, you would see my face in the mug shots.

Also thank them and say something nice if you find it in your heart.

Why did I say that? Of course you do that.

I am not your mom.

Good Morning everyone. It is another lovely day in The Villages.

[biker1]

Just curious, who decided that "standard" is 18% ?

18% is the standard. 20% is easier to figure up in my head so....

[biker1]

I always thank the wait staff every time they come to the table. I hope, in some small way, it makes up for some truly atrocious behavior I have seen by some customers.

Twenty percent and most of our servers here in The Villages deserve much more than that. If I worked as a server for five minutes here, you would see my face in the mug shots.

Also thank them and say something nice if you find it in your heart.

Why did I say that? Of course you do that.

I am not your mom.

Good Morning everyone. It is another lovely day in The Villages.

[adeleh]

Not only do servers here make $5/hr....We also have to tip 4% of our TOTAL sales to the bussers and bartenders. So if you tip less than 4% (and some do) it costs us money to wait on you! Ex: If my total sales are $500, I have to give $10 to the bartender and $10 to the bussers.....

[TheVillageChicken]

Do you base your tip on pre-tax amount or total bill? (http://www.emilypost.com/out-and-about/tipping/89-general-tipping-guidelines)

[biker1]

I was under the impression that your tips must bring your compensation up to $8/hour otherwise your employer must make up the difference. In other words, even if you received no tips during the day you would still make $8/hour regardless of the fact that 4% of your total sales needs to be paid to bussers and bartenders. Isn't that 4% going to be paid regardless of whether you have any tips and you are still guaranteed no less than $8/hour? Based on your post, it sounded like you could actually lose money (i.e. make less than $5/hour) because your tips didn't cover the 4% that is paid to the bussers and bartenders. I am just trying to understand how the law and restaurants operate.

Also, are you better off if we tip in cash instead of putting the tip on a credit card?


Not only do servers here make $5/hr....We also have to tip 4% of our TOTAL sales to the bussers and bartenders. So if you tip less than 4% (and some do) it costs us money to wait on you! Ex: If my total sales are $500, I have to give $10 to the bartender and $10 to the bussers.....

[obxgal]

Just a thought. If there wasn't a buck to be made do you think anyone would be waiting tables any where?? You would think they would all quit working in the restaurants and go to the fast food places.

BTW, I do tip but that's between me and my server, I don't have to brag about it here on the board.

[Shimpy]

BTW, I do tip but that's between me and my server, I don't have to brag about it here on the board.

:mademyday: Best post of this thread.

[Polar Bear]

...I do tip but that's between me and my server, I don't have to brag about it here on the board.
:mademyday: Best post of this thread.
Gotta agree.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just a thought. If there wasn't a buck to be made do you think anyone would be waiting tables any where?? You would think they would all quit working in the restaurants and go to the fast food places.

BTW, I do tip but that's between me and my server, I don't have to brag about it here on the board.

I agree with your BTW!

[JoMar]

20% minimum here unless the service is poor, than 10%. I will sometime ask if the wait staff keeps their tips or are they split. If they are split I will tip 15% for poor service and have a discussion with the manager. If service is excellent then 25%.....all before taxes.

[MoeVonB61]

[QUOTE=Ozzello;1032937]I live here full time. When I eat out (several times a week), I tip at least 20%. More if I feel the waitress/waiter provided good service. They don't even make minimum wage before tips. After taxes, most make about 50 bucks a week on their paychecks.

I hear it is common during 'season' for a few of the folks that stay here only a month or 2 during the winter, to sit down with 5, 6 or more people for a dinner, and tip 5 or 10% (or less even), like they do in Canada (where they make a LOT more by the hour) , or in Europe.

A 'comped' tip on your bill would be 18%. I know it isn't because you don't have the money, that you aren't tipping a fair rate. I am going to figure it is because you didn't know, and now that you read this ... you know. In my opinion, tipping a waitress/waiter anything less than 18% is stealing from them.


GOOD POINT!! I grew up on Long Island and my father was from Brooklyn, NY....my father always said "IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO TIP, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT OUT"!!....Our family always tips 20% minimum unless its a buffet then it's 10%..

[applesoffh]

Always tip 20% minimum and sometimes more if service is excellent. That's 20% of the bill excluding the tax portion.

My son works in hotel management and servers have families to support and do the things everyone else does.

Do not penalized the server if the cook made a bad meal of what you ordered.

Any complaints should be handled by management in an appropriate fashion.

Management doesn't always do the right thing but they should, if they want repeat business.

Absolutely! If the service is good but the food is par at best, don't take it out on the server. Complain to management. I've seen so many people leave 10 - 15% tip, and not necessarily Canadians or Europeans, either.

[redwitch]

And please tip on what the tab would have been before specials, comps, two for ones. Our servers work just as hard for your discounted meal as they do for those who pay full price.

[JoMar]

When did 20% become the standard? For as long as I can remember it was always a minimum of 15% for good service and more for excellent service. I usually tip 20% as long as the service is decent, but will tip 10% or less if I feel that the server is not doing his or her job.

I was at World of Beer last year having a few exotic beers and the server spent the entire time I was there talking to her friends. She came over once when my glass was still 90% full and asked if I wanted another. When I finished my beer, it was ten minutes before she could tear herself away to ask if I wanted anything else. I ordered a different beer and it took her five minutes to bring it. It's not that she was busy. she had plenty of time to talk with other people at the bar. My bill came to $9 and change. I left a ten and walked away. She was probably cursing me out as some old cheapskate, but the service was truly terrible.

20% has been the standard for years. I usually never tip below that but would never tip less without telling the server why......otherwise nothing gets better and all they remember is you are a non tipper. I remember when I was working, if my performance wasn't up to expectations I was told about it.....we should do the same to those that don't meet our expectations.

[Jima64]

I tip according to the service provided to me. The tip is never based on the quality of the food. I also like to thank the person if the service was great. The manager also likes to hear positive feedback on good employees.

[xcaligirl]

We tip 20% most of the time but when service is terrible, Imam NOT GOING TO TIP 20%! A tip is not a given ~ they need to actually earn it by providing good service. When the service is excellent, the tip goes above 20% without hesitation.

[Barefoot]

20% has been the standard for years. I usually never tip below that but would never tip less without telling the server why......otherwise nothing gets better and all they remember is you are a non tipper. I remember when I was working, if my performance wasn't up to expectations I was told about it.....we should do the same to those that don't meet our expectations.

JoMar, I understand the logic of your post, and you may be right.
But we go out to dinner to have a pleasant time. We don't like complaining. Same with our friends.
We vote with our feet. If we don't like the restaurant for any reason, we don't go back.
There are many great restaurants available in The Villages.

[jblum315]

When I eat out, which isn't that often, I always tip at least 20% and always in cash

[otherbruddaDarrell]

When we eat out we tip good for good service and tip poor for poor service. If the food is not as ordered or of poor quality we let them know so they can try and correct the problem. When we do let them know that the food is not up to standards we also advise them that we do not want a compensation, we just want them to know.
My wife and I owned a caf� for several years and know that something can't be corrected if you don't know.
In regards to servers getting bad tips.......bad servers should get bad tips and find a job doing something they are better at.
Servers can and do make good tips when they pay attention to the customer and do a good job. Cream settles to the top!

[HimandMe]

Where do you get your information on Canadian tipping? Yes on a per hour rate they are paid more but depending on the service ne ver heard in 60 years any one tipping less than 15 - 20 percent and remember while in the u.s.a. Add the current 25 percent dollar difference! Why do Americans not pay their employees more to live on ?

I agree. This is correct. In some areas in Europe tipping is only a dollar or two. Tipping is just that...a tip for good service not something that is mandatory and certainly not an excuse to not pay regular wages!

[plrbr1120]

Good service....good tip. Not so good service....not so good tip. Usually around 20% for good.

[TheVillageChicken]

I always tip at least 20%...except for last night.

Went to a local restaurant and when we checked in, we told the hostess that we wanted a table vs a booth. When our buzzer went off, we were escorted to a booth. We told the fellow that we had requested a table. We had to stand there in the dining room for several minutes while they found us a table.

We ordered our meals plus a shared appetizer. The entrees arrived but we never got the appetizer. I had to request that they take the app off the bill.

The waitress never came back to check on us. I had to hail her down to ask for a beverage refill. Twenty minutes later, we were finished with the meal and I never received the refill.

The waitress finally came over and asked if we wanted a box or a dessert. I said no and asked for the check. It took a little over ten minutes for the check to arrive.

In the tip section, I wrote the words "zero...see reverse" and wrote all the above on the back of the check.

Hate on if you must, but in my view there was no reward merited.

[NJblue]

Another area that servers must just love is when couples split a meal. We know a couple who always split a meal and order water with lemons. Invariably, the water comes with a lemon in it but the waitress is then asked to go back and get lots more lemon which is then used to effectively make free lemonade. Then, because the split meal is really not enough to fill both of them up, the waiter has to make at least one additional trip for more free bread and butter. By the end of the meal, the waitress has worked more than the normal amount that a couple would require but is tipped on the $10-12 that a single entree costs. If a restaurant has a charge for meal sharing, they won't return. No wonder there is such turnover in the waitstaff in The Villages.

[Skip]

I always tip at least 20%...except for last night.

Went to a local restaurant and when we checked in, we told the hostess that we wanted a table vs a booth. When our buzzer went off, we were escorted to a booth. We told the fellow that we had requested a table. We had to stand there in the dining room for several minutes while they found us a table.

We ordered our meals plus a shared appetizer. The entrees arrived but we never got the appetizer. I had to request that they take the app off the bill.

The waitress never came back to check on us. I had to hail her down to ask for a beverage refill. Twenty minutes later, we were finished with the meal and I never received the refill.

The waitress finally came over and asked if we wanted a box or a dessert. I said no and asked for the check. It took a little over ten minutes for the check to arrive.

In the tip section, I wrote the words "zero...see reverse" and wrote all the above on the back of the check.

Hate on if you must, but in my view there was no reward merited.

What restaurant was that?
I want to add it to my AVOID LIST.

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[Barefoot]

I love the way that servers in TV are happy to split the bill by individual or by couple.
We were very surprised at that when we first started dining out in TV.
Perhaps it's a courtesy thing in Florida that waiters do for tourists.
It's not automatically done in other states where I've eaten, or in Ontario.
Since it's extra work for the servers who cheerfully offer to split the bill, that is worth an extra special tip IMHO.

[Kelsie52]

We have been here 5 years --I do not think I can remember any more than 2 times we had bad service --

I find service here and around the villages to be fairly good in restaurants

We always tip 20 % of the entire bill including tax --its easier to calculate

We usually tip in cash --our son was a waiter in NY while in highschool and college --the owner would hold back the credit card % when paying the server

the wait staff usually has to also take care of the cooks bartender and runners

We have found if the wait staff are bad they will not last

I also agree your tip should be based on your bill before any coupons

I am just so happy and blessed to have lived long enough to enjoy this place

:beer3::pepper2::a040::MOJE_whot::2excited:

[Christine G]

We tip on the bill before tax and give it as cash not on any card. If the service is good then we leave a good tip, regardless of the cost of the meal and always at least 20%. If not good service, then maybe speak to the manager so they can correct that. The minimum wage in Florida is $8.05 and sometimes much less with reliance on tips, so with we try and do what we can. The same applies to good service with tradesmen and especially hairdresser! It must be nice however for some people to be able to dine out several times a week lol!

[Skip]

The minimum wage in Florida is $8.05 !

Minimum wage for Florida servers is $5.03, not $8.05 !

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[Yorio]

Whenever they do a decent enough job, I try to give a few percentages more than 20. Still reminds me of my college days working when I was so appreciative when customers tipped me a little etc. if one can afford now, why not help out.

[biker1]

I believe the law states that the $8.05/hour figure must be met by a combination of the $5.03/hour plus tips (tip credit) or the employer must make up the difference so the employee makes at least $8.05/hour.

Minimum wage for Florida servers is $5.03, not $8.05 !

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[Skip]

I believe the law states that the $8.05/hour figure must be met by a combination of the $5.03/hour plus tips (tip credit) or the employer must make up the difference so the employee makes at least $8.05/hour.

I think you're right. It's called "minimum wage make up" and it was enacted because some employers decided they wanted to pay some employees only the lower rate so they put out a tip jar at the register. The employers thought they were only responsible to pay the lower rate plus the tips in the jar (which could be zero).

The law was changed so that the employer had to make up the difference between "low" and "minimum" per hour.

Sneaky bosses!

Notice places like Dunkin' Donuts have "tip jars" at the registers?

Go to Europe, especially Holland, and tips are an insult to most workers. They will give tips back to their patrons.

Only the US abuses their employees with low wages (especially teachers).

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[goldseekur]

I live here full time. When I eat out (several times a week), I tip at least 20%. More if I feel the waitress/waiter provided good service. They don't even make minimum wage before tips. After taxes, most make about 50 bucks a week on their paychecks.

I hear it is common during 'season' for a few of the folks that stay here only a month or 2 during the winter, to sit down with 5, 6 or more people for a dinner, and tip 5 or 10% (or less even), like they do in Canada (where they make a LOT more by the hour) , or in Europe.

A 'comped' tip on your bill would be 18%. I know it isn't because you don't have the money, that you aren't tipping a fair rate. I am going to figure it is because you didn't know, and now that you read this ... you know. In my opinion, tipping a waitress/waiter anything less than 18% is stealing from them.

Most folks do tip properly, and some maybe didn't know what should be tipped in this part of the world. Some of you knew, don't, and never will. I feel sorry for you almost as much as I do for the people who wait on you.


I habe nothing against leaving a nice tip. What I DO NOT like is when the staff assumes that I do not want any change back from the cash I pay the bill with. This happens many times when I pay in cash. Just last night, the bill was $29.87 and I left $40 cash. The waitress did not bring any change back and when I asked, she seemed surprised that I would ask for the change!!:(.

That is NOT their decision to make, but mine unless I say, "Keep the change."

[biker1]

So she assumed you were leaving a 33% tip? That's pretty presumptuous.

I habe nothing against leaving a nice tip. What I DO NOT like is when the staff assumes that I do not want any change back from the cash I pay the bill with. This happens many times when I pay in cash. Just last night, the bill was $29.87 and I left $40 cash. The waitress did not bring any change back and when I asked, she seemed surprised that I would ask for the change!!:(.

That is NOT their decision to make, but mine unless I say, "Keep the change."

[biker1]

Salaries, in most cases, reflect the amount of revenue/profit that an employee brings into the business and/or the supply and demand for their skills. This is not a statement about what they should be paid because of the their value to society. This is the way things generally work in a free market environment. If you are looking for "fairness" you need a socialistic environment but that does not come without other issues, such as what we are seeing in Greece. Pick your poison.

I think you're right. It's called "minimum wage make up" and it was enacted because some employers decided they wanted to pay some employees only the lower rate so they put out a tip jar at the register. The employers thought they were only responsible to pay the lower rate plus the tips in the jar (which could be zero).

The law was changed so that the employer had to make up the difference between "low" and "minimum" per hour.

Sneaky bosses!

Notice places like Dunkin' Donuts have "tip jars" at the registers?

Go to Europe, especially Holland, and tips are an insult to most workers. They will give tips back to their patrons.

Only the US abuses their employees with low wages (especially teachers).

Skip

[beachx4me]

Minimum wage for Florida servers is $5.03, not $8.05 !

Skip


You are correct. I bet my daughter wishes it was 8.05!!! The only time they make more than the minimum is when they are training. After training is through, they go to the minimum plus tips.

For the people who are poor tippers, I wonder who they think they are getting over on??? And then those who brag about not tipping good, it just disgusts me. If people can't leave a proper tip for good service they don't need to be eating out. It is like a package deal.

Many of these folks are working second jobs to make ends meet and/or trying to get their education. Have people forgotten what it is like to be young and struggle to make ends meet. Ok, my rant is over.

[biker1]

Does your daughter live in FL and does she have a server position that is subject to the $8.05 minimum salary plus tips with a shortfall made up by the employer? If so, are you saying that your daughter's employer is violating the law?

You are correct. I bet my daughter wishes it was 8.05!!! The only time they make more than the minimum is when they are training. After training is through, they go to the minimum plus tips.

For the people who are poor tippers, I wonder who they think they are getting over on??? And then those who brag about not tipping good, it just disgusts me. If people can't leave a proper tip for good service they don't need to be eating out. It is like a package deal.

Many of these folks are working second jobs to make ends meet and/or trying to get their education. Have people forgotten what it is like to be young and struggle to make ends meet. Ok, my rant is over.

[jnieman]

What about workers who come to your house to do a job. Do you all tip them? I always give them a bottle of gatorade or a bottle of water. Occasionally I will give a tip. It just feels awkward when they just stand there like they are waiting for it.

[RickeyD]

What about workers who come to your house to do a job. Do you all tip them? I always give them a bottle of gatorade or a bottle of water. Occasionally I will give a tip. It just feels awkward when they just stand there like they are waiting for it.


My awkwardness fades once I close the door behind them.

[Skip]

Another good question is...
Do you tip the owner of a restaurant when he/she waits on you?
What's your opinion?

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[RickeyD]

Another good question is...

Do you tip the owner of a restaurant when he/she waits on you?

What's your opinion?



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No, never, no way

[Villager Joyce]

McAlisters deli in Brownwood is a no tip restaurant. However, any tips left are give to the Wildwood Soup Kitchen and have been since they opened.

[RickeyD]

McAlisters deli in Brownwood is a no tip restaurant. However, any tips left are give to the Wildwood Soup Kitchen and have been since they opened.


I have never believed in tipping, but my wife does. I think she is overly generous and I try to have her cut it down a bit. I feel that the employer should pay for performance, not me. TIPS (to insure prompt service) needs to end. The fact that I'm a patron automatically entitles me to what I'm paying for, IMHO...

[Midorisour]

What are your opinions on tipping the shuttle drivers?

[RickeyD]

What are your opinions on tipping the shuttle drivers?


They earn a salary based on the job description and performance. Since I don't profit from their labor I see no need share the fruits of my labor with them.

[tuccillo]

Do you not tip in any restaurant?

I have never believed in tipping, but my wife does. I think she is overly generous and I try to have her cut it down a bit. I feel that the employer should pay for performance, not me. TIPS (to insure prompt service) needs to end. The fact that I'm a patron automatically entitles me to what I'm paying for, IMHO...

[RickeyD]

Do you not tip in any restaurant?


On the rare occasions that I eat by myself I will only frequent fast food or self serve restaurants. I really do not like to be waited on. The answer is no, I don't tip.

[Skip]

McAlisters deli in Brownwood is a no tip restaurant. However, any tips left are give to the Wildwood Soup Kitchen and have been since they opened.

All the more reason I like McAlisters Deli.

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[Yung Dum]

Do you ever complain about bad service? I hope not.

[Barefoot]

What about workers who come to your house to do a job. Do you all tip them?
I always wonder about my bi-weekly cleaning service, whether people usually tip them.
What are your opinions on tipping the shuttle drivers? $5 per bag.

[JoMar]

I have never believed in tipping, but my wife does. I think she is overly generous and I try to have her cut it down a bit. I feel that the employer should pay for performance, not me. TIPS (to insure prompt service) needs to end. The fact that I'm a patron automatically entitles me to what I'm paying for, IMHO...

Good for your wife......she understands life isn't perfect. You must drive her crazy.

[Barefoot]

...

[redwitch]

Rickey, I do understand your position but the reality is you only hurt one person -- the server. The company/owner could care less if you tip so long as you don't complain. As a matter of fact, the company will just assume you left an eighteen percent tip in cash and add it to the server's tally to make the minimum wage for that day. Perhaps you could tip the server twenty percent in cash and then go to the manager and demand that twenty percent be deducted from your tab since you don't believe you should be helping to pay the server's salary, regardless of how good the service was.

Thank goodness your wife is a bit more understanding and generous. Blessings to her.

[tuccillo]

Do you know for a fact that restaurants automatically assume a certain amount of tip for the purposes of meeting the required $8.05/hour figure for salary plus tips? In other words, can they just say the gap between $5.03/hour and $8.05/hour was met without some documentation? If so, the law would essentially have no meaning.

Rickey, I do understand your position but the reality is you only hurt one person -- the server. The company/owner could care less if you tip so long as you don't complain. As a matter of fact, the company will just assume you left an eighteen percent tip in cash and add it to the server's tally to make the minimum wage for that day. Perhaps you could tip the server twenty percent in cash and then go to the manager and demand that twenty percent be deducted from your tab since you don't believe you should be helping to pay the server's salary, regardless of how good the service was.

Thank goodness your wife is a bit more understanding and generous. Blessings to her.

[Halibut]

I always wonder about my bi-weekly cleaning service, whether people usually tip them.

This rankles me, to be honest. The cleaning service we use charges $75 for our two-bedroom place. They send 2 people who are done in about an hour. I know those 2 women are only getting a small percentage of my $75, but feeling obliged to throw in an additional $10 tip irks me. I do it, but I feel kind of ripped off since I think cleaning service fees are outrageous as they are.

And what about someone is works for her- or himself? Their prices are generally lower and it takes them longer, but if they want more money they should increase their fees instead of relying on me to beef up their income out of the goodness of my heart. I don't tip anyone who is self-employed. (Same goes for those who drive people to the airport in their own cars. No tip for you! I do tip the shuttle drivers.)

[maryanna630]

I would not tip cleaners who work for a service. Frankly, I think the whole tipping thing in this country is out of hand. Next, we will be tipping dentists, doctors, painters, plumbers etc. Of course, i have lived in another country for seven years and am still in culture shock.
I consider myself to be a generous person; i will have to keep an open mind here and see how it goes.

[john1953]

Their is no tipping in New Zealand,I was their a few years back and took some people out to dinner and was already to leave a good tip and was stopped by the people I was with.We don`t tip here they all told me.I got the server anyway and left him a nice tip he was kind of shocked I think.

[asianthree]

One of our kids is in the restaurant biz. When we eat out he tips. Have you ever been out to eat with a server? I have seen him tip upwards of 30% if the service is up to his standards. His comment is he is just making up for those who can't afford to tip. Servers usually tip more than anyone even if they make less than most

[redwitch]

Do you know for a fact that restaurants automatically assume a certain amount of tip for the purposes of meeting the required $8.05/hour figure for salary plus tips? In other words, can they just say the gap between $5.03/hour and $8.05/hour was met without some documentation? If so, the law would essentially have no meaning.

Sadly, I do know this for a fact. My daughter works for Olive Garden in Ocala, used to work here in TV but requested a transfer because of the poor tipping. Rarely does she truly make minimum wage since she has to tip out the busboy, bartender, bar back and hostess. This is figured at the eighteen percent of food and beverage totals regardless of the actual tip amount. The same is done for IRS purposes, which is where the calculations for minimum wage are done as well. The only time she has ever received minimum wage on her paycheck was one day when they were exceedingly slow. Her hourly salary, with tips and pay, comes to seven to ten dollars a day less tip out amounts, depending on how people are tipping. She is a good server, not great, but definitely tries hard to keep her customers happy. She would do much better in an Olive Garden out of Central Florida but really wants to remain in this area.

So, folks, please tip your servers well. If under eighteen percent, put it on your credit card. If over eighteen percent, leave it in cash if possible. Do NOT tip for poor service.

[tuccillo]

Thanks for your insight into this.

Sadly, I do know this for a fact. My daughter works for Olive Garden in Ocala, used to work here in TV but requested a transfer because of the poor tipping. Rarely does she truly make minimum wage since she has to tip out the busboy, bartender, bar back and hostess. This is figured at the eighteen percent of food and beverage totals regardless of the actual tip amount. The same is done for IRS purposes, which is where the calculations for minimum wage are done as well. The only time she has ever received minimum wage on her paycheck was one day when they were exceedingly slow. Her hourly salary, with tips and pay, comes to seven to ten dollars a day less tip out amounts, depending on how people are tipping. She is a good server, not great, but definitely tries hard to keep her customers happy. She would do much better in an Olive Garden out of Central Florida but really wants to remain in this area.

So, folks, please tip your servers well. If under eighteen percent, put it on your credit card. If over eighteen percent, leave it in cash if possible. Do NOT tip for poor service.

[Springs1]

Once you've been a server, you realize that the servers take all the flak out on the front lines, when the problem is often the cooks and/or spineless shift managers.

Actually often times the SERVERS are the reasons for the problems GETTING to our table. You are there to make sure *BEFORE* you hand us something there's no OBVIOUS ERRORS such as wrong side dish, missing sides of condiments, wrong prices, bartender didn't put salt on the rim but bring it to me anyway my margarita when I ordered it with salt and you took my order, etc.

Most of the issues HONESTLY are because servers JUST DON'T CARE! They are TOO LAZY to even WRITE DOWN things you ask for and then forget them, then most of the time not even say they are sorry even in most cases.

I have had a waitress once where there was a dollar difference in a price on me and my husband's check. Instead of just going to get her manager to fix it, she was trying to out of it saying "Oh the newer menus aren't out yet" it's like I wanted to say to her "What if someone took YOUR DOLLAR from EVERY TIP YOU MADE at EVERY TABLE, HOW YOU'D FEEL THEN?" I didn't tell her that, but I did tell her about if she was at a store, would she not say anything if the price didn't ring up correctly when she went to the register to check out? I mean really, servers are SO SELFISH today in most cases. They can't even think about WE ARE PEOPLE TOO and OUR MONEY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT as theirs is. It is her fault since she can compare the menu prices to the check prices PRIOR to handing us the check and when she would have found the problem she would have gotten her manager to fix it BEFORE she gave us the check, so yeah, it was 100% HER DOING, NOT anyone else's doing since she was the LAST PERSON to see the problem that she could see it. This isn't something like an undercooked steak, this is the difference between $3.99(this was a cup of queso at a mexican restaurant) and on our check was $4.99 when we ordered it as it exactly came off the menu with no modifications to it. We have tipped 25%-30% and upwards as well as stiffed servers, because it all depends on the service. Because of the lazy and uncaring way she handled the issue from the start just by not even TRYING to catch it, then REFUSING to fix it, then not apologizing, she got stiffed over a dollar overcharge. She should have tried to catch this issue. That was only our second visit and didn't order that item the 1st time there, so she had MUCH MORE TIME than us no matter what. It was very slow like 11a.m. on a Saturday lunch, not 8p.m. on a Saturday night either.

If I don't have utensils when I am served food(btw that waitress did just that, so we had nothing to eat with when we were served food.) That's a server issue. Refills forgotten server issue. Bags, boxes, containers for condiments missing server issue when most servers don't write things down that they should be, because they are TOO LAZY to. Also, the servers that you want to give them a list of things at the end like boxes, bags, etc. they walk away so you can't even tell them everything, because they are TOO LAZY TO WRITE DOWN A LIST. It's like they'd RATHER be ran.

There are times servers put in orders wrong, forget to put in orders, bring you out the completely wrong item, etc.

Especially when another server runs the food, 99.99999% of the time, that other server doesn't give a CARE AT ALL about anything since it's not their table, they didn't read the ticket, they don't offer to fix the mistake, they don't offer you refills or anything else, etc.

In general today, in a good 70% of cases, service just sucks. There's not a whole lot of hard worker servers that actually "CARE" about people. It's like they think about the money, but don't realize how they are treating us will GREATLY effect their money.

Most issues come to the customers because of lazy and uncaring servers. THAT IS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH and you know it!

[Springs1]

I habe nothing against leaving a nice tip. What I DO NOT like is when the staff assumes that I do not want any change back from the cash I pay the bill with. This happens many times when I pay in cash. Just last night, the bill was $29.87 and I left $40 cash. The waitress did not bring any change back and when I asked, she seemed surprised that I would ask for the change!!:(.

That is NOT their decision to make, but mine unless I say, "Keep the change."

We have stiffed before when they did that, because that's STEALING! It's ILLEGAL! Did you REPORT the theft? We did. My husband and I rarely pay with cash or gift certificates. Once, back in 2004, we used (2) $20 gift certificates to pay a $34.69 check. Our waiter gave us back a $5 bill, which our change was $5.31. So I go up to him to tell him. Instead of fixing it, he goes to serve a side salad. He finally gave back the change and did say he was sorry, but this was intentional, because he was TOO LAZY to get the change from the bar OR could have gave us OVER if he didn't want to rather than *SHORT US*, he could have shorted HIMSELF, but was TOO *SELFISH* to do so. I don't expect a server to short themselves, just to give the 100% CORRECT amount of change back, NOT to TIP THEMSELVES part of *OUR MONEY* to themselves. So I reported this to the manager and we left NOTHING, NOT ONE PENNY. There's no way it's not intentional since you aren't going to miss 3 coins and 99.99% of the time people's checks aren't exact amounts. I can count on one hand how many times exact where there's no cents on a check amount and we eat out VERY often.

It's OUR job to tip and if they are that selfish and lazy, they should get nothing. I made sure I waited to get the change just so the waiter could get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING so he couldn't steal ANYTHING from us.

What if the customer shorted the bill, would the server want to pay the 31 cents on every customer's bill plus the tip outs? That would add up and NO, they wouldn't.

I can't take 31 cents out of someone's purse or register without getting arrested, WHY can THEY get away with it?

They ARE SO SELFISH. I mean really, when once we got 10 cents over at a place that was a small town restaurant that only accepted cash payments about a couple of years ago we had gone to(our bill was $38.10, paid with (2) $20 bills, got back $2. So because she gave us OVER we tipped her MORE over the 10 cents and it was cool to not have 90 cents in change.

The only reason that happened probably was that because that was closer to the next dollar, but in our case with the $34.69, it wasn't, so that's why he did what he did, due to LAZINESS and SELFISHNESS. He could have given us $6 or $5.50 if he didn't want to get change. Also, it wasn't that busy the time to do such a thing.

Well anyway, my point is, it's a common practice among servers since they don't have a register they have to get the money from their own change bank in their apron pocket or go to the bar to get change. The thing is, STEALING(SHORTING THE CUSTOMER) is ILLEGAL and MORALLY WRONG!

So for 31 cents being selfish, he got stiffed. Does that make ANY SENSE to risk getting a crappy tip for 31 cents you servers out there? Why not just either not be SO LAZY to go to the bar to get change or bring some on you(exchange during non-busy times at the bar) or give us the next dollar then. If he would have given us $6 in change, if the service would have been good otherwise, he would have had over 25% tip. Because of stealing, he got his tip stolen back in a sense. The reason why I say that is because what we did was VERY LEGAL, what he did WASN'T. Stealing is illegal and wrong. He should have been fired on the spot and been arrested for what he did. As I said, I can't go into Walmart take 31 cents out someone's register and not get handcuffs put on me, WHY servers can do this and get away with it? It's a DOUBLE STANDARD! It's not fair.

Most servers are JUST SO SELFISH and LAZY! It's really both. They are too lazy to get change from the bar or bring change on them and they are too SELFISH to think "If I risk giving some of my few coins away maybe I might be stiffed from a cheapskate, but I could get more." No, all they think about is THEMSELVES! Every penny is about THEM. They NEVER can think about OUR MONEY. Then they wonder why they don't get a tip.

While I understand sometimes it may be about that they don't want to make the customer wait 10 minutes for the bartender to get the change, so that's when you short yourself as the server if you want a better tip.

Servers are JUST SO SELFISH today. It's sad. We have been through some mean servers. One at a Denny's said when I had a wrong price "I don't do prices." It's like we don't work here, so if we can see it, SO COULD HAVE SHE. I know she can't fix the price in the computer, but most managers can't either, they take it off the bill at the end. The difference is, if the server CARES about our money, they would have tried to find this issue BEFORE check time and gotten the manager to fix it BEFORE it came to us. It's not our job to check every price against the menu since we aren't earning a tip to do so. They don't care about our money, but they expect us to care about their money. THAT I DO NOT GET WHAT-SO-EVER?

[Springs1]

Who makes up the rules for tip amounts? Why not give 50%?

I feel it should be on the amount of WORK they gave you, so if a couple has a $30 check but only gets 2 pasta dishes as they come and 1 refill each that's it, if the service was good 20% at most. If a couple has a $30 check, but has 2 very heavily modified orders such as 2 sandwiches with lots of condiments, modifications, etc. Also, 3 refills a piece. 25%-30% if the service was good.

Most I have ever tipped 34% or so, maybe a bit more, but that's it. 50% would be if the bill was small amount like if I eat by myself, get food service, I have tipped on a $14 something cent check $7 because I asked for lots of things and the service was excellent.

Normally though 50% is a bit steep on most bills amounts though and very unrealistic to think you'd get that normally unless you are dealing with people that are drinking heavily or something.

I only agree with you on certain levels of this. I feel the amount of price does no equal work. As I said in my example, hardly any work, server receives 20% for 2 pasta dishes and one refill a piece. I think that's a lot for hardly doing any work personally. $3 a person tip that would amount to.

On the other hand, if I order a lot of modifications, I am making my server do loads of work, so I should pay them much more, but I wouldn't go to 50% unless it's a small bill amount. Who says the thing I am ordering is worth that really? For example, let's say a steak would have lots of modifications(just pretend), and the steak is $30 just the steak, not counting side dishes. Do you think that makes any sense to tip SOLELY on the price? NO, I wouldn't tip 50% on that. The price of the item is really irrelevant to the service. It's not my server's fault the price of the steak is so high. She or he didn't do anything DIFFERENTLY just because it's a higher price.

It all depends on the situation. Normally I nor most people would tip 50% in most cases. That is the truth. As I said, if their bill is under $20 or if they have been drinking alcohol, maybe then.

[Mleeja]

Wow, you are still upset about something that happened 11 years ago?

[tuccillo]

If it was me, I would have told him to keep the change from the 2 $20 gift certificates for the $34.69 check as the change would have covered the tip at 15%. I am sure his thought processes were that you would probably leave the change as a tip so why bother putting 31 cents down on the table just to pick it back up. The fact that he gave you a $5 instead of 5 1$ bills (bartenders and wait staff learn quickly to always give change in small denominations as it is easier to tip) indicates to me that this was his thinking. Is this a bit presumptuous? Sure. But from a pragmatic point of view it makes sense. I round up all tips to an even dollar amount so I really couldn't care less about the change, but that is just me. I have bartended but never waited tables. Most bartenders and wait staff work pretty hard and have to juggle a lot of things. You might want to consider cutting them some slack in the future. I really don't believe there was any malevolence.


We have stiffed before when they did that, because that's STEALING! It's ILLEGAL! Did you REPORT the theft? We did. My husband and I rarely pay with cash or gift certificates. Once, back in 2004, we used (2) $20 gift certificates to pay a $34.69 check. Our waiter gave us back a $5 bill, which our change was $5.31. So I go up to him to tell him. Instead of fixing it, he goes to serve a side salad. He finally gave back the change and did say he was sorry, but this was intentional, because he was TOO LAZY to get the change from the bar OR could have gave us OVER if he didn't want to rather than *SHORT US*, he could have shorted HIMSELF, but was TOO *SELFISH* to do so. I don't expect a server to short themselves, just to give the 100% CORRECT amount of change back, NOT to TIP THEMSELVES part of *OUR MONEY* to themselves. So I reported this to the manager and we left NOTHING, NOT ONE PENNY. There's no way it's not intentional since you aren't going to miss 3 coins and 99.99% of the time people's checks aren't exact amounts. I can count on one hand how many times exact where there's no cents on a check amount and we eat out VERY often.

It's OUR job to tip and if they are that selfish and lazy, they should get nothing. I made sure I waited to get the change just so the waiter could get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING so he couldn't steal ANYTHING from us.

What if the customer shorted the bill, would the server want to pay the 31 cents on every customer's bill plus the tip outs? That would add up and NO, they wouldn't.

I can't take 31 cents out of someone's purse or register without getting arrested, WHY can THEY get away with it?

They ARE SO SELFISH. I mean really, when once we got 10 cents over at a place that was a small town restaurant that only accepted cash payments about a couple of years ago we had gone to(our bill was $38.10, paid with (2) $20 bills, got back $2. So because she gave us OVER we tipped her MORE over the 10 cents and it was cool to not have 90 cents in change.

The only reason that happened probably was that because that was closer to the next dollar, but in our case with the $34.69, it wasn't, so that's why he did what he did, due to LAZINESS and SELFISHNESS. He could have given us $6 or $5.50 if he didn't want to get change. Also, it wasn't that busy the time to do such a thing.

Well anyway, my point is, it's a common practice among servers since they don't have a register they have to get the money from their own change bank in their apron pocket or go to the bar to get change. The thing is, STEALING(SHORTING THE CUSTOMER) is ILLEGAL and MORALLY WRONG!

So for 31 cents being selfish, he got stiffed. Does that make ANY SENSE to risk getting a crappy tip for 31 cents you servers out there? Why not just either not be SO LAZY to go to the bar to get change or bring some on you(exchange during non-busy times at the bar) or give us the next dollar then. If he would have given us $6 in change, if the service would have been good otherwise, he would have had over 25% tip. Because of stealing, he got his tip stolen back in a sense. The reason why I say that is because what we did was VERY LEGAL, what he did WASN'T. Stealing is illegal and wrong. He should have been fired on the spot and been arrested for what he did. As I said, I can't go into Walmart take 31 cents out someone's register and not get handcuffs put on me, WHY servers can do this and get away with it? It's a DOUBLE STANDARD! It's not fair.

Most servers are JUST SO SELFISH and LAZY! It's really both. They are too lazy to get change from the bar or bring change on them and they are too SELFISH to think "If I risk giving some of my few coins away maybe I might be stiffed from a cheapskate, but I could get more." No, all they think about is THEMSELVES! Every penny is about THEM. They NEVER can think about OUR MONEY. Then they wonder why they don't get a tip.

While I understand sometimes it may be about that they don't want to make the customer wait 10 minutes for the bartender to get the change, so that's when you short yourself as the server if you want a better tip.

Servers are JUST SO SELFISH today. It's sad. We have been through some mean servers. One at a Denny's said when I had a wrong price "I don't do prices." It's like we don't work here, so if we can see it, SO COULD HAVE SHE. I know she can't fix the price in the computer, but most managers can't either, they take it off the bill at the end. The difference is, if the server CARES about our money, they would have tried to find this issue BEFORE check time and gotten the manager to fix it BEFORE it came to us. It's not our job to check every price against the menu since we aren't earning a tip to do so. They don't care about our money, but they expect us to care about their money. THAT I DO NOT GET WHAT-SO-EVER?

[Springs1]

If it was me, I would have told him to keep the change from the 2 $20 gift certificates for the $34.69 check as the change would have covered the tip at 15%. I am sure his thought processes were that you would probably leave the change as a tip so why bother putting 31 cents down on the table just to pick it back up. The fact that he gave you a $5 instead of 5 1$ bills (bartenders and wait staff learn quickly to always give change in small denominations as it is easier to tip) indicates to me that this was his thinking. Is this a bit presumptuous? Sure. But from a pragmatic point of view it makes sense. I round up all tips to an even dollar amount so I really couldn't care less about the change, but that is just me. I have bartended but never waited tables. Most bartenders and wait staff work pretty hard and have to juggle a lot of things. You might want to consider cutting them some slack in the future. I really don't believe there was any malevolence.

WOW, you are condoning THEFT, WOW! So you don't get that what he did was ILLEGAL? He should have gone in handcuffs to JAIL. THEFT IS THEFT.

Can I get something to-go from you as the bartender(let's say you are taking my to-go order in person) and the check amount is $12.30, I give you only $12? Would you still accept it knowing *YOU'D* have to come up with the 30 cents out of YOUR OWN POCKET or would you REFUSE to serve me that item telling me I'd have to have the right amount of change?

If so, what if EVERYONE did that, would you be OK with giving away 30 cents to every customer that came in?

If it was me, I would have told him to keep the change from the 2 $20 gift certificates for the $34.69 check as the change would have covered the tip at 15%.

At the time, we had never experienced this since we paid with credit cards ALWAYS or gift cards, so everything was electronic, no actual money was involved, so we never thought about doing that.

Also, why would I do that? The server's job is to work as HARD as they can for their tip to *EARN* it, so it's their job to get your change for you, NOT for you to make their job easier. If I am paying you, I expect you to do the 100% FULL ENTIRE JOB, NOT to SHORT-CUT the job to do it half-fast.

After having that stealing done to us, whenever we rarely paid with cash again, even if we wanted to leave everything, we made sure we got it all back.

Every customer should TEST the server for their HONESTY by getting the change. I will do this the rest of my life to make sure that who I am paying actually is a GOOD person that isn't a thief.

I am sure his thought processes were that you would probably leave the change as a tip so why bother putting 31 cents down on the table just to pick it back up.

That's ENTIRELY the point, it's being ***********ENTITLED************************ rather than ***************EARNING THEIR TIP***************! IT'S LAZY AND IT'S STEALING.

Also, why not bother to put $6 on the table rather than shorting us?

You can still do the same by adding an extra dollar bill. There's not much extra work to include an extra dollar. It's actually only shorting the waiter 69 cents of his own money since 31 cents was our money.

The fact that he gave you a $5 instead of 5 1$ bills (bartenders and wait staff learn quickly to always give change in small denominations as it is easier to tip) indicates to me that this was his thinking.

But WHY act like you get to tip yourself before you even get a chance for the CUSTOMER to actually TIP YOU?

The CUSTOMER TIPS, NOT THE SERVER and it WASN'T "HIS" money at that point.

Why should he have thought he'd get a tip at all? He should be doing his job, then wait and see what the *CUSTOMER* actually leaves the table for you.

His mind should be like a cashier, giving change, that's it. It shouldn't be on "What will the customer leave me" at that point.

Is this a bit presumptuous? Sure.

NO, it's A LOT presumptuous and it IS ILLEGAL. I can't short the restaurant, WHY can you short me?

But from a pragmatic point of view it makes sense.

NO it doesn't. It would have made sense more to put $6 of change on our table if he wanted a bigger tip honestly. Most people don't want the coins, so by ALWAYS giving more than owed, not only will you see the server is caring and not selfish, but it's almost like they are giving you a gift, so just like when servers have purposely not charged us for things we gave more in the tip, it works the same way.

So he would have forfeited his 69 cents, gained a dollar or two more in the tip. This is more pragmatic. It makes less sense to short the customer to **** them off and end up getting less or nothing or getting written up or fired or arrested for stealing.

So ALWAYS give more than the change. It works a lot better than shorting the customer.

I round up all tips to an even dollar amount so I really couldn't care less about the change, but that is just me.

That's not what the waiter did though. That's my point. Rounding up, not down so the customer isn't shorted.

Most bartenders and wait staff work pretty hard

In all honestly, a lot of them are LAZY today. They don't want to write down your order at times(then get it wrong), they don't make sure the prices are correct on your check, they don't check the food in the kitchen before they leave the kitchen with the wrong items or forget your side dish or condiments, etc.

Most are lazy.

You might want to consider cutting them some slack in the future.


Some slack for THEFT. NO. You act like servers are holier than thou like their money is above ours in this life. NO, I won't cut slack for selfish, lazy, and uncaring human beings. How dare you say I should cut someone slack for stealing. I bet you wouldn't want someone to take any of your tips away from you if you were still a bartender.

I only cut slack to people that try to make-up for their mistakes if it is even one. This was INTENTIONAL. You act like the waiter didn't intentionally steal. I mean if this had been an accident like they forgot something that's one thing, this was 100% PURE INTENTIONAL to steal.

I only give slack to people that *TRY* their best, show they care, etc.

For example, after asking for our 31 cents back, he could have fix it right away since it was OUR TURN BEFORE that person's side salad since HE messed up, NOT US and could have given us 50 cents rather than exactly 31 cents to make-up for this. He was TOO SELFISH to do that though. What a JERK he was. I mean really.

He didn't want to have any tip. If he would have, he would have given us 2 quarters(shorted himself only 19 cents and he couldn't do that the SELFISH JERK).

So NO, there's other ways he could have tried to show us that he didn't want to steal and act so entitled.

After I had asked for our coins back, he should have given us over the amount to show how horrible that was to do that to us to STEAL.

HOW can you say give people slack that INTENTIONAL did something as so horrible as to STEAL from you? Maybe you should go with Winona Ryder, because you are all into thinking it's OK to steal kind of thing. I don't care if it's just a penny, theft is theft.

As I said before, he could have forfeited 19 cents of his own money and was TOO SELFISH to try to make-up for it, so I made DARN SURE he got NOTHING at all and A REPORT to the manager.

What is wrong with this world of you entitled service industry workers? I don't understand how you can say I should give someone slack that did a CRIME? This wasn't a mistake like he INTENTIONALLY didn't give us back the change. I don't care what his way of thinking was, it wasn't *HIS* money to TIP with. TIPPING is a thing a CUSTOMER does, NOT the WORKER. A tip is also *EARNED* by doing the WORK of getting change. He was just a SELFISH JERK! I won't give money to anyone that steals. I don't care if it was a penny owed, if they do that, they deserve to go to jail for it just like EVERYONE ELSE that steals in this world. Stealing is wrong, morally and legally.

[Springs1]

And please tip on what the tab would have been before specials, comps, two for ones. Our servers work just as hard for your discounted meal as they do for those who pay full price.

I disagree on specials and two for ones. When the menus are made with increases in prices due to inflation we all tip more based on those increase prices, so why when the OWNER wants to DECREASE the prices that the customer can't tip in the same manner? It's ONLY FAIR.

Also, comps, it depends on the issue, if it was a server issue why I am getting the comp, was it because the SERVER OFFERED to ask the manager or was it that the CUSTOMER had to complain to the manager, so the MANAGER gave the comp for the bad service?

If the comp was not for bad service, I agree with you, but only that.

The reason why you get more customers in is because they have the two for ones and the specials. You aren't doing ANY "MORE" work for the customer just because it's more expensive during non-special pricing times, so I don't get why you think people should tip based on the non-special prices? Now maybe you have to get the manager to take the coupon off, but that is it that you are doing more. What's the point of the coupon if you can't get the let's say $4 off 2 entrees and get the ENTIRE $4 off? It's cheating the customer out of their coupon.

It's not fair. For example, back in 2005 Chili's Full Rack meal of baby back ribs was $13.99, now in 2015 it is $17.99 due to INFLATION. My server isn't doing more work now for the SAME dish, is she or he? But she or he receives more. HOW IS THAT FAIR OR RIGHT? Zero more physical labor should mean we give the same, but nobody does, therefore, when customers have specials or two for one deals, they should tip according to the CURRENT PRICES that the OWNER set. IT IS ONLY FAIR. So now at 20%, they earn 80 more cents at least per customer for that item, but they are doing the *SAME* WORK.

Our servers work just as hard for your discounted meal as they do for those who pay full price.

That's why I don't get why you think the customer should tip more based on that if they are doing the SAME WORK? If the owner wants to make the prices lower, then it's only fair to tip on those prices since we all tip based on the higher prices due to inflation. Be fair to ALL in this world. We don't have to bow down to servers like their money is all more important than ours.

It's UNFAIR to just tip ALWAYS in the server's favor. Our money counts too.

[Springs1]

Place like IHOP, what you all think about coffee refills? They have it for you to refill your own, therefore, in my opinion, why should the server get as much tip for it. I don't dine at IHOP nor do I drink hot coffee very often anywhere honestly, but when I see that the CUSTOMER has to do their own work, it makes me mad. The staff should be doing the refills, not the customer if they want more money the old fashion way.

[tuccillo]

Unless you were planning on entirely stiffing him on a tip, he essentially pre-collected the first 31 cents if his tip when he brought back the change. There are a lot of things that I have worried about in my life but 31 cents was never one of them. I shanked a sand wedge the other day - I worry that I might do it again ;-)

WOW, you are condoning THEFT, WOW! So you don't get that what he did was ILLEGAL? He should have gone in handcuffs to JAIL. THEFT IS THEFT.

Can I get something to-go from you as the bartender(let's say you are taking my to-go order in person) and the check amount is $12.30, I give you only $12? Would you still accept it knowing *YOU'D* have to come up with the 30 cents out of YOUR OWN POCKET or would you REFUSE to serve me that item telling me I'd have to have the right amount of change?

If so, what if EVERYONE did that, would you be OK with giving away 30 cents to every customer that came in?



At the time, we had never experienced this since we paid with credit cards ALWAYS or gift cards, so everything was electronic, no actual money was involved, so we never thought about doing that.

Also, why would I do that? The server's job is to work as HARD as they can for their tip to *EARN* it, so it's their job to get your change for you, NOT for you to make their job easier. If I am paying you, I expect you to do the 100% FULL ENTIRE JOB, NOT to SHORT-CUT the job to do it half-fast.

After having that stealing done to us, whenever we rarely paid with cash again, even if we wanted to leave everything, we made sure we got it all back.

Every customer should TEST the server for their HONESTY by getting the change. I will do this the rest of my life to make sure that who I am paying actually is a GOOD person that isn't a thief.



That's ENTIRELY the point, it's being ***********ENTITLED************************ rather than ***************EARNING THEIR TIP***************! IT'S LAZY AND IT'S STEALING.

Also, why not bother to put $6 on the table rather than shorting us?

You can still do the same by adding an extra dollar bill. There's not much extra work to include an extra dollar. It's actually only shorting the waiter 69 cents of his own money since 31 cents was our money.



But WHY act like you get to tip yourself before you even get a chance for the CUSTOMER to actually TIP YOU?

The CUSTOMER TIPS, NOT THE SERVER and it WASN'T "HIS" money at that point.

Why should he have thought he'd get a tip at all? He should be doing his job, then wait and see what the *CUSTOMER* actually leaves the table for you.

His mind should be like a cashier, giving change, that's it. It shouldn't be on "What will the customer leave me" at that point.



NO, it's A LOT presumptuous and it IS ILLEGAL. I can't short the restaurant, WHY can you short me?



NO it doesn't. It would have made sense more to put $6 of change on our table if he wanted a bigger tip honestly. Most people don't want the coins, so by ALWAYS giving more than owed, not only will you see the server is caring and not selfish, but it's almost like they are giving you a gift, so just like when servers have purposely not charged us for things we gave more in the tip, it works the same way.

So he would have forfeited his 69 cents, gained a dollar or two more in the tip. This is more pragmatic. It makes less sense to short the customer to **** them off and end up getting less or nothing or getting written up or fired or arrested for stealing.

So ALWAYS give more than the change. It works a lot better than shorting the customer.



That's not what the waiter did though. That's my point. Rounding up, not down so the customer isn't shorted.



In all honestly, a lot of them are LAZY today. They don't want to write down your order at times(then get it wrong), they don't make sure the prices are correct on your check, they don't check the food in the kitchen before they leave the kitchen with the wrong items or forget your side dish or condiments, etc.

Most are lazy.



Some slack for THEFT. NO. You act like servers are holier than thou like their money is above ours in this life. NO, I won't cut slack for selfish, lazy, and uncaring human beings. How dare you say I should cut someone slack for stealing. I bet you wouldn't want someone to take any of your tips away from you if you were still a bartender.

I only cut slack to people that try to make-up for their mistakes if it is even one. This was INTENTIONAL. You act like the waiter didn't intentionally steal. I mean if this had been an accident like they forgot something that's one thing, this was 100% PURE INTENTIONAL to steal.

I only give slack to people that *TRY* their best, show they care, etc.

For example, after asking for our 31 cents back, he could have fix it right away since it was OUR TURN BEFORE that person's side salad since HE messed up, NOT US and could have given us 50 cents rather than exactly 31 cents to make-up for this. He was TOO SELFISH to do that though. What a JERK he was. I mean really.

He didn't want to have any tip. If he would have, he would have given us 2 quarters(shorted himself only 19 cents and he couldn't do that the SELFISH JERK).

So NO, there's other ways he could have tried to show us that he didn't want to steal and act so entitled.

After I had asked for our coins back, he should have given us over the amount to show how horrible that was to do that to us to STEAL.

HOW can you say give people slack that INTENTIONAL did something as so horrible as to STEAL from you? Maybe you should go with Winona Ryder, because you are all into thinking it's OK to steal kind of thing. I don't care if it's just a penny, theft is theft.

As I said before, he could have forfeited 19 cents of his own money and was TOO SELFISH to try to make-up for it, so I made DARN SURE he got NOTHING at all and A REPORT to the manager.

What is wrong with this world of you entitled service industry workers? I don't understand how you can say I should give someone slack that did a CRIME? This wasn't a mistake like he INTENTIONALLY didn't give us back the change. I don't care what his way of thinking was, it wasn't *HIS* money to TIP with. TIPPING is a thing a CUSTOMER does, NOT the WORKER. A tip is also *EARNED* by doing the WORK of getting change. He was just a SELFISH JERK! I won't give money to anyone that steals. I don't care if it was a penny owed, if they do that, they deserve to go to jail for it just like EVERYONE ELSE that steals in this world. Stealing is wrong, morally and legally.

[CFrance]

Good for your wife......she understands life isn't perfect. You must drive her crazy.
I wouldn't eat out with a person like that. Too much entitlement/me,me,me and not enough humility. But then I wouldn't be hooked up with someone of that sort either.

[CFrance]

This rankles me, to be honest. The cleaning service we use charges $75 for our two-bedroom place. They send 2 people who are done in about an hour. I know those 2 women are only getting a small percentage of my $75, but feeling obliged to throw in an additional $10 tip irks me. I do it, but I feel kind of ripped off since I think cleaning service fees are outrageous as they are.

And what about someone is works for her- or himself? Their prices are generally lower and it takes them longer, but if they want more money they should increase their fees instead of relying on me to beef up their income out of the goodness of my heart. I don't tip anyone who is self-employed. (Same goes for those who drive people to the airport in their own cars. No tip for you! I do tip the shuttle drivers.)
My cleaning person works for herself and charges more than yours but much less than the crew we had that worked for a business. And she does a better job. I don't tip her because she keeps the full amount. Actually, I will no longer use a cleaning business for the reasons you gave. Plus there is a high turnover rate, and you rarely get the same people.

[CFrance]

Actually often times the SERVERS are the reasons for the problems GETTING to our table. You are there to make sure *BEFORE* you hand us something there's no OBVIOUS ERRORS such as wrong side dish, missing sides of condiments, wrong prices, bartender didn't put salt on the rim but bring it to me anyway my margarita when I ordered it with salt and you took my order, etc.

Most of the issues HONESTLY are because servers JUST DON'T CARE! They are TOO LAZY to even WRITE DOWN things you ask for and then forget them, then most of the time not even say they are sorry even in most cases.

I have had a waitress once where there was a dollar difference in a price on me and my husband's check. Instead of just going to get her manager to fix it, she was trying to out of it saying "Oh the newer menus aren't out yet" it's like I wanted to say to her "What if someone took YOUR DOLLAR from EVERY TIP YOU MADE at EVERY TABLE, HOW YOU'D FEEL THEN?" I didn't tell her that, but I did tell her about if she was at a store, would she not say anything if the price didn't ring up correctly when she went to the register to check out? I mean really, servers are SO SELFISH today in most cases. They can't even think about WE ARE PEOPLE TOO and OUR MONEY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT as theirs is. It is her fault since she can compare the menu prices to the check prices PRIOR to handing us the check and when she would have found the problem she would have gotten her manager to fix it BEFORE she gave us the check, so yeah, it was 100% HER DOING, NOT anyone else's doing since she was the LAST PERSON to see the problem that she could see it. This isn't something like an undercooked steak, this is the difference between $3.99(this was a cup of queso at a mexican restaurant) and on our check was $4.99 when we ordered it as it exactly came off the menu with no modifications to it. We have tipped 25%-30% and upwards as well as stiffed servers, because it all depends on the service. Because of the lazy and uncaring way she handled the issue from the start just by not even TRYING to catch it, then REFUSING to fix it, then not apologizing, she got stiffed over a dollar overcharge. She should have tried to catch this issue. That was only our second visit and didn't order that item the 1st time there, so she had MUCH MORE TIME than us no matter what. It was very slow like 11a.m. on a Saturday lunch, not 8p.m. on a Saturday night either.

If I don't have utensils when I am served food(btw that waitress did just that, so we had nothing to eat with when we were served food.) That's a server issue. Refills forgotten server issue. Bags, boxes, containers for condiments missing server issue when most servers don't write things down that they should be, because they are TOO LAZY to. Also, the servers that you want to give them a list of things at the end like boxes, bags, etc. they walk away so you can't even tell them everything, because they are TOO LAZY TO WRITE DOWN A LIST. It's like they'd RATHER be ran.

There are times servers put in orders wrong, forget to put in orders, bring you out the completely wrong item, etc.

Especially when another server runs the food, 99.99999% of the time, that other server doesn't give a CARE AT ALL about anything since it's not their table, they didn't read the ticket, they don't offer to fix the mistake, they don't offer you refills or anything else, etc.

In general today, in a good 70% of cases, service just sucks. There's not a whole lot of hard worker servers that actually "CARE" about people. It's like they think about the money, but don't realize how they are treating us will GREATLY effect their money.

Most issues come to the customers because of lazy and uncaring servers. THAT IS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH and you know it!
No, I don't know it. We rarely--and I DO MEAN RARELY, (caps in keeping with the style of the post)--have those kinds of issues with servers.

If I were that upset with servers and had problems with 70% of them, I would start to look inward for the cause and/or choose to cook at home.

[Polar Bear]

...If I were that upset with servers and had problems with 70% of them, I would start to look inward...
Heh. I was thinking the exact same thing even before I read your reply.

[Springs1]

Unless you were planning on entirely stiffing him on a tip, he essentially pre-collected the first 31 cents if his tip when he brought back the change. There are a lot of things that I have worried about in my life but 31 cents was never one of them.

That's the point, that he *PRE-COLLECTED* **********SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY*****************!! You can't do that LEGALLY! He wasn't tipping, *WE* were though.


I am not worried about 31 cents that he could have had it, but the fact that he ***********STOLE*************** it is my issue. I don't care if it was only a penny, theft is theft. He should have been arrested and fired for stealing. I can't grab even a penny out of a register at a store without being thrown out at the very least, isn't that correct? If you agree with me, then WHY you can't see it's THEFT?

It's not about the "amount" of money, it's about *WHAT* he chose to do.

He would have had the 31 cents most likely, but for him to take it without asking first, that's a no-no. That's theft. Stealing is stealing. I can't go into someone's purse and grab a nickle, can I? Well, I am waiting..... If one person can't steal, why can the other just because the person makes tips?

It's not about the "cents" that I wanted back, it was about that he STOLE it WITHOUT our consent.

Do you understand I didn't care about the cents? Do you understand that he TOOK something that wasn't his? THAT is why he got stiffed. He STOLE. When you steal, you should go to jail just like EVERYONE ELSE that steals.

[Springs1]

No, I don't know it. We rarely--and I DO MEAN RARELY, (caps in keeping with the style of the post)--have those kinds of issues with servers.

If I were that upset with servers and had problems with 70% of them, I would start to look inward for the cause and/or choose to cook at home.

You don't eat out much then obviously. We have these issues VERY OFTEN! You must not ask for much and that's why you don't have these issues. I ask for A LOT of things.

[Springs1]

Heh. I was thinking the exact same thing even before I read your reply.

WHY? It's not my fault the servers of today are mostly lazy and uncaring people. I can't make them write my order down no matter how much I ask nicely for them to do it. I can't make them stay put so I can tell them my list before they rush off(I would like a box, bag, containers for my condiments, a to-go coke, and the check). Some walk off before I can get through the list.

[CFrance]

You don't eat out much then obviously. We have these issues VERY OFTEN! You must not ask for much and that's why you don't have these issues. I ask for A LOT of things.
We eat out all the time. We travel extensively. If you're polite to your server, you get back what you give.

I ask mostly for what is on the menu. I don't ask for the menu to be rearranged for my "special" needs or ask for things that aren't on the menu, especially when the place is busy. I don't feel I am entitled to walk into a restaurant and start changing around their menu or the way they do things.

I can't even remember the last time we had a problem with a server. We don't raise our voices or talk in all caps.

[JSR22]

No, I don't know it. We rarely--and I DO MEAN RARELY, (caps in keeping with the style of the post)--have those kinds of issues with servers.

If I were that upset with servers and had problems with 70% of them, I would start to look inward for the cause and/or choose to cook at home.

We eat out 4 to 5 nights a week. We have never had very bad service. We have had slow service but it was caused by the kitchen. We do not eat in the chains. Always tip a minimum of 20%. We are happy with the service in The Villages. Would like additional better places. Hoping the new Katie Belles is more upscale. It would be great to have a nice dinner before going to The Sharon.

[Polar Bear]

..We have these issues VERY OFTEN! You must not ask for much and that's why you don't have these issues. I ask for A LOT of things.

You must be very proud. At least you sound that way.

[DonH57]

We eat out a lot here in the villages and have very seldom had problems with servers attitudes, bad food, or missing utensils or condiments. It's been our experience when the occasional slip up did occur was when servers were trying cover too many tables due to missing coworkers and the place was packed, which is management's responsibility.

[Springs1]

If you're polite to your server, you get back what you give.

We are polite to our servers. In fact, we are nicer in most cases than they are. Like a lot of them will not say they are sorry when they mess up even when they realize it when we haven't even told them about the issue that they realize "Oh yeah you ordered sucn-n-such" and instead of saying they are sorry, they don't, but we still say "thank you." What does that tell you? That says that we were the nicer people in those situations.

I ask mostly for what is on the menu. I don't ask for the menu to be rearranged for my "special" needs or ask for things that aren't on the menu, especially when the place is busy. I don't feel I am entitled to walk into a restaurant and start changing around their menu or the way they do things.


Everyone is entitled to change anything since they are *PAYING* the for the *SERVICE* called a *TIP*. Why are we tipping then if we can't order the way we want to?

Also, you are paying for the food, why can't you have it the way "YOU" want it? Shouldn't everyone be entitled to have what "they" want for "their" money?"

I don't care if it's busy or not, I worked hard for my money to spend it *HOW* I want it to be spent. I am entitled, because my *TIP* makes me entitled to get things how "I" want it. My tip is entitling me to order in the way I want it. WHY? Because legally I don't have to tip in a party of 2, so they are at our mercy if they want our money to follow exact instructions as given. That's what orders are, a set of instructions.

Why do you feel like you aren't entitled when you are paying a tip? I don't understand that? WHY pay a tip if you can't get things how you want it? What's the point of the tip then? WHY pay them a tip if you can't get what you want out of the service considering it's not mandatory to tip(not including of course automatic gratuity in large parties)?

If you are paying the server to do a job, you are like their "boss" since they are asking you how you want your service(how you want your food, what you want to order, how you want your steak or burger cooked, etc.).

I can't even remember the last time we had a problem with a server.

That's because you don't ask for a lot and you aren't watching if they are cutting or not as well. I do. Also, do you check every price on your check to make sure it matches the menu? If you don't, you don't know if you were overcharged or not, do you? If you don't watch your server, you don't know if they are cutting or not in front of your turn, do you?

We don't raise our voices or talk in all caps.

We don't raise our voices either, we are very nice. As I said before, we are NICER than they are. Also, who cares if it's busy or not, it's your money, you should be able to get what you want for it.

[JSR22]

WHY? It's not my fault the servers of today are mostly lazy and uncaring people. I can't make them write my order down no matter how much I ask nicely for them to do it. I can't make them stay put so I can tell them my list before they rush off(I would like a box, bag, containers for my condiments, a to-go coke, and the check). Some walk off before I can get through the list.

What condiments are you putting in a box? I don't think I have ever taken a condiment home.

[Springs1]

We eat out a lot here in the villages and have very seldom had problems with servers attitudes, bad food, or missing utensils or condiments. It's been our experience when the occasional slip up did occur was when servers were trying cover too many tables due to missing coworkers and the place was packed, which is management's responsibility.

It's not the management's responsibility to go in order of TURNS. That means if you were seated first, you should have gotten your utensils or whatever you asked for first that the server can control getting to you first.

I just went to a restaurant that we had just gotten some drinks and an appetizer. It wasn't busy, slow Thursday afternoon(I had some vacation days to take before they went away). I ordered one of the margaritas on the menu with salt on the rocks. Our waitress brings it clearly without salt. So I tell her nicely. She doesn't say she's sorry. First off, any "CARING" human being would have compared her written order to the glass and told the bartender to fix the issue, NOT brought it to me wrong. Let's say she just missed it, a decent human being would have said they were sorry.

Do you see where I am coming from and that's just one issue that was minor, but she could have been NICE about it not only to have PREVENT it to being with by being CARING to check her written order with the drink since that's all she had to get(someone else got the other drink orders(2 soft drinks when we got seated) apparently they got the host to help out before our server was able to get to us(maybe she was with another customer at the time). So she couldn't even get ONE drink order to the table OBVIOUSLY correctly. It was her fault 100% she brought the glass without the salt on the rim, NOT the bartender. She's not blind or illiterate.

A nice person would have said they were sorry.

That's just one example of servers that aren't nice these days.

Another time years ago, my husband's baked potato our waitress forgot to bring out when she brought out our food(she had already brought out my condiments ahead of time). My husband nicely told her. She looks at the ticket on the tray and leaves. My jaw almost dropped like "No sorry" I thought in my head, NOTHING. She didn't even say she was sorry when she brought it. I don't know if she did 2 mistakes like didn't put in the order for it to begin with(this was an additional side dish added to the item my husband ordered) or she just forgot to bring it from the kitchen). Even after she brought it out, she STILL didn't say she was sorry. That's just SOOO MEAN. My husband still said "thank you" though.

Look how mean servers are. They are mean. I can't imagine not saying I am sorry. I worked at a donut shop in 1998-2002 off and on a little over 2yrs worth altogether and I apologized to people in DRIVE-THRU that didn't even tip me when I messed up. That's how NICE I am .

When I forget to ask my server for something I apologize, why can't they do the same in most cases?

We have had servers blame the kitchen for obvious errors, etc.

We rarely have the good service you seem to say you have. Although I may have higher standards of what good service is to me than you accept. I want my server to say they are sorry when they mess up. I want them to be caring enough to LOOK at what they are bringing me BEFORE they bring it to me for anything obvious that is wrong to "CARE" about wasting my time bringing me something obviously wrong. That's how service should be.

[Jima64]

Wow this thread has gotten so intense.

[Springs1]

What condiments are you putting in a box? I don't think I have ever taken a condiment home.

All kind of condiments, mayo, mustard, ranch, honey mustard, tartar sauce, bbq sauce, etc.

[Springs1]

I don't think I have ever taken a condiment home.

Why not, most of the time they are FREE? I mean we have taken home bread, chips n' salsa that were free etc., even OFFERED bread to take home at places like Outback. It's free food, WHY NOT? I use the leftover condiments to eat the rest of my food that I take home and if I have any leftover I use it for other foods like salads or something to dip in.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

I agree with you that a lot of the servers around here need to be replaced. Too many times the problem is not the food but the servers fault. There are some great servers here that are polite and make sure everything is great. But there are those that just do not care. Those servers deserve minimal at best tips. Managers are also at fault for hiring these people and not checking with the patrons on how the food and service was.
My wife and I owned a caf� for several years and we would not tolerate an employee not providing good service.
A note to the managers...DO YOUR JOB!!

[Springs1]

But there are those that just do not care.

I am getting a lot of those at times. I am finding more and more don't care. For example, had this happen a few times at different restaurants with different servers where I tell them I'd like my bacon crispy, had the server say "Oh it's crispy", so I get the bacon, it's not crispy. It's laziness, like some are SO LAZY they don't even want to put in the computer "crispy", because it's an extra step and HOPE I don't send it back, but I send it back in most cases, so they have double the work. It's like they HOPE to do the LEAST for their money. I had one waitress that said they filled the mayos all the way(usually in most restaurants they don't, but since this was my first time at this restaurant I believed her). Another server runs the food, out of the 3 sides of mayo I asked for, I had not even one container worth for real, like each container had a dab of mayo in it. I was so ****ed. I wasn't mad at the kitchen staff or the person that ran the food, I was ****ed at my server for LYING to me to get out of putting it into the computer. She knew she was lying. If she cared honestly, she would have asked if it was ok to bring the mayos out ahead of time and made sure WELL BEFORE the food came out I had my mayos FILLED. Servers are LYING to get out of doing work, it's just pitiful. It's ridiculous how LAZY the world of servers are getting. It's like they want the tip(at least 20%), but don't want to *WORK* for it. It's like they just don't want to do WORK. They want the 20% to stand there and look pretty. Maybe they are in the wrong career, they should take up modeling instead if they don't want to do anything for their money. The person that ran the food should have not brought it out that way in the first place since honestly the customer should have had more than that, I wouldn't have served that, but since that waitress that ran the food didn't know my personal order since our waitress was too lazy to put it in correctly, I have to put fault entirely on our waitress since she could have brought the mayos out ahead of time regardless of who brought me my food and she didn't put in the order right by telling me they fill them. If they filled them, I would have had them at least half-way filled, none of the containers were even half-way filled even. It's like for sure she just wrote me off because I asked for too much. They are just TOO LAZY to want to serve. I tip 25%-30% and more to good servers for the extra work, but they don't know that if it's my first time at the restaurant, do they? The thing is, they should act like they could get that if they tried their best, but they are too lazy to do so. They don't want to do all of that work. They just write me off and that hurts my feelings. It's like WHY are you HERE as a server if you don't want to *WORK* for your money? Why not go work at a Walmart as a cashier if you don't want to work hard as you can for your customers?

[DonH57]

It's not the management's responsibility to go in order of TURNS. That means if you were seated first, you should have gotten your utensils or whatever you asked for first that the server can control getting to you first.

I just went to a restaurant that we had just gotten some drinks and an appetizer. It wasn't busy, slow Thursday afternoon(I had some vacation days to take before they went away). I ordered one of the margaritas on the menu with salt on the rocks. Our waitress brings it clearly without salt. So I tell her nicely. She doesn't say she's sorry. First off, any "CARING" human being would have compared her written order to the glass and told the bartender to fix the issue, NOT brought it to me wrong. Let's say she just missed it, a decent human being would have said they were sorry.

Do you see where I am coming from and that's just one issue that was minor, but she could have been NICE about it not only to have PREVENT it to being with by being CARING to check her written order with the drink since that's all she had to get(someone else got the other drink orders(2 soft drinks when we got seated) apparently they got the host to help out before our server was able to get to us(maybe she was with another customer at the time). So she couldn't even get ONE drink order to the table OBVIOUSLY correctly. It was her fault 100% she brought the glass without the salt on the rim, NOT the bartender. She's not blind or illiterate.

A nice person would have said they were sorry.

That's just one example of servers that aren't nice these days.

Another time years ago, my husband's baked potato our waitress forgot to bring out when she brought out our food(she had already brought out my condiments ahead of time). My husband nicely told her. She looks at the ticket on the tray and leaves. My jaw almost dropped like "No sorry" I thought in my head, NOTHING. She didn't even say she was sorry when she brought it. I don't know if she did 2 mistakes like didn't put in the order for it to begin with(this was an additional side dish added to the item my husband ordered) or she just forgot to bring it from the kitchen). Even after she brought it out, she STILL didn't say she was sorry. That's just SOOO MEAN. My husband still said "thank you" though.

Look how mean servers are. They are mean. I can't imagine not saying I am sorry. I worked at a donut shop in 1998-2002 off and on a little over 2yrs worth altogether and I apologized to people in DRIVE-THRU that didn't even tip me when I messed up. That's how NICE I am .

When I forget to ask my server for something I apologize, why can't they do the same in most cases?

We have had servers blame the kitchen for obvious errors, etc.

We rarely have the good service you seem to say you have. Although I may have higher standards of what good service is to me than you accept. I want my server to say they are sorry when they mess up. I want them to be caring enough to LOOK at what they are bringing me BEFORE they bring it to me for anything obvious that is wrong to "CARE" about wasting my time bringing me something obviously wrong. That's how service should be.

Well. I never stated I've had 100 percent perfect service and sorry You've had bad experiences. Since you seem to know every thing about me and my levels of expected service have a good day and happy meals.:D

[Springs1]

Well. I never stated I've had 100 percent perfect service and sorry You've had bad experiences. Since you seem to know every thing about me and my levels of expected service have a good day and happy meals.:D

No I don't know your levels of expected service, but you seem to not have high levels the way you write. I, on the other hand, expect a hard, caring worker. Why go into the restaurant things will go wrong? Why go then if you think it will be bad? I try to hope for good service, but it doesn't always turn out that way. In fact, it's rare to have really good service. I may have acceptable service, but really good service seems to be rare these days.

[dbussone]

Wow this thread has gotten so intense.

I'm not sure intense is accurate enough, but someone sure has a burr under his saddle. If he/she speaks to wait staff the way he speaks to other posters, it is fairly easy to understand the reaction he elicits from them.

[Springs1]

I'm not sure intense is accurate enough, but someone sure has a burr under his saddle. If he/she speaks to wait staff the way he speaks to other posters, it is fairly easy to understand the reaction he elicits from them.

I don't speak to them like that. It's frustrating when you keep having servers be mean and uncaring when they serve you is all.

[Barefoot]

I am getting a lot of those at times. I am finding more and more don't care. For example, had this happen a few times at different restaurants with different servers where I tell them I'd like my bacon crispy, had the server say "Oh it's crispy", so I get the bacon, it's not crispy. It's laziness, like some are SO LAZY they don't even want to put in the computer "crispy", because it's an extra step and HOPE I don't send it back, but I send it back in most cases, so they have double the work. It's like they HOPE to do the LEAST for their money. I had one waitress that said they filled the mayos all the way(usually in most restaurants they don't, but since this was my first time at this restaurant I believed her). Another server runs the food, out of the 3 sides of mayo I asked for, I had not even one container worth for real, like each container had a dab of mayo in it. I was so ****ed. I wasn't mad at the kitchen staff or the person that ran the food, I was ****ed at my server for LYING to me to get out of putting it into the computer. She knew she was lying. If she cared honestly, she would have asked if it was ok to bring the mayos out ahead of time and made sure WELL BEFORE the food came out I had my mayos FILLED. Servers are LYING to get out of doing work, it's just pitiful. It's ridiculous how LAZY the world of servers are getting. It's like they want the tip(at least 20%), but don't want to *WORK* for it. It's like they just don't want to do WORK. They want the 20% to stand there and look pretty. Maybe they are in the wrong career, they should take up modeling instead if they don't want to do anything for their money. The person that ran the food should have not brought it out that way in the first place since honestly the customer should have had more than that, I wouldn't have served that, but since that waitress that ran the food didn't know my personal order since our waitress was too lazy to put it in correctly, I have to put fault entirely on our waitress since she could have brought the mayos out ahead of time regardless of who brought me my food and she didn't put in the order right by telling me they fill them. If they filled them, I would have had them at least half-way filled, none of the containers were even half-way filled even. It's like for sure she just wrote me off because I asked for too much. They are just TOO LAZY to want to serve. I tip 25%-30% and more to good servers for the extra work, but they don't know that if it's my first time at the restaurant, do they? The thing is, they should act like they could get that if they tried their best, but they are too lazy to do so. They don't want to do all of that work. They just write me off and that hurts my feelings. It's like WHY are you HERE as a server if you don't want to *WORK* for your money? Why not go work at a Walmart as a cashier if you don't want to work hard as you can for your customers?
I just read all your posts. I think you're spoofing us. :posting:

[dbussone]

I don't speak to them like that. It's frustrating when you keep having servers be mean and uncaring when they serve you is all.

It does bother me that you are frustrated and feel put upon. I wonder though if wait staff are picking up some mannerism that signals your frustration. And you may not even realize it. In all seriousness, and I say this with every good intention, please go back and read your posts. I can see frustration in them, and even anger. I realize that we are not speaking face to face so I may be misinterpreting your intent. But that is what comes through to me, honestly.

[dbussone]

I just read all your posts. I think you're spoofing us. :posting:

Well I have my suspicion as well, but I'll give her the benefit of doubt for awhile

[Polar Bear]

It does bother me that you are frustrated and feel put upon. I wonder though if wait staff are picking up some mannerism that signals your frustration. And you may not even realize it. In all seriousness, and I say this with every good intention, please go back and read your posts. I can see frustration in them, and even anger. I realize that we are not speaking face to face so I may be misinterpreting your intent. But that is what comes through to me, honestly.

I second these thoughts.

I also think the spoofing theory (aka trolling) is a possibility.

[DonH57]

I just read all your posts. I think you're spoofing us. :posting:

I just did as well. :22yikes:

[Springs1]

I second these thoughts.

I also think the spoofing theory (aka trolling) is a possibility.

I am not trolling. This is all REAL!

[tuccillo]

I have been given more change, on numerous occasions, because if was more convenient to do so. For example, I am owed $4.81 and I am given a $5.00 bill. Everyone knows what is going on, it is a matter of convenience for a negligible amount of money. I don't sweat the small stuff in life and most of time it is small stuff.

That's the point, that he *PRE-COLLECTED* **********SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY*****************!! You can't do that LEGALLY! He wasn't tipping, *WE* were though.


I am not worried about 31 cents that he could have had it, but the fact that he ***********STOLE*************** it is my issue. I don't care if it was only a penny, theft is theft. He should have been arrested and fired for stealing. I can't grab even a penny out of a register at a store without being thrown out at the very least, isn't that correct? If you agree with me, then WHY you can't see it's THEFT?

It's not about the "amount" of money, it's about *WHAT* he chose to do.

He would have had the 31 cents most likely, but for him to take it without asking first, that's a no-no. That's theft. Stealing is stealing. I can't go into someone's purse and grab a nickle, can I? Well, I am waiting..... If one person can't steal, why can the other just because the person makes tips?

It's not about the "cents" that I wanted back, it was about that he STOLE it WITHOUT our consent.

Do you understand I didn't care about the cents? Do you understand that he TOOK something that wasn't his? THAT is why he got stiffed. He STOLE. When you steal, you should go to jail just like EVERYONE ELSE that steals.

[Springs1]

I have been given more change, on numerous occasions, because if was more convenient to do so. For example, I am owed $4.81 and I am given a $5.00 bill. Everyone knows what is going on, it is a matter of convenience for a negligible amount of money. I don't sweat the small stuff in life and most of time it is small stuff.

But what you are saying is *OVER* the amount. I WAS *********************SHORTED********************** *******************! You are talking about 100% TOTAL OPPOSITE*********** of my complaint. Did you even READ what I talked about, huh?

Over, then that's the server shorting themselves, because whatever they owe the restaurant at the end of the shift is whatever it is, so if they give over, they are shorting themselves as servers, not the restaurant if they give OVER the amount.

What I am talking about is STEALING from the customer which is not giving over the amount of change, is it? It's not small stuff when you are talking about theft.

I would like you to go to a store and when the cashier opens her draw try to take a dime or a nickle. See if you don't get thrown out or even arrested. WATCH, YOU WILL SEE how it's THEFT NO MATTER *WHAT* the amount is.

I would like you to in front of a police officer in a fast food line grab someone's change from their hand. Let's see if you don't get arrested.

Overage, that's the server's money, so if they want to be lazy and generous, that's them, but that's not what my complaint is. Did you even *READ* my post. My change owed was $5.31, our waiter shorted the change by 31 cents. He STOLE on PURPOSE since it was NO MISTAKE. It's not like he's going to miss 3 coins and it really be a "REAL HONEST" that he just MISSED things. Also, as I have stated on my original post, I can count on ONE hand how many times I have had exact amounts with no cents on our check. It RARELY happens that you have exactly $34.00 on the check, usually there's some cents in there. Our check was $34.69. We were owed our change.

WHY do you feel because the server makes tips they have rights to *********TIP THEMSELVES YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY by STEALING?

It's NO "SMALL" stuff when you steal. It's the *PRINCIPLE* of it, NOT the amount. Do you even get it? If he had stolen a penny, I would have still stiffed him for stealing. WHY? Its' STEALING TIPPING HIMSELF.

WHY because you are at a grocery store or Walmart or wherever you get your change without having to ask for it, but because someone makes tips, for some unknown reason that you should have to ask for that doesn't make ANY LOGICAL SENSE, because someone's change is just that, NO MATTER if it's a tipped position the worker is working or not, doesn't play into getting someone's change. The server's job is not to "TIP THEMSELVES" with YOUR MONEY.

Shorting is THEFT, NO MATTER if it's only a penny. Stealing is not "SMALL STUFF", no matter what you say about it, it's not.

If I take from a child out of their hands a piece of candy you put a quarter in the machine for them to get, how can you say that's not theft? Hey, it's small stuff to you, so should you care? Maybe you wouldn't, but I care if someone steals. I grew up with MORALS, obviously you didn't and don't understand that I NEVER ONCE was talking about the server giving OVER the amount. My issue was that the SHORTED us OUR MONEY, that's right, ********OUR MONEY*************!

Also, you said it was more convenient, because it's them being too lazy to do their job. If they are doing it in hopes to get a bigger tip by being generous, then that's fine, but honestly it's probably more about laziness.

The thing is, I am not talking about giving more change, I am talking about they gave me LESS change than what I was owed. He STOLE our 31 cents and I had to ask to get it back. NO customer should have to ask for their change PERIOD, don't matter if it's a penny even, it's not their change to take. The server isn't supposed to tip themselves with someone else's money. The tip is the CUSTOMER'S DECISION ONLY!

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Springs - go back and read all your posts

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Springs - go back and read all your posts
That would take days.